when trying to be beautiful makes you ugly

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[@Grace_Zandile97]

"We blame society but we are society. "

[@cheyennec5546]

We live in a society

[@judithortiz-velazquez4992]

I find it interesting that some Gen Z’s look older via procedures. In the 40s & 50s, young people in their 20s wanted to look older. Why? Because looking older was synonymous with being a “grown-up.” Less is better when it comes to having work done.

[@elenagrace8524]

🙌🙌

[@TYD98]

I feel like we are catering too much for the male gaze. Yes half the society is cater to the other half of society.

[@swingusinners6001]

This is literally THE quote that explains all of this

[@mariaskrzydowska2971]

I saw a beautiful, yet sad video once. Adult women and little girls were asked "If you could, what would you change in your body?". Adult women said things like "My nose, my hair, my thighs, get rider of cellulite". Kids said they want a mermaid tail or wings

[@canadianravenbrook]

😭

[@amandak.4246]

well yeah, young children are ignorant, of course they think about impossible things instead of actual improvements

[@biaquerferias]

​@@amandak.4246the question never mentioned "improvements". They were asked what would they change if they COULD, implying anything is possible.

[@Tea_enthusiast]

​@@amandak.4246 me when I'm miserable and enjoy seeing people miserable over mundane things such nose shape and cellulite

[@Jinars.]

wow so deep

[@Kiwi27____]

I really blame Kris Jenner and Yolanda Hadid for making their daughters believe they have to change their appearance drastically when they were teenagers. Horrible women horrible mothers.

[@brendabillion]

Exactly what I was thinking. These insecurities start at home.

[@brunettemouse3265]

Definitely. A good mother wouldn't have wanted their children to go through these things

[@chrissis1944]

If you’re going to blame the mothers then blame the fathers as well. They were and still are present in their daughters’ life, I don’t see anyone blaming them. Their parents failed them.

[@Kiwi27____]

@@chrissis1944 in my personal experience, fathers rarely care about their daughter’s looks 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s mostly moms with internalised misogyny . Although I agree both parents should’ve stopped them from getting surgeries so young

[@MisterXZen]

@@Kiwi27____ This. Too many mothers just want a doll to dress up rather than treating their child like a human being.

[@laurabrummer4476]

People are trying to fix internal problems with external solutions

[@samaraisnt]

always have.

[@henriettebopda5895]

That's bars!!!

[@maiaraandrade1952]

People are trying to fix social problems with individualized solutions

[@swingusinners6001]

​@@maiaraandrade1952 This is very true as well

[@swingusinners6001]

This is so true

[@sophspice32]

we should just collectively ditch social media

[@yy.unlimited]

I agree 🥲

[@doobie1414]

Ill join

[@gracevazquez1745]

YES TOGETHER NOW 😂

[@aquarianmajo]

already did besides youtube & im trying to get more people to do so as well. took at least a year of focused daily effort & i have Adhd so it was incredibly hard but once you hit that point where you’re no longer going to the browser or even thinking about what other people “could be posting” it’s smooth sailing & then boom, entire new life

[@Piddypng]

​@@aquarianmajo keep on spreading the word. Especially for ppl like us with ADHD, sometimes we don't realize how much time we really waste on social media. I used to spend 4-6 hours on ig a day, just scrolling and going on a emotional rollercoaster, and getting nothing done within that time. I got help making a daily schedule and it has really helped a lot (plus Stratera). I don't have the time to doomscroll anymore unless it's in my allotted free time. I do want to delete Instagram but that's how I talk to most of my friends💔 I love communicating via relatable posts, I can't help it

[@ashleys.2594]

I wonder if we as humans were meant to be constantly looking at ourselves, like just 40 years ago all we had were film cameras and mirrors, it definitely changes the way we view ourselves and our self esteem

[@cjray04]

And it’s ironic too since a lot of diet culture trends and body/face dysmorphia started due to the 80s film era. Actors and actresses would see what they looked like on camera and think “I wonder what the masses think about how I look in this?”

[@seasonsofus]

I feel like it was eventually going to get to this point, but I think we’re in the phase of not accepting that we are flawed and different. Humans will eventually get to a turning point of accepting ourselves but we’re gonna be stuck in the phase for a MINUTE

[@sarahwatts7152]

It's so hard to figure out the "right" amount of looking at yourself in the mirror. Every so often I imagine what it would be like to live in a time/place/social class without mirrors, and it's so strange to think about

[@emilynam6084]

I don’t think film cameras and mirrors are inherently a bad thing. However, I think stuff like filters and photoshop expedited poor self esteem for people living in the present, because it fools people like me who can’t tell the difference into thinking that people were born with glass skin and perfect features.

[@JackH_123]

The ancient Greeks made up a guy who looked at himself all the time and he was the worst

[@tayanawoodton5475]

everyone shat on the barbie movie for being lukewarm white feminism (an argument with merit i will admit) but every day we live america ferrara’s monologue so clearly that message was and still is needed

[@brookejamieson1523]

my thing against the movie wasn’t only the bimbo feminism, but the joke about genociding native americans, while claiming to be “inclusive”, while not having even ONE native barbie

[@soho6435]

i think it was a great movie and summing it up to "lukewarm white feminism" is unfair. they still wanted to do a fun movie and keep it funny and still made A LOT of good points about feminism.

[@Aurora-lp9sn]

⁠@@soho6435it’s definitely unfair to surmise the entire movie to that sentiment, but as a woman of colour, the argument that the film included a lot of lukewarm white feminism cannot be disregarded. It’s not entirely true, but it definitely has its place in the discourse surrounding the film.

[@soho6435]

@@Aurora-lp9sn i didn't recognize that unfortunately, do you mind telling me briefly how they included white feminism? now im curious lol

[@tayanawoodton5475]

(i didn’t know that the asterisks would make bold text, i was just trying to use asterisks as they are)

[@ambere.3984]

Its crazy because now we act like beauty is no longer subjective :( people genuinely think they have the power to decide that for others and its sad

[@babygrill01]

Plot twist: beauty was never subjective, even babies understand attractive and unattractive faces. With that said, it's terrible that the halo effect and other biases impair our ability to judge the quality of people's intelligence, humor, and other characteristics. Being able to remove these biases and be honest about whether people are attractive means that being ugly doesn't make you less intelligent whereas looks centered coping society (hollywood gaslighting us into thinking looks don't matter when they do) means people will perceive you as less intelligent bc of it.

[@vivwest]

@@babygrill01 beauty was always objective.

[@ambere.3984]

@@babygrill01 thank you for the clarification and info I agree with your statements in the second half of your input and maybe im getting attractiveness confused with a different human feeling. I guess what I mean with beauty being subjective is I dont think we all have the same eyes and see everyone classified as conventionally attractive as such. Ive seen diagrams of what is supposed to be considered handsome to the female gaze and I just did not agree as I do not view eurocentric features as appealing but i wouldnt go say these people are "ugly". And I know society is quick to judge a more alternative or unconventional appearance as "ugly" which is something i would disagree with personally.

[@babygrill01]

@@ambere.3984 Across a handful of different cultures, eye color, length of hair, facial proportions, and other features do have subjective elements of beauty. However, there is a lot less variance on the symbolism physiques portray and patterns seen in those cultures ie v taper, hourglass, low body fat, moderate muscle. In many cases, physique can change what someone previously thought was attractive or worse yet you can be somebody's type in personality and hobbies but not meet physique requirements to be attractive.

[@SieMiezekatze]

Things are better than ever , before if you werent born with the natural "good features" you were considered cursed , evil and worthless . beauty was always a mold

[@seemsfishy23]

I grew up good camp friends with Erin Moriarty for years. I remember following her road to fame and being so excited for her. She was genuinely so sweet and kind, super talented, super funny, far more goofy and willing to look silly than anyone as beautiful as her has any right to want as a tween. She’s also the most beautiful woman I’ve ever seen in person in my life. Like, I was saying this years before she ever started acting professionally. Most if the pictures people are comparing her to are literally from the red carpet of her first small film when she was like… 20. I just wish she wasn’t being talked about this way. She absolutely deserves all the fame she gets and none of the harassment.

