Where Do Fetishes Come From? - Ray Blanchard | Maiden Mother Matriarch 108

[@maidenmothermatriarch]

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[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

Yeah yeah, apparently it's just as important to study humans, as it is to convert them to the old, magical tribe... are we not going to bother, 'seeking the spheres to connect them?' (Ok, my lute, I am Donne).

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

Those statistics on male vs female bisexuality don't seem to take male shame into account. Many bisexual males suppress their same sex attraction even to themselves. Since they are also attracted to women, this is much easier to them than it is for homosexual males. And yet, even I, as a homosexual male with no attraction at all to women, was in denial well into my twenties, despite living in a very open society. I'd have declared to be straight on an anonymous survey. I suspect many bisexual males would deny it to the day they die.

[@honberg193]

Ray's colleague Mike Bailey undertook some studies regarding male bisexuality. His results showed some correlation between the old adage of gay, straight or lying. What he found was that there was a distinct preference.

[@tchocky71]

I appreciate Professor Blanchard's skepticism. What a relief!

[@jaywalks9918]

**[00:00 - 01:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Introduction **[01:00 - 05:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Discussing the Birth Order Effect **[05:00 - 10:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Research Findings on Siblings' Influence **[10:00 - 15:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs0)** - Biological Explanations for the Birth Order Effect **[15:00 - 20:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Genetic, Immune System, and Hormonal Factors **[20:00 - 25:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Social Changes and the Rise of Non-Binary Identifications **[25:00 - 30:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Male vs. Female Homosexuality: Biological Differences **[30:00 - 35:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Paraphilia vs. Homosexuality: Social and Scientific Perspectives **[35:00 - 40:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Cultural Views on Homosexuality and Third-Gender Identities **[40:00 - 45:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Exploring "Fa’afafine" and Western Transsexualism **[45:00 - 50:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs)** - Impact of Hormonal Levels on Sexual Orientation **[50:00 - 55:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5q9fKCemKitnbs0)** - Concluding Remarks and Summary of Key Points

[@liveyourbestlife1513]

Would it follow then that societies with larger families have a greater proportion of individuals with same aexattraction?

[@afroqueerlens]

This is so insightful. Thank you, Professor

[@redjasper9458]

I would like to ask about the prevalence of childhood sexual abuse in homosexual's backgrounds and also the progression of pornography use and eventually ending up with a desire to see she/male content. It's hard to believe there is never a connection. The question is how much of one. I heard a gay man once say that his childhood sexual abuse caused immense shame that during the course of his sexual development became erotisized. He claimed that he was thereafter unable to extract the two. His sexual desires and his shame were motivators for his homosexual behaviors. I wonder if that's just him or if that's the case for others, and if so, how often? I guess these questions would get an interviewer canceled but in the interest of science and understanding they are certainly valid and aren't judgemental.

[@apocalypse12345]

There IS no corrélation between CSA and ssa .

[@Miloslav89]

A strong correlation was also found between the sexual abuse of boys and gender nonconformity, regardless of sexual orientation. Yes, even heterosexual men can be, and often are, effeminate, just as there are many more masculine homosexual men. Nevertheless, homosexual men are on average more gender-atypical in their outward, visible morphology, habits, interests, and/or even neurological activity (which influences personality) than heterosexual men Given these findings, it is logical that they are at a higher risk of sexual abuse in childhood compared to heterosexual men. You're confusing cause and effect with this correlation.

[@dukecity7688]

Better a question that can't be answered than an answer that can't be questioned. You reminded me of that Carl Sagan gem.

[@redjasper9458]

@dukecity7688 Science IS questions. I'd also ask about fatherlessness. I've had honest discussion with my gay friends but it would be nice if science was at least a little curious. I do think women are probably more prone to be more affected by adverse childhood events in this way. My adopted daughter said she thinks she's attracted to nurturing women because she never bonded with her biological mother and didn't have a surrogate until much later. We will acknowledge these effects on heterosexual behavior but not homosexual. Every heard of daddy issues? It's a heterosexual thing

[@afroqueerlens]

The majority of gay people were not sexually abused as children, and even then it's linked to their gender non-conformity (90% of homosexuals displayed childhood gnc) amongst other factors that make them more vulnerable. They were not "turned gay" as you are implying, being gay makes them vulnerable

[@laurence7181]

"...Like whether or not we're going to cut the crust off our cucumber sandwiches..." !!!!

