WHEN WILL 5TH GEN JETS COME? Is it as SOON or as LATE as you THINK? - War Thunder

[@TazGaming141]

Imagine if we have a game mode where we protect the bombers, bombers get alot of RP for strategic bombing and the fighters get alot of RP for protecting the bombers and killing another fighters,for this to work we would need a large map with all vehicles playing to secure objectives like destroy enemy airfield, destroy enemy communications center, destroy naval aircraft carriers, tanks can secure strategic points on the map, planes and helicopters can also escorts the tanks and help them out in battle, scout vehicles can scout enemies on the map and there bases so each team can atless get a chance to know where the enemy is, each game if win and get alot of points would get some where around 80k RP or even 40 RP, idk but I'd love to see something like that implemented am tired of dod fighting alone

[@caspianlimatin9003]

GENIUS. I have played top tier a lot of times and it is CHAOS. The map is way too small. only about 100km long which makes fox-3s a pain due too the sheer spamramers. including me. Top tier is BRAINLESS and its just launching HAMRAAMS and notching and repeat until you just DONT want to play top tier. We NEED GIGANTIC MAPS where we can respawn, escort bombers and actually make top tier realistic because 16v16 in this map is completely unrealistic and chaotic. We need a gamemode kind of like Simulator EC but with RB controls

[@TazGaming141]

@caspianlimatin9003 exactly bro, you get it, am tired of spamming fox 3's and then running

[@caspianlimatin9003]

@@TazGaming141 yeah top tier is brainless its just launching some fox3s and notching and rinse and repeat until you dont want to play anymore and play smtg else

[@TazGaming141]

@caspianlimatin9003 swear, I've only been playing for a year now and I can feel my self slowly getting tired

[@ondrahelesic2832]

i had the exact same idea on reddit and i think if they did this good it would be amazing gamemode

[@ericjiang1045]

I think the F117 is more like a test bed for gaijin, which makes me believe they are planing on 5th gen. But I have doubts how it’ll work with current gameplay, especially in ground RB.

[@xyz-hj6ul]

We need SAMs to make stealth worthwhile. MSAM (SA-6/11/17/27) and HiMADS (SA-2/5/10/Patriot/SAMP-T). SAMs drives everyone down into the weeds. Where the light stuff can get you. SAMs mean that, until the stealths get ordnance on target (GBU-39 or 53, saturating the Pantsir or Tor goalkeepers) the CAS force is going to be fighting at a severe disadvantage against Stealth threats that can look down on them with missile poles that at 50% longer. Hyper SAM, like the SA-6 (Yom Kippur) and S-300 (Ukraine) are what drove the development of first Weasels and then Stealth. Not air threats. So add SAMs (AI driven) _first_. This would also be a good point to bring in bombers and better maps. Because a B-1B can go like greased lightning _forever_ at low level. And it can carry 16-24 AGM-158 JASSM, to saturate the SAMs. If you add SAMs _after_ stealth, what can they do?

[@silentassassin3674]

NO MORE MODERN PLANES FOR A WHILE,we need new top tier spaa as counterbalance,new tanks,new gamemodes

[@lyugui]

like what? the way I see the only AAs missing are S300/Patriot like systems that are extremely long range

[@thefamilydogs3213]

Gross.

[@silentassassin3674]

@@lyugui pantsir-sm,pantsir-smd-e,Spyder--aio,hvds/adams,stryker-spaa,k-30 biho,hq17. all of these spaa could come to the game and theres plenty more

[@saltysteel3996]

We need a Tank Only mode and a PvE CAS mode.

[@silentassassin3674]

@@saltysteel3996 fr

[@tjstar45]

Its crazy, just a few years ago we were just getting introduced to supersonic afterburning jets with the F100, now we are thinking of 5th gen. Wow how far this game has come

[@Modelstl063]

People called me a mad man when I told them stealth would come sooner rather than later.

[@BradKR]

I just want some new game modes and strategic bombing. I’m tired of dogfighting 24/7. Simulator mode has been a breath of fresh air, but I want something even more..More objectives would be nice.

[@TylerJC40]

Agreed or at the very least improve the current ones

[@xyz-hj6ul]

In yon Elden Daze... When an army came home, victorious, they would each lay tribute before Their Lord King who led them on the successful raid or campaign, sponsored the ships to take them and paid out the weregild to the widows and children of those who did not come home. He would then hear, from all of them, the 'tales of the heroes', where they were what they did, to win that key battle. These would likely be the usual suspects (better armor, better weapons, more men at arms, veterans of many campaigns). But they could also be some rando off the street who was very brave, at the right moment and the right place. And so got himself a stake in the game. Of course liars would be laughed into silence and get nothing. And because it was still HIS MONEY, from that common heap of loot at his feet, The King would say: "Alright You Petronius! You did well! Come take two of what you like!" Yet, it could be that Petronious might say: "Lord! I like the pretty redhead on the left! My wife is heavy with our third child and she needs some help at home, when I am gone." "Done!" Now, imagine this is an enhanced RP system of 'When your team wins, so do you...' In a Campaign Mode gameplay system. And to win this campaign and achieve victory you must advance across a set of three to five maps, each with seven to ten Phase Lines. Wherein, taking terrain within a time limit, adds to your loot for that mission set. Win or lose, the line of contact advances as each mission ends. Based on who advanced the furthest and held what they took. And when a mission is completed you start again, day or night, blowing up enemy vehicles to allow your own tanks to win the numbers/ambush fight. And SIEZE TERRAIN. Usually, a PL will have something important on it, like a town, terrain feature (ridgeline, forest) or transport choke (bridge, valley, highway access, even an airbase...). How you get to that place, on what singular axis of advance or many, is up to you during the team brief. But you have to secure it, against all comers, for say 5 minutes to be given the mission win and advance the to the next Phase Line goal. Say three mission 'days' to win the map or end the campaign. If you get to the last phaseline, you open a new map. As long as the fight goes forward, map to map, you keep earning 'CP' or Campaign Points. Which are a X10 modifier for RP. You can quit at any time, you don't have to play the whole campaign through (busy server, everyone wants to play), based on your remaining vehicles. If you want to TRY to keep playing you have to conserve your inventory because if you lose them, you can't fly or drive anymore. Which means no suicide runs and J-out. No more YOLO vendetta tag. You have to stay in the game to earn CP. If you make it to the end of the last map, then you get a nice cinematic (which changes, each month, depending on the map set used) and the machine logic tallies total CP for the win, and gives you whatever percentage your 'heroes tale' contribution was, for the game. Play 3 of 5 maps and last through the hardest map levels and you get more CP for the contribution, based on jets shot down or vehicles killed. But you also get a piece of the VP or Victory Point, bonus for EVERYONE'S kills vs. deaths as the LER or Loss Exchange Ratio. Multiplied by the inverse number of minutes it took you to get there. But ONLY IF your team wins. If they lose or it ends in a draw, nothing. No CP. No VP. To the victors go the spoils. And you have to be _really good_ to win. You play until it's time to go to bed and then, like Christmas, you awaken to discover whether your team carried or kneeled. Leaving you presents, via your combined CP/VP payout. And here is where you give the man a choice of his loot: a few silver lions to buy something new or many more RP to fully mod out his jet/tank/boat, whatever. The point being that this isn't gladiatorial level tournament play. It is riches by what you win, siezing territory to end the war, in victory, doing your part on a team. And you should be rewarded for that, whether by stick skills or tactical trickery. Not for some mercenary, Flying Tigers, 'dollars per kill' condition.

