Where Boston Stereotypes Come From

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Now You See It

Now You See It

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Boston movies reinforce stereotypes about the city. But where did those stereotypes come from, and how are they prevalent in almost every Boston movie? Let’s take a look at movies that take place in Boston and see what they have in common. Sounds wicked.
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@saucy7780
@saucy7780 4 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie all Irish flags and imagery in most of the shots blew my mind. Never even realized that before. Awesome video
@Dinkledorf98
@Dinkledorf98 4 жыл бұрын
I am from Boston and I thought that it was just an authentic set
@rickyhunt4075
@rickyhunt4075 4 жыл бұрын
Yea me too I've watched Good Will Hunting a number of times and never noticed the color scheme or the Irish Flag in Wills house.
@Obrienjob98
@Obrienjob98 4 жыл бұрын
Funny as I'm in Boston for the summer
@EarlHare
@EarlHare 4 жыл бұрын
Just goes to show how much work ACTUALLY goes into each and every shot of a movie.
@613and802
@613and802 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dinkledorf98 Yeah there are some reaches in this video. A shamrock in an Irish bar isn't symbolism, and the same goes for an American flag in a courtroom.
@What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names
@What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names 4 жыл бұрын
“It’s like a less gay and more racist San Fransisco” - bill burr, paraphrase
@kevrywhere
@kevrywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I think he said "It's like San Francisco but with the N word".
@notsure6187
@notsure6187 4 жыл бұрын
maybe. but Bostons still pretty gay and San Fran is pretty racist.
@jjmblue7
@jjmblue7 4 жыл бұрын
@@notsure6187 Nah, Provincetown is hoarding most of the gay, especially during summer.
@harrylane4
@harrylane4 4 жыл бұрын
@@notsure6187 boston (people not the city) is pretty anti gay in my experience tbh
@hrvsmart
@hrvsmart 4 жыл бұрын
And less shit and needles in the streets
@JDurkin2811
@JDurkin2811 4 жыл бұрын
"Where do Boston stereotypes come from?" Boston *roll credits*
@vaquita4857
@vaquita4857 4 жыл бұрын
Aburcy loarcudi abric
@tds42099
@tds42099 4 жыл бұрын
I clicked on this video for this comment lol
@Tinymoezzy
@Tinymoezzy 2 жыл бұрын
This is the perfect comment.
@christopheryoungs4642
@christopheryoungs4642 4 жыл бұрын
Haaaa this guy called the T the subway. What a charactah.
@ObitoSigma
@ObitoSigma 4 жыл бұрын
I just call it the Red Line even if I'm traveling on the Community Rail or Silver Line or whatever because every single one of my commutes begins or ends at a Red Line stop.
@ne2604
@ne2604 4 жыл бұрын
Obito Sigma kinda weird but ight
@olivejuice5718
@olivejuice5718 4 жыл бұрын
Natalia Edwards That’s what it’s called
@dominicsampson8215
@dominicsampson8215 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously that sounded weird to hear
@ne2604
@ne2604 4 жыл бұрын
Olive juice no its not. not all lines are the red line
@brionosullivan1992
@brionosullivan1992 4 жыл бұрын
Weird I’m Irish (as in actually born and raised in Ireland) and I never noticed the Irish symbolism in good will hunting. To me they were just rich and poor Americans.
@jerrysmooth24
@jerrysmooth24 4 жыл бұрын
i dont think you need to convince people your irish considering you have the most irish name since st patrick o'carbomb
@brendansmith5529
@brendansmith5529 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah man you’d be surprised how strong the Irish identity is here in Northeast cities like Boston and New York. Honestly I noticed all that Irish stuff but I didn’t even see it as symbolism- frankly, that’s just what Boson looks like most of the time.
@AdmiralAwesome111
@AdmiralAwesome111 4 жыл бұрын
@@Udontkno7 Now You See It
@rhabdob3895
@rhabdob3895 4 жыл бұрын
They are, paddy. They are.
@DeathShouldTakeMeNow
@DeathShouldTakeMeNow 4 жыл бұрын
@@brendansmith5529 Its like here in LA with the chicanos who idolize Mexico and fly the flag with pride and do it everywhere, but meanwhile in actual Mexico nobody really cares. Over there its more of what region, state, or class you come from, or if you're an "indio" or have lighter skin in places like Mexico City.
@Alec.V.
@Alec.V. 4 жыл бұрын
As a Bostonian, I see it as one of those cities where it’s technically famous, but no one ever really talks about ut.
@Sebastian-yx8oy
@Sebastian-yx8oy 4 жыл бұрын
facts
@iceberghoney
@iceberghoney 3 жыл бұрын
So true, and it's a shame! One of the coolest cities in the country, in my opinion :)
@boredbrother6676
@boredbrother6676 3 жыл бұрын
@@iceberghoney no, it’s the f**k best!👍
@iceberghoney
@iceberghoney 3 жыл бұрын
@@boredbrother6676 you're so right haha
@boredbrother6676
@boredbrother6676 3 жыл бұрын
@@iceberghoney I too am a bostonian,so of course I know which is the best state out of them all! Plus SOMEONE made scp-4006.
@Julika7
@Julika7 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I've not noticed the "southy" dilemma in Good Will Hunting. But I'm from Germany, so this wasn't clear to me.
@Flatcetera
@Flatcetera 4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen that alex day thingy in so long holy shit I just had a time trip
@FullContactCA
@FullContactCA 4 жыл бұрын
*Southie
@desertrose0601
@desertrose0601 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that was the entire plot though. A poor kid from the poor side of town who couldn’t afford college but was really smart.