[@RAMBLINTRANSMAN]

Im a transguy and previous (some may say current haha) lesbian who’s been around alot of lesbians and they do tend to have other masculinized features (on average I would say) than heterosexual women. Broader shoulders, bigger hands and feet, male pattern digit ratio, lower voices, more body hair, slimmer hips, etc., more boyish or masculine/androgynous facial features etc. Not all but I’ve definitely noticed more dimorphic traits in addition to masculinization of sexual orientation.

[@alemusicgirl]

correlation =/= causation.

[@paulatreides4274]

The old flannel shirt and work boots used to be the give away but that was the old days.

[@patriciag6030]

I’m a lesbian and I have a boyish face and get mistaken for male all the time. It’s an interesting phenomenon.

[@alemusicgirl]

@@patriciag6030 it's just coincidence

[@patriciag6030]

@@alemusicgirl Says who? It’s not completely out of the realms of possibility that whatever it is that masculinises women to make them attracted to other women might also masculinise them in other ways.

[@howmanybeansmakefive]

There’s still a deeply dualist approach to mind/body | brain/behaviour in most lay-discussions, but which is especially inapt for neuroscience/psychiatry/development. Regarding whether homosexuality/a sexual practice is a paraphilia or orientation, that categorization fundamentally a psychiatric schema (later adopted by psychologists). There will always be the tension of parsing: inherited vs environmental; determinism vs agency; socially constructed/political vs biological... at the core of psychiatric research/investigation, psychiatric investigation necessarily lies right at the interface of those binaries. This is why psychiatry is as much a vocation requiring phronesis to navigate them, and is not just a biological science. Fundamentally all psychiatric illness lie at various positions on that spectrum (even schizophrenia, from paranoid delusions to general hippy-woo schizotypal personality). In the DSM there is the omnipresent diagnostic refrain/criteria of the symptoms causing 'harmful interference to friends/family/work life...' i.e. there is always a socially constructed aspected to all these categories/diagnoses, including whether homosexuality is a paraphilia. But this isn't really a 'gotcha', it is only recently that psychiatry has been seen (internally and externally) to have it's foundations in biological research and causes. To my mind the biological mapping is whether a sexual behaviour is reproductive or not - (but then there will still be socially constructed extensions, e.g. is hetero foreplay pro-repro? Or non-repro hetero sex, pro-repro sociality, and hetero fetishes) - while the primary social category/mapping is whether the behaviors are pro-social or cause social harm (which will always be reevaluated in different social/cultural contexts); psych categorization will always grapple with both of these fact/value categories, and there is a fundamental limit to how much one can say about the other (the Hume/naturalistic fallacy, albeit I am not as strict about Hume's guillotine given my non-dualism). I say this all as a gay man, who is also skeptical of the 'born this way' approach.

[@DrLimbic]

It's not the only biological effect whether gender dimorphic behavior is reproductive. There are higher levels effects like intra and intersexual competition and protection of siblings. It may well become a subject of research to measure the survival benefit of nonreproductive sibling who "adopts" other siblings or their children for protection and resources in order to launch their common genes into the future in a sort of altruistic paradigm. I suspect that's what may be happening with homosexual siblings.

[@howmanybeansmakefive]

​@@DrLimbic For sure, that's a perspective in evolutionary psychology which, as a field, tries to fit together social and biological frames of explanation, my point is that getting caught up in viewing it dualistically (i.e. whether a behavior/category is either socially constructed or inherited) can be a folly.

[@tchocky71]

This interesting, (approximately 04:48) about offspring knowing about their mother's still births and miscarriages. I am a Generation X person and my mother talked about her miscarriages more than once, and I know people of younger generations as well as my peers who knew their mothers' miscarriages. Many or most people I know would know their parents' birth years as well.