[@soho6435]

this is so sweet of you

[@seemsfishy23]

@@soho6435 just speaking my truth! Erin is literally the best. We aren’t in touch anymore but were until we graduated high school, basically. I think the thing that bothers me most is, as someone who has literally known her face in all its stages starting from like the age of 11 to today, is seeing the sense of OWNERSHIP men who don’t even know her feel over her “old” face. Actually having goodwill for someone, I don’t say being a fan bc that’s not how I’d describe myself but like genuine human goodwill towards them, is accepting them through all their phases. She doesn’t look the same as she does when I first met her and she had strawberry blonde hair and dyed it to blonde upon entering her 20’s but no one fucking cared then. And people need to get over this now.

[@YesToLifeAlways]

That's sweet but as a watcher of "the boys" it has broken my heart to see her face change and yes, it is plastic surgery and it is heartbreaking. If someone so gorgeous feels the need for surgery, there is something very sick with Hollywood.

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

I don't want her to feel bad, but she did already have absolute beauty

[@Meta.Empress]

​@@YesToLifeAlways it's hard to know if it was even her choice - it is written into most contracts including NDAs so they can't talk about it or defend themselves

[@iceheader]

kylie was born famous and thrown into the public eye so young.. i don’t get how people FULLY blame her and have no empathy. i feel so bad for her man she was a little girl being bullied for her looks at one point so she “fixed” it and now everyone’s like “ugh why would u listen to us tho?! ure a bad person!” like 😭 if i was that rich when i was a 15-16 year old i would’ve gotten a bunch of work done too. especially knowing everyone around her was probably encouraging it. like you said i blame kris jenner

[@monkiesbanana321]

100% blame the parents

[@spokenme08]

I blame the parents as well.

[@Shaydoereme]

Same, everytime people say she's complaining about the standards she set. Like Noooooo! She is a victim of the standards that had been set. She just happened to have the money to change her appearance, but you think if her looks weren't constantly being compared to that of her Kardashian sisters, she would have been so insecure that she felt the need to get those surgeries in the first place. She was a child being judged by millions before she even had a chance to grow into her natural features. The only fault that is her's IMO is lying about getting the surgeries. Not the standard she felt she needed to live up to. I do feel bad for her and I'm happy she is trying to protect her children in a way she never was.

[@BritneyRamirez22]

Kris was the one that always said there’s nothing wrong with getting something done if it makes you happy..all that instead of actually encouraging self esteem and instilling confidence

[@Jaetheeintrovert]

She’s the same one who has used her looks to get sales .. she had young girls doing that lip challenge with the suction cup stuff yet she didn’t speak up at that time. She kept lying about it. I don’t feel bad at all.

[@katkit1479]

It's sad because originally plastic surgery was for burn/acid victims, those who were missing body parts but now it's just become this industry trying to capitalize on every single little "imperfection"

[@henriettebopda5895]

Blame it on the people!! They suck!!

[@WolframiteWraith]

But on the plus side, all the work in plastic surgery surely helped improve reconstruction surgery?

[@DeaDiabola]

It still is!?!? What are you on about?

[@DeaDiabola]

​@@henriettebopda5895 They are human beings who felt insecure... blame them for what? :/

[@katkit1479]

@@DeaDiabola what still is?

[@mewnboy]

bro I hate capitalism so much i wish people could be themselves without corporations trying to bleed them dry of both money and self esteem

[@marijapaskeviciute365]

I agree. But at some point we need to take some responsibility and refuse to do this to ourselves

[@yy.unlimited]

​@marijapaskeviciute365 🎯

[@HEMLOXXX]

ummm what happened to consumer responsibility lol just because ur being manipulated into buying something doesn’t mean you have to buy it LOL

[@mewnboy]

@@HEMLOXXX two things can be true at the same time. consumer responsibility is very much a thing and it’s exhausting to be inundated with media 24/7 saying there is inherently smth wrong w u

[@james-ob9rz]

Socialism is way worse. look at Cuba Russia North Korea

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

“I only date girls with filler” Okay, pay for it then. Tell ‘em to cash app you the money, then block this lol. Put it towards your tuition.

[@coolcalm1111]

That's a male gold digger, the filler was not even the main reason but that only women WITH MONEY do it. I bet you he's unemployed....

[@dinkydoodle-h4d]

"I only date guy above 6ft" Okay, pay for leg lengthening surgery then.

[@dickottel]

​@@dinkydoodle-h4dYeah that's also stupid but the difference is some people are naturally 6 ft tall so these women can find a guy who fits their preference, but no one is born with filler, so that thing always requires money. If a woman tells you she only dates above 6 feet, you know she's not the person for you, you keep looking for someone else who doesn't care about having a tall boyfriend. I don't understand anyone saying "I only date girls with filler" because some women are naturally "full" in the places he thinks require filler, some women have full big lips/cheeks/whatever. So it's like a fetish for fake things? Or he assumes that all women with big lips had fillers?

[@emacd520]

⁠@@dinkydoodle-h4done of these examples you can control or choose, the other is genetic lol

[@DeaDiabola]

​@@dinkydoodle-h4d How are you conflating those two things so profoundly?

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

As someone who IS. Middle aged, I feel a little insulted 😅. 40 is a GOOD age. Life begins at 40. I think it’s patriarchy brainwashing women to think we age more than men. Men actually age faster than women, but the patriarchy says they don’t have to have this youth appearance to be attractive. Why? Why am I not considered beautiful at the time in my life I feel the best and can offer the most simply because I don’t look like a 20 year old (I was considered ugly when I was 20 btw). We need to reverse brainwash people.

[@luigigotbigtiddies9869]

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Women usually aren't allowed to age.. even though we literally live longer than men in most (if not all) countries.. I have a feeling lots of these insicurities come from the fact that women are told they must look like they're in their 20s forever.. as as soon as a woman turns 28 or 30, they try to keep the 20s look.. not because they want to, but because that's what assholes who don't allow women to live and exist peacefully tell them. I just turned 23, but I find older women MUCH more beautiful.. if redpillers people were to read this, they'd tell me I'm lying, cause they think they're the only ones allowed to have opinions..

[@justacoginthefkery]

I've pointed out to a few ppl how the entire "men don't have a biological clocks" only exists to fluff the male ego yet does a lot of harm. When the sense of mortality kicks in, it hits men harder. Not only are they forced to grapple with the reality of aging, their hormones dropping off, the fact that most young women don't actually want older men, they also have the sense of "I've been lied to my whole life?" At least for women, our clock is stuffed down our throats from birth so it's easier to process whereas men can & do spiral into a full blown existential crisis.

[@SusanDelgado1177]

To be fair, women have more subcutaneous fat than men, so when that starts to sag, it's more obvious than for men

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Preach❤.

[@Anna-mv9ew]

This is so on point. 40? How about 28. I thought that looking late 20s is shameful, UNTIL I've discovered Bada Lee who is so confident and attractive looking exactly her age. Looking at her you WANT to look 28 and not 18. I believe we are brainwashed to want to look and be young, because young looks are so advertised. It's just marketing! When I was a 6 yo child parents restricted my tv time and I was dreaming of becoming a grandma, because I was looking up to my 90yo grandgrandmother who was so cool, she was a role model for me

[@_manders_]

As SOON as I saw the “eyebrow blindness” videos I KNEW there would be “be honest, what’s my blind spot/blindness?” videos and here they are like, a week later 😪

[@miniamiiboo]

The way I've been trying to make peace with this is by realizing that people will always judge you so you might as well look and dress the way you want to. Unfortunately if your career makes you a public figure you are naturally going to face scrutiny on a severe level that I think is inhumane

[@MissDarlaDeville]

I am learning this, people judge either way no matter what you do

[@Kittsuki]

​@@MissDarlaDeville I've also found it freeing to realize that the people who treat you poorly based on your looks will never truly respect you even if you "glow up" for their approval. No point in trying to please the unpleasable.