[@gamerboi5678]

@@xyz-hj6ul tbf i really like your idea mabye artillery can actually be used where players can call a strike where artillery players would fire.....also the air can have Air defence players on the lookout with alot more life......this is what i wanted the game to be NOT SOME CoD bs.......its realistic? i felt i was lied to tanks should spawn in line in a base which CAN be destroyed but it has heavy flak fire with actual explosions and not just sniper bullets . but my friend gaijin will not do this they just want to catch CoD players playing yolo games and yeah,......

[@xyz-hj6ul]

​@@gamerboi5678 I hear you. I would personally like to see a lot larger formations, specifically to discourage the spawn point dynamics whereby: If you have to start at X and advance forwards, and the game play has moved through three or four phaselines further up the road, all that time spent driving to the sound of gunfire is wasted. Even just a few seconds can be decisive. MINUTES are unacceptable. If you get hit and it's a physics-agrees kill, jump into your backup, which is an AI wingman tank at your left or right, like the Agents blinking into people in 'Matrix'. That gives you 2-3 tanks and maybe an Air Defense Vehicle to screw up with while still being _in the game_, contributing to the advance. Because you are right there, when the tank goes, you teleport to the next, 50ft away. It also discourages shoot and run back into the bushes sniping because if you ventilate the platoon commander, his people are going to be right there and _super pissed_. Not least the reincarnated (human) platoon commander! The AI would have to shoot as well as you do. Spot the tank, lase the tank, shoot the tank. BOOM! Half a second later, so do they. Miss the tank and at least half of your AI wingman will too. This is not a I-Win Button because the other side is doing the same thing. But if you are driving as a company formation of 4X4 platoon vehicles = 16 tanks, in a Company Team, the other guys are going to have to seriously think about whether holding that ridge is such a good idea, with two tanks. This will encourage team building so that people will run a quick team brief, 'Up the #1 combat lane, here to here, everyone in Alpha Company on point, second company five minutes behind lead. Push until they bleed.' And you'd better be there, shooting straight and keeping up. Or you won't stay on the team roster, for very long. You have decisive engagements. With battle boxes or chevrons of tanks moving out at top speed with either an all-up or a bounding overwatch as cover. And if you break through, then you can maybe choose to end the mission and regenerate _some_ not all of your vehicles. As the M548 rolls up with an M978 in tow and ammo gets passed as tanks are refueled. Before you move out and onwards. Or you can choose to fight the bottom half of your tank as your onboard ammo and push _really hard _to reach that next Phaseline. Artillery and MRL I am not so sure about. Simply because they can be so deadly, especially with cluster munitions. Blow off a track with GATOR. Put a foot deep hole in the engine bay with a DPICM. Completely random odds. But if the game is going really badly, I can see some kind of AI referee handing off a few salvoes of whatever to either shape the battlefield (not crossing this mined span mister) or attrite the enemy force. The key here is to make sure it's not a...I dunno. CHEAT CODE. I guess is the nicest thing I can say about it. Whereby a team that is losing because they are lousy players pull a couple of last-stand type actions which they know will cause the AI dump of the WT equivalent of a free cargo crate: 'Artillery Strike'. They should at least have to target it, with a helicopter or a Fast FAC or two guys on an ATV with a MULE designator (GPS, Laser Ranger, Secure Comms, to the TACFIRE CP, all in one). But from the armored perspective, if you work for it, you should get this- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKWtZXeXl9J9sJo So that you can stick your head out of the turret, look across and see Big Steel, Moving Fast. Feeling the wind as your tank flies without leaving the ground. As you kick your driver to go schnelingest and your kidneys scream 'Neeeeeiin!' as you rattle around the TC hatch but your big Leopard hears you and responds as a whisper in your soul- 'Sind Sie auch hungrig?' As the MTU883 goes up a gear, with a hum so deep you can feel it like a second heart beat in your chest. And suddenly you are WELL BEYOND the placarded 43mph. Javol. Must. Feed. Zee. Inner. German. !!!! Because you have fixed wings 50 miles out front, running interference against SU-34s, helicopters 10 miles out front, looking behind barns or 7-11s for enemy hide positions for Ka-52 or antitank teams. And a Roland 50 meters behind you, holding on for dear life, ready to deal with the leakers. And then the artillery splashes out and four of five tanks grind to a halt, two burning. As everything goes pear shaped. No, No, NOOOO! Tanks roaring across the open steppe, wind in the hair, sabot in the air! Big Cats leaping over hills! Frost in the beard. Orange Goggles turning everything to the color of Forest Fire. Don't take that away! Noooooooo!!! Of course, there are going to be moments when you crawl rather than sprint. And, defensively, a lot of tank battles are won in reverse gear. While Artie can suppress or blind the enemy with something like a mix of airburst and smoke, helping cover your approach or departure from distant thermals. As well or better than Barracuda MCS. But especially if you're on a count down timer and the final enemy defense belt is broken, you want to be able to MOVE, Bewegungskrieg style. To reach that last Phase Line and plant that VP flag as you win the micro-campaign. Whether you blow through their defenses or mount the schnorkel and pretend you're a submarine, to cross, further down the river. There should always be moments where, by map design, breakout or bypass, as player intuit, you start to use the mobility of the tank as a direct fires platform that simply outruns the prediction curve of your enemy. Like the Ardenne in 1940. And again in 1944. Or the big Left Hook in 1991. Go. Hard.

