When To Check Top Pair AND A Flush Draw

[@CrushlivePoker]

Would it ever cross your mind to check/raise flop with the intent of folding out better top pairs?

[@davidsilverberg5077]

No, like the caller said....players will call down with top pair all day...I don’t think you’re ever getting a better hand to fold

[@williamwallace3848]

Would it ever cross my mind to check/raise the flop, folding out hands I'm ahead of including weaker flush draws .... while at the same time building a bigger pot for hands I'm losing to all while I am out of position ?

[@Eouseauctioneering]

This poor guy is trying to sound so good and it’s just not working out

[@chadjohnson6718]

Bart I really wish you would help these players learn by calling them on some of their bullshit. You don’t have to be mean about it but when this clueless player says things like “I am checking almost 100% of my range” on the river you should really stop him. Then you can say something along the lines of “You don’t even know if you are betting for value or bluff on the flop and river, you definitely aren’t playing your ranges in any consistent ways in these spots, you need to go back and learn the basics before thinking about playing your ranges. It really is amazing to me how many clueless players call in and spew all this big words. I knew this call would be like this the second he opened his mouth with the absolute statements on “X player would never do this” etc.

[@nicks210684]

@@williamwallace3848 lol. Yeah when he talked about getting lower flush draws to fold that was comedy.

[@eetuhalonen9902]

"Players call down with top pair in this game so I´m going to check raise bluff to try to get KJ and KQ to fold". Solid logic right there

[@bigb1209]

Lol. Need to find this guy.

[@Gos1234567]

Seems like it’s back to “today’s wacky caller” 😂🤣

[@nicks210684]

I wouldn’t fold KQ/KJ to a checkraise tbh. It just seems like it would be a flush draw. No way AK/33/66 checks this flop and risks it checking around. So what are you scared of? The one remaining combo of KK and perhaps AKss for two combos. Never folding.

[@KurreKlyyvarsson]

min click back on turn see what he would do 🔥🔥🔥

[@dreeszutphen8930]

Check raise bluff with TPMK and second nut flush?

[@SeanBenson23]

Bart’s response to the caller about how you could just check-raise every time if that were the case is super nice and also makes a great point which I think the caller understands now

[@bigb1209]

Saw a guy do this at the circuit, checked top pair and second nut flush draw, guy made a gutshot nut straight on river and jammed and dude called him with just top pair.

[@harperlee6383]

He said that the bad players were raising big and the good players raising to $20 roughly. Based on his thinking, he should be raising big as part of the bad player pool

[@pappav77]

Your breakdowns and analysis are on point! The only criticism is that you are making better poker players 😂

[@pokerqAK47]

99% don’t learn

[@Moneyovertruth]

This is a typical low stakes live players thoughts.... and they say poker is dead lol

[@grumblez]

"The good players are rasing for 20" is possibly the dumbest statement I've heard on one of these.

[@juwonlee777]

That is exactly what i was thinking hahahhah

[@chadjohnson6718]

Didnt you know the good players always bet the same amount? It’s always the most trash players that try to profile other players at the table and assume they do things they see consistently.

[@grumblez]

@@chadjohnson6718 only bad players size preflop to what people are calling for max value

[@jmaessoan1]

Real talk Gs

[@razcue1]

That's fair :)

[@SFreedberg1]

OMG I have to get back to the tables. A min click back in a live game to see what he would do! Interesting and I don't mean interesting good.

[@nathankyamsmith2333]

I played at this game for years. It was in Phoenix, and Marco, the caller, wasn’t too good of a player. However, he ended up winning 10’s of thousands at this game, because he inserted marked decks into the game (UV marked and he wore glasses). The dealer one night mentioned to the host that they needed new decks and Marco just happened to have a couple identical decks in his car, so he sold them to the host. Over the next 6-8 weeks, he proceeded to have zero losing sessions playing 3-4 times a week, while absolutely demolishing. Prior to this, I had been the biggest winner in that game, and he started winning monster pots against me, but losing none, (such as calling down with bottom pair in 3 bet pots and calling 3 streets with things like K high.) I eventually ordered UV glasses myself (after he refused to let me see them one night), and the host and I caught him. Over that 6 weeks I probably lost 30k to him. I lost the most by far, because I’d be beating everyone else and then he’d take it all in one hand. This hand likely happened before the cheating, because obviously he always knew what cards people had once his decks were in play. He’s a garbage human being, but we let him off Scott free simply because we had no legal way of recouping the money, and this was a game with good friends and people with successful careers playing, so we didn’t want to risk any backlash. But he completely screwed me and others, and put my poker bankroll in the gutter. If you see him at any game, I highly recommend having him removed from the casino/game.