[@allisontexas4810]

I think paparazzi should be illegal and there should be more laws protecting celebrities privacy especially their children's privacy those kids don't even choose to be famous they're just born into it

[@Tellehahsghsbbs]

This is why I would never want to be famous even if I had the talent/looks.. I don’t want to be perceived like that ever. It’s too much for a person

[@elmeelee4109]

every day I’m grateful that I’m poor so I don’t even have the option of participating in these beauty trends

[@quietcell]

Less money definitely gives you more space to think before acting. Most of my friends do microblading and laser hair removal. I don't and I don't think I would if I had that money to waste. I hope!

[@henriettebopda5895]

Rich and insecure is a deadly combination, imagine spending money on craps while there's people starving, humanity sucks!!

[@DeaDiabola]

​@@quietcellNot all of us have eyebrows or the time/skill to constantly draw them on. People deserve to feel confident. Microblading and hair removal are pretty damn tame. So judgmental...

[@markigirl2757]

Same I don’t even wear make up anymore it’s been a decade and seeing how expensive things are I just focus on skin care but the good stuff is hella expensive so I use what doesn’t worsen my skin. I got gifted a few decent products and making them last as long as I can lol

[@999yemy]

Yes more and more being rich or famous actually doesn’t look fun or healthy anymore. The things people do when they finally have the money to do so is scary

[@almondgraffitti]

You’ll never achieve the patriarchal capitalist beauty standard - that’s the way it’s designed. What you can achieve is the fabulous feeling of giving it the finger and keeping your hard earned money. It’s hard when you’re young and online, but not giving a fuck feels soo good and only gets easier as you get older.

[@kimanijackson8502]

For real, at this point, I don't care about the beauty standards, but it's so sad to see many women feeding into it and STILL being bullied about it.

[@Zoe-jt2qh]

this is so wonderfully put hahaha

[@lizabethb13]

How is this patriarchal? Stop blaming men for the mistakes women make. No man is saying "get Botox", "get filler", "get a bbl" it's women influencing other women. A bbl might get a guy's attention, hell it gets everyone's attention. But they're not requiring this of women.

[@almondgraffitti]

@@lizabethb13 Good question. The mainstream beauty industry is patriarchal because men profit. Men own the companies and factories that make the makeup, Botox and filler, men own the the plastic surgeries, the BBL fashion brands, the media conglomerates that advertise it all and the modelling agencies that cast thin white women in the ads. And it’s in their best interest to keep women insecure because it’s worth billions to them.

[@lizabethb13]

@@almondgraffitti Yes men tend to hold positions as CEOs, board members and trustees more than women because men are more drawn to business, labor, engineering jobs. Women aren't. Women tend to lean more into nursing, teaching, cosmetology (lol) jobs. A lot of models, especially as of late are foreigners. They're either from Africa or Brazil (or some other country in Central America). More and more we're seeing models of all different shades and shapes. Have you seen the Fenty models? And the owner, Rihanna black woman. Victoria's Secret is also featuring more overweight POC to appease the public.

[@uniraffesaur]

This makes me think of something I deal with working in footwear. I’ll have women get so self conscious about their shoe size that they’ll cram their feet into something sizes too small and then wonder why their feet hurt. But if you try to get them into something that fits, they’re too hung up on thinking their feet look big. I get really frustrated with them at first, but then I realize I’m actually frustrated that they’ve been so conditioned by a beauty standard that they think it’s more important for their feet to look small than to be healthy.

[@samaraisnt]

i hate this cause i tell the store associate my real shoe size and she brings out fkn clown shoes for me to try on… 😑 like no bro i’m not lying bring me the correct size not 3 sizes up. 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

[@VictoriaBelle727]

This is funny to me because I constantly get made fun of for my size 6 (us women) feet being 5’8”… quite curious.

[@uniraffesaur]

@@samaraisnt that’s goofy as hell 🤡 If a customer is telling me their size, I have absolutely no reason to think they’re wrong unless I’ve taken the time to measure them and then check the fit on what they’re trying. And even then, it comes down to what feels good to the customer and what they want. I can recommend a certain fit until I’m blue in the face, but if that’s not what the customer wants, I’m just wasting both our time by not listening to them. My job is to HELP the customers out, and ignoring what they say they want is not helping

[@Lostouille]

We had a fairy tale invented about that in France 1200years ago 🤡🤡🤡 👠👗 I think she s called Cind..? Cindy yep.

[@psych3verse]

nah this reminds me of that foot binding tradition in china back in the old days💀

[@majikai9077]

In my mid-late 20s, I had a consultation for cosmetic surgery. I was mocked terribly for how I looked, and I had enough of it. The surgeon spoke to me for a little bit, and then subtly suggested I seek therapy to boost my confidence and perhaps try some makeup. He didn't think the surgery was necessary. I left defeated because I only had the bravery for one attempt. So while Megyn Kelly's word choice may have been unkind, the message wasn't completely off. And then for some reason, in my 30s, I started to be complimented for my looks. Go figure. I guess the point is, these surgeons ought to be more thoughtful and sincere.

[@saiyamoru]

Thoughtfulness and sincerity aren't services they can charge for. That surgeon did something above his pay grade but many others...you go in for something minor and hyper specific and they try to upsell you by pointing out all the other 'flaws' you didn't even think about before...

[@majikai9077]

@saiyamoru very true. I'm glad my consultation was with that particular surgeon.

[@henriettebopda5895]

​@@saiyamorumost of them are souless capitalist zombies, i'm glad this one still had a soul

[@jeannedd.2709]

Glad you had a dr with a conscience. I watched my niece bloom with someone loving her and helping her see her own beauty. I swear she actually got prettier. So much comes from inside

[@markigirl2757]

I too hated my nose but my face is formed for it so even if I did fix it I’d probably look like an alien bc I would have to change my entire facial structure to compliment a small nose.

[@SW-zb6bf]

"You can't win either way" The way to win is to not participate. I know it's hard, but it's worth it for your mental health

[@KaiAstraStylist]

I just don’t understand why Kylie is upset that normal people on instagram don’t defend her but she sees people get bullied online too and she never comes to anyone else’s defense either. And she has the platform to actually help

[@MPPG663]

When you're a privileged narcissistic, there's only ever room for one victim. And it needs to be them.

[@astrida111]

The fuck is she supposed to do? fight trolls on Instagram? Don't sound ridiculous

[@geminixoxo501]

back in 2015-2016 she was such a big advocate for bullying she’d post people’s stories all the time on instagram. But people went after the people she posted

[@sofiarestaino6537]

If I had the money when I was younger, I'd probably look like Kylie Jenner now. When I went to therapy and learned more about myself as a person I found out my looks where the last thing I liked about myself. If looks are all you have to offer, I feel bad for you.

[@sabrinastrong291]

Reminds me of all the “amazing” tattoo ideas I had as a teen that I cringe at now lol

[@n2essence]

I love this!

[@en2336]

they should require this for teens in korea

[@patriciazandilencube4597]

Fr. I would have gotten a bbl. Now l'm older, I've naturally gained some weight and l have a little tush. It isn't big but just right for my body.

[@rainbowcat498]

This! When i was 16, i told myself "when im 21, im gonna get lip filler and a bbl and look just like Kylie and i will finally be hot" well fast forward, im 24 and i havent gotten/dont want ANY of that ish in my body!!!!! and its been a VERY VERY SLOW journey to lovin my body just the way it is! plus, have yall seen how much these procedures cost? its WILD

[@kemmyoluwo4732]

If you’re Gen-Z please listen from a Millennial auntie anonymous auntie. Okay? 1. Your collagen is good in your twenties! No need for surgery or fillers. It’s starts to die off though once you’re in your thirties. 2. How you treat your body now starts to show in fourties’. So please make sure you’re eating right, reducing sugar and processed food as well as excercise. 3. You will realise as you get older that you’re just sweat the small stuff when it comes to beauty. 4. Find out first natural foods that are high in collagen. 5. Rest, sleep, less stress and exercising can reduce signs of aging too.

