When WOW banned player for their own mistake

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[@anthonybucci3337]

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[@Outscal]

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[@iv4nGG]

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[@stonephonerogue]

​@@Outscal you're promoting a product as you described it. Most of those programs are incredibly overpriced and you're just promoting it for a buck to poor victims.

[@lunevermeil1400]

Please give more details

[@jameslemon9544]

I would never tell a soul. But there would be signs. Murlocs everywhere would die instantly on spawn.

[@Foxr-]

Fr you think they would have been more subtle about using it instead of just beating high level raids left and right lol

[@WadaZable]

This is the most casual noob comment ive read in a while

[@punk6119]

You don't need to tell anyone. They have data on everything you do in game. And have teams that review it.

[@justinmadrid8712]

@@ksadjdadjaifenWell if it only had 100 charges, you would still need a guild to help you clear trash.

[@Forsaken0u812]

I sense a disturbance in the force. As if millions of of murlocs Mmmmgurrglrrrld at once and were suddenly silenced.

[@nanachimakenshi2512]

Slight correction. Yes the item was used to help the guild progress through the raids but that was not how Blizzard found out. They found out because the item was used in freaking PVP. Back in WOTLK, Alterac Valley was one of the Battlegrounds that could take hours, even literal days to finish. Karate Chop's guild went into one AV match and nuked the enemy team before rushing to the objective while everyone was respawning. This was obviously reported and that's when Blizzard looked at all the backlogs. They were under the radar up until they used it on other players.

[@drumlineking07]

I didn't know about them using it in PvP lol what a bunch of assholes

[@huntsclan001]

Personally that changes the narrative for me a bit.

[@Zeknif1]

Correction, the hours to days long AV matches ended with Patch 2.3 during Burning Crusade. I do believe however that it wasn’t uncommon for a single AV match to last an hour at the start of WotLK as Blizzard tried tinkering with reinforcement counts and penalties for the start of the match and achieving certain objectives. However, by the time of the Martin Fury Incident, you’d only see 30+ minute matches if Horde turtled at IBGY… and only in one or two of the battlegroups, in most battlegroups, the Alliance players learned how to break the IBGY turtle quickly and reliably, often resulting in the Horde just taking more time to lose and with less a chance of winning than just going for the rush, while at least one battlegroups had Alliance players going into other battlegroup forums trying to organize a game-wide Alliance boycott of AV only to be told by their contemporaries in other battlegroups to L2P.

[@TehOneTrewIdjut]

I started to call them idiots but I was reminded of my own stupid behavior that got me banned from a private server. When you first go into Northrend there are these bats on a beach and a quest to catch them with nets. Well, when I finished the quest it didn’t delete the net and I realized that I could cast it on anyone at any time anywhere in the world, and if there was a space under the map it would throw them under there, sometimes with no option to get out other than use their hearthstone or something similar. At first I only used it on higher level players who were camping me, but then I realized that you could select a player and go anywhere in an area out of sight and cast it. I spent days in Stormwind just dropping people under the map. When I got banned, I actually asked for them to give me a break. Nope. I didn’t deserve one either haha.

[@kadrikarakoc807]

@@huntsclan001 a bit? if that comment is true, video is basically bullsiht .D

[@paul123703]

Damn Blizzard ignoring backlash? Sounds Familliar.

[@justinperry8445]

This was when they were good too damn

[@yeahitsmesofkinwhat]

What backlash? Sure some people were like "that's kinda fucked up" but that's about it. Stop clutching your pearls.

[@mehmet-erol]

Bugs are happening due to game devs, owners right? however exploting them is still cause for ban. this situation is no different

[@StonedElk420]

​​@@mehmet-erolbut it wasn't a bug, it was an error on blizzards employee. The account should have been banned for a week or a few weeks and that employee punished properly.

[@TheGuchster]

They ignore all player feedback, so this tracks.

[@christophergreensides1410]

Second most famous Leroy in WOW history. Haha 😂

[@stigmurder99]

Amateur 😤

[@joshberg2680]

Leroy thing is dumb as fuck

[@mikecrosier6248]

I bet there isn't that many who remembers the original Leroy 😮😂

[@DJB0X3R]

Leeeroooy Jenkins!

[@alexistaylor969]

@@mikecrosier6248 I remember him from day one, and also remember getting hate when I said, you know this is clearly staged right, and the acting is horrible because they are Alliance.

[@stijndebacker9985]

The sword of a thousand truths

[@user-skankhunt4242]

Son of a bitch, beat us to it

[@gnomerebel]

More like 14 truths apparently 😉

[@gdfgaming97]

Quiet Thomas, we aren't to even speak of that sword

[@linkedorder1589]

STAAAN

[@edward41491]

How do I open my inventory?

[@brave_towel9045]

If I got an item like that, I’d probably sell it to a merchant for 6 silver without reading the description first

[@nate6561]

Same dude

[@mgtow346]

I'm an a NPC merchant. Best I could do is 7 copper.

[@zambekiller]

Auction house is where it would end up in today's WoW

[@iceerush1549]

@@zambekiller black market auction house but its rarer than the brutosaur so we never see it lol

[@ThreeXIFan]

​@@iceerush1549I always wondered if WOW had a black market...

[@Flies_the_limit]

A 24 hour ban isn't a ban. It's a suspension. It's like saying life in prison. Until tomorrow.

[@kyuven]

There's no distinction in most modern vernacular because nearly every ban is mechanically a suspension just with an impossible expiration date, and ban sounds harsher.

[@rusty5846]

I can tell you have no friends

[@wilFluffball]

​@@kyuvenfine. They were suspended from the game for a day. The guild leader was expelled for life. We can use school discipline terms.

[@Dysue]

@@wilFluffball Good job student. A+ on the pure art I've witnessed from you today.

[@redpheonix1000]

It's also usually called a tempban, though

[@craven1906]

They weren't banned to hide a mistake. They were banned for exploiting an obvious mistake instead of doing the right thing.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

could have jusat reverted the loot drops and completions... ... ulduar... literally time where most people quit and saw the writing on the wall how this game going down the drain.....