[@FishNamedWall]

@@xyz-hj6uli aint reading allat

[@BenjiiBee]

BRO They need to release the F/A-18 before we start talking about 5th gen lmaoooo

[@TheDanishGuy101]

Gaijin 2028: Play the brand new F/A-18 Playerbase: but we got f22's and the NGAD. No one want to play that old thing.

[@Panssaroitu]

When the 5th gens update would be propably like the air superiority update: few nations get different 5th gen and next major updates just fill up other nations with the first 5th gens like the air superiority update added the gripen and after that other sub trees got gtipens

[@horpet389]

Don't forget one big step before gen 5 I mean 120-c/d; r-77-1/m; PL-15; MBDA Meteor, R-37/37M, aim-9x; aim-132; IRIS-T, R-74, Python - 4/5, pl-10, mica-ir, darter-ir and so on and even an R-27EP! We kinda need those missiles. 5th gens will play against 4.5 consistantly, so at least early 5gens vs late 4.5s 5gens aren't going to be fun. Either it would be an OP or very hard to play because stealth might not work perfectly against radars, It would give fox3 a hard time when trying to go active (Stealth works better in mm range then in sm and dm). Don't wait for it, the most fun at top tier is RIGHT NOW

[@joshuamueller3206]

Can we appreciate for a moment that the Mirage 2000D-RMV is the most modern aircraft in the game. I think it is also the only vehicle in the game that has entered service post-pandemic.

[@DownHereInChile]

And runs on windows lol

[@mainhalo117]

@@DownHereInChileif it ain’t broke why fix it

[@handsomeivan1980]

Rafale C is a 2023 model

[@joshuamueller3206]

@handsomeivan1980 That is the F4 version, we have the F3, circa 2008.

[@conflictclips]

cough cough *crowdstrike* cough cough​@@mainhalo117

[@ZLEEP2324]

I mean, the meteor is a totally superior missile over the amraam in every way, so the f22s BVR edge is out the window, AESA radars can already detect stealth, and let’s say it’s realistic and they can only detect sub 60km, there’s no war thunder match that is bigger than 120km, also the spotting system would screw it so hard

[@swedishgamingOK]

5:22 the swedish airforce doesnt have f35 but maybe denmark can be a subtree?

[@norbeckz2840]

finland

[@norbeckz2840]

or norway

[@swedishgamingOK]

@@norbeckz2840 🧍‍♂

[@snookorsnek8688]

In my opinion we need next updates to focus on making larger maps for planes before we get any more planes, we also need more tanks better anti air and again more maps for all modes

[@thatdudefrom7118]

Finally finished researching every USSR aviation vehicle, I can finally play the game now

[@mapletreepower7038]

Dont you mean start a new nation

[@RockSeller01]

​@@mapletreepower7038 starting a new nation is more like it. But then you get to the point of having so many new nations it becomes a chore to update them with each new patch

[@jan-yu7sx]

Grind never stops!

[@Pookie539]

@@RockSeller01 not really

[@RockSeller01]

@Pookie539 yeah really. This winter I've had to unlock the Chinese mirage, the rafale, the f15i, still researching the f15e after getting the a10c and the f111F luckly Sweden didn't get anything else. And that just the air trees

[@Lvl100Boss]

I wanna see experimental versions of normal f4 and 4.5. Like f16 xl and su47 or f15 STOL/MTD. Also we 100% need more strategic bombers. B47 stratojet, b58 hustler, or even b52. We could literally have 8 different versions of b52s in the game

[@qltcn]

Yeah useless planes with no armament how cool is that!

[@King_killer-qz5su]

@@qltcn У нас в игре есть f117, хуже от добавления новой техники не будет.

[@KillerSniper55]

We are quite far. Right now AESA and PESA radars in game aren’t working as they should but we also need more 4.5 gen jets that can carry longer range missiles first.

[@kavinbala8885]

before 5th Gen fighters we will see thrust vectoring

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

we are gonna see that next patch, gaijin officially teased the Su-30.

[@kavinbala8885]

@seductive_fishstick8961 I hope they release it with thrust vectoring instead of being lazy. They way I think they will do it is have it such that when thrust vector control is at 100% if you press S (elevators) the nozzles will point in the corresponding direction with maximum deflection to turn you faster. and at 50% it would be 50% nozzle deflection and at 0 it would be 0%. unless the way it actually works in the plane is something else bc idk how it actually is controlled.

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

@@kavinbala8885 I really hope they just have a single button that engages/disengages it.

[@unoriginalname4019]

The su-30’s thrust vectoring will most likely be controlled the same way trim in sim is controlled as a su-30 can vector each engine at once so there will probably left engine right engine etc thrust vectoring with both being able to go from -100% to 100% on each engine individually

[@nobleman-swerve]

Oh this will happen 100%, it'll have a far less disruptive effect than stealth in air / ground RB. Low and post-stall maneuverability isn't exactly defining the meta lol.

[@baderq8ty99]

the biggest problem with WT air imo is the balancing, with every new increase in capability they only add 0.3 BR, at this rate we'll have typhoon tranche 4, F-16V, F-15EX and J-16 with AIM-9X, IRIS-T, PL-10, PL-15s, AMRAAM D and maybe even meteors at 14.3 or 14.7 max, with stealth at 15.0 which is just absurd we need a lot more decompression for both air and ground

[@DuckyyYuh]

My guess is it will go all the way to 18.0 rb due to that being the highest br that can be ingame right now be banned from usage in a custom

[@DuckyyYuh]

Br*

[@Hamid-MTA12]

Either late 2025 or early/ mid 2026

[@Hamid-MTA12]

Well that ofc if gaijin keep focusing on planes and air battles .

[@littletweeter1327]

@@Hamid-MTA12well why wouldn’t they? People throw ridiculous money at top tier

[@Hamid-MTA12]

@@littletweeter1327 cause its been 2 years now gaijin giving love to Air more than anything else . I think they would give at least some attention to other game modes especially after they announced in the forums QnA about showing some love to naval battles and ships this year . Also ground mains are kinda mad about the current meta and how OP the CAS is against them lol

[@Kami-sama.isekai]

@@littletweeter1327 Because there's a cycle that happens where Gaijin will focus one section of the game be that AIr, Ground or Naval

[@theannoyinghistorian1812]

@@Hamid-MTA12 Because it is a game about aviation. Everything else is just gaijin trying to expand their reach.