@jacksonhazeltine9291
@jacksonhazeltine9291 4 жыл бұрын
desertrose0601 “Wicked Smaht!”
@Julika7
@Julika7 4 жыл бұрын
@@desertrose0601 It seems I watched a totally different film. For me it was about Will's inner fights, his abuse, his self-doubt, the missing parental figures, the opening up to the psychologist.
@thomasleonard8789
@thomasleonard8789 4 жыл бұрын
@6:51 "the camera starts south of Boston" ... brother that is from the bunker hill memorial looking south at Boston.
@roxxylala26
@roxxylala26 4 жыл бұрын
When he says the camera starts south of Boston, what he's talking about is A SCENE in the movie "THE TOWN" which THE MOVIE takes place in Charlestown. That's why there's a shot hovering over the Bunker Hill monument.
@thomasleonard8789
@thomasleonard8789 4 жыл бұрын
@@roxxylala26 If that is indeed the explanation it is still a very questionable production decision, especially in a video that is attempting to educate. He's showing a completely unrelated visual when previously all narration had specifically pertained to the visuals on screen. You wouldn't presuppose that the audience is familiar enough with all Boston movies to make this leap with you "Oh, now he's just talking about something else and showing 'B-roll'"
@roxxylala26
@roxxylala26 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomasleonard8789 I will have say that I do concur with your assessment on it being a little confusing in regards to the narration & the visual matchingl in that specific spot in the video. But if you would've replayed it AGAIN, he does refer to "THE TOWN" at the same time showing the Bunker Hill monument. BUT talking about a SCENE in that movie that starts of south of Boston & ends in Cambridge. You could've easily googled "The Town" & your confusion would've been solved. No biggie, a real Bostonian showed you the way. Good day
@CaiominTwin
@CaiominTwin 4 жыл бұрын
liked this a lot but left unexamined is the fact that Damon and Affleck grew up in Cambridge, which makes their portrayal of Cambridge v. Southie that much more fascinating.
@cynicaldrummer286
@cynicaldrummer286 4 жыл бұрын
I'm always so fascinated with these video and all the little things i miss during the film but once recognised it very obvious
@TheStoffl96
@TheStoffl96 4 жыл бұрын
Now you see it.
@shadysam8879
@shadysam8879 4 жыл бұрын
As a man who has lived in boston his entire life, I can say that all the movie stereotypes are confined into like 3 neighborhoods in reality. The people from southie who act like the pricks you see in movies are generally the middle aged drunks. Younger people are generally more chill. But we almost all have a huge amount of love for the city. And I hate the boston accent thing. We dont all sound like that, and most people who have that accent dont have it as strong as movies show.
@z-beeblebrox
@z-beeblebrox 4 жыл бұрын
I think in general, the population of people with urban regional accents has been slowly decreasing in America, in favor of the nonregional accent. There will eventually come a day when all regional urban accents in movies will be nothing but fictional references to the past, just like the Southie-Cambridge conflict examined in the video
@peterorsmond2624
@peterorsmond2624 4 жыл бұрын
I also grew up in Boston...and it is a rare day indeed when I hear a truly distinct Boston accent
@emmaforde3745
@emmaforde3745 4 жыл бұрын
My grandparents are from Dorchester and have thick accents while none of my cousins or siblings have anywhere near a Boston accent
@Jobbazz
@Jobbazz 4 жыл бұрын
z beeblebrox It’s the same in every country. I’m from Dublin and more and more people especially the young are getting a similar accent even if born into different classes. You’ll only hear heavy Dublin accents in old boozers in town these days from auld fellas
@itsanit123
@itsanit123 4 жыл бұрын
ClockworkAlex yeah I lived there for a few years, and there was way less of a divide, lots of local guys in Harvard actually now, and more hanging out in the same places, like bars downtown around Fenway. New York is way more divided now.
@owleyes4678
@owleyes4678 4 жыл бұрын
As someone from Boston, I always find stereotypes like this fascinating particularly when it comes to accents. Bostonians and people from Cambridge both have distinct accents, but 90% of the people in those areas don't have any accent at all. Most of the people with those stereotypical accents are older (all the people I've met with those types of accents are older- 60+). I also think that it's interesting that other Boston neighborhoods outside Southie don't really get represented. Boston has a massive Italian American section as well called the North End that is prominent in the city that we never see on screen.
@cmdrfelix1286
@cmdrfelix1286 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I always notice how the Italian population is ignored with Boston. It's always the Italians in New York/Jersey and Irish in Boston. I have also noticed the accent is stronger in the suburbs (my family is from the north shore and it is STRONG).
@JohnKruse
@JohnKruse 4 жыл бұрын
The Italians in Boston are like the Irish in that they moved up and moved out of many of their traditional neighborhoods. We used to go to Italian mass in the North End at Easter and Christmas. No one under age 50 could speak Italian. The North End is yuppies, recent college grads, and very old Italians.
@pbuckets9242
@pbuckets9242 4 жыл бұрын
Is the Irish curse real like do people really think that?
@sandrap.6530
@sandrap.6530 3 жыл бұрын
Same with the South. Southern accents are mostly coming from age 60+ residents - mostly rural. Big southern cities & the under age 50 have no southern accent.
@billvill61
@billvill61 3 жыл бұрын
@@cmdrfelix1286 ...and nearly absent in the Western suburbs. SUPER strong as you go south down 24, in Taunton, Brockton reaching an almost meshing of NY and Boston accents in the Eastern Providence suburbs.
@kennethchan2803
@kennethchan2803 4 жыл бұрын
Dunkin Donuts is from Quincy, MA, which is close to Boston.