[@mufasa5851]

​@@Microphunktv-jb3kj Apparently they only got caught because they started using it in pvp

[@tnecniw]

@@Microphunktv-jb3kj Going down the drain... 16 years ago. :P Still the biggest MMO.

[@TheIncognitusMe]

The notion that Blizzard deserves some kind of backlash for, while working to restore someone’s deleted account, accidentally giving his account an item he shouldn’t have that he then used to cheat, is hilarious. I guess Blizzard should have rewarded him, right? Idiots.

[@faellyss]

@@tnecniw bigest ? lol no wow as an average number of 8-9million player a month FF14 lowest number for a month over the last 4 year was more than 14 million best was 33million wow just have more dead account so they claim a huge number of player but that's shit

[@bentobul5932]

If I ever got an item like that, no one would have ever known.

[@jambo061]

Yes they would. Because you’d use it.

[@peterkent6250]

@@jambo061 Using it was the issue. Using it on world first kill bosses was. There is a lot of data in wow. They only can see what they look for hence why gold selling happens.... So using it wouldn't matter if you kept it low key. No one would notice you farming dungeon bosses using it unless you got reported or they looked.

[@tommiejohansson962]

Yeah you could farm raid content trash for stuff to sell without anyone knowing

[@ExaltedwithFail]

Literally what the other guy said. Blizzard doesn't know it's used unless they check the log from a specific fight and using it on world first kills is stupid. Devs literally go ghost mode watching raid teams doing world firsts to watch what they are doing. If the item was kept quietly and used for dungeons, old raids and trash stuff it's safe

[@pewpewguy8075]

back to 2017, I believe it was 7.3.5 and unfortunately, I found bug in stratholme, killing nerubian mobs while 0% haste gives insta kill, the dps is insane it was like 9999999. I rarely use that character to avoid devs attention. I left that character to rot after using 5, 6 times in HC EN and some low m+ the bug gone when patch changed to ABT It was really fun and only two of my guildmates know

[@covahredro8370]

If they hadn't gone for getting world firsts(as blizzard heavily monitors such attempts and so do epeeners). They most likely would have gone unnoticed and continued to enjoy using the item.

[@SGT_Stubby]

Doubtful, but possible. This, being a GM-only item would definitely show up in logs on use. Anyone monitoring when and where they're used (including what was killed, which is probably also logged) would take notice that a non-GM account was abusing it. They'd get caught eventually.

[@markfuston2714]

@@SGT_Stubby It would depend on how the logs were formatted. Like, if they showed they were killed by that specific item maybe, but if it just listed the enemies being killed and took research to find out how they were killed it's possible it would have been overlooked for awhile.

[@miriamweller812]

@@SGT_Stubby They got millions of players, they don't view all the logs. As long as they wouldn't have done anything with an impact on other players, they could have had a chance to get away with that exploit.

[@White_Night_Demon]

@@SGT_Stubby so then hack their servers to delete logs when item is being used.

[@Valliecane]

@@SGT_Stubby Incorrect, you can confirm this by running private clients from that time. There is no special loging for such an event, the game just have it as any other skill, as they were assumed to be unable to obtain the item to begin with. And there is no GMs monitoring the logs of every player, specially not when there were milions of players back in Wotlk. Now if someone reported it, and they thought it worth the effort to investigate, they would find it right away.

[@Mennoth123]

You missed out the whole part where they used the item to claim several world first completions for raids. Something that is hotly contested in the WoW community to the point there are competitions with sponsorships and prizes to get them. It wasn't just a "few raids" it was a whole competition and massive game event they fucked up by using the item.

[@timk8869]

And? If the item was obtained through not hacking and only bc of blizzards error, then the user can't rly be at fault

[@yeeyw]

@@timk8869the devs giving the item is their fault, but the user exploiting said item and not immediately reported it is the user fault

[@TerranMonarch]

@@timk8869relax, the dude was explaining how big of a game changer the item was and what stakes were actually affected

[@dicer1487]

@@yeeyw wow players kek bottin gon ah but crying about small stuff like (world first raids who even cares)

[@AllesandroOhNo]

Yup they abused it and got rightfully punished 😂 knew exactly what they were doing

[@yourmaorigamer6076]

fair enough tbh, player abused the mistake. It wasn't the player's fault that he HAD the item, but it was entirely his doing by using it when he shouldn't have the access to

[@grant3933]

"OK, LETS DO THIS! LEEEEEEROOOOOOOY SPEEEEEEEELTZ!"

[@nojabhere]

Leeeeeeroooooy Karate chop 😂

[@MissxLariz]

I immediately thought of this 😂

[@captnluis7271]

I was looking for a comment like this.

[@stigmurder99]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Robhyer]

Leroy is fake

[@pokebreederrichard1200]

His character came back to get revenge in south park

[@ACEnBEAKY]

Lol 😆 happy 4th

[@colynrobinson212]

Nope, that was a cartoon rendition of the cinematic director of blizzard

[@darscer5682]

@@colynrobinson212thors dad?

[@Viveka_Norge]

Someone wrote they got caught by using it in PvP which makes sense and this is the issue with power like this. Whether it be video games or in person most people with power get greedy and it always leads to their down fall.

[@Careidina342]

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

[@seath8055]

Reading about the story several times from several sources, this is the first and only time I've ever heard it being used for PVP. What happened from all other accounts was that they were using it to speed through Ulduar and get world firsts when it was first released. Big giveaway was some of the achievements that were mutually exclusive due to how you had to fight the boss... unless you were able to one-shot it like they did.

[@Viveka_Norge]

@@seath8055 interesting, always cool to hear another version.

[@double_joseph327]

It only had 100 charges. Using it in PvP would be stupid. They got caught for using in it raids and having the fastest clearing times

[@JasonPruett]

@@Careidina342 agreed so if the universe presents you with cosmic power its obviously a trap

[@psychelicious5003]

Deserved. It was absolutely (and clearly) an exploit. Does not matter where you got the item, you know you’re not supposed to use it and no amount of pretending you’re stupid will convince me otherwise.