[@SoSo-li6dn]

UV detecting glasses are not a thing, but cameras are a thing, however this dont work if you are inside, they only work in sunlight,.

[@maximp629]

- There is a big fish at the table who raise JTo on MP. Cant wait to get all ma money in on the flop. I checked to check-raise to make KJ fold On the turn i thought to 4bet min-raise and donk the river if 10 comes - What was your name? Marco right? Marco, the problem is, there are no fishes at the table but you

[@Daniel-fo9jf]

4-bet? You mean 3-bet?

[@arminlangenscheidt6139]

Hey Bart, thank you for the process of think through portion of Range and what to accomplish on Flop. By the way - what is the title of the new intro theme?

[@garyhashimoto5915]

Flawed logic from this dude haha

[@BigDaddyGee85]

the min click back thing on the turn got me cracked up 😂

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

Check/raising flop in this spot is more of a tournament play. Our hand isn’t nutted enough to play traps. Maybe merit to trap flop vs 1 opponent but not vs 3.

[@Badbentham]

Probably not exclusively; main factor would be the SPR. Means: Hero is way too deep to make this play; if he were short-stack, though, it would certainly be a consideration. - As in "Top-Pair= Nuts = Jam" .

[@daveythehand4964]

Dude had quads. Pocket 3’s. Mucking quads after winning is so G

[@iamawuss]

LoL ThiS GuyY is The WERSTTT!!!! WherE do I finD HimMmmm!??!?! I am a PROOO!!!!!

[@mattfox5933]

Check raises gone wrong suck cause u end up missing a piece of the puzzle on the river ....

[@pdxshredder6883]

So what hands are you calling with in that spot? Just the two combos of A3s?

[@nicks210684]

I guess it depends how many hands you’re opening from UTG, checking flop with and then bet-calling turn.

[@Steve-eb8jc]

Don’t need to worry about balancing against bad players, especially in multi-way pots

[@daniellowery2032]

So many logic flaws with this caller

[@daniellowery2032]

Did have all the good buzzwords/phrases tho lol

[@joshuanobles9431]

This one is pretty funny because as played the hero didn't make any real mistakes, and probably lost about the minimum. His thoughts about what to do different are.... questionable at best however

[@Gos1234567]

@@joshuanobles9431 flop was a mistake cmon

[@nicks210684]

@@Gos1234567I could see checking the flop with the intention of check-calling? Obviously check-raising is bad but since it gets checked round in this case the result would be the same.

[@Gos1234567]

@@nicks210684 check call why? Some sort of balance thing?

[@james_robnett]

I'd bet quite a bit he had a3, maybe he had 45 (o or s) but the later bluffs hero described make him sound semi aggressive and I'd be surprised if he'd check the flop with a open ender or flush draw from late position but probably would check bottom pair. Waking up on the turn and then continuing on the river sure looks like 3x and probably either a3 or 43.

[@MilesDavisPoker]

where's this game? Put me on the list

[@lakerfan1855]

Checks flop. Wants to re-raise turn. Just your typical clueless live player.

[@Azar1571]

Why not min click back the river?

[@pot_kivach160]

I see why H called for help. He played hand poorly, and could not figured what’s the right play. Unfortunately, i do not think he was able to learn that from this video. So, unless someone explain to that him, he would be still good to play against. 😂. . V could have it both ways. Based on the entire hand context (I think) he was bluffing. R1: All necessary conditions for bluff were in place. R2: V checked flop back?? (A strong hand does not do that against 3 opponents with 2 suited cards on board). I’d call his bluff on river without blink of an eye.

[@lukethompson5227]

He had A3cc for bottom pair, back door f draw and got lucky on the turn.

[@paulhamilton5420]

Interesting strategy to apply

[@ruby4834]

Great video! What's the intro song though?

[@percyblok6014]

If I flop top with second best flush on the come, BET flop every time. Gotta build a pot. Rep the king is good and if flush hits with only one more spade, most players probably not going to put you on a flush. Pretty straight forward poker play is the way here. Thinking this villain was made with second 3.

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

If the Fish raising to 65 with crap hands and getting called, then why are the good players only making it 20?

[@cj7139]

Top pair with a flush draw is the most misplayed/overplayed type of hand. People think they should play it aggressively for no logical reason.