[@spideylexi]

ty

[@starrstarrstarr]

don’t forget sunscreen

[@craftinapahantasiaartist]

@@starrstarrstarr Oh my gosh! Sunscreen is so important as well as getting that vitamin D!!😁🌻

[@jjb3237]

I’ve just realized that children whose parents have gotten a lot of surgery done grow up not knowing their real face. This is sad.

[@ananvas881]

Also how are u going to tell ur kid to love themselves if u changed everything about yourself

[@lalaland2107]

They could look through old photo albums and stuff. 🤷🏽‍♀️ if the parents kept them, that is.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Getting made fun of for not having something and then for getting it! Their acceptance is a false prize.

[@joylipumano]

I feel so sorry for Erin Moriarty. 😞 She is receiving so much misogynistic harassment for her physical appearance. The same men who insult her for getting plastic surgery are the same men who insulted her for her natural appearance. The Boys fandom is so disgusting.

[@RayseanEdogameh]

I feel for her to but please nobody was making fun of her pre surgery lots of guys appraised and glorified her natural beauty beforehand I don’t know what hate comments she was seeing to go to the egregious extent in going under the knife

[@Talia778]

I love the show, but the fandom needs to be stopped

[@desihayward2510]

@@Talia778same here, boys fans can be insufferable and tone deaf

[@Synkotic90]

I don't think that this is a gendered/misogynistic issue (despite your upvotes), I think that this is an issue with people not loving their natural beauty enough. I'm all for supporting our sisters but I don't think that's the case here. Guys end up doing the same thing if they go through a similar experience. I think that she was just insecure and decided to do it and the sisterhood wants to jump in, in full force to support her. I don't think it's healthy to complain about men promoting natural beauty as opposed to fake beauty considering how many brothers indulge in that type of behavior. Support your sister though, she needs it

[@majestymxnt7384]

That’s actually not true. She was praised for her looks pre-surgery.

[@NancySoulCycl3]

Every hollywood actress has had work done. They're praised when it's unclockable. And shamed when it's obvious.

[@MrQuantumInc]

People want a society where everyone is born equal and yet they also like to imagine that beauty and intelligence and charisma and talent are things you are born with.

[@samaraisnt]

and money and class. unfortunately if you’re beautiful people fill in the charming funny intelligent part…been watching this famous (very pretty) athlete guy’s interviews. He’s very normal, not funny or exceptionally witty. He must be very attractive to men though, because 99% of comments are just “Wowww he’s so funny! How is he so funny bro?!” “He’s so normal! He’s just like usss! Who could be so humble?!” hahaha it’s honestly so transparent from the outside.

[@catherinebyrom6307]

I've never felt more boomer-y than saying this, butttt... these younger people need to realise how little they'll give a sh*t about how they are perceived later on - even as soon as their 30s. You can still be vain af, but you just dont care about the fitting-in of it all 🤷‍♀️

[@maasikakitty]

This is not boomer-y at all. I'm 37 and I realized the same thing at 30. It's not impossible to get over those standards which don't get anywhere... And I'm diagnosed with PTSD.

[@maiaraandrade1952]

True!

[@tessmoffett5512]

This is very true. I’m only 29 and I’m already pretty okay with not trying my hardest in the looks department most of the time. I wouldn’t have DREAMED of leaving the house with no makeup at 20, but at 30, I only wear makeup about once a month. I still feel good when I DO wear makeup, though, which is still more patriarchal bias to unpack.

[@MPPG663]

Thank you for saying this because it's what I've always said, lol. When your emotional health develops normally, you get to an age where you simply don't care about these trivial things. When you have arrested development, you're more inclined to feed into and become consumed by what is promoted to you.

[@MPPG663]

​@@tessmoffett5512 ...Make up enhances what you look like naturally. There's nothing wrong with that. The issue is when the enhancement becomes an obsessive repetition.

[@jimin8006]

Fun fact! Men who comment on these girls don’t hate the fact that they did fillers. They hate the fact that fillers make them look old. If fillers and plastic surgery made you look more desirable all these critics would celebrate it. It was never about the dangers and side effects of these procedures in the first place.

[@manuuyt5919]

Wow good point

[@tayo_95]

honestly it's devastating that beauty standards are so toxic that Erin Mortiarty, of all people, actually thought she needed surgery

[@MADEbySOUL]

Kardashians Jenner sisters mention “she is Mom’s favorite.” Kylie tried to give Kris a model portfolio. At the time, Kris was spending time with Kendall to help Kendall’s modem career. Kris did not “entertain” it at all and she basically believed Kylie wasted her time. All these sisters most likely saw which sister had the most attention and gravitated to whatever gave them parental approval/affirmation.

[@canadianravenbrook]

Comparison is the thief of joy.

[@Calle.Hutch..]

Very true

[@KeliaNubul]

it's like whatever we do, we can't win

[@blinkur09mom]

Mhm like a catch 22, we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t so might as well do what we want as individuals

[@Ze-sr5ov]

Can’t win cause we live in a world where people Always looking for the next problem

[@queenj.8i895]

Yes you can! Stop giving a darn what other ppl think. Learn to love yourself and BOOM, you win & everyone who knows you will too. 💖

[@wasabee8228]

Then don’t play the dumb game they invented!

[@JE-zj3fm]

So maybe we should stop trying to win? That’s the only thing I can think of that would help

[@lalailm]

A really famous and experienced plastic surgeon in my country once told me this phrase: “As a plastic surgeon, I tell you that it takes about 5 years to learn how to perform a specific surgery, 10 years to master it, and 20 years to be able to say to someone DONT DO IT.” I have always wondered why some of the best plastic surgeons in the world dont really seem to have that much done to themselves. Some will proudly display their own aging signs, while making fortunes removing them from others. And then it hit me: they probably have seen first hand how going overboard with cosmetic procedures and plastic surgery can literally end up having the opposite effect. Like when you are still in your 20s and 30s but you pull and tuck so much you end up looking like someone 20 years older who is trying to look 20/30, you know? And its such an easy line to cross, most people will only notice it after the damage has already been done.

[@lanayrugorge]

20 years cause they’re rich by then. Unless they’re plastic surgeons for people that have had injuries or genetic conditions, all PS become PS cause they know humans are insecure, they’re not stupid, they prey on people for lots of money to become rich and then maybe become hollier than thou and do corrective surgeries. So that ‘really famous’ plastic surgeon is just as part as the problem no matter how inspirational you think that quote is.

[@lalailm]

@@lanayrugorge i agree. I would be willing to bet that most PS choose the field bc of financial reasons. But I still think PS are necessary. I dont think we can reduce plastic surgery to just plain superficial and predatory. And in my opinion, its better that some of them change their minds later than not at all. At least we will have a few who are lucid enough to go against the current and will put the patient’s health first instead of money. At the end of the day, they might be part of the problem but so is the whole system we are all inserted in. And also, bc we have experienced how harmful some cosmetics procedures can be is that we now know which ones are not worth it. It might be hard to accept it, but that is how humanity has always evolved and progressed: through trial and error.

[@zoetoussaint5060]

Killie Jenner said in an interview that she can't even remember a life without cameras around her

[@bendelia1878]

i’m a straight cis guy and i find myself entrenched in patriarchy and thinking bad thoughts about women and beauty sometimes but i want to unlearn, thanks for educating me

[@h0peros382]

As a former woman, I don't know if I have a say in this, but regardless, thank you for taking responsibility and educating yourself. The first steps are always the hardest. Good luck!

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

thanks for starting that work, comrade. Hang in there.

[@bronzeandsteel3344]

I feel the same way sometimes. I can't tell if it's just instinctual in us to feel this way about women and their looks, or if it's something society as a whole has unfortunately taught us over time. I really hope it's the latter.

[@jellyrolly]

A former woman? How are you formerly a woman? Are you a transman who went under surgery?