[@ThePhrozenOne]

I was in an area of the map (Uldum) when the server went down for maintenance,when I came back, I was surrounded by tons of high-level npcs and a mountain wall, I ran around killing them till I died then i got banned. that area wasn't supposed to be open for a week.

[@Senok13]

That one was their mistake, and you should report it - if you would read the patch news, probably could figure it out, that that place you shouldn't be yet. If you report their mistake, you wouldn't get banned.

[@ThePhrozenOne]

@Senok13 they could have just ported me out when the server came online. it was just desert. like if (player = x,y) then teleport to (x,y) and kept it in place till launch of the area

[@xPlottzx]

​@@ThePhrozenOnethey were porting, then we used to hop on the edge of mountains of uldum few days before release. Then have warlock wander uldum looking for monsters using eye of kilrog, yhen hunter would target eyes target and send the pet to lure monsters. We got some blue item eventually. Was not worth it but it was fun to play around that teleport as if ud step in it port u back instantly

[@ninja3687]

I got banned because I made alts for mining and was funneling it to my main. I used built in functions to do something and they said I was manipulating the wow economy. Ridiculous.

[@zacksmith9305]

​@@ninja3687 😅 yeah, you earned that one

[@RaynmanPlays]

There was a similar thing that happened in Everquest, but it was a problem with a feature interacting with a barrier to a raid, not a GM screwing up. There is this spell in Everquest called Gravity Flux. It USED to send things up in the air in addition to doing AOE damage. In Shadows of Luclin, there was a raid encounter behind a locked door. The key wasn't available at the time, but it turns out that the raid area was open to the sky. So a guild managed to use a combination of Gravity Flux and Levitation to get in and defeat the boss. The next morning, there was a patch that removed Gravity Flux's effect of sending things in the air (just an AOE damage spell now, I believe with a stun) and all the drops the guild had collected were replaced with "X of Sad Exploitation" (earring, shield, etc) that gave -99 to all stats and resists, -999 to HP and mana, and weighed 99 stone. On the one hand, kind of a jerk move. On the other, they all have a unique item that has never been dropped before or since. And that's not mentioning the Kerafyrm controversy, though in that case SOE did listen to the players.

[@Infindox]

I think that's a little crooked from the developer's side. The players used what was in the game to obtain a goal. Could have just fixed the bug and let them keep everything.

[@Dovah_Slayer]

This is a little different. The YTer didn't tell the whole story they weren't banned because Blizzard made a mistake, and a player got an item they shouldn't have they were banned because they used it in PVP

[@DaRozeman]

@@Infindox It was an exploit. Everyone knew the raid wasn't supposed to be available yet, but they cheated their way in. They fucked around and found out. Deserved what they got. Same with the Cats-in-Hats guild using a terrain exploit to beat Kerafyrm. The others who did it legit (The three guild zerg raid) are heroes of the game.

[@ChamplooMusashi]

@@DaRozeman so did they do the fight itself legit or no? if legit, then its crazy to say thats a cheat lol. if you leave content "inaccessible" but present what do you really expect

[@OptimusGnarkill]

Ahhh og EQ, how I miss you. I quit right before Luclin dropped, but man those were the days. Project 1999 is a nice nostalgia trip and it’s free with a decent player base if you’re looking to get back into it

[@Drizzle52693]

Something tells me there’s more to the story than just “blizzard makes an oopsie and gives player an item they shouldn’t have”

[@ixcrusha2024]

It is they abused the dog 💩 out of it typical of a moron who doesn’t know when to quit used in pvp and to complete raid1st records had they stuck to doing simple raids mostly legit and finish with the item they could have gotten away with it for months handing items to the guild

[@AmaraChanTV]

Yeah Karate-Chop's guild used it in PVP and nuked the entire enemy team. Blizzard didn't do this to hide their mistake. They were punishing an asshole who abused other players.

[@AkaneCelesHiko]

​@AmaraChanTV This. The players knew it was an accident and they went through and checked chat logs, etc.

[@paullilly-b5o]

Yeah used it in AV. Stupid mistake. They should've just saved it for raids and they'd probably be fine.

[@AkaneCelesHiko]

@@paullilly-b5o Until caught, then they'd still be banned for using an exploit.

[@pascalf9602]

They didn't ban the guild for their mistake. They banned them cuz they were trading and abusing the item to get several world first

[@IrishIronArmalite]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Warranting absolute destruction.

[@jackjazzhands2357]

Why the backlash? Its cleary abuse of a mistake. In RL it is also a criminal offense.

[@SJNaka101]

Yea if a banker accidentally messes up an account number and 50k shows up in your account, you can't just go spend it and say hey they're the ones that messed up. You changed my mind on this.

[@donovandelozier7156]

​@@SJNaka101 except money from the bank is not the banks money, this is more like a merchant screwed up your order, and you got something extra while it was getting fixed, and mistook it as compensation for your troubles.

[@TheIncognitusMe]

@@donovandelozier7156 That’s a meaningless distinction. The money is not yours to spend. The item is not theirs to use. If you spend the money that’s not yours, you will be punished. Same with the item. That’s the end of the comparison.

[@donovandelozier7156]

@TheIncognitusMe if you dont comprehend the distinction thats a you problem because it is not meaningless

[@TheIncognitusMe]

@@donovandelozier7156 It is meaningless. If you have something that doesn't belong to you, it's not yours to use. It doesn't matter if the bank owns it or some other person owns it. They aren't you. It's a meaningless distinction. This is a comparison. The entire point of a comparison is that things are not the same. They have similarities. And the legal distinction between "the bank's money" and "their depositor's money" has fuck-all to do with this comparison.

[@LawlietNote]

What backlash ? They kept buying subscriptions right ? ..... so noone did nothing because of this, and nothing is changed cause of it... there

[@vayze7004]

​@jessicacunningham7021he's just saying there was no real backlash

[@LawlietNote]

@jessicacunningham7021 u right in that aspect, but as vayze said i was refering to the fact that the company made a mistake, didn't resolve it and there still were new players and current subscriptions, instead of people boycotting by not playing or something. If gamers don't protest this way, there will be no changes ..... i know it's hard to not play a game you a regular at but still.... read or watch movies or play something else..... at least for a while

[@Cfid23]

Except they lost hundreds, if not thousands of hours of game time and characters. It’s kind of a big deal if you’re account is perma-banned and you have to start over

[@vayze7004]

​@@Cfid23 he says there was no backlash for blizzard, its not about individual players. You are missing the point of his comment

[@Tru-qz6nx]

You’re right and this is why people/companies still treat us like shite!