@the__gatz962
@the__gatz962 4 жыл бұрын
Kenneth Chan Yeah, i live in Quincy actually. These days we are considered “Greater Boston” but really Anything the T touches is BOSTON. Commuter Rail doesnt count though when using that rule
@roxxylala26
@roxxylala26 4 жыл бұрын
What? Quincy is not that close to Boston.
@the__gatz962
@the__gatz962 4 жыл бұрын
roxxylala26 its right over the bridge from dorchester which is literally BOSTON lol
@roxxylala26
@roxxylala26 4 жыл бұрын
@@the__gatz962 My bad, I guess your right, in regarding Dot as part of being part of "Boston". As a long time resident of Massachusetts I never did since Cambridge isn't. I associate the South End, South Boston, Downtown, Beacon Hill, North End etc as Boston not Dorchester. But I stand corrected.
@WhatsCookingTime
@WhatsCookingTime 4 жыл бұрын
@@the__gatz962 exactly funny you say that . i moved down the south shore for a few years to save some money and reopen a business now i am working on moving back to somerville. i get these realtors calling me back with places on the commutter rail. im like first of all I said somerville. but you can take the train? WHAT I HAVE A GREAT PLACE IN WOBURN OR STONEHAM nooooooooo! i said i would consider other areas on the T that means the subway lol
@Asocial-Canine
@Asocial-Canine 4 жыл бұрын
Something ironic about using the Irish flag to represent Irish Catholics is that its design actually represents the overall conflict between them and the British Protestants. The green represents the southern Republicans, the orange the Ulster Unionists, and the white implies a possible union between the two in a United Ireland. The Famine disproportionately affected the rural Catholics of the West, which led to the immigration to areas like Boston, and a similar dynamic to form between them and the Protestants there. So flying the tricolour in the name of an "us" against a "them" really misses the whole point of it. Then again, it's also the flag of the Republic, and not the entire island, so maybe it's apt. Source: I got like a C in Junior Cert History
@sarahlilliancullen
@sarahlilliancullen 4 жыл бұрын
I always think about this when they burn the tricolour up north
@TheKavo97
@TheKavo97 4 жыл бұрын
Free state flag is not the real thing mo chara
@Asocial-Canine
@Asocial-Canine 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheKavo97 are you talking about the tricolour? Because I said it wasn't the flag of the island of Ireland
@Asocial-Canine
@Asocial-Canine 4 жыл бұрын
@PF G I mean, it's South of the North
@wvu05
@wvu05 4 жыл бұрын
I found that out at one point hearing someone talk in a restaurant. A few years later, I forgot it was St. Patrick's Day and wore an orange shirt to work. Someone asked me why, and I paused for a second and said, "I'm Protestant." Good thing I wasn't in Fishtown in Philly when that happened.
@josegarcia-zk4ds
@josegarcia-zk4ds 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video about fire in movies? I always get the feeling that it has a lot to analyze
@rahulrawat9767
@rahulrawat9767 4 жыл бұрын
Bane: Fire rises
@2-d933
@2-d933 4 жыл бұрын
@@stopshootfilms4196 Stop self-promoting
@rskl8083
@rskl8083 4 жыл бұрын
The fire lute scene from narnia
@fabooshka
@fabooshka 4 жыл бұрын
Fire in Shutter Island was essential. [SPOILERS] When fire was in the scene it suggested the main character was disillusioned.
@josegarcia-zk4ds
@josegarcia-zk4ds 4 жыл бұрын
@@fabooshka Yeah, that movie was the one that actually inspired me to recommend this idea
@michaelbecker621
@michaelbecker621 4 жыл бұрын
This was one of the smoothest transitions to an ad I've seen in a video
@derickrisner2126
@derickrisner2126 4 жыл бұрын
My maternal grandparents both grew up in Sommerville, which is just North of Cambridge. This was in the 1930s and 40s. The were both Catholic (Grandmother Irish, Grandfather Portuguese), both lived in lower middle-class families. When they were married in 1953 they lived in Roxbury, Rockland and a few other places before settling in Needham (about 15 miles South-West of Boston) in 1967 (same year the Red Sox went to the World Series). They lived there ever since, though my grandmother died a few years ago. Irish Catholic families are BIG. My mom has over 40 1st cousins just on her mom's side of the family. I don't think I have a single relative that lives in South Boston (Southie). Most live in the suburbs South of Boston such as Hull, Cohasset, Weymouth, even on Cape Cod or they moved out of state. North of Boston isn't just the elite. Even parts of Cambridge are lower-class. Boston also has a huge influx of students from all over. Most of the people I know that live in Boston are not originally from Boston. The days of Irish being the "lower class" are long gone, though some may still feel that way. I think we put a lot of this "Underdog" mentality into our sports teams, especially the Red Sox. Until 2004 no one alive had seen them win the World Series and they always lost to the Yankees. I didn't think of it at the time but the Red Sox in the early 2000's liked to portray themselves as a scrappy, messy team who never shaved or got a hair cut. The Yankees were the opposite, clean shaven, high-class talent (expensive). I think a lot of it may have been a call back to the old Elite/Lower Class dynamic. Winning World Series and Super Bowls hasn't changed the fact that we are always the underdog from little Old Boston. Great video. Made me think about my roots more.
@questionmark1152
@questionmark1152 4 жыл бұрын
If ya didn't know...Somerville is for the richhhhh now. & it's full of us Catholic Portagees!!!
@dontask7445
@dontask7445 4 жыл бұрын
Tons of working class Portuguese in Somerville. I'm one of them.