[@MossTunic]

being able to acknowledge doing harm & working towards being kinder is the most amazing, powerful thing you can do. i am so proud of you, you're doing great 😊 everything done out of love matters, everything you do matters. be safe, be gentle with your, you got this 🥳

[@kai-qm6wm]

I feel that the issue is trying to be beautiful at all cost. Like, not everything is beautiful for everyone so i think that ditching the infinite pursuit of beauty is the solution rather than trying to make everything look beautiful

[@joy.limon_]

Exactly

[@sanjanat1085]

About Gen Z aging like milk, in addition to all the filler, it's all the skincare we started as teenagers (usually pretty young) that included exfoliating acids and ingredients which just weren't necessary for a lot of teens but we did it anyways because our skincare education came from adult beauty gurus. It's like the Sephora kids now who are using Drunk Elephants retinol creams and peptide creams and exfoliating products, it's going to take a toll on their skin as they age because more often than not, young skin just doesn't need that many active ingredients which turns counter-productive. I know people think skincare is mostly harmless but unsupervised or ill-knowledged and unnecessary use of skincare products can cause your skin to be worse make you look older, especially since potent skincare is becoming so accessible now and it's being targetted at young girls.

[@DoveAlexa]

I was raised cheapskate and always avoided consumable exfoliants. You can buy exfoliating fabric gloves for $1! I'm near 40 and get told I look mid 20s. Poor ripped-off girls.

[@margauxthompson4628]

Crazy to hear Megyn Kelly on air talking about her like that when she has bleached hair, extensions, a fake tan, pounds of makeup on, and probably an ED. I don't think any woman is "sin-free" enough to cast the first stone. I've been very crunchy and radical about plastic surgery for a long time, but the lines on my face still bother me. It's normal and there is no easy, straightforward path to navigate.

[@ameriewestfall6389]

My mom is a little chubby not a lot and eats fairly healthy and works out and I found weight loss injections on her counter and it just hurts that my mom thinks she has too

[@MPPG663]

As you age, even being a little chubby can have a negative affect. You don't know if her joints are starting to hurt, if despite her efforts the weight isn't coming off as easily as it use to (as it happens with age), or maybe something is elevated and she wants a little jump in loosing weight to get it down. I hope youbtalk to your mom and not jump to conclusions.

[@faithvanessa6528]

“Permanent solutions can’t solve temporary problems” = great for anything irreversible and physical, especially

[@Doesntmatter20]

It is so weird that Americans do their nails 💅 like that is as basic as doing your make up 😅 in Europe, Belgium, almost no one considers that a basic and only a few do it. Seems expensive to do your hair, nails, brows and other beauty treatments every month!

[@SalamanderLights]

Acrylic nails are also one of the most common places to find MRSA, and one of the least hygenic beauty rituals

[@plushdragonteddy]

i dont think it’s actually that normal in the US, but then again i mostly hang out with people who wear alternative fashion, so i may not be the best measuring stick. come to think of it, i did see a remarkable number of people with seasonal nail art shopping at the grocery store i used to work at, so maybe it’s more common than i thought

[@DeaDiabola]

​@@SalamanderLights Yeah but you can always do them at home where your tools are clean. It's important to be hygienic with long nails of any kind

[@wlk3607]

it really is expensive to do regularly! and then add in lashes and fake tans for some people… ends up being so much time and money idk how people who aren’t celebs keep up. definitely an unrealistic standard for the average person

[@om3ga5]

i sacrifice basic needs to be able to get my nails filled consistently😭

[@amandaski]

I lost my parents about 10 years ago now. I think I would hate looking into a mirror and not being able to see small parts of them. I think about that a lot now that fillers and surgery are so commonplace.

[@shalxnda]

It’s crazy bc everyone is not supposed to look the same and it’s just getting worse

[@AM-sb9rt]

honestly, not just on this topic, It feels like everyone just WANTS to hate stuff at the moment? Like the world and life is so difficult at the moment and theres so much built up anger or rage or resentment and so people need something to take it out on, and instead of finding a healthy way to work through that, a lot of people online just jump on the next acceptable thing to tear down: be it someone who looks bad, a celebrity who did something or didn't do something they should have, whatever. people harass a celeb to use their platforms for good (like the Kardashians being critiqued over and over again for not acknowledging their role in the current beauty standards) but then if they DO what people have been asking for (like Kylie talking about it and coming to terms with how its not just affected her but larger society) people still arent happy because it's too late or feels performative. Idk I just get the vibe that some people will never be happy because they dont really want to be, they just want to shit on stuff or tear it down so just for a minute, they can feel big/superior in comparison

[@sa_kie]

Literally! I have a family member who’s like this and she sucks the life out of a room 💀 Adding on, I feel like a lot of these ppl get offended when ppl r happy even tho it has nothing to do with them. They just jump straight on the hate train bc getting a life is too much effort for them 🙄

[@Alligator17]

I've noticed the hate has become more prevalent online these days. Might finally be the thing that gets me to delete all social media because it's just too depressing to see.

[@Velereonics]

I think it isnt just about feeling pretty themselves, it's about being sure there is at least someone, somewhere, less pretty

[@canadianravenbrook]

Yeah the comparison is the thing. That's the key here. It's the thief of joy.

[@tragicallyhoney]

It’s being a narcissist 😊

[@Carelesshilton]

Beauty is currency but it is a bad investment

[@loosebands2689]

from what you said around 22 minutes mark, i see this LOVE YOURSELF narrative but still getting plastic surgery a lot with youtubers and influencers with smaller chests!! before their surgery they’d go on about self love and their insecurities but theyre working on it through self love!! and then when they get money they get surgery for bigger breasts, in the video about it they’re awkwardly saying “well yeah…. self love but women’s choices!! i wanted to do it and i had the money so i did” i think influencers doing this is such a sticky situation when they have an audience. you could say theyre using the money off other girls relating to their insecurities to then just get surgery to not have it anymore. the gap between being a ‘role model’ and an actual person lol my thoughts lol

[@samaraisnt]

in actuality they were secretly scrimping every single dollar they got for that surgery lol!(Such a sadly common goal for women! :/) But they’ll call anything “Self care” and an investment lol. It’s really sad every single positive influencer is like “There isn’t anything wrong with it!!! but mine were SO UGLY AND SAGGY!” like bro 😂 that’s mean af cause there’s bound to be people who look like you out there too. That’s why the whole “everyone is beautiful except for me” narrative doesn’t work. It must include ourselves first…just realized self-love is missing from the whole self-care industrial complex, dang! Love yourself except I can’t. Makes me think they’re saying that to convince themselves more than anything.

[@canadianravenbrook]

Yeah there is huge cognitive dissonance there

[@NatTalks01]

I went through this with Princess Nokia lmao she's a queer musician and a lot of her songs talked about being a tomboy and loving her small tits. As someone who identifies with that she was a big role model for me...Until out of nowhere I started seeing ig pictures of her with her brand new boobs. I never criticized her for that, but damn that was a really shitty feeling. Thankfully I just decided she wasn't my role model anymore and kept on loving my small tits lol. (edit:typos)

[@annabelledrake2027]

yes omg the normalization of boob jobs has made having very small boobs suck. I don’t plan on ever getting the surgery bc I know how terrible the long term effects can be, but it doesn’t mean I’m not tempted just a lil. Like you spend your whole childhood as a cis girl with the knowledge that you will have breasts one day, but then to grow up and basically not develop any naturally, and seeing other women who already have naturally larger breasts than you getting boob jobs, it all makes having tiny boobs seem like the least desirable most unfeminine thing in the world.

[@justacoginthefkery]

The whole "self love" message seems incredibly false in the real world as though it's strictly a part of pretty privilege. If you're noticeably flawed or don't fit into some box of attractiveness, ppl really do act like "how DARE you be confident? How DARE you have self-acceptance?! We don't take kindly to that! You stop it right now!"