[@rumham8979]

Well, yeah Blizz made the mistake of sending the item, but the player who got it was in a nothing guild and in 1 night they instantly start clearing server 1st hardmodes...

[@hrodebertcoad9848]

And they didn't even permaban the guy who received the item. They permabanned the guild leader who made the decision to use the item, and everyone else got a 24h slap on the wrist. It was quite a fair punishment.

[@TrueBladeSoul]

Yeah like that’s completely fair

[@seath8055]

​@hrodebertcoad9848 actually the guy who used it WAS the leader. Tldr for the full story was his account had gotten hacked then later recovered. In the process of recovering lost items they accidentally added that item as well, which in turn caused the situation (though for some saying they took it into PVP, never once in all of the times hearing this story from various sources, did I ever hear it used for that, so i doubt the validity of those claims. Only world firsts in raids like the at the time newly released Ulduar and Malygos.)

[@themindeclectic9821]

Its not like they just got banned for no reason. They got banned for immediately abusing a power they weren't supposed to have. That's just dishonorable and exactly the kind of behavior that should get you banned from a game

[@Edgelord_420_69]

So your telling me, if you had a scratch off ticket and realized it was misprinted, and decided to get a refund and they accidentally refunded you a separate ticket with billion dollar win you wouldnt spend the money?

[@dude123nice6]

Go suc Bliz cuc dude.

[@TheEstafista]

​@@Edgelord_420_69 Two diffrent things. You example got nothink to do with what happened here. Let me explain this to you in most basic say possible. Then you sign up for any game you Accept terms and services (it's long and booring text you clearly never read). In those there's something like: Don't cheat or we ban you. You agreeing to that and then cheating means they ban you. Simple. And before you respond it doesn't matter that game dev/mod made a mistake. You cheated. You used unfair advantige other didin't have for personal gain

[@themindeclectic9821]

@@Edgelord_420_69 Not the same thing. But if I bought a lottery ticket that was a winner, but I could (somehow) tell it was misprinted, what I did from there would be more equivalent. I can either abuse a mistake for personal gain, or have some integrity and report the mistake. I'd do the latter.

[@cjbudd]

my brother in christ i have been playing WoW on and off since 2007 and if an item is in my characters possession why would i not use it???????

[@DG19835]

Its like finding a duffle bag of money after giving a guy a ride, spending it all, then the cartel shows up and throws you in a wood chipper.

[@cooldemon5545]

They used it in PVP as well.

[@secretname2670]

Except it's a videogame where the past can be retroactively changed so blizzard did what they always do and f ed up

[@kaineandrews3790]

@@secretname2670How is “punishing someone who broke the rules” effing up, exactly?

[@secretname2670]

@@kaineandrews3790 how was the game master punished?

[@superwatcher456]

@@secretname2670the gm made an arguably honest mistake, there is litteraly no need to know if that gm was punished or not, that would be handled by blizzard discreetly. The people who abused the item however were very public about it, so they received a public punishment, simple as that.

[@A7xFo]

They used it in PvP and due to thousands of reports, Blizzard found out. The ban was 100% deserved because they KNEW they weren't supposed to use it and abused it anyway. It negatively impacted everyone else that played against them in a serious way, so there's no sympathy for them. It had nothing to do with raids.

[@hyrulianguardlyfe3952]

Exactly, it was given as an accident, accidents happen, what they did was INTENTIONAL.

[@victory4history]

I was getting my professions fixed in BC. When I logged back on, my character was completely invisible to other players. I went around the Sunwell island killing alliance on my Undead rogue. Got put to sleep 2 hours later. GM said looks like you’ve been having some fun. Only got a 30 minute ban. So they could fix the issue.

[@Mistarpotato]

I like to think the GM was just watching the whole time before enough tickets came in and he had to finally do something about it.

[@robertfrederick7125]

I had a GM log onto my Enhancement Shaman in Shadowlands because of some issue. When he was done, he forgot to take the invisibility off me, and I walked around for 3 weeks until I finally died. At which point it was removed, I didn't realize it at first but kept wondering why I was walking around slightly crouched down and some mobs completely ignored me until I attacked first.

[@blub5117]

I got an USB headset in bc that if I connected it to my PC let my character fall through the ground. After forced quit I respawned up again. Used it to reach some places you where not supposed to reach and to 'hide' the flag in pvp. Never got banned for it. My only ban was for mind control at the entrance of naxx and jumping them to their death during a professional raiding guilds try to first it. I did it for 3h and when a GM told me to stop I replied that 'this is a pvp server and if they did not want me to use it they should disable pvp there, I'm not going to stop'. I'm still of the opinion that the first was abusive but the second was fair.😂

[@Mistarpotato]

@@blub5117 Shouldn't have rolled on a pvp realm, was completely fair and that GM was a hoe for interfering.

[@t0aster_b4th]

​@blub5117 remember the old days when a drood could be in bird form, typhoon, then turn right back into a bird? So many people so mad cause they just fall and splat 😂 i was never a huge fan of pvp, but I've seen goblin dks jump off cliffs, death grip someone, then rocket boots right back up to safety lmao

[@kirarozu]

They banned them because they used it knowing full well they shouldn't be.

[@brianrhodes1987]

BS

[@ricardoricardoricardoricardo]

@@brianrhodes1987 Welcome to life. Here dishonesty can be punished.

[@brianrhodes1987]

@@ricardoricardoricardoricardo you live in the USA right lol

[@brianrhodes1987]

@ricardohumildebrabo I wish but I see a ton off ppl getting away with bs

[@ricardoricardoricardoricardo]

@@brianrhodes1987 You know the difference between the words "will" and "can", right? Don't be a dishonest slime just because others are getting away with it.