[@silentassassin3674]

gaijin needs to hold on the break , becase the speed wwe are advncing ingame is waaaay to quick , gaijin needs to first fix other gamemodes and add new ones (intresting ones) they need to add more cold war aircraft (very iconic) they could add su-15,f102,f106,f101,mig25,mig31,mig31D,Lavi

[@TheIrishBread]

imma disagree slightly, I think they should cap out airframes but not armaments, That leaves the upper limit delineated and lets you go back and do proper decompression while adding everything else. And it comes with the bonus of since everything is tied to air for BR we could actually work on decompressing the other trees aswell.

[@Batty23]

ima need my genie missile to do air to air nuking

[@ryanhodges2201]

@Batty23 I agree. Give us the Genie just make it restricted in ground battles so people don't whine about it

[@Hunter-rr5ue]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the snail went as far as adding 6th gen prototypes and concepts

[@sam-ej7sq]

its to be expected honestly, their whole business model is to add more advanced stuff. when everyone has a 5th gen, its only a matter of time before people start to look at 6th gen. even if they are just prototypes (like the chinese stuff)

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

Nah, they will only add them once they have been publicly shown flying. I could see the new Chinese 6th gens being added, aswell as NGAD once that's reveled.

[@Hunter-rr5ue]

@@seductive_fishstick8961 Idk, what do you think they are going to do once they run out of existing vehicles to add?

[@sam-ej7sq]

@seductive_fishstick8961 i mean, they added planes that never flew. Such as the r2y2. As long as they see money they will add them

[@paulsullivan237]

They already did this with tanks when they added the challenger 3 for britain which is still a prototype

[@spinosarcadegaming4538]

5th gen aircraft would be extremely hard to balance. There are only four types currently in service (F-22, F-35, J-20, and Su-57 - though the latter is debatably more a 4.5 gen jet than a true 5th gen), and they have some potentially problematic differences. Any unlucky 4th or 4.5 gen planes that get uptiered into this would be detected first and would likely all die to 5th gens on the opposing team. Next to be seen and shot down would probably be the Su-57s (if modeled correctly). Then everyone else would see each other roughly at the same time, likely near if not within the no-escape zones of missiles like the AIM-120C and PL-12. That would drive anyone who manages to escape the opening shots down to the deck, where 5th gens might be able to multipath the modern FOX-3s. So then you get low altitude dogfights and/or people popping up and smacking each other in the face with missiles from point-blank range. J-20s might do all right, F-22s would be fine, but the F-35s would get the short end, since they are too slow to catch or outrun a J-20 or F-22, have probably the worst maneuver capability of all the 5th gen jets, and don't carry internal FOX-2s. And that's all just in air RB, assuming Gaijin models it all correctly (we all know that's not going to happen). Ground RB might be easier to balance because the most common 5th gen would certainly be the F-35, and while it would be able to attack with near impunity in a stealth configuration, it wouldn't necessarily be that bad as long as it didn't have fire-and-forget weapons that can attack moving targets, like SPEAR 3s or StormBreaker. In stealth config they would only have a couple of bombs to play with if denied the aforementioned weapons.

[@stevenortiz9008]

I agree on the su-57 , since it isn't that great,it could be added soon and place on 14.0

[@landonfoster6367]

@@stevenortiz9008 Dude the Su-57 at 14.0 would obliterate anything in the game. I'd have to disagree with the comment above and say the Su-57 isnt as hopeless as people suggest.

[@Xhaxhixhu]

​@@landonfoster6367 no stealth whatsoever so not a proper 5th gen either

[@spinosarcadegaming4538]

@@landonfoster6367 That's highly unlikely unless Gaijin invokes their famous Russian bias with it. The Su-57 likely has a front aspect RCS similar to other 4.5 gen fighters like the Typhoon and Rafale, perhaps slightly better. It still wouldn't be that hard to detect. Essentially it would perform a lot like a faster Su-35 most likely, and that is an airplane that we could see in the game rather soon.

[@CosmicCraftingTV]

@@spinosarcadegaming4538 if anything the su-57 is a 4.5++ fighter, it gets bodied when compared to the j-20, f-22, and f-35, also i doubt 5th gens will even come since the only actual fifth gens would be the American and Chinese ones while every other country would just get a slightly worst f-35.

[@stevendowns4378]

5th gens should be put on hold until a 5th gen is ready for each nation. USA: F-22A and F-35s Germany: Has F-35s on order Russia: Su-57/MiG-1.44 UK: F-35B Japan: F-35A/B China: J-20/FC-31 Italy: F-35B France: Dutch F-35A Sweden: F-35A on order for Finland Israel: F-35I

[@oSileyCT-7212]

We also need a Rafale M F4

[@ruan21101]

I don't want them added to be honest. They can't even model the captor m correctly (nor are they seeming to be willing to buff it) because it is classified. Those planes will be a nightmare to make and to balance and most probably just result in another document leak that they won't use, and in case of the raptor most probably prison for the leaker. They are not willing to use unclassified documents that has been accessable for more than two decade ( I mean the Leclerc's better munition can pen 640mm of armor at 2km this is unclassified my the french military).

[@werdesook]

For your information, they are not creating exact 1 to 1 replica of the jets by using the blueprints of the jets, they are modeling them to look similar to the jet and they are using their own physics characteristics to make them balanced but also make them feel realistic, so the whole talk about classified documents is not even a point of argument is non existent.

[@werdesook]

Do you think they just make Eurofighter and Rafale documents publicly available for everyone? of course not, this is a game its not 100% true to realism, they balance the jets their own way.

[@ruan21101]

@@werdesook I know that they don't use classified documents. The problem I have is that they say they want to most realistic thing possible so if we can find public documents that they can use we should send them and they decide if it's true or not in their opinion yet somehow they make a better radar worse than an already existing one. (I only have the british tree maxed out in air but the Tornados radar is atleast twice better than the Eurofighter and can actually keep a lock) If they want to balance it than they should balance accordingly. Like give the fgr2 better missles so it can be on par with orther phantoms or remove some missle from "bad" planes and lower their br.

[@plazmaflare5199]

documents released on the F-22 are just guaranteed prison, fuck going to a military prison lmao

[@ruan21101]

@@plazmaflare5199 Where I am from there is no military prison. You go to the same prison where everybody else goes. So I don't really differentiate between the two. I meant military prison or whatever they are called.

[@jjkrayenhagen]

They need to add larger maps and the really long range missiles like the meteor and PL-15 and R-77M. Then add all of the fifth gen together.