@anthonyciaramitaro6126
@anthonyciaramitaro6126 4 жыл бұрын
are you sure your from boston? Red sox won the world series 5 times before 2004...1903,1912,1915.1916,and 1918
@dontask7445
@dontask7445 4 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyciaramitaro6126 Yeah I was gonna call him out on that too
@derickrisner2126
@derickrisner2126 4 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyciaramitaro6126 I meant I (or really anyone still alive) had never seen them win the World Series. I should have been more clear about that.
@THEBIGLIE20
@THEBIGLIE20 4 жыл бұрын
Will Hunting could never afford to live in today’s Southie! He’d be going West to survive
@Ragon_Reel
@Ragon_Reel 4 жыл бұрын
Thomas Casey Yarr he’d be in Lowell, Haverhill, or Billerica
@TB-lj1uf
@TB-lj1uf 4 жыл бұрын
None of those places are cheap either lol
@billvill61
@billvill61 3 жыл бұрын
It's yuppie town, now. During the Big Dig, we had an office right on Dorchester Ave., surrounded by smaller industry and the projects. That's the Southie I see in Good Will Hunting.
@LongLeggedOne
@LongLeggedOne 3 жыл бұрын
The deep south also.. like im gonna have to do.
@LongLeggedOne
@LongLeggedOne 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ragon_Reel
@TannerLB54
@TannerLB54 4 жыл бұрын
6:53 that’s not south of Boston. That’s Charlestown. South Boston’s not even in the shot
@rosethesinger
@rosethesinger 4 жыл бұрын
michael Garrity I was thinking the same thing lol
@leopaul4955
@leopaul4955 4 жыл бұрын
The shot of the L street tavern was real. I've never been inside so can't vouch for it's authenticity.
@TannerLB54
@TannerLB54 4 жыл бұрын
Ken Hudson I don’t know. Some of his landmarks are off to fit his argument I believe
@chrisbullock3504
@chrisbullock3504 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah he doesn’t really make a distinction as Boston/ charlestown and southie
@ronhanisco8697
@ronhanisco8697 4 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say that too. They're looking at the Zakim right at the Garden. From C-town.
@angusorvid8840
@angusorvid8840 2 жыл бұрын
A very good video. I have family in Springfield, French Catholics, and many are married to Irish. I've also visited Boston many times and have family there. I've noticed the very stark class distinctions even when visiting as a child. While I've never seen any outright WASP vs Catholic conflict, I did find the Harvard crowd to be pretentious and absolutely full of themselves, and I heard how they talk down to the underclass, like security guards, cops and firemen. While I've seen my share of class pretension growing up on the wealthy west side of Los Angeles, it was never so starkly delineated as it is in Boston where you can literally have two parks across the street from each other and the wealthy and working-class mother self-segregate. They don't mix and their children don't mix. As Boston is becoming more and more expensive it will become an elite island of its own, a monoclass city like San Franscisco and New York.
@yoavshati
@yoavshati 4 жыл бұрын
literally just watched Good Will Hunting for the first time yesterday
@6allrandom9
@6allrandom9 4 жыл бұрын
So how did you like them apples?
@notsure6187
@notsure6187 4 жыл бұрын
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@Crippycooke
@Crippycooke 4 жыл бұрын
It’s not your fault
@brianmessemer2973
@brianmessemer2973 4 жыл бұрын
Did you get her number? Also, how did you like 'dem apples? @@stopshootfilms4196
@brianmessemer2973
@brianmessemer2973 4 жыл бұрын
Oh damn you beat me to it 😂 @@6allrandom9
@iceberghoney
@iceberghoney 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who's seen a ton of Boston-based movies and has a genuine affection for the city, this video BLEW my mind. From the Irish symbolism in GWH, to the associations around Dunkin', and the representation of Boston women; all of it was incredibly fascinating!
@KenDanieli
@KenDanieli 4 жыл бұрын
Charlestown "The Town" (gritty) and Cambridge (elite) are on the same side of the Charles. Southie, South Boston (gritty) and Downtown Boston and Back Bay (elite) are also on the same side of the Charles (the opposite side from The Town and Cambridge. ) So there goes that one.
@ssgg23
@ssgg23 Жыл бұрын
Yep, that scene he showed while mentioning "The Town" was Charlestown north of Boston, not Southie. You can immediately tell by the Bunker Hill monument.
@psyplat7184
@psyplat7184 4 жыл бұрын
A true Boston hero: Mark Walberg as Captain America
@stopshootfilms4196
@stopshootfilms4196 4 жыл бұрын
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@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, Mark Walberg is intolerable. I have only ever liked him in The Departed. And he is always playing the same character.
@psyplat7184
@psyplat7184 4 жыл бұрын
@@oof-rr5nf I'm sorry, Mark Walberg is a God amongst men. The amount of patience you need to have to act in a Transformers movie is immeasurable.
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 4 жыл бұрын
@@psyplat7184 xD
@ShaunRL
@ShaunRL 4 жыл бұрын
Captain america wouldn't commit a racist hate crime and not apologise for it.
@GolerGkA
@GolerGkA 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have came up with better soundtrack than Dropkick Murphys.
@caffeinatednation8885
@caffeinatednation8885 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed! 🤘
@TheArchsage74
@TheArchsage74 4 жыл бұрын
I miss Robin Williams more than some dead relatives
@mynameisnotjoshua645
@mynameisnotjoshua645 4 жыл бұрын
Jeez
@ketgala
@ketgala 4 жыл бұрын
Ever since I saw that picture of him wearing the Issey Miyake utility bomber I feel the same 😢😢😢
@Codricmon
@Codricmon 4 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating; as a German, I never picked up on any of that, as I don't have any association with Boston. That could be an interesting topic for a video; how the difference in values and associations between different societies possibly influenced different films' success and maybe the way Hollywood creates movies to appeal to a more global audience.