[@JungleMan777]

I mean...if your bank makes an error in your favor it's still illegal to keep the cash. So this makes sense. Plus, they knew damn well what they were doing was BS.

[@Chrisfragger1]

Is your real name Buzzkillington?

[@kyle2455]

This is a game. If you give a player an item, you can't expect the player NOT to use the item. If you don't want the player to use it, don't give them the item. The bank comparison is bad here because one is theft, the other is simply using game mechanics. Two different seriousness. Blizzard finally did what they should have and removed the item itself.

[@KorrinBelle]

They weren't banned to hide the mistake, they were banned for exploiting the mistake.

[@gunnand5923]

You know how you give them legitimate backlash for something you don't like? Cancel your sub and don't purchase any more Blizzard products / services. I've been a wow player since cataclysm originally launched. Every single day over the years I constantly see people complaining about half of what Blizzard does, but doing nothing about it. Just like when the character boosts came out towards the end of MoP. Everyone complained about it, but they STILL bought the boosts and kept playing the game. Now years later, the boost is expected in each new expansion. The WoW token came out and it hurt the economy on servers because you could, through Blizzard themselves, buy gold. People complained about that but did nothing. It's a cycle that the players have the ability to end, but they refuse to. Either do something about it, or quit complaining. Blizzard makes a lot of money from the game. Imagine if in the course of a week, that profit dropped to $0. Off course they would fix it. Want the game to be good? Refuse to give them money until they fix the problem, THEN come back. Don't keep giving them money while you complain, because of course they won't change anything. Why would they when they already have your money

[@zedmiasma7304]

Yea this was me until recently. Complained about bad dlc complained about full price game lacking content, complained about ridiculous micro transactions, complained about bad updates that make the game worse. Complained a lot about a lot of different games/devs over stepping. Then I decided to stop supporting these companies and that stopped the complaining. Now I’m enjoying games a lot more.

[@armandpeanutspinou3430]

You talk as if the whole playerbase is of one mind. The people who complain about boosts and the ones actively buying them are not the same people. I'm sure there's plenty of people who dont care about boosts, I for one dont care at all. I dont buy them and I dont complain about them

[@jordanalexander615]

Blizzard has never been held accountable for anything lets be honest.

[@JackGPT84]

No, that is not true. The guild abused the mistake and they knew it. This is just cheating. They could have reported it and nothing would had have happend to the guild.

[@Senpai-Haru]

They did… for the sexual activities they had with female enployees inside their building 😂

[@Frostfeet1994]

Idk why people are liking your comment because if you cheat even if it's blizzards mistake then that's your fault. Nobody forced him to use it especially multiple times with his guild.

[@ZenKrio]

​@Frostfeet1994 blizzards a terrible company and wow is a worse game. Way to handle somthing you did wrong like a child. Thatd be like me leaving my gameboy at a friends house, and then killing their family because of it. Thats how bad blizzard and people that play their games are.

[@Frostfeet1994]

@@ZenKrio that's not even close. It's like if your friend left money out and you took it. You know it was wrong but they left it and if you get caught chances are they won't be friends with you anymore

[@Valchrist1313]

This happened to me in a game called Gladiatus back in the day. You could only attack someone to steal gold 5 times per day. At some point the auto limiter broke and moderators put in a rule that you had to manually observe this rule. Later they fixed it and it would automatically prevent you from attacking after 5X again. Then one day it broke, and I made a 6th attack within 24 hours sometime around 30 minutes before I should've been able to. I'd been one of the higher ranked players, and suddenly got perma-banned. I didn't get my account back for some 2 months and by then I was so far behind I just gave up. I was even a paying customer. Still makes me mad, I enjoyed that game. Just text-based combat, but it was cool.

[@Ballox]

Don't cheat, if you know a mechanic is broken and you willfully exploit it you are no better than Hackers, Dupers or Cheaters in my opinion

[@Valchrist1313]

@@Ballox They declared that the mechanic (that prevented more than 5 attacks) was fixed, and it broke again a week or two later. A single occurrence minutes before the rollover indicates normal player behavior, not an exploit.

[@Quite_Rob]

It's cheating if you don't report the exploit, and you weren't permanently banned. You don't get released two months later for life in prison.

[@Valchrist1313]

@@Quite_Rob The devs reported that the 'exlpoit' (which it hardly was) had been fixed. I didn't even know it happened, as it was 5 minutes from the rollover. It also wasn't consequential in any way, there was no significant advantage gained whatsoever. And permanently banned or not, being removed from a MMORPG for 2 months is a death sentence for a top-100 account.

[@afs6853]

You can’t fault a man for succumbing to the irresistible temptation of the One Ring. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[@armandpeanutspinou3430]

I dont blame the guy, I doubt I'd have resisted either. But he deserved his punishment lol, even though it was a bit harsh

[@Iluvantir]

1) Blizzard Employees made a mistake in giving it to a player. But: 2) The Player made use of it when he knew doing so would be unethical and against the game's rules. 3) The fault lies with those who USE it incorrectly, not the one mistakenly giving it. Fair punishment.

[@vincentproud6589]

No aspect of this is actually against the games rules.

[@MarkEdward-l9i]

Sure the item was given to the player by Blizzard however the fact that he used it to cheat was on him

[@noticedruid4985]

He didn't cheat, and that's the issue. He was given the item by Blizzard. It's like saying a player in end game gear is cheating because he's beating lower level dungeons or under geared players in PVP. The fault lies with Blizzard for accidentally giving the player an OP item in the first place, if that did not happen none of this would have occurred in the first place. The Player did not acquire the said item by any nefarious means, it was given to them. He did not steal it, he did not use a glitch to acquire it, he did not use any hacking methods/tools to acquire said item. He just used an item he was given. A 24 hour ban was fine, even removing any item or achievements that were acquired by using said item is fine, and at the extreme end if they could not do that deleting that particular character would be fine as well. But the perma ban was harsh because it was the fault of Blizzard not the player for getting the item in the first place.