[@doge151.]

if they add those then we need aim120D and Aim260

[@DavinParker-e7g]

As a person who plays the us as well i dont get you usa mains. The original comment said missiles “like” the ones he mentioned so why tf do yall everytime feel the need to include amraams when its pretty much implied in the original comment ? Lmao

[@DustyBustty]

@@DavinParker-e7gbecause everything has to be about them and if America isn’t the strongest every update they cry

[@oz314]

Dogfighting is overrated, strategic bombing needs to make a appearance in the top tier, give us something to protect/attack

[@DavinParker-e7g]

You completely missed with the first part of your comment but i agree with the 2nd half. Saying dogfighting is overrated is wild asf.

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

Yes it’ll be OP if modeled properly with virtually no counter but yall forget that the f22 is older than a good amount of the aircraft in game right now.

[@devisucarlo7922]

@@MichaelMoore-mx6id So OP if modelled correctly that it has no HMD, no IRST, it's RCS value would increase above mach 1.5 and if they'll ever decide to add an EW mechanic its EW technology would be more than two decades old. WOW, how "OP". Honestly it would be good just if as counters there won't be any updated F35s or Su57s. It should be added with early F35 versions and latest Su35 (without hypersonic AAMs otherwise they'd dominate on everyone) versions.

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

@ also the hypersonic AAMs wouldn’t do much against stealth technology. Yeah they’re fast but they can’t turn. so they’d need to get decently close to the f22 which at that point they wouldn’t even be useful

[@shadow_spark8788]

F-22 has no HMD, and its kinda critical, I think they can add it alone, and it would not be that big of a problem. And on top of that there's a little known physical effect that makes stealth unusable above Mach 1.5 (shockwaves are creating very large radar return in X-band). There's enough variables for the snail to balance it.

[@devisucarlo7922]

Shhh keep these informations for yourself otherwise US diehard fanboys will start crying and saying you're a russian bot😂

[@FunFishFacts]

I mean f-22 didn't have Hmd at first , in the 90's but it went through multiple modernization upgrades so it just depends what version gaijin adds , as we've seen they just add whatever version they want , not the earliest version , as in evident in the addition of the f-15E

[@devisucarlo7922]

@@FunFishFacts F22 didn't get through any upgrade beside its radar (it first had AN/APG77 then it got AN/APG77-V1) once the F35 was updated two decades ago (AN/APG77-V1 basically also used part of AN/APG81 radar technology which was the radar used in the F35), but that's still a two decades old radar. Later F35 variants are way more updated than the F22. F22 still lacks HMD and IRST. The only existing F22 is the F22A, no other variant exists. So now what i don't understand is... are you lying on purpose about the F22 or you just confused its prototype stage as if it was its early variant?

[@shadow_spark8788]

@@FunFishFacts It doesn't have HMD now, they want to add it in upcoming upgrade program along with an IRST, but it's years ... and probably billions of dollars away.

[@Nitzagoat]

Israel also lacks a 4.5 generation(in game) in real life we have the f16i sufa

[@zooloomods]

Like other nations that don't have 4.5 gen USA should get the Super Hornet or F-16V block70-72 Sweden Gripen E Russia the Su-30SM China the J-10B/C Japan the F-2 and Israel could have the F-15IA (F15EX) the F-16I ( F-16D Block 52)

[@Nitzagoat]

@zooloomods I know, buy in the video he didn't even talked about israel, he did talk about the us

[@hzmamiHBY]

we got su-57 before mig25/31

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

2025 is going to see the addistion of the worlds best 4.5/4.5+ gen jets, basically adding all the tech that will be on 5th gens, and early mid 2026 will see 5th gen. imo they are ether going to add F-22, Su-57, and J-20 and add F-35 later, or they will do Su-57, J-20, and F-35, and add F-22 later. I honestly think they will probably go with the first option tho.

[@fqeagles21]

F-22 later!??? No way

[@ryanbeach9925]

All I know is that GTA VI releases December 2025 which takes major priority over anything related to war thunder

[@derbe8647]

i hope it wont be dogshit

[@ryanbeach9925]

@ has to be at least better than war thunder lol

[@Rek1emMScar]

I feel like this year (2025). Gaijin will add more 4.5 gen aircraft. Maybe a naval rafale, Su-30sm and Su-35s. Maybe F-15ex. Super hornet. And in the 2026 gaijin will be obligate to introduce 5gen. After that there is much to be add but Prototypes with weirds Stats.

[@sonny2dap]

Depends on Gaijin but I could see them hitting pause on the full gen upgrades for a bit and maybe have some release cycles with experimental craft for various nations Su47, x29 etc.

[@alexmercer_6356]

What we need rn are bigger maps or less players in air rb, bcs it feels like dogshit

[@Fjallkloka_Aventyr]

My issue with the game is that so much relevant tech is not modelled yet. As in EW, sensor fusion, datalink and more. Which means that everything that makes up a BR is Only 3 things, Flight performance, armament and radar / rwr. Looks like stealth is coming into play too but my point is there are many jets that are not realistically "br'd" because of this, look at Gripen. the C should be at 14.0 if modelled correctly. And as we get 5th gen stuff it will become even more apparent. I think they'll add the Raptor first, but then we'll probably have meteors and better Electro optical systems, hopefully EW / jamming too and the raptors flight performance and stealth will be countered by these other factors. Su30 and other jets aren't much behind in 1v1 maneuvering either so as long as they model jets to their fullest potential the field across nations should be balanced. Maybe they'll add Ai Awacs to counter stealth.

[@5_mxt]

Gaijin has to stop players from leaking documents first

[@thatdudefrom7118]

The F-22 Raptor and the Su-57 are the sexiest aircraft ever created hands down

[@fqeagles21]

Add YF-23 Too

[@troy_pl1138]

yep... and only Raptor is the real stealth jet xDDD

[@fqeagles21]

@@troy_pl1138 YF-23 Stealth was comparable

[@handsomeivan1980]

​@@troy_pl1138 I love how us patriotic heartstrings really brainwashed people on jets

[@stevenortiz9008]

​@@troy_pl1138 wow so sigma, your Hindu family is proud of you

[@coca-cola4871]

I think the solution to adding 5th gen’s and fixing the cas problem is a system like squad, where a team is limited based on amount of vehicles- if we got a new game mode where it was 5th gen vs 4th gen it could be like 3 5th gen players and 15 4th gen’s- and for aa we make it so there can only be like 3 aa’s up max and like 2 or 3 planes- this could work with all br’s for vehicles like the tiger two and tiger vs like 20 3.3 Sherman’s or somthing like that