@maxgamesst1
@maxgamesst1 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! One of your best written ones yet
@kenaldri4923
@kenaldri4923 Жыл бұрын
The ivy League hatred is real, as is the Charles river divide. I got in a fight once as a visiting band member from Cornell at a Harvard football game. Kids arriving from poorer neighborhoods practically attacked our band as it marched out of the stadium. Not necessarily Irish kids but working class. True story.
@DailyClickbait
@DailyClickbait 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video talking about the importance of titles?
@nativepangea
@nativepangea 4 жыл бұрын
Too obvious, they are used for breastfeeding.
@DailyClickbait
@DailyClickbait 4 жыл бұрын
@@nativepangea It says *TITLES*
@nativepangea
@nativepangea 4 жыл бұрын
@@DailyClickbait Big and Bold all the much better.
@HusarX579
@HusarX579 4 жыл бұрын
I really like this videos. You go straight to the point not wasting anyones time, while providing some NEW interesting insights.
@Neinzurechts
@Neinzurechts Жыл бұрын
I'm currently working on a scene from Good Will Hunting for an acting class and I came across this video doing research on Boston and it's history. I learned so much (I'm from Germany and didn't know a lot about the Irish people in America) and it inspired me deeply. Thank you so much!
@JayBelew
@JayBelew 4 жыл бұрын
Love this channel and the channel a closer look. You guys related at all? Y’all both do an awesome job of video essays.
@lukefirst407
@lukefirst407 4 жыл бұрын
As a Bostonian, thanks.
@DwRockett
@DwRockett 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, really good look at what is often going on in Boston movies
@loveforeignaccents
@loveforeignaccents 4 жыл бұрын
The things you pick up on always blows my mind!! Thanks for sharing :-)
@Jesse__H
@Jesse__H 4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyable essay as usual. I'm less sure of the particulars of your thesis in this one than some of your others, but hey, it definitely held my attention!
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 4 жыл бұрын
Which particulars?
@Jesse__H
@Jesse__H 4 жыл бұрын
@@oof-rr5nf What I mean is that the _argument_ is ultimately unclear, or maybe just underdeveloped. EFaP makes video essays, right? In each one he's trying to convince his viewer of something. Well in this one I'm mostly unconvinced because I'm not positive what he's trying to claim. Again, tho, great video nonetheless .
@questionmark1152
@questionmark1152 4 жыл бұрын
Even though all the symbolism in "Good Will Hunting" seems purposely placed a lot of it is most likely coincidental because in Irish neighborhoods all those symbols are everywhere. You would have to try hard to not see them. The same goes for the yups at MIT...Any time there is an event by those crowds you're always gonna see American Flags prominently displayed. As for their jackets, those 2 jackets were insanely popular here in Massachusetts, not just with Irish kids. That being said, I still think you did a very good job to find those little "Easter Eggs" throughout the movie, whether they were intentional or not. Haha
@sleeve0
@sleeve0 Жыл бұрын
i was thinking the same thing when i was younger i dressed pretty much the same as goodwill hunting. i even remember having a pure green pair of sweatpants i’d wear often lol
@spadeplaladin5
@spadeplaladin5 4 жыл бұрын
I love how you play The Deli in so many of your videos, subscribed.
@katie3603
@katie3603 4 жыл бұрын
It is kinda wild how Boston is basically a mid-sized city but it occupies such a big place in media
@THEBIGLIE20
@THEBIGLIE20 10 ай бұрын
Greater Boston is pretty big and that’s what they are generally referring to.
@paulsullivan1650
@paulsullivan1650 4 жыл бұрын
I love how he keeps saying that you're upper class if you're from the Cambridge side of the Charles River. Well, I was born and raised in Cambridge, and grew up in one of the many shitty housing projects there. Believe me, Cambridge is not all elite! Yeah, there's Harvard & M.I.T., and some incredibly rich areas, but there's also the crappy neighborhoods that I grew up in too. Just as there is in any city.
@MikeCee7
@MikeCee7 Жыл бұрын
I wonder there is any poor areas today in Cambridge tiday, considering it’s not super large area, and gentrification filling in any place that was once previously affordable.
@David__U
@David__U 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of good observations in this, but the geography seems confused. Cambridge is not part of Boston, and South Boston is not all of Boston. Lines like "Irish were relegated to South Boston, below the Charles River" at 1:15 are odd; while it's true S.Boston is south of the Charles, they aren't really near one another. Beacon Hill and the Financial District (of Boston) are between them. The most egregious errors start at 6:27. While lots of movies and TV shows do show the Charles River, as the narrator says, the shot here is at the mouth of the Mystic River looking south toward the harbor. And at 6:42 the shot is not "looking from South Boston north across the Charles" because again, you can't look across the Charles from South Boston because they are not next to one another! The shot is from Beacon Hill towards Cambridge. At 6:50 he says "the camera starts South of Boston", but what's on screen is the Bunker Hill Monument, which is in Charlestown - a neighborhood to the north of downtown Boston and Southie. So the camera is pointed SOUTH from Charlestown, not NORTH from South Boston!
@chrislorusso433
@chrislorusso433 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The Charles River is not the dividing line at all. It runs straight through the heart of affluent parts of Boston. The only thing it separates is what kind of elite a person is: Educational elites to the north and political/financial elites to the south - and this is still a bit of a generalization.