[@ricardoricardoricardoricardo]

​@@noticedruid4985 Let's imagine someone deposits a million dollars into your bank account by mistake. The first thing you do is buy a sports car or a house and then BLAME the depositor for that? That's dishonesty and a crime, it's not the fault of the depositor. A mistake is never as grave as plain dishonesty, and you're showing your pettiness with that justification. Be an adult and give back what's NOT YOURS.

[@MarkEdward-l9i]

@@noticedruid4985 it is cheating what do you mean they used an item that they shouldn't have had multiple times mind you

[@codmanout9861]

​@@noticedruid4985except it wasn't lower leveled stuff. They were apparently using it for World's First runs and eventually, PVP

[@noticedruid4985]

@@codmanout9861 well it's a difference of opinion I guess. My opinion is the fault lies with Blizzard giving him the item, not the player using the item he was given.

[@i_am_the_monkey_king]

It was a game master-only item. Normal players aren't suppose to have it, and when one did.. he absolutely went nuts with the power he had and the Warcraft gods, obviously, took notice. If he just played it cool, using the item sparingly, he might still be walking around.. as a secret (evil?) Saitama.

[@Naxxaramus]

They used the item in pvp run alterac valley . That is how bilzz found out and noticed that they used the item in the dungeons

[@russelllapua4904]

As someone who was a GM at Blizz, the item was 100% NOT given to that person in error. If you're restoring character you have snapshot logs of the item IDs that you bulk restore using an internal tool. In order to get one of the GM items the GM will have to purposefully assign that item ID to the character.

[@alkyd85]

Deserved ban because even though it was a mistake on GM's part, it was still a mistake and not intentional. What was intentional is abusing this item, hence the ban.

[@GreatWhite00000]

Blizzard made a mistake but the players abused it intentionally and maliciously. The ban and suspensions were well applied.

[@GreenAppelPie]

“Banned an entire guild to hide their own mistake”? You gotta be kidding me with that line. The guild wasn’t forced to used it

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

why dont you coddle them some more why dont you. tell me you hate accountability without telling me you hate accountability.

[@PeterTheDeleter]

Its not that blizzard accidentally gave it to them. Its the fact the knowingly exploited the game. They knew it was unfair and if i was them i would be worried about getting banned. Deserved

[@jjgoburna3920]

plot twist the person who made this video was part of the guild

[@Viper3220]

If someone accidentally wire transfers you a million dollars, you're still at fault if you spend it. If someone leaves their keys in their car, it doesn't mean you won't get in trouble for stealing it.

[@gregorygejoff1628]

At the same time it should be common knowledge that he wasn't supposed to have it and should have alerted the gms about it.

[@greyrifterrellik5837]

Blizzard made the mistake of giving the item. The players made the mistake of abusing it for an unfair advantage over everyone else. It's still cheating, regardless of how they obtained it.

[@squallshot]

Its definitely one of those "I wouldnt tell anyone, but there would definitely be signs" sorta situations.

[@0minous187]

you ripped of @jameslemon9544 comment

[@LuckyOctober]

Why does it give +strength and +mana 😂

[@maelstromr77]

Probably a paladin item

[@double_joseph327]

@@maelstromr77it is a plate shirt lol

[@DyvedToole-gk1qh]

They used an exploit, and didn't report the error, in order to get world first accolades. It was an entirely justified ban that deserved no 'backlash.' If they hadn't tried to be sneaky about it, no bans. Do the right thing. Cheating in an online game devalues the experience for everyone else.

[@iChannelz88]

To be fair, if you got an item like that and abused it to that extent then the ban is fair. But the GM also deserves a punishment from Blizzard for that mistake

[@nivekzorantinez8872]

I find it so poetic.. that like in an MMORPG, you give a player a godlike weapon, it isn't long before they become corrupted and start committing atrocities that invoke the wrath of Gods.

[@KongKurs]

I rarely say this, but I’m on Blizzard’s side here. The item was given by mistake and any player with a shred of integrity would report the mistake immediately or at the very least not have used it in PVP

[@justins1917]

You've racked up so many downvotes, it's insane

[@KongKurs]

@@justins1917 I really couldn’t care less. Cheaters will stay mad

[@justins1917]

@@KongKurs when you can't understand what "cheating" is

[@orcbum]

@@justins1917 they were cheating. it wasn't really their fault that a cheat/exploit exists, but it doesnt change the fact it's cheating. also blizz could've gone the more "fair" route by rolling back the entire guild's progress and invalidating every gear they earned, which would be worse than a 24 hour suspension lol. karatechopz also deserved the ban. perma seems kind of harsh, but it makes sense cuz he was the one coercing leroyspeltz to continuously use the item.

[@PincoPallino-zh8wm]

Just because the item was given due to Blizzard error it doesn’t mean you are free to abuse its power. That’s like saying “Oh I don’t know, you forgot to lock your car and left your wallet in it, it’s only fair that i steal it” I’m glad they punished those players!

[@nicholassmith5130]

I would argue not the same, the car example requires you to TAKE, in this case it was GIVEN directly

[@PincoPallino-zh8wm]

@@nicholassmith5130 the argument is that in both cases you are GIVEN the opportunity to do something unethical.

[@zombieoozaru9135]

It’s 2009 and you receive that item. You will do as you please because its a fucking video game. Leave it to blizzard to fuck everything up tho and not blame there selves of course.

[@nicholassmith5130]

@@PincoPallino-zh8wm unethical and against rules or laws is not the same thing

[@VLFBERHTwolf]

Here is some advice for those who find a OP item: "Do not use it so many times that you get banned in the same day. If you want to keep it and still get away with it then using sparingly. Like once a month. Of course ultimate power does require a degree of self control. Which some of you do not have unfortunately.

[@Jerakk30]

100% justified for the life ban. "oh they accidentally gave it to him, it's not his fault" yes.. it IS his fault. They all knew better. They knew they shouldn't have had it, they knew they should have at least reported it, and they knew they should have never used it. I mean if someone drops their debit/credit card on the ground and you pick it up... are you going to cry and complain when you're arrested when you start buying things on it? "not my fault, he dropped it" yeah well you knew better. You just chose to do what you weren't supposed to.