[@abdcegamboa6865]

Imagine if instead of just adding the f-22 and f-35 they also added the yf 23 💀

[@Elturbo157]

Such a nice event vehicle it would be

[@HeinrichDerGrosse1298]

They definitely need to add more gamemodes for air rb And the most important thing is that they make bigger maps, I want a map that is as big as Germany or Italy or France Or just imagine a map of Switzerland or Austria, with these Giant 3.000m mountains Or maybe even some maps that include complete Western Europe with Britain, France, Spain And for the gamemodes, what about a mode where a few people are in bombers and a few in interceptors and maybe even a few in tankers and these radar scout planes, for jet tier we would need to wait for something like a b52, b1 or b2 And then you need to either intercept the bombers or defend the bombers And maybe the bombers even have nukes

[@ArtSniper_01]

Am I the only one who would love to see some planes like the OV-10 bronco and other conter insurgency plane at BR between 8.7 and 10.0 or 10.3? Theses are super cool turbo propeller with good ait to ground ordonnance...

[@justjake1038]

Happy new year folks

[@ryanhodges2201]

I personally hope at least 3 years, maybe more. Go back and fill out lower brs and decompress. There should probably be like 2 whole brs of just subsonic gunfighters with no missiles or only MCLOS and Beam Riders in the last .3 or so. Give us our Supersonic interceptors like the SU-11, F-101, F-106, CF-105, Mig-25 and early mig-31, Tu-128. The Mig-31 can wait maybe but the others should have come a few years ago. The fact we have the F-15E and not the F-106, F-101 or Mig-25 is proof to me that they went too fast. On the topic of interceptors, rework Air RB into something other than a big dogfight furball. Give us multiple spawns, 6 or 10 bases of different sizes, actually impactful ground battles. Imagine if the Ai ground targets would set up static AA after they win a battle and would thus give strike aircraft a genuine mission. None wants a Flak 88, Patriot or Roland in the middle of the map. Give us different bases with different defenses, such as FOBs with light Manpads or 20mm light AA and then have full on industrial bases guarded by SPAA like the Tunguska or ADATS giving a reason for High Altitude bombers to go after these targets instead of fighters like the F-4 or Mig-23. This would also give a reason for the current heavy bombers like the B-29, Tu-4, Yer-2, and all those big bombers with no purpose right now and open the door to new big bombers. Imagine how much money Gaijin could make with a B-52 or a Tu-160. Not to mention other big boys like the Tu-142, B-2, XB-70, M-4, B-36, B-47, B-50, B-58, and the V-Bombers (Vulcan, Victor, Valiant). All of these would probably make some people go pick up premiums or even just GE their way up the tech tree to fly them.

[@RedXlV]

Can't wait to see how comically better the Su-57 will be in War Thunder than in reality.

[@airlightshockZOV]

Its really over hated, if you look at its capabilities its actually a very good aircraft

[@nobleman-swerve]

@airlightshockZOV So good that India had to completely bail out of the program for failing to produce a competitive 5th generation airframe apparently. They'd rather fly a Rafale than a SU-57, and that should really tell you something.

[@RedXlV]

@@nobleman-swerve India (who's still working on making their first 4.5 gen fighter) looked at the Su-57 and decided "we can make a better 5th gen than this on our own."

[@nobleman-swerve]

@@RedXlV India that bought Rafale instead! Embarrassing isn't it, to see Russia's best possible efforts effortlessly swatted away by a 90's French Jet! Meanwhile CHINA is flying 6th generation fighters! Frankly I find it sad to see just how far into abject irrelevancy Russian's aerospace has fallen. Who cares about their rockets? Who cares about their planes? Absolutely no one!

[@airlightshockZOV]

@ that was when it was the T-50, and also india bailed out because it was too expensive, please, before spewing bullshit, do research or atleast lie believably

[@camilorodriguez5602]

for japan they could pull an f16aj and give them the yf-23, since they are currently working in a local modernization of the platform

[@Garuda1_talisman]

When they release the F-2, we need a chilling reveal, something on par with or better than the F-16 reveal, to do the Viper Zero justice.

[@hendersonfisher2743]

My one problem with this video is the F-22 was a 1999 jet, every other original non American stealth jet is from the 2020s it’s just not fair.

[@neniAAinen]

Rafale is already the latest possible, lol(though kinda castrated). For WT reality, all jets with modern infrareds in some significant quantity(2-4) will likely hold their role, even if as underdogs. F-22 is a jet with limited WVR(two sidewinders max, no HUD, no spherical vision), so ironically it may not change all that much compared to that F-15E do with air realistic.

[@oSileyCT-7212]

The in-game Rafale isn't the latest version irl

[@neniAAinen]

@oSileyCT-7212 it is. The only later one is f5. It doesn't exist yet.

[@Ricktheminer]

There could be a balance factor: The F 22 (until now they receive them) doesn't have an HMD

[@wapniak666]

thats such a minor thing tho lol

[@Ricktheminer]

@wapniak666 not when everybody else has it

[@wapniak666]

@Ricktheminer sure, if everyone else has aircraft of similar performance to f22 but with hmd But that wont be the case

[@Janno32_]

The current missile range would nerf the F-22, but it would still be overpowered.

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

HMD quite literally doesn’t matter. If you get close enough that you need an HMD with the f22 you’re just an idiot

[@yugirambo6762]

Happy New Year! Mat.

[@PaPaFiggy69]

Id say about at most mid 2026 at most with non hmd F-22 a.i.m-120c-5 to at most a.i.m-120 c-7

[@IbouFall-tf4vp]

I feel like we are most likely going to get meteors and/or AIM-120C way before we get the first 5th gens (unless there are maybe some non-stealth ones).

[@JamesCZFEA]

We are still very far from the F22. AESA radars that 4.5 gens use currently mostly negate stealth at the distances seen in warthunder. They would need to come first

[@startled_squid]

The problem for something like the SU57 is it's too bad to go up against 5th gens like the f35, but it's still far too modern to go up against 4th and 4.5th gen aircraft

[@OddElephantLTU]

Gaijin is running out of planes to add. SU-30/35 for russia, F-18, F-15EX(really stretching it) for US, F-2 for Japan and possibly a few more i'm missing. But unless they milk the aircraft by adding C/D/F variants every update, they're gonna need to start looking at 5th gen which will not take long. I think 5th will come Q3 ish 2025 unless they decide to do like 3 updates this year.