@mynineridesshotgun
@mynineridesshotgun 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. The commentary over the Bunker Hill shot was bothering me.
@GagReflexSwagReflex
@GagReflexSwagReflex 4 жыл бұрын
If there's one group that represents the working class Irish in Boston it's Beacon Hill!
@shiivainu9442
@shiivainu9442 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing this up!!
@stevemctravel3884
@stevemctravel3884 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying all of this. I was enjoying the video but gritting my teeth at the incorrect geography and the general misconception that “working class and Irish Boston” means Southie. There are some good observations in the video but everyone not from Boston seems to have the impression from movies that Southie is everything south of the Charles River and where all the Irish people live. They need to take a look at a map. Being a working class Irish American from north of the river I take this as a personal insult!
@johnwisniewski8712
@johnwisniewski8712 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis! Bravo sir
@anncurley123
@anncurley123 4 жыл бұрын
As an Irish person I felt in my bones that it would have something to do with us before even watching it 😂
@ronaldviens7862
@ronaldviens7862 Жыл бұрын
Too sensitive for the real Irish.
@ramstrom6399
@ramstrom6399 4 жыл бұрын
I’m from Worcester, MA. My dad is a Swede and my ma is Lithuanian. There are strong communities for both these groups, yet everyone I meet out west asks me what Irish bar I grew up in
@Mister-Christer
@Mister-Christer 4 жыл бұрын
Cool Greetings from Stockholm, Sweden :)
@jackdasilva2330
@jackdasilva2330 3 жыл бұрын
ahaha buddy you live in the buscheeks not boston
@UIAL570
@UIAL570 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I’m Irish, I didn’t know there were those communities in Boston at all. People will ask mostly because they don’t get to study it in school to learn more about it and they won’t learn it from other people even in talking because it wouldn’t come up. Mostly people ask about the Irish because we’re famous. The stereotypical Boston accent is half from us and half from the English Puritans of East Anglia.
@sydvicous7743
@sydvicous7743 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry there’s a large Portuguese community that everyone forgets about too. The only movie we got was Mystic Pizza and they don’t even pronounce Portuguese right 🤦🏻‍♀️ “Porch-oo-geese” not Friggin’ “port-u-geeez” Julia Roberts did us a disservice 🤣
@inconnu4961
@inconnu4961 Жыл бұрын
@@UIAL570 The Irish are infamous!
@potatorebel5673
@potatorebel5673 4 жыл бұрын
Watching this as someone who was born and raised in Boston, and still lives there, is very amusing lmao
@Eddie-xj1pm
@Eddie-xj1pm 4 жыл бұрын
Potato Rebel can’t agree more lol
@LongLeggedOne
@LongLeggedOne 3 жыл бұрын
It can be esp since me and others from the area dont watch all this media shit with these images that much. A lot of it wasnt even like this tbh. Just close into the downtown more like those select parts people film when doing movies.
@JanePeg
@JanePeg 4 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you’d mention Spotlight, just curious how you might see it fit with these other Boston movies. Excellent video.
@akirafelon
@akirafelon 4 жыл бұрын
your videos are the best man. always waiting for the next one lol
@np8041
@np8041 4 жыл бұрын
Were reaching symbolism levels that shouldn't even be possible!
@bonksu2141
@bonksu2141 4 жыл бұрын
I should really be finishing my summer homework because school starts so soon, but I mean, you uploaded a video so I just HAD to stop..
@aR0ttenBANANA
@aR0ttenBANANA 4 жыл бұрын
What type of school gives summer homework. That's wild
@lookingforwhiteprivilege9330
@lookingforwhiteprivilege9330 4 жыл бұрын
aR0ttenBANANA96 tons of schools do. At least in the US
@mariyam9861
@mariyam9861 4 жыл бұрын
lmao Same, I gotta finish AP Lang in the next two days, right before school starts.
@andrewlemay2491
@andrewlemay2491 3 жыл бұрын
You're such a beast man crazy good content every vid
@Donwaz
@Donwaz 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome dude! keep up the great work
@WayTooClose
@WayTooClose 4 жыл бұрын
Boston... I spent a month there one night. (Really good video. I have several friends from Boston I'm going to share this with.)
@KoderKat
@KoderKat 4 жыл бұрын
I've lived in Boston my whole life.. This video was fun to watch lol
@UIAL570
@UIAL570 3 жыл бұрын
This was a really great video. I loved it. I have never noticed the symbolism you pointed out.
@pon7630
@pon7630 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Keep it up with the amazing work friend.
@trason101
@trason101 4 жыл бұрын
I would Love to see a video done about Stereotypes for other races and other states.
@YouTubeKnight
@YouTubeKnight 4 жыл бұрын
It's Boastan! How do you like them apples!
@Daniel-Rosa.
@Daniel-Rosa. 4 жыл бұрын
Bill the Butcher, isn't it?
@ctdesign1503
@ctdesign1503 4 жыл бұрын
wanna fight about
@matimus9533
@matimus9533 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always! Well done with the editing at the start with the Dropkick Murphys.
@chrisdauntly17
@chrisdauntly17 4 жыл бұрын
You make such great videos!
@camillevoyage9727
@camillevoyage9727 4 жыл бұрын
I LOST MY LEG CLIMBING UP THE TOP SAIL I LOST MY LEG
@KidChardonnay
@KidChardonnay 2 жыл бұрын
Im from Australia but i've been a celtics fans since I was a kid, i always loved Boston and identified with the hard nosed blue collar stereotype. If i ever go to the states it'll definitely be my first stop
@JonkiJonkas
@JonkiJonkas 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my god this is such an amazing analysis.