[@missskitty90]

I feel like hacking someone's account and selling their characters, or hacking for financial info to steal real money, or doxxing someone's private info to everyone would be more logical grounds for a lifetime ban. This kind of shenanigans I would say maybe a 1 year ban tops, but lifetime seems a stretch overreactive.😬

[@Jerakk30]

@@missskitty90 You're trying to compare committing felonies to violating the TOS in a game? Seriously? Exactly how much time did you dedicate to coming up with that analogy? 30 seconds? A minute tops? "Omg they got a lifetime ban from the library for being extremely disruptive to other people. How unfair... it's not like they murdered someone or tried to burn the place down.. right?" dear lord what's wrong with you people. There's a code of conduct... rules.. that everyone agreed to before logging in to the game... they violated not only the rules, but the spirit of the game itself. It's justified, end of story.

[@daazex69]

It's a fucking item in a video game Of course you gotta use it

[@Jerakk30]

@@daazex69not very good at reading terms of service/use agreements are you?

[@bloody4558]

I don't think it was too harsh a punishement. Whether Blizzard commited a mistake or not that was clearly an exploit. Since the gear wasn't available to anyone but the dude, it was obvious wven to the most dim, that this item was something he wasn't supposed to have received

[@MilesDei95]

so 13 is the limit

[@trapboyzay813]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@allrounder247]

Blizzards mistake was giving the item. The ban wasn’t for giving the item. The ban was because the players with item did things with it like killing players and such. If they killed a boss or two. And didn’t fuck around the punishment would have been less severe.

[@tnecniw]

If they had used the item like... once (To test it), and then reported it, there would have been no punishment, at all.

[@tren380]

If I had this item I would never tell a single person. How stupid of this person and that guild master.

[@KosmicKane]

I personally think everyone else getting a 24 hour ban should be permanent as well. They all knew what they were doing and apparently chose to do it not once or twice but 14 times.

[@fridayhawks-spangenberg8979]

It was a fair punishment. It was obvious that the item was not meant for players and they decided to abuse it rather than report it.

[@ahlija]

It’s always been clear in every MMO rules: you abuse bugs or glitch, they will ban you. 🤷🏼

[@maryboyd8126]

Wasn't a bug a glitch though, they were GIVEN the item, not their fault they got it.

[@anttihakkarainen9250]

​@@maryboyd8126You have to be absolutely braindead to think that the item was given on purpose to the player, and then go to new content and abuse the sh*t outta said item is just asking for trouble 😅

[@dragonforce2724]

This is a really waterdowned version The mods asked them not use the item and return it to the moderators But the guild refused and after 14 days of warnings and discussion they purged the acounts of the entire guild The entire guild was in on it as they would spend 140 hours around the clock in the best and newest dungeons getting large amounts of extreemly hard to get items Its only after they started selling those items for real money the devs banned the guild

[@Gamble_626]

Just like how they banned people for using granades in ICC. They had no cooldown so people spammed them to kill bosses.

[@tnecniw]

Yeah, Exploits get punished. They are fine with it if you do it once or twice (aka "Discovery" and "testing") but they don't let you use something that shouldn't be the case.

[@bergmanoswell879]

The ban wasn’t for getting the item or having the item, it was for using it. Any experienced player - and even most noobd - who gets one would KNOW it was a mistake, and either delete it or report the mistake to a GM. Using an item OBVIOUSLY given in error to cheat is clearly a violation of the game rules.

[@smalf00]

In US law, the party who was given an item (in this instance, an ultra rare item only meant for game masters) is obliged to inform the giver that they may have erronously been given said item. so if your bank accidentally put 10k in your bank account, you need to tell the bank otherwise its a crime on your part even though it was the banks error. also it seems like the players used this item against other players, and thats when they were caught. anyone of sound mind would know they werent supposed to have this item, and even more so they would know they werent meant to use it against other players, so id say a lifetime ban for the player who didnt tell anyone he got it pretty much follows past instances of the law

[@nunyabisnass1141]

It's somewhat common to ban players when they find an exploit the devs forgot about. There was a game some years ago where XP was capped per day, thinking it was fine because no one could reach that mark. Well many ppl easily did it because gamers are gamers precisely because they figure stuff out. What was the devs response? Patch it, and temp ban everyone they could find that used that exploit, that used the games own mechanics in their favour. They were well known for patching and banning ppl and game tricks, even when it didn't give an unfair advantage, only because they found it embarrassing, and viewed players as a monotonous revenue source of robotic consumers. One I remember specifically, the devs patched an exploit that allowed an item to fly you across any inbounds area, but took considerable skill to learn. Because that item could only be used in open areas anyway, it created no exploitatative advantage for players, but was a lot of fun. Well apparently you're not allowed to have fun playing their crappy game. They even suspended players from finding out of map areas when ppl got tired of the monotony of grinding for a skin you couldn't possibly earn, and had to buy the remaining materials.

[@gnack420]

They didn't ban them to hide their mistake. Their mistake was giving the player the item, and his possession of the item wasn't what they got banned for. They got banned for exploiting the mistake multiple times.

[@Nevets767]

This isnt the only time blizz issued a suspension to a player due to their own error. During wotl, a rouge was using engineer bombs during his rotation during the litch king boss, and noticed that the platform wasnt breaking. This ment that the valkyr that were ment to pick up and carry players off the arena were instead carrying them to the edge and dropping them safely, allowing the players to ignore one of the mechanics making the fight easier. I dont remember if it was the one player or the whole guild, but they issued a week suspension before fixing the bug

[@Gabesterreviews]

Bro imagine a hacker putting the classic prototype omnitrix in world of warcraft and leaving little clues around for players to use to try to be the first to find it and claim it for them selfs and just watch the destruction unfold

[@Michael-yx3np]

They really have no way to ban a player, they can only delete the account, they have no way to prevent that player from playing just minutes later. They can do an IP ban, but that is easily circumvented by using VPN or changing ISP.