[@patyloveswifi3724]

I saw someone from the UK say that cosmetic procedures like fillers and Botox is so unregulated in the UK that estheticians and stylists offer them. So they go to get a refill for nails, lashes, filler and Botox in the same shop and it’s super cheap compared to US prices. So the UK’s unregulated cosmetic injectables market is evident in their media in stark contrast to a regulated US market where yes, we have an increased demand, but you have to go to at least a medical spa under seen by a doctor if not an actual dermatologist or NP.

[@lily-ol5iw]

this is very true!! it’s literally promoted as something quick and extremely easy to obtain

[@libby5004]

Yep. There are even ‘botox parties’ where people go to a friend’s house and get a bunch of botox.

[@Velereonics]

When youre young and because we spend more time indoors, our skin stays soft and pliable much longer in life than it used to. Whatever the age is that medical literature says filler is safe at, add like 5-10 years to that, because they are basing it on data that includes people from generations before.

[@salsadip7453]

Aye, good thing to mention, thanks

[@sarahaque1382]

Huh never thought of that

[@CMStrawbridge]

I always semi regularly guiltfully watched shows like Botched growing up. It might be less than savory entertainment, but it helped me stay grounded about beauty standards and what was going too far. I just put that energy into good hygiene and if I didn't like something about my body, I'd work to change it naturally. No way was I gonna end up like any of those tragic examples on TV. Like scared straight for cosmetic alterations

[@talent__]

nah im anti-plastic surgery .

[@henriettebopda5895]

Amen!!!

[@lalaland2107]

Me too and I have been since a child because it was seen as a bad thing.

[@annaa3772]

Remember that it's also used for burn/acid/cancer victims

[@lalaland2107]

@@annaa3772 I feel that they are the exception. And any other person born with some sort of deformity or suffered any animal or violent (stabbed, shot, beaten, car accident, etc.,) attack.

[@EyelessAugust]

Banning it won’t get rid of it. People will seek it out in dangerous environments instead and get far worse results.

[@Alex-cm9dd]

Not going on Instagram and other platforms helps me love myself and my unique beauty. I suggest every tries it!! Your self-confidence will soar!!

[@Talia778]

Kylie was so young when the lip kit situation happened, so unpopular opinion I don’t necessarily fault her. I think her mom is the real problem. She shamed all her daughters. I’m surprised Kylie is so close with her mom 😭. That said, I think everything that she has done since has made her brand and her identity all about her looks. And it’s sad to see, but we don’t really know who she is outside of her looks.

[@putrijd5173]

i don't think kylie knows who she is outside of her looks. i think it was why she took to making her looks her main brand so well.

[@nbucwa6621]

The day I won't blame her is the day that she, as an adult now, decides to take accountability for the harm that she caused to thousands of young girls. I don't have empathy for Kylie because Kylie doesn't have empathy for anyone unless it affects her personally (eg. not wanting her daughter to feel that way so suddenly she doesn't want to uphold those standards. but doesn't feel anything for all the other girls her own family is still harming). Name one moment where Kylie in all this drama spoke about anyone but herself? Expressed care for anyone except her and her millionaire influential family? She can keep her whyte girl tears thanks.

[@jamiegibsn7543]

@@nbucwa6621 this is so interesting bc being in middle school when she got popular, i just remember ppl making fun of the kardashians for their surgeries and how off they looked and not actually wanting to look like them.

[@geminixoxo501]

@@nbucwa6621kylie is a victim to people just want somebody to blame for their insecurities. Insecurities start from within they are never caused by someone

[@destmichael]

Hi, old ugly woman here. I'm 50, had nothing done. I'm so glad to hear this from someone their own age saying this to her cohorts. Thank you. I think Botox should be marketed as "look 40 juice". Youth is beautiful .

[@danamuller5016]

You are not ugly you Look lovely and friendly 🥹☀️

[@ava-lg9gf]

you’re not ugly at all! I can tell you’re gorgeous 💓

[@edithe4119]

I think it’s crazy how no matter how much we try, it just doesn’t work and we aren’t good enough. I’m 15 and just can’t see myself as beautiful even though people tell me I am. I don’t fit the standard so I wonder how people believe I’m beautiful

[@doobie1414]

Because real beauty is more then just the appearance ❤️ they probably find you inside and outside pleasant

[@MariaLaura-ov2vb]

I feel that in some many levels, damn

[@abbyhhoage4137]

I didn't feel truly beautiful until I became an adult and started to make my own choices. I chose to go to the gym and eat well and feel good and enjoy the little things and value my relationships and that made me feel beautiful. I matured and realized many people are beautiful without fitting a standard. Trust me, it will come with time

[@abbyhhoage4137]

Nobody feels beautiful at 15, everyone is insecure. High school can be miserable

[@monkiesbanana321]

Hang in there ♡ I'm very white and pale and grew up with all Hispanic friends and hated my skin so much I didn't show my legs for 10 years and the few times I did I used fake tanner on my legs so I wouldn't get teased. Once I was over 18 and saw that lots of people especially in other places found my skin tone pretty, i started looking at my skin differently than before. I realized it looks really nice with certain colors, and that I could pull off some looks that my darker friends wouldn't be able to do as well, and I started to love my own skin color.

[@dasanii2467]

face ratio is eugenics

[@FrumiousMing8]

Megan Kelly being so upset over Erin Moriarty's face was ridiculous. She was so overreacting to the situation. Like girl calm down, why you so worked up about this one person's face? She was taking like Erin had committed a crime...

[@giseleb7807]

Jealousy. They hate when a woman has the courage to do whatever she wants to do

[@duskripper6650]

​@@giseleb7807 I don't think anyone's jealous of Erin Moriarty atm 😅

[@namkia205]

​@@giseleb7807The poor girl looked better before though...

[@jl2280]

@@duskripper6650 Erin Moriarty is still better looking than 99% of everyone lol

[@duskripper6650]

@@jl2280 sure, but she's clearly insecure about her appearance and is now being raked across the coals for it. There's nothing to be jealous of there

[@zeanibanks3950]

Moral of the story is women need to learn discernment. People are always going to try to sell you on something that will make you prettier or more attractive. But it’s all a sale and a trend. Once this trend is over they will be on to the next. You gotta find your beauty from within. When you love yourself you don’t fall for the okie doke as easily. It’s easier said than done but it’s the truth.

[@r.walker7986]

People are out here trying to get the benefits that come with external beauty, they want that guy/ that girl, they want people to envy them and pay attention to them, they want the privileges that come with being desired. Self love will not give you any of that. people want what they want and thats what it boils down to. Some can accept they dont have it and move on but others are going to do what they have to do to get it the way they want it.

[@zeanibanks3950]

@@r.walker7986 that’s true too. But then don’t cry victim when you get botched or blame society for your choices. Because there’s consequences to everything

[@helenam00n]

It's like that anonymous message from Tumblr to user redstonedust, "... Command yourself with a warrior's spirit and resist the sirens call of cheap shit." This was about participating in microtransactions in mobile games but I think the sentiment applies to what you said. It's not about a persons moral composition, or never buying anything. I bring this up because these are some [black and white] counter points that can get brought up. To the point of r.walker I guess we have to have the conversations about validation and participating in online spaces because that's where a lot of people look for community and dopamine, especially younger people who have grown up with personal devices since a very young age.

[@Pikadb8815]

to be honest I couldn't take Starlight's character seriously in the last season. it didn't feel honest or natural and I didn't know why I didn't like it, until I found out that she had all this work done to her face and it all made sense then!!!

[@warviolet7262]

All that work she had done is VERY jarring, if it was more subtle (like she did before she made more drastic changes) it looked lovely and natural, but now, she has completely changed her face and it unfortunately has really affected her acting range as her face isn't capable of being properly expressive for her roles now. Aside from that however, she NEVER deserved the amount of hate and backlash she got. Still, it's sad.

[@renmbo]

i’m halfway through the video and have already gotten an ad for juviderm filler and an ad for an ozempic alternative LOL

[@petel1ichka]

if only we focused on "soul pretty" like we focused on "body pretty"

[@SarahJo]

I also feel like the world saying "well YOU made this standard Kylie" is wild because does no one else remember when she was a literal CHILD being called ugly by so many people? Like when she was 12-ish? Because I sure do, and no she's not 100% innocent but like...damn did people think they could just bully a child with no consequences to her mental health????