[@Sairfecht]

I’m homosexual; second born son of three (sons). Older and younger brothers are heterosexual. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@apocalypse12345]

Im homosexual as well . Im thé youngest After 4 sisters .

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

Yeah I'm gay and thinking of all the male gay people I know - they are many - and I'm not seeing this pattern at all among them. Myself I have 4 older brothers, so I could fit this pattern, but then my second older brother is also gay... My (obviously gay) partner is the oldest son, and his only brother is also gay. I can't think of a single gay acquaintance that has many older brothers.

[@apocalypse12345]

@@wjdeoliveira3809 he Saïd that also sisters Can affect thé sexual orientation of the late born

[@thomasthompson2361]

This happens a lot in discussion. Someone will cite a statistics like 7 in 10 men behave like X. Then a male will say well I'm male and I don't behave like X. Okay. You are the 3 in 10. Everyone on this this thread has anecdotal evidence compared to the statistics. This man in the interview was very good at not talking about absolutes.

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

@@thomasthompson2361 But if you hae a large social circle, that is more than just anecdotal. It's a small sample, but it has statistical value. I don't know how large the samples were in the studies he bases this on, but he talks about several studies with rather small samples.

[@afifahhamilton8843]

Left handed ness is pretty strongly correlated with schizophrenia, as well as sexual mis-direction. Shyness also! Shyness is clearly excessive self consciousness, or self involvement, or maybe better put as self-centredness. Is shyness correlated with sexual mis-directedness? I wonder if the research has even been done!

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

Sorry, but the "born this way?" question has absolutely no bearing on whether you or the state has the right to interfere with my sexual relationships with consenting ADULTS. I do think I was born this way, but it should be irrelevant to you. Even if I caused myself to be attracted to my partner, what's it to you? It's literally none of your business. That's where the practical distinction is between homosexuality and attraction to minors.

[@skylinefever]

@@wjdeoliveira3809 critics of certain things love to conflate the consenting and the non consenting to ruin the argument. Much like how the anti sexwork crowd want it to all be human trafficking.

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

The science is human sexuality is everyone's business. You can't gate-keep it. The assumption that homosexuals were born that way led to a false assumption that everything under the "LGBT" banner was also also product of birth. Specifically the "T".

[@skylinefever]

When I think of fetishism, I often think of the school uniform fetish. I live in the USA. School uniforms are very uncommon here. I was told by holy men that school uniforms prevent boys from thinking dirty thoughts. Then I turned 14. I wanted a cosplayer girlfriend. I kind of laughed. That take on IQ and which criminals get caught is interesting. Would be interesting to know the IQ of Epstein clients. There are discussions about births rates being crushed by the very existence of alt gender people existing openly. I just asked how only recently Thailand had birth rates drop below 2.1. They had ladyboys for decades before then. When I think of the shemale interest, I think about how some like drawings but not real ones. 32:11 This isn't exactly why I discussed the upside of making OTC anti-h0rny tabs exist, but this could end up being one.

[@VariantAEC]

What is the economic situation in Thailand? It seems that poor economic conditions exist in Japan, South Korea, China, most of Europe, and the US. The birthrates in all the above listed countries are falling. You could argue that all the following countries have seen a rise in 'alt-genders', but 'alt-genders' are not new. So why does it seem that poor economic conditions closely align with drops in birthrates? In Thailand, the economic situation is considered good overall, but the cost of living is high in the country for its own citizens. This is likely a part of the reason why birthrates are falling in Thailand.

[@Slavva99]

Considering that modernized western nations have seen rising rates of people identifying as lgbt (of course recognizing the lesser stigmatization)… could we possibly consider the effects of contraceptive pills on the body of mothers, and the possibility of its impact on the sexual development of her offspring?

[@SophieHamilton-d3e]

I sometimes comment in KZbin comment sections on the way men look too so before anyone says ‘why do people always comment on the way women look but not men?’ - I comment on men too😂

[@colly7963]

I love the fact no one has commented on your comment! 😂

[@SophieHamilton-d3e]

@@colly7963 you just did! 😂.