[@BlackAssBilly]

I still think we're quite far away now is the year for some dope and not so dope experiments I really hope we get the f6f with the XAAM-2 Sparrow

[@Honoer]

Well ill tell you what will happen. The f22 will be added with the su57 which is crazy if you think about it. Because there’s an almost 30 year difference between these 2 planes! But it’s normal for American jets, always fighting planes decades newer than them.

[@GoopGoop66]

For the us fighters i think we would get the f14D, yf17 (maybe), most of the f18 variants before the us gets a 5 gen

[@R3APP3R66]

They do need to figure out how they are going to balance the maps and missles if they do decide to go 5th gen currently gaijin has decided to release vehicles and aircraft that are "fairly recent" and well as we've seen absolutely game and era breaking

[@Captn_Meep]

F-35 would be great especially with the different variants available. However if the su-57 is added then the f-22 should be included as well. Or even the f-18A/E

[@makslegion4962]

USSR MIG-1.44/1.46 USA YF-22/23

[@qltcn]

USA YF-23 - no armament, dead on arrival. F-22 - no HMS, dead on arrival. F-35 - will be outperformed by Mig 17, dead on arrival.

[@arifdlgr]

I don't think we will get 5th gen any time soon because there are not many options. 3 countries producing them and couple of them trying to

[@cheemzboger5999]

Its gonna be prototypes like fb-22 and Mig-MFI

[@su-57_]

The fb-22 wasn't even a prototype

[@F22fighterbomber34fake2]

Mig wifi

[@Falseffort]

they might add electronic warfare to the game with 5gen aircraft

[@andrefilho6518]

My thoughts, though there are problems with this... 2025 Q1 F/A-18 (practically everyone) + SU-30 (rus) -> Q2 Sub-tree improvements -> Q3 armament improvement (maybe long range missiles like meteor for everyone except US) + new J10 -> Q4.1 new missions -> Q4.2 TEASE LAUNCH on the end of the year of the YF-22 or F-22 (early) as event/squadron vehicle, with the excuse of compensating for the lack of long range missiles Note: 2025.Q1 and 2025.Q2 could be swapped 2026 Q1 something minor + balancing of 5th gen (maybe even a kind of buff for 4.5 gen) -> Q2 F-22(B or 'late') (us) + SU-57 (rus) + J20(china) + F-35(practically everyone else) -> Q3 -> Q4 2025.Q4 or 2026.Q1 could have a new 'datalink' mechanic. Maybe a new mission format where each team's AWACS would provide data to player until destroyed I hope that they would eventually launch the YF-23 or F-35C as premium for US Like this US would have a VERY strong fighter, but no air-to-ground in 5th gen (until premium F35C or a B2 patch) but everyone else would.

[@andrefilho6518]

F-22 early would have 2x 9Ls and 4x 120As, with 4.5 having 9Xs and 120Bs. Late version would have the same as 4.5

[@f22rnavy89]

I see what you're saying and can agree with some of it. What I will say is that there was some minor miscommunication. First, all F-35 variants can carry air-to-ground ordinance. Two, the F-22 only has an A variant but it does have block upgrades. Different blocks come with either new ordinances or electronic components if I am not mistaken. The latest blocks are 30/35 (it represents the most advanced configuration with upgraded radar, weapons, communication systems, and improved cockpit displays.) Lastly, but not least the F-35 C being a premium. I disagree with and or have doubts. Reason one is that Gaijin tends not to put premiums in the last rank. However, if they were, the F-35 C is a Naval variant of the F-35 program and would be stationed in the tree under the naval fighter line (under F-14s, F/A-18s). This would leave aircraft like the iconic YF-23 to be a premium or the prototype FB-22 which was an idea to make a bomber based on the F-22 platform.

[@rev_snipes_alldayzlife5455]

How you gonna have 15 people in f35s or f22s they will have to have some kind of smaller match thing that works

[@troy_pl1138]

F22 vs old russian Su27 xDDD

[@rev_snipes_alldayzlife5455]

@troy_pl1138 I'd be ok with that lol

[@DavinParker-e7g]

Ofc you would i dont get why yall complained so much about “russian bias” 🤡 when every knows usa will eventually become the powerhouse its funny truly

[@N-A762]

The only thing I want is new game modes. I dont care if matchmaking takes 5 minutes

[@Jonathan-bu7iv]

There's no way they stop lol. It's the only thing keeping the game going. God knows it's not the excellent gamemodes they have developed over the last 10 years.

[@Vipbossguy]

we need ECM before 5th gen

[@XMS-13]

Game still isn't ready for FOX-3 missiles you talk about next gen already lol

[@xDerHunterHeli]

And we have like a few 4.5 gen Jets like bro... What this point its basically just BS

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

5th gen before Mig-25 confirmed

[@Kenedienz]

I feel like they would have to wait until when like, all the countries have 5th gens and that is NOT soon, because as of now, Germany, Britons, France, Italy, @ Sweden, do NOT have 5th gens yet. what I DO wanna see is the F-18, and F/A-18.Not only that, but everyone wants to see these planes. not only that but a ton of nations 'sub trees could get them as the F/A-18 and F-18 have been granted to multiple countries. (Finland, Canada, Spain, Australia (I think the Canadian f-18 would probably have to be a premium.) Yet, there are some exceptions, like the Turkish, and South Korean, which COULD be added to the Italian tree, and the Japanese tree, what we also could see is the F-22 with the pylon configuration, not only that but China gets their J-2, and Russia has the Su-57 Desregard Italy.

[@Hunter-rr5ue]

Don't they have F-35 or are in a process of acquiring it?

[@mich421]

Italy has the F-35s, including the vertical take-off ones

[@Pioneer_DE]

Germany, Britain, Italy, Japan, Israel have F-35s. And Sweden could get Norways or Finlands F-35s but I get your point.