@noahkeller7918
@noahkeller7918 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video man
@jjmblue7
@jjmblue7 4 жыл бұрын
When I think Boston I think of having to ride the T in because driving in the city is somehow an even worse option.
@TR-ru7wl
@TR-ru7wl 4 жыл бұрын
The green line after a sox game taught me patience and pain in equal measure
@ronan4413
@ronan4413 4 жыл бұрын
T R lol
@KindaGrump
@KindaGrump 4 жыл бұрын
I knew before the video started that Shipping Up To Boston would play. And honestly it's the most annoying thing about movies set in Boston. It's become a near requirement to play it at least once.
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 4 жыл бұрын
I'VE LOST MY LEEEEEEG! * cue bagpipes *
@billypilgrim1
@billypilgrim1 4 жыл бұрын
Besides the Departed, tell me more movies, set in Boston, that use that song
@peterk7931
@peterk7931 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to mention ow great that segue into the sponsor was. Top notch! (Not sarcasm. Actual praise.)
@vlngtrsk8
@vlngtrsk8 4 жыл бұрын
You make such quality content
@riinak7212
@riinak7212 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised there wasn't any mention of Boston's North End, with its own Catholic roots traced back to Italy and how the two sometimes match up and sometimes have motives opposite of each other. Bostonians aren't all Irish Catholics or English Protestants. There's also a sizeable Polish Catholic community there, too.
@emmaforde3745
@emmaforde3745 4 жыл бұрын
The north end is almost all Italian
@Udontkno7
@Udontkno7 4 жыл бұрын
And the Black Protestants, which definitely don't have the same power as English protestants.
@riinak7212
@riinak7212 4 жыл бұрын
@@Udontkno7 True, though I was commenting specifically on the specific Boston stereotype they were trying to highlight. There is a large, vibrant black Protestant community in Boston from many different places...but I'm not as familiar with it since I'm not specifically from Boston but I mean, Boston is a multi-cultural city like many other places.
@adamgordon6435
@adamgordon6435 4 жыл бұрын
The North End was a Jewish neighborhood before it became Italian. Those immigration waves happened at about the same time, which is why Little Italy & the Lower East Side were next to each other in NYC. Boston also has had sizeable Greek & Portuguese populations (maybe more than Polish).
@ctdesign1503
@ctdesign1503 4 жыл бұрын
@@adamgordon6435 now they all move to brookline and sharon ...still some in the north end but not like back in the day
@Onyxkokoro96
@Onyxkokoro96 4 жыл бұрын
I will say that their addict population is the most bold I've ever seen.
@ctdesign1503
@ctdesign1503 4 жыл бұрын
how so ?
@timslager5966
@timslager5966 4 ай бұрын
At 6:30 you talk about the Charles River, this shot is from the Tobin Bridge overlooking the Mystic River. Otherwise, i enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing 👍 👍
@Mageit
@Mageit Жыл бұрын
That was the greatest Segway into a sponsor ad in the history of KZbin. Also, great video!
@Alex617x
@Alex617x 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. I’m from Boston. This was awesome and so accurate.
@conan_der_barbar
@conan_der_barbar 4 жыл бұрын
I know the Departed was released years ago but I'm not sure those spoilers Werte necessary.
@LawNerd24
@LawNerd24 2 жыл бұрын
Right?
@ph4tcat
@ph4tcat 4 жыл бұрын
I love how he flows into the ad, by the time its over, I have seen the whole thing. LOL
@aro5490
@aro5490 2 жыл бұрын
this was interesting. I would love to see how you would incorporate Spotlight into your analysis of iconic Boston films
@alessandrocwilliam
@alessandrocwilliam 4 жыл бұрын
Irish immigrants (to the USA) had practically the same difficulties that Italians had. And if it wasn't enough both flags are very similar. Brothers, no doubts.
@vaquita4857
@vaquita4857 4 жыл бұрын
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@juliettailor1616
@juliettailor1616 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, they don't really like each other (Bostonian here). Totally different cultures.
@LongLeggedOne
@LongLeggedOne 3 жыл бұрын
@@juliettailor1616 Im Italian, and guess what, at a time 2 other italians, one even browner than me, called me a mexican. The last name I had both didnt notice as Italian which was a fucking riot. ITS MEXICAN NACHO! Im like um no its not. So people bicker over things like that still. and sometimes u would be called a hick if u lived in a town someone didnt know. as far as irish and italian fights over culture though, I didnt see a ton of it. I do believe the Irish hated the blacks though as well as the puerto ricans. Some Italians also did.
@LongLeggedOne
@LongLeggedOne 3 жыл бұрын
@@juliettailor1616 I grew up beside Lowell. I had uncles in Boston but I didnt live in Boston. I am not sicilian, i had a different sounding last name than the other italians, I am taller and I guess ppl didnt know what I was. but mexican of all things was assumed in this situation. And I have not been to Italy wtf.. U seem quite irritated I hope u're not on a period
@juliettailor1616
@juliettailor1616 3 жыл бұрын
The majority of Italians are racially (yeah sorry to use that word) light skinned, you aren't, I take it. It's an understandable mistake. I have Sicilian relatives (by marriage, I have no Italian blood) from the North End. I got to know them and the culture fairly well.
@Kyleology
@Kyleology 4 жыл бұрын
They come from Boston, I'd imagine.
@bitterOrangish
@bitterOrangish 4 жыл бұрын
This is perfect for school project I'm doing. This is some miraculous timing.