[@colly7963]

@@SophieHamilton-d3e You're right. I couldn't help myself 🤭

[@allrequiredfields]

Take a drink every time he says 'Faʻafafine' lol

[@RachelRichards]

I'm the third born male in my family, born to a nearly 40 year old mother, and attracted exclusively to men, have a feminine digit ratio, and have a petite bone structure.

[@Jace7310]

You look like a girl

[@NightsideOfParadise]

Whatever your authentic you is remember that it's fine to be that.

[@alemusicgirl]

you are still a a male you are not a female ... as there are many physical like you among male who are heterosexual

[@defennia]

I was last born MaB in my family had two older sisters and one older brother while being born to a mother at age 42. I tend to struggle at times with thoughts over men, and tend to have a feminine demeanor often a lot of the time.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

I'm almost always interested in anthro/sci topics. Some worthwhile info here that I didn't know. Gotta say though, not sure, but have the funny feeling some of my particular idiosyncrasies are maybe getting put under the microscope with this one. Doesn't really matter to me what anyone's into. Myself, I'm straight, fairly vanilla, and fairly nerdy/eccentric (which affects how I appear and communicate). I have a theory, that immigrant groups which are unusual in a region, might always have non-relatable, largely innate, expressive behavioral tendencies, of certain kinds. Not so (I'd argue) if there is a sizable immigrant population in an area, even if their tendencies seem foreign. Like Chinese Americans, very foreign-seeming culture, but there are plenty of them so they have a presence, it's clear they're different, but people can broadly discern who they are, and what they're like. Members of a group might also primarily remain within, and interact with their own local immigrant-subculture, at least for 1-2 generations. For myself: we do NOT have Northern Italians in the Anglosphere, and they're distinct. (Whole other story in South America). Imagine the Milei-type, fairly colorful, sort of like Austrian mixed with French sense of humor. Again, it's a subtle thing, ethno-behavioral demeanors that people don't especially know how to treat, categorize or respond to, when they're unfamiliar. (No one intends to misperceive, just what happens sometimes, in very eclectic societies). That's like a quarter for me. Rest of my profile is pretty typical, for mixed/Italian American: twice as much Southern Italian, as British-Germanic.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

Being Louise's parasocial, anthro/experimental test subject, is almost too much fun for me.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

A Lotus Eaters culture-music-related clip, plus my recent OP here, reminded me that this is probably why (Austrian/French type-sensibilities) Webern and Debussy are some of the only classical I listen to. I'm trippin' out on this self-realization.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

Ray Blanchard diminishes trans widows, the ex-wives of the men he diagnosed as transsexuals. For our stories, Behind the Looking Glass at Lime Soda Films YouT chan. For data on us, which he should have kept through an independent group asking us about how we and our children managed, channel on YT in the handle name here. Shame on you, Ray Blanchard, for saying "the wives don't like it."

[@dakota-sessions]

What has he diminished? He's a scientist who is reporting his findings based on research. It sounds to me like you want him to give you some kind of emotional response. That's not the job of a scientist.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

@@dakota-sessions Ray Blanchard did not conduct clean research. You've been gaslit.

[@apebass2215]

​@@dakota-sessions he didn't just "report his findings", he enabled these men to destroy their families.

[@searose6192]

5:02 That seems like a major flaw in this research...not talking to the mothers. It could be any sort of environmental impact in the womb.

[@NualaAhern-d5g]

With regard to lesbianism there is some anecdotal evidence that early mother deprivation plays a role.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Trying to replace the emotional intimacy of a mother, with the physical intimacy of a lover?

[@afroqueerlens]

Thank goodness anecdotal "evidence" is useless

[@RCCarDude]

The YT ministry of truth with their "conversion therapy" link at the top 😂

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Beats me where fetishes come from!

[@KatAdVictoriam]

Ha! Right? Misleading title this time. It should be "Birth Order Theory on Sexual Orientation" instead.

[@cebruthius]

Beats you? It whips me 😆

[@Fenristhegreat]

44:01 - Bless him! 😂

[@krisspinden]

"Born this way" doesn't mean, "Can't provide treatment to change".