[@pacmiller7564]

??No lol her being called ugly is one thing but her mother and sisters are the one's who pushed her into that plastic surgery lifestyle blame them not other people.

[@SarahJo]

@@pacmiller7564 oh, I think there's plenty of blame to go around. But if you think reading about how ugly you are as a tween girl didn't directly contribute, then idk man

[@saphi_a1113]

I was recently at a congress on public health on Brazil and we were discussing about not only improving our public health system, but there was a point made that we should abolish private health completely. Because when health and medical practice is mercantilized, harmfull unnescessary procedures are sold, people waste resources, we have surgeons and hospital beds that could be ocupied by sick or hurt people that are ocupied by BBLs, nosejobs etc etc. Health should not be a commoditie. These people should get therapy not surgery

[@wt4113]

Your videos about beauty are what drew me to your channel in the first place, I’m so excited to watch another one!!

[@cordeliahair44]

that one girl saying , "don't vape, don't smoke, don't drink, don't do anything fun." ummmmm, hello? why are the 'fun' things she named literal drugs.

[@midgevong41]

Caffeine and sugar can also be considered drugs and are more destructive than some things people refer to as “bad” drugs. So unless you’re a big health nut who only eats food you grow and never takes any medicine, then you’re just believing what media told you is bad

[@cordeliahair44]

I'm fully aware of what sugar and caffiene addiction is. I have obese members of my family, and I'm very aware how unhealthy they are. However, I also have people in my family addicted to multiple kinds of drugs. They're lives have been complete destroyed and promoting drugs as 'fun' is a terrible notion.

[@maysaesthetic]

I noticed how beauty standards were constantly changing and it did make me really insecure and I’m like come on now I’m only 19 I’m not gonna get a procedure done. So I decided to just block it all out for the most part and got rid of my socials. I actually feel pretty lately without constantly comparing myself. And it’s easy because it’s not like you’re seeing influencers and celebs just walking down the street. So I think getting rid of social media has really helped. I even take care of myself better. I work out and do yoga and eat better. For myself not because I want to look but feel better.

[@lolnah6216]

Same, like im 17 and and have actually started to love myself. I feel pretty without all this shit going on and ita honestly so sad seeing people our age completely destroy themselves :(

[@vanillabeanlady]

I don't understand why people don't just delete their social media. I've had mine deleted for years now. It's a waste of time and terrible for mental health, and it's a bunch of women pressuring other women to spend money or ruin their faces. Most of my social circle is men, and I don't know a single straight man who likes when women have filler, duck lips, fake boobs, etc. The pressure definitely comes from other women in my opinion/experience.

[@silly-mini-kitty]

Talking about deleting social media is easy but when u consider many of us and our circle is addicted its hard to delete and never come back

[@spideylexi]

@@silly-mini-kittyi deleted social media and literally have like no friends now lol it’s how everyone asks to hang out i hate it

[@BLKPlutoh]

Depends on how you use socials. As a sketchbook and networking, it’s very helpful. I use socials, but only go on like twice a month.

[@aleykat1295]

i love your takes on subjects like feminism/beauty standards. id love if you made more content about the subject!!

[@simplyspice7916]

I'm a 40 year old woman, when I go out people often tell me that I look like I'm 28. I do not know why. I think it's genetics because I've never had any work done 🤷‍♀️ I wish plastic surgery was still meant for people with deformities, like birth defects, people who get into car accidents, burn victims, these types of people who actually need it.... I wish they were prioritized above the people who just want to get a BBL or who just "need" to get their face stretched because they look too old🙄That is very vain and it's very trivial when compared to those who actually NEED plastic or reconstructive surgeries.

[@chiknosis]

Kylie is not the problem, behind a follower, lacking self esteem, and being chronically online is the problem.

[@Eyeluv2d]

This stuff only even matters online. Nobody i see at work, in public or in my social circle goes to any of these measures or judges others for not altering their appearance. We nred to get out more.

[@paulaarosee]

What hurts the most is that women are the main ones making these posts about insecurities. Yes it may have been due to something a man told them but why do a lot of us feel the need to go online and post about this one comment a man made to you to make you upset and now you have millions of other women insecure about it? Collectively us women are making this worse by feeding into it all. It’s super sad.

[@Taylor-kh1pe]

Yes! Like why give me all that power over you?

[@bunnyellabell]

y'all are right but here's another perspective that may help you understand a different way: when you're bullied your whole life, brainwashed in so many ways that you are not enough, you believe this to be fact. it is your reality. you have no clue that beauty standards are made-up. these things affect everyone in different ways; i'm sure y'all can recall a time when you didn't like something trivial about yourself, even if that was YEARS ago when you were a teenager. it's ingrained in our society. our every day life. it rules some people's lives, unfortunately. we can blame the women who shame other women or we can teach them to uplift other women instead. i think of it sorta like deconstructing from a cult/religion. you have to rebuild your perception of the whole world around you as well as yourself. it takes a lot of work and even then you may still struggle for the rest of your life. uplift those women who are struggling instead of putting them down as opponents. your kindness goes a long way, even for the women who aren't at the same point of deconstructing as y'all. i didn't read y'all's comments as antagonistic or anything; i just wanted to say this to add on to the conversation. 🤍 i hope i explained well enough.

[@paulaarosee]

@@bunnyellabell I didn’t take it that way neither did I mean it negatively against women. of course because i am one and also go through my own list of insecurities day to day. All my point is that men aren’t really out here making posts about things they don’t like about women’s bodies. Not half as much as women are posting about other women’s bodies and about their own insecurities that dominos into a trend. We are creating the trends for our insecurities right now massively. It’s making young women insecure about things they didn’t know they could be insecure about. No one in person told them anything to make them think otherwise about a certain part of their body until they see massive amounts of other women who are insecure about something which in turn makes us feel like we SHOULD also be insecure about that thing. It’s just getting weird how we have found any and everything to be insecure about nowadays and are blasting it on media so everyone else feels the same. Somethings can be kept to yourself as it is your insecurity to begin with compared to making it everyone else’s insecurity because of how you feel about yourself. I hope this makes a little more sense and I have become clearer with my comment!🫶🏻

[@Kittsuki]

Women are expected to maintain this illusion that they naturally meet a beauty standard which, for the most part, cannot be obtained naturally. The result is this sort of cognitive dissonance where we all know it's not natural but we hate being reminded of that because then it breaks the illusion. I think it's worth asking why we're so invested in this unwinnable game, and who actually benefits from it.

[@dani-888]

4:10 yeah... it's definitely giving eugenics💀

[@yoana.elizabet]

36:36 “a Kim Kardashian disciple” is crazy 😂😂

[@aubreejobizzarro1208]

Erin is SO SO pretty and it GUTS me that this is what society can do to women… like holy crap.

[@snarwhal2408]

There was a comment on a video of some of The Boys actors doing some group interview, and there was a comment that said “is anyone else distracted by the plastic thing” in reference to Erin moriarty. The pure hatred and disdain I felt from that comment almost made me sick

[@narrativenooktv]

Just in time for my girl dinner

[@pallinagialla97]

Making women insecure about themselves is a whole selling industry nowadays, and yes: you are absolutely correct that it is one of patriarchy'way to control us. I still believe that the favorite tool that the patriarchy came up with to make us weak is making women compete against each other women for men's attention, which is basically glorifying men, instead of allowing women to support and sooth each other and be in a community as it would be a more natural feminine behavior. Love to us 🫶💓 Hopefully we will raise our vibes soon 🌕✨

[@Dreaming5]

‘The British association of aesthetic plastic surgeons’. BAAPS. Omg they did NOT 😂😂😂

[@TheSelfCenter]

They can't just let us live 😩😩

[@Pepperoni-and-cringe]

The best beauty tip is to preserve what you have already. Don’t make drastic changes. I haven’t owned a hair dryer or straightener in years. I drink water mostly and don’t use facial creams. Foundation and some lotions can cause break outs. Hair dye made my hair fall out. Hydrate your hair. My hair was always labeled a rat nest until I found products to reveal I had wavy hair. Walk outside for light exercise maybe.