@srijanmallina4731
@srijanmallina4731 4 жыл бұрын
Bro I love your work so much
@error.418
@error.418 4 жыл бұрын
7:35 *raises the question, it's not circular logic
@XandroR2
@XandroR2 4 жыл бұрын
TF2 Scout: How about me?
@remaininginlight
@remaininginlight 4 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT video. So interesting.
@dazyjones6234
@dazyjones6234 2 жыл бұрын
👍🤗Very interesting...never knew that! Always good when things are explained ☺️
@harwantsethi2350
@harwantsethi2350 4 жыл бұрын
Whoever recorded this seems to think that everything in the actual city of Boston is 'Southie'
@Alex-cw3rz
@Alex-cw3rz 4 жыл бұрын
Now answer why did The departed have three look a likes as major characters and why did they leave out Ben Affleck to get a 4 way going.
@skottyo
@skottyo 4 жыл бұрын
All whites look the same to me.
@aidengoulet2104
@aidengoulet2104 3 жыл бұрын
Scorsese would never cast Affleck
@7roECiLwEl
@7roECiLwEl 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for pointing to all these details in good will hunting.. Wow, I'm amazed how much effort is put into these seemingly background things by directors
@SonRob01
@SonRob01 4 жыл бұрын
Love the song choice of shipping up to Boston
@ranchu85
@ranchu85 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a Boston movie that shows Boston as it is now with the Irish as elites, and the new immigrants are the Vietnamese, Haitians, and Portuguese
@dolphwong
@dolphwong 4 жыл бұрын
0:30 I put up that yellow and white tent in the background. True story
@thomasharris1090
@thomasharris1090 4 жыл бұрын
dolphwolf do tell
@dolphwong
@dolphwong 4 жыл бұрын
Not much of a story to tell. I used to work for a tent company putting up tents for all kinds of events in the Boston area. On any given day you could be working on the Charles setting up for some elite function, putting up tents the size of football fields for Harvard or MIT graduation. On this particular day we showed up at Harvard and we were told that they were filming a Robin Williams movie.
@MistyDusker
@MistyDusker 4 жыл бұрын
I immediately remembered Bill Burr talking about the Boston stereotypes when I saw the title. Happy you put him in the beginning of the video.
@TheSwordfish97
@TheSwordfish97 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@aaronclift
@aaronclift 4 жыл бұрын
The stereotype of Boston might be of Irish-Americans - but Boston happens to be one of the most culturally-diverse cities in the United States.
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 4 жыл бұрын
oh cool!
@oof-rr5nf
@oof-rr5nf 4 жыл бұрын
@Gery A wow dude your world view is hella sad
@johnmarshall3560
@johnmarshall3560 4 жыл бұрын
Polish, Italian, Irish, Jewish, Haitian, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Brazilian, Vietnamese, Portuguese, and many more The Protestant vs. Irish narrative is extremely reductive and ignores most of Boston's history, *especially* the busing crisis and blockbusting, which really defined the city politically and were definitely not "Irish Catholic vs. English Protestant". Also that guy Marky Mark blinded in 1988 definitely wasn't a WASP... It saddens me that movies convinced people my city is just one extremely dumb stereotype
@ethanelephants4740
@ethanelephants4740 4 жыл бұрын
You’re not wrong, come see how many Irish you find in JP
@aaronclift
@aaronclift 4 жыл бұрын
@@ethanelephants4740 I went to Tufts University for college and didn't have a car back then, so JP was pretty far away from me. But, I did go to Cambridge and downtown Boston a lot and remember there being a very wide mix of different cultures and nationalities in the area.
@lopez446
@lopez446 4 жыл бұрын
"when you think of Boston what comes to mind?" Fallout 4
@GrandTheftDiamonds
@GrandTheftDiamonds 4 жыл бұрын
"Park the car in the yard? How about I hammer you in the heart with a haymaker?" - Diamond City Security
@KarlBunker
@KarlBunker 4 жыл бұрын
Good video and the most compelling Skillshare ad I've seen. (Still not going to sign up, though.) 😊
@TheShadow7426
@TheShadow7426 4 жыл бұрын
Love these analysis videos! Have you considered directing your own films? I think these days most directors can't make a decent film lol.
@makingcostumes
@makingcostumes 4 жыл бұрын
Manchester by the sea, is north of Boston.
@rosethesinger
@rosethesinger 4 жыл бұрын
Richelle Murray I was thinking the same thing. He also showed a shot of bunker hill which is north of Boston and said it was a shot of south Boston.
@leopaul4955
@leopaul4955 4 жыл бұрын
@@rosethesinger Bunker Hill is in Charlestown, a part of Boston, close to North End.
@rosethesinger
@rosethesinger 4 жыл бұрын
Leo Paul what are you trying to say here? I just said it was a shot of bunker hill because it’s well known to be on the Northern side of Boston. People from the area more often know where bunker hill is versus where Charlestown is.
@leopaul4955
@leopaul4955 4 жыл бұрын
@@rosethesinger Sorry Rose. I must have misunderstood. I thought you said North of Boston. I didn't realize you said North side of Boston, whichi s absolutely correct. My bad.
@uncomfortablecat
@uncomfortablecat 4 жыл бұрын
I see Bill Burr, I like the video.
@robchuk4136
@robchuk4136 4 жыл бұрын
I must have only watching it a few times, but I never noticed the Irish color schemes in Good Will Hunting. Mind. Blown.
@missxxfrankiexxd
@missxxfrankiexxd 4 жыл бұрын
I know that I'm like a year late, but Dunkin's is definitely very Boston / Mass. The first shop was opened in Quincy.
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