[@TylerJC40]

But the is one key thing that your forgetting, it that gajin added fox 3’s to one nation and no one else for at least 3-4 patches, AKA the F-14A&B and the Aim-54A&C Phoenix so something eerily similar could happen with 5th gen fighters were they add in something in the category that super powerful and slowly power creep it out by replacing it for the nation that had it and then adding other nations equivalents if they have/had it

[@TylerJC40]

@@Hunter-rr5ueyes Japan does have f-35s I believe it’s the A variant but I saw a picture of a F-35 on one of their ships so it seem they have acquired one of the naval variants probably the VTOL B variant given how they don’t have traditional aircraft carriers like the US and instead theirs is something more similar to the British queen Elizabeth carrier

[@silentassassin3674]

2027 and that realistic

[@Kokoda144]

I think theybwill add the F35 before the F22 since many countries got f35 and the Russian and Chinese is somewhat comparable. I am not sure they will even add the f22 since this game isn't about timelines of vehicle development but rather balance. I am thinking AsSM and countermeasures next November, or submarines rather than gen 5 jets

[@panchocazuelas6179]

We need more gamemodes whats the point of more modern planes when the game play is the same has 3 years ago.. Destroy Carrier group, bombers in ww2, etc.

[@w1zz0k12]

Where would they go once they’re caught up to today’s vehicles? Do we think they’ll move into future stuff or?

[@tarktekkanat1968]

Gaijin works on planes for 1.5 years and on the tank side there is no new things just premiums maybe they need to think there is tank and naval players im not naval guys but they need something

[@Grlexcan]

They wont add gripen e this year, it is simply to advanced. Best radar irl, some stealth capabilities, supercruise, insane ew, best missiles, very good survivability and countermeasures. It simply wont be added because the technology is to advanced.

[@zsolim13]

Imo they should add 5th gen in that order: F-22/Su-57 next patch J20 and lastly F-35s and J-35

[@theDarkside798]

Considered going from Gen 4 to Gen 4.5 i guess we see Gen 5 End 2025 to mid 2026 if they keep the speed.

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

Depending on how fast they add / if they skip upgrades well probably seen them ether winter patch of 2025 or early/mid 2026

[@jonesy66691]

I'm still surprised they haven't added the F-18

[@user-hp5ob8yv9y]

The last few updates were for planes give us ground!

[@G0dzilla971]

i imagine only pantsir and a freak accident with a r73 will be able to compete with 5th gen planes obviously

[@xDerHunterHeli]

Bro we barely have any 4,5 Gen Jets wtf

[@troy_pl1138]

in game we have only rafale and EF... only 2 gen 4.5 so...

[@oSileyCT-7212]

​@@troy_pl1138 Rafale F3R is barely 4.5 gen

[@legeraviation]

We’ll get 5th gen aircraft before they fix the mach cone placement

[@f1fan806]

F-22 doesn’t have HMD so that limits the aircraft relative to the F-35 which has much better avionics and has HMD, but worse flight performance. So the step to 5th gen would likely start with F-22 and SU-57

[@zelachotv8940]

So should i stay with america as planes main?

[@Mr_Lukasgrim]

If they add the F-22, it will be only USA vs USA anyway for most battles. But i dont really care since i dont even play toptier lol. I just dont enjoy the Fox-3 madness

[@DavinParker-e7g]

I get it and youre right. Thats why i never understood why people bitch about russian bias lol

[@victormorales8990]

just add a couple more flanker,s f/a-18c, f-14D, and call it a day for the year, we need new game modes. CAS / bomber/ helicopter aircraft are still like orphans in the game they don't have a real home, just side objectives in air rb that puts them in a lot of danger. and in ground rb they promote a very unhealthy player behavior of everyone just rushing to an aircraft or helicopter

[@Zutin177]

do you think they will add a Brazilian Gripen E to italy if sweden gets a gripen E?

[@leohemmings324]

Cant wait for the raptor at 14.3 in 16v16 matchmakers

[@saltysteel3996]

The devs already have the F22 modeled.

[@TheNewOrder-DaysOfConflict]

Let remember: EF-2000 is 4.5th gen, so we maybe will expect for the 5th in 2026

[@PotatoBreadYum]

i'll be disappointed if i can't play the f35 but im so ready for su57/75 or any of the sukhoi fighters

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

The su57 would have a RCS of a clean super hornet and the Su75 is only a mock up

[@theironwolf1871]

​@MichaelMoore-mx6id Su 75 will be the only thing close to a 5th Gen russians can get lol, seeing that the 57 is basically a glorified 4.5 gen, even it's AESA is shit compared to those installed on planes like the F-2 and Rafale

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

@ tell Russia to make better planes and stop waging war for stupid reasons destroying their economy

[@PotatoBreadYum]

@@MichaelMoore-mx6id i mean for me i don't care that much, i just really love the su57 and think they look sexy.

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

@@PotatoBreadYum I think it’s just a cheap copy of the f22 as China does to every fighter on the planet. Yeah it looks nice but it’s really been bad in practice for them

[@S11-sa]

Can u talk about the F15SA and if it may comes to the game ?

[@F-15E_StrikeEagle]

they need to focus on cold war jets and ww2

[@troy_pl1138]

nobody who already has top jets doesn't care about earlier era jets xd

[@masonmonroe4336]

@@troy_pl1138 most seasoned top tier player don’t actually play top tier. It’s too brain dead

[@tyykthunder]

@@masonmonroe4336not true I have 7,000 hours and I love playing top tier

[@qltcn]

Fox 1 gameplay is more brain dead, climb, launch head on, whoever launched first win. With Fox 3s you actually need to learn how to fly in antipode, notch, multipath, when to use chaff, etc

[@F-15E_StrikeEagle]

@@qltcn i meant early cold war

[@SagesFury]

Give us the mig 1.44 with the f22. It was very far into development and should be feasible

[@Tomdertomas]

I think that the second or first patch 2026 will come the f22 and su 57 and after that the f35 and j 20

[@dassatisfan]

instead of new models they should first add all important functionality to existing planes and make a more forgiving matchmaking for gods sake

[@Watermeloncat575]

And you all thought f14 range was bad the f35 will be sniping you from last match

[@141menace]

F-15EX sniping u from mars with 22 amraams

[@Watermeloncat575]

@141menace have you done the most basic research on the radar of the f35 and f15

[@141menace]

@@Watermeloncat575 an/apg-82 has more range than the an/apg-81

[@Watermeloncat575]

@141menace that's fair but the f15 can only carry 12 amraams same as f35 and f35 can also jam the enemy radar and hack enemy missles while telling every friendly plane your exact location without ever being seen and to be far 30km more range is nice but when you only have 30 ish miles of range on your missile it really only notify you the enemy is there a little earlier

[@141menace]

​@@Watermeloncat575 f-15ex can carry quad racks on its wing pylons and dual racks on its belly, which equals to alot more than 12 amraams, f-15ex has jamming too, also the aim-120d has a range of about 60ish miles not 30, it can also carry the aim-174 aswell with a range of about 150 ish miles