[@clown_wrld]

Those who pursue beauty just to be seen can easily lose their way. If they are happy its great, but I always get sad wondering if those who dedicate themselves to it are doing so for the gaze of others who would have never respected them to begin with. Listening to the words of snakes will always hurt you, gotta love yourself first. I know plenty of people who get the only one surgery, they wanted, and suddenly they want 3 more. It's a concerning thing to want more and more of something that is completely intangible.

[@alisonmercer5946]

This! 💯 🎯

[@MossTunic]

there's this channel, robert & james welsh, they're twins & one specializes in makeup & the other in skincare but they collab for sillier funny vids too on this channel. they did a vid where they used various tapes meant to pull your chin fat back to make it look skinnier, some kind of special effects putty to build their noses & cheeks, all this stuff to "change" themselves to more ideal versions which was partially a joke because they're not skilled in these things lol but also, a lot of it was like "well, i'll add a bit more here" "cuz i added this, now this looks bad, so i'll add more there" & it just spiraled from there. it really does add up & up & up, it's really so difficult to get one thing done & not want to change everything because now this part of themselves looks out of balance compared to the artificial. there are great docs who are mindful. my little sister wanted a brow lift, lip fillers, more i can't even remember, all induced by kylie & social media. her doc slowed her roll, pointed out how great she looks & doesn't need all these procedures, but maybe a little bit of filler (much much less than my sister wanted lol) on her upper lip to make it a bit fuller because we both have larger lower lips already. she was so happy with how she looked & is grateful the doctor treated her so thoughtfully.

[@henriettebopda5895]

Most people want To be seen and are superficial narcissists, humanity sucks!!

[@alinegutierrez]

I’m a millennial and I was dead broke in my 20s. I have to thank God! I was so insecure, I would’ve gotten so much work done.

[@alisonmercer5946]

Im sick of it.people dont even realise its all just other people trying to sell you things.weekly or monthly trends are just made up by peopldtrying to sell you things. And itendsup not looking better on a lot of people and its not gonna fix a bunch of other issues that people have.😊

[@MissDarlaDeville]

We only get one, be gentle and kind to yourself ❤

[@Stinkwolff83]

I think Kylie is a product of having 3 older sisters shadows to walk in, but knowing she needed to outshine them because of her given fame. I was always insecure because I didn’t think I’d ever be as great as my older sister, I can’t IMAGINE what Kylie goes through.watching the clip where she says she would be heartbroken if stormy wanted work done really made me sad for her because her mom probably encouraged it.

[@Anonymous_JK_Lover]

Jennifer Grey from Dirty Dancing (original movie) actually went through the same thing back in the day. She got a nose job and it completely changed her face

[@user-eh7fb5yo9f]

The doctor should talk bc he wasn´t criticizing the girls or their intentions, he was criticizing the doctors for doing a bad job (he was actually defendind the girls and promoting his skills). I understand sensitivity but when that goes to anger that affects the comprehension of the message, one shouldn´t alloud themselves that. Ends up inventing that people are against you, must not feel good.

[@Vaytra]

Your internal experience will last your lifetime, but beauty is fleeting. Women will always reach a point where the world will say they are too old to be beautiful, or there will be pictures where you don't look good, or days when you look like shit. We are chasing permanent beauty that isn't attainable. Love yourself. Love your life. Work on your internal beauty, that kind of beauty won't fade away.

[@popsiclesandhoney3702]

I'm in my thirties and people think I'm in my twenties. I don't think I look twenty something. I think people's perception of age has been skewed!

[@classiccrashers]

This is insane I am barley 10 minutes into this in depth well-thought video and KZbin shows me an ad FOR FILLERS. Wild. Absolutely wild. 😂 great vid so far, imma finish it now, ive just never had such funny ad timing, had to mention.

[@Cfaogbsyi]

i know kylie sold all those lip kits and lied about her plastic surgery but i feel bad for her because people have been calling her ugly since she was 12/13 years old

[@moniqueisabella9100]

I think we need to stop blaming the patriarchy for everything, and realize that the beauty standards are set and pushed by women too. If we continue blaming men for all our problems we will never look inwards and find a solution. As a girl I’ve experienced way more pressure to fit a beauty standard and to look a certain way from women than men. Not to say men haven’t also encouraged a certain aesthetic, but I do not think the patriarchy is completely at fault, the beauty standard was a collective agreement.

[@moniqueisabella9100]

But also I loved the video, points were made and I love watching your videos 💗💗

[@pacmiller7564]

You might be the only women in this entire comment section who has made this very obvious point

[@Shy-xm4kn]

Yea, all my most vocal bullies growing up as a tomboy were my fellow female classmates. It wasn’t until middle school that I started to get accepted because my dad payed for makeup classes and got me expensive haircuts (he did so because I was being socially ostracized and bullied). Funnily enough all my friends in elementary school were boys and they seemed less judgmental.

[@user-qs9sn3ff5n]

yeah obviously, it's women too. i think you're confused cause patriarchy is not only pushed by men

[@pacmiller7564]

@@user-qs9sn3ff5n a women criticizing or even insulting another women isn't patriarchy.

[@giaparmer]

About Erin, these women also don’t owe us conventional attractiveness. I think it’s so unhelpful to comment how much better people looked before plastic surgery because not only is it a no-win scenario to get surgery in the first place but if people don’t agree with how you look suddenly they wanna act like you owed them the version of yourself you were before you got surgery. I personally don’t think it’s a shame that women get surgery simply because they looked better before because those women didn’t owe me attractiveness to begin with.

[@AliceVFame]

This is it.

[@harajukugrl]

As a millennial, I never understood why a young person with wrinkles would get fillers. When i was growing up, plastic surgery was for adult entertainers, trophy wives, and anyone over 45. Like, you're already young, people are getting plastic surgery to look 20 something so this trend was confusing. I guess because social media was in its infancy, the idea of a average person having plastic surgery as a trend sounds asinine.

[@justacoginthefkery]

What's wild is young ppl being made to think they even have wrinkles to start with.

[@harajukugrl]

@@justacoginthefkery that's so crazy to me.

[@lanayrugorge]

As a millennial too you’re lying. We were brought up with size zero, thigh gaps, photoshop, MySpace. Don’t lie

[@harajukugrl]

@@lanayrugorge How am I lying? I'm speaking from my perspective. I talking about plastic surgery, not Photoshop or Myspace. Millennials were not getting lip filler at 19.

[@barbaracarpenter6986]

Actually with Lypo, sometimes the fat removal from that area is permanent. If you gain the weight back it would be in other areas of the body

[@MossTunic]

wait that's crazy, i never heard of that... that's heartbreaking for people who eventually snap back to their weight (weight loss surgery is overwhelmingly a deadly scam), now they'll feel distorted from how they looked before surgery too... :( all my life i've seen tv shows & stuff on lypo but never knew that in my 28 years of being forced to drown in fatphobia.

[@waterywanderer620]

@@MossTunic you never grow new fat cells, existing cells swell when you gain weight. If you remove fat cells from an area and don’t leave many behind, when you gain weight there are only cells in the untouched areas for the added weight to go to.

[@MossTunic]

@@waterywanderer620 wow, that's wild & fascinating. thank you for taking the time to tell me, i will definitely do more in depth research on this 🙏

[@samaraisnt]

look up where it goes. I think something like 90% if not more grow back weight. I mean you only have to regain 10-20lbs which is normal, even for me a super skinny person ones weight fluctuates a bit. The fat cells, because they don’t go where your body naturally stores them, go to unnatural places. They have these really frightening diagrams (in the NYT?) when they made the discovery. It goes mostly to your arms(batwings) and gives one saddle bags on their calves. It’s very unnatural looking and probably causes one to go back to surgery. Everyone I know who had it, had it done more than once.(Even though it can be deadly…)