[@Samscoinsandheavymetal]

20s standard for the good players ... hero raises to 20. Well then I guess he’s a good player Wants to get as much money in against 78 spades - He “leads out” on the turn (once again someone not using a term correctly... but he raised to $20 pre, so he’s one of the “good players”). Min click back 3b on the turn which would only get called or jammed by better . Wait ... he’s one of the good players . Shit I’m sorry, I forgot Beginning of the call hero declared the good players raise to $20 pre and the fish raise to 60-70$ pre with “all kinds of junk like JT o”. But then at the end hero says it’s only his 2nd orbit - wow what a rapid analysis of how the table plays and who’s the fish less than 2 orbits in . Hero must be a GREAT player, not a GOOD player And I never see people flat AK pre so that’s simply out of the question ... right ? GG then .. Hero wins Next call PS Bart, stop being such a nice guy... you wouldn’t lean towards a fold on the river you would snap fold given the action... you didn’t want to humiliate the guy any more after correcting his thought process a half dozen times along the way Heck, He’s one of the GOOD players and shouldn’t have even made this call. He doesn’t need your crummy advice 😆

[@windy619]

He had A3 or 45. All day. Maybe even 34s if he likes thin value.

[@zeekus2222]

Poker isn't dead =)

[@traviscoates6878]

"Live tells" at this stake are so unreliable. With some exceptions of course, but I don't put a whole lot of weight into it

[@Megabyterex]

The caller should have open with 60-75 instead of $20

[@tx189]

You must hear the caller only good players raise to 20.

[@sterlingvalentine4151]

A3 suited most likely, that’s why you have to bet that flop!

[@tx189]

20 for the good players 😂 if that’s not a narcissist statement I don’t know what is.

[@BigBundy82]

Easy Fold

[@pokerrp6249]

That is a easy fold he had 66 for sure

[@ck58npj72]

Checking flop in a 4 way pot with one behind with trips?

[@pokerrp6249]

@@ck58npj72 when you have the 2nd nuts do you really want to scare anybody away? The caller is lucky he didn’t hit his flush. Maybe the villain had 6/3 suited but that is a stretch

[@ck58npj72]

@@pokerrp6249 checking rainbow board, raise with flush draw...Anyway I think he had A3

[@pokerrp6249]

@@ck58npj72 A3 would just min chick the turn? That is a min. 3.5X. He was putting the caller on A3. He mostly had 66 and wasn’t afraid of anything

[@ck58npj72]

@@pokerrp6249 good point, I thought turn bet was bigger. 66 makes sense

[@FastdounutTV]

He’s got fancy play syndrome

[@terrysword7739]

This guy is so lost 😂

[@liyexiang666]

again, a hand without knowing what the villian have....

[@chadjohnson6718]

It’s amazing to me how some players can spew all this poker lingo when they talk, act like they have this major in depth analysis when they are talking about spots, but then know almost nothing about the most basic of poker concepts. “The good players always bet 20” lol wtf? Why is this guy talking about raising flop to fold out KQ then 10 seconds later says top pair will call three streets. Also analyzing the turn where he wants to 3bet to set up a river jam after openly saying the opponents range beats his just shows you he knows the words but has no idea what any of them mean. 3bet to “see what he does” is downright horrible when you have this much showdown value. This is what it looks like when one knows very little about poker strategy and is basically just clicking buttons. The value vs bluff concept is one of the first poker concepts you learn when starting to study poker, but this player seems to have no idea which category his hand falls under or how to play each category.

[@jmaessoan1]

Real talk G

[@pot_kivach160]

You’re right. Except to criticize. It’s obvious that this guy called for help. Did he get it?

[@SeanBenson23]

Generally I agree, but to give the benefit of the doubt maybe the caller just wanted to exhaust the possibilities on each street. That would be a good thing for a lot of us to think about.

[@eee4577]

@@SeanBenson23 That’s true but you gotta think why would you do certain things and they way he is thinking is flawed af. Come on xr to get folds from better kings ? It’s already very ambitious to try to get folds from worse kings in these stakes let along from better ones..

[@MrDaNgK]

Lmao this guy needs alot of help just listening to first 2 min

[@tclouatre]

Pocket 3s or nothing at all.....well played

[@Azar1571]

No 3x

[@keenerblue2]

When I play...I want to be considered a bad player. A bad player can kill a so called good player. This is a joke.

[@jmaessoan1]

This guy's not very bright, nor is he a good player like he thinks he is. Holy shit. When I made original comment I was only 60 seconds in. Now I'm 3 and a half minutes in and this guy IS the fish that he was referring to in the beginning of the video. Barts gotta be cringing inside

[@alee3476]

this is comedy 😂 smh

[@harrisongu2642]

There are some pretty bad players in these call ins…

[@MrOizo-nv3mj]

this dude has no clue what he is talking about

[@shadowsmessage]

Never call the turn if you willing to fold the river to a river jam , just fold turn or jam turn. I’ll definitely jam turn & I’d never play K10s & would prefer KJs or better

[@jeremyhahn3612]

That's not how that works- you can call turn 100% and fold river if your stacks are deep enough, your hand doesn't improve, etc. And you're really shoving into someone who raised you on the turn with only TP? What do you think is folding? Only the hands that you beat.