[@Crillidan]

They weren't shadow banned, or banned to keep a secret. They were banned for *blatant abuse of the item* in Alterac Valley. Blizzard, well people at blizzard, has stated numerous times they'd never ban someone over a mistake they make in game (to my knowledge, true) but will not tolerate blatant abuse, of said mistake, when it comes to others as well. Raid, dungeon, etc progressing with it is one thing....pvp or other competitive scenes changes things a lot. These people had unlimited power and had to squander it in pvp (also, thats how they even got caught, they went totally unnoticed until another user reported an AV match as a bug, thus leading to blizzard seeing massive damage numbers from a DEBUG item on a *normal* player account).

[@spi6455]

My account was banned for 11 days while I appealed their error for giving me this item. The difference was, I had screencaptures of messages and several emails that showed I was reporting it and unsure if I should be using it or not. I never used it in a raid or pvp, though. Finally they reinstated my account and gave me $180 in account credit, which meant I played for free for a year. They thought giving me a year off free access offset the crap they put me through. Good thing I separated my two tanks and 2 healers into an 1-2, 2-1 split then had them unlink the accounts. When they banned it for those 11 days, I lost my best tank and 2nd best healer, but could still off tank with my alt tank and pop in on my best healer for raids. My resto shaman healer was OVERPOWERED.

[@charlesknapp6662]

Yes and this LED to the death of wow for Life the devs of every game only kills themselves in the end!

[@shawnpixley8297]

I've seen this in several games lately. Where games make mistakes yet hold players responsible. Often players spending money & loosing with NO compensation.

[@joeholtz5395]

In EverQuest that would be an account ban across the whole guild. There was a pathing but that around 15 people were using to kill mobs. The mob wouldn't hit you. It just ran around. ONE player reported it to a GM and characters built up over years were insta banned. EQ1 liked to nerf classes because people with hundreds of hours invested would work hard and do cool stuff. So their reward was getting nerfef

[@g4m3rwolf80]

You forgot that it was due to a GM's error because one of the guild members had their account stolen, buy while restoring their items they accidentally added Martin's Fury.

[@jacobjones1849]

It’s a pretty normal response. Osrs does the same thing. Dude was abusing an unintended mechanic to get rich

[@cannibaletiquette5038]

If any part of the plan consisted of PvP, the word cunning has no business being used in that sentence. the lifetime ban was probably a safety measure as no one that "cunning" could safely use a keyboard.

[@benjaminjohnson5414]

On one hand that is there own mistake but also it feels like it falls into the same vein of "if there is a bug bug in something report it and don't exploit it". This has been a precedent since they banned a lot of high level player in vanilla for using the Ahn'Qiraj glitch to ignore the whole raid and go straight to the final boss.

[@nctpti2073]

Exploits almost always involve Dev and/or coding mistakes. That does not mean they are not exploits. Even the RL tax code has an anti-exploit section simply because this kind of crap happens IRL, too

[@ophyjenkins]

Why is @SignsOfKelani toons shown in this clip? He wasn't part of that guild I don't think?

[@Aurora_262]

There's an entire class of people, usually in the tech/gaming world, who refuse to think anything is ever their fault. It's always someone else's, regardless of reality.

[@jasonsmalley1091]

Anyone remember Enti’s Quenched Sword? It was a gray item that done insane amounts of damage. Level 1 players was beating level 40s in pvp

[@Banshee.bagpipes]

Watching Blizzard's metamorphic fall from grace has been heart breaking, honestly. My friends and I used to talk about them with near reverence when we were kids, impatiently waiting for the next masterpiece to drop. "It'll be worth it, it always is".. Now..... They're disgusting.

[@michealrossiter148]

Blizzard has also been known to give "immortality" items to some pvper friends of employees. You'll notice regardless of the attack, ALL pvp spells do 0dmg, cannot stun, immobilize or interrupt the person.

[@Beannie7777]

Devs really changed the items to: “You can only do this trick once in your life” 😂😂😂

[@mikl12354]

Lol, honestly, as long as that 1st ban isnt part of the “3 strikes youre out” rule of games where it goes 1/3 days, 1-2 weeks then possible perm its a fine ban. I think it was so they can grab the item before they move it somewhere else.

[@TehKazlehoff]

Blizzard didn't ban a player to tie and hide their own mistake. They banned a player because he got an item that he should not have gotten and then he proceeded to use it to kill multiple progression tier raid bosses.

[@Leilani-X.A.O]

They didn't ban the guild to coverup their mistake. They banned a guild for exploiting an item they knew they shouldn't have. A Dev mistake doesn't give exploiters a free pass and never should. Players should be held accountable for their own actions. This is probably one of the few things Blizzard actually did right.

[@ajolleyduck2933]

Thank goodness they removed that new no no word. We all know Blizzard, as a corporation, cares so much about humans and treating them respectfully.

[@NarwahlGaming]

I wonder, now, if something similar happen(s) in Destiny 2. I did a few PvP arenas, and randomly, every single opponent (us) would just drop dead. One time, an opponent jumped into the middle of a building, pointed his gun at the ceiling, and a huge bubble filled the room, killing everyone but his team.

[@GabeSteadyGeminiTaylor]

It wasn’t because they wanted to “hide their mistake” it was because the guild used it to obtain several world firsts even though they weren’t a prominent raiding guild or anything before that. They wouldn’t have been banned if they didn’t use it for gain or didn’t use it SO often XD

[@TeamWolfmountain]

Blizzard never will own up for their mistakes, this is a very good example for it. Same with the many bugs Frostmourne had they just blame the player and then secretly fixing the bug not claiming it was a bug

[@lordpalandus11]

Exactly when has Blizzard listened to backlash? From games like Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, Warcraft 3 (remaster), Diablo 2 (remaster), and Diablo 4, backlash was almost always ignored.

[@Hirohito_iLoveYou]

I’ve never played this game but have been watching these shorts all day and I’m invested 💀

[@themisto212]

Receiving the item by mistake through no fault of your own is one thing. That's Blizzard's fault. Using it despite knowing better and agreeing to the end user licence agreement is another. That's the players' fault. Opportunity creates thieves. But it doesn't absolve the thieves from guilt and punishment.

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Just alter the item! Make it unusable if you don’t have the achievement “game dev” or make it not work. What a weak assed way to force this through. Could’ve made something good out of adventurers fighting the guild to return it til the guild disbanded anyway