[@krisspinden]

@bigred-m9h I agree with you. We should never be judge someone poorly or discriminate against someone who has same sex attraction. And they should consider themselves a noble being. However, when we add God and religion into this equation it seems that all the major religions have writings that warn against the act of homosexuality (not against the idea that someone can be a homosexual). If one is a believer in one of these religions, and they believe that these laws and ordinances are God ordained then there might be a need for a treatment.

[@krisspinden]

@bigred-m9h Makes perfect sense. However, there are many, including myself who see religion as a guiding light.

[@dakota-sessions]

You cannot change the sexual orientation of a male, as that is located in the thalamus (a part of the brain that is not plastic).

[@krisspinden]

@bigred-m9h Yes, and visa versa. Believe whatever you like, but don't expect the rest of society to operate under the principles of whatever your guiding light is. I also believe that reason should not be separated from religion. The belief in religion should be rational.

[@skylinefever]

@bigred-m9h I just think about how religion works for some and not others. I say that at best it might be a Plato Noble Lie.

[@dakota-sessions]

Ray! Hell yeah!

[@lostcauselancer333]

But are traps gay?

[@skylinefever]

I once joked about at comic cons having signs for public toilets. Men Women Astolfo and Bridget

[@MidNightRider2001]

This guy is funny. 🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆🦆

[@johnmartin4650]

Research in the1930s in Germany………..yikes !

[@NualaAhern-d5g]

This research is not well verified in my opinion. Male homosexuality is ubiquitous across cultures if men are denied access to women until they marry or if they are in only male environments such as military units or celibate religious environments. It does not mean that they identify as homosexual, or that they do not marry when they can do so. They just avail of the sexual outlet available to them. Modern Western culture is an outlier in identifying according to sexual preference.most cultures regard it as recreational sex.

[@dakota-sessions]

You're confusing behavior with preferred attraction.

[@crossroads670]

lol I can assure you, men who cannot get access to women are watching p*rn videos of women... not men.

[@nodruj8681]

Western culture is not an outlier in fact, seeing distinction is historically noted in most major cultures.. just because some primitive tribes disagree doesnt suddenly make it true.

[@CS-mf5un]

Almost every single gay person i know, male and female, are first borns.

[@jayjee735]

The gay men in know were all sexually abused by men as minors...

[@VariantAEC]

​@@jayjee735 This aligns with data I have gleaned from sociological peer reviewed papers from the 90s through to the present day. Ironically, I know women who were abused in a similar manner by males, but they often become lesbians.

[@FarfettilLejl]

This applies to me too. First born, male and gay, followed by two straight sisters

[@jordondaniels9276]

Kind of telling how visibly the interviewer is restraining herself from asking "so what makes these freaks like this?"

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

What does it tell you?

[@Tad20243]

@@jenniferlawrence2701 It tells me ( cannot speak for Jordon Daniels, of course) that the interviewer is acting in bad faith and that she has some undeclared desire to see homosexuals as "weirdos" It is a feeling I get very strongly.

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

​@@Tad20243 You could be imagining things. Blanchard is a researcher into sexual practices which are by definition unusual - not the norm. If you're part of a niche sexual subculture being discussed then perhaps any questioning is going to seem intrusive and insensitive because your experience is entirely normal to you. But to the rest of us it is unusual, and so asking researchers what the science says is illuminating.

[@bbainter7880]

Well....they are statistically abnormal, so "freaks" is the correct term.

[@wikkidperson]

Louise, you are more distractingly beautiful even than usual.

[@SophieHamilton-d3e]

Agreed. Louise should continue to big up the eyes and ditch the red lipsticks. I hope it’s not offensive to talk about her looks like this. Looks and brains aside (and she’s got both!) she’s a good soul.

[@wil404]

Creepy

[@davidhughes8795]

@@wil404 Why is that creepy?

[@wil404]

@davidhughes8795 If you don't understand why gushing over the physical appearance of a married stranger on the internet might be considered creepy, you haven't socialized yourself well. Not everything you think needs to be said aloud. This woman spent about an hour conducting a professional and academic interview, and the first comment is about how she looks. If you think a woman is beautiful, just enjoy the view. Don't drool on yourself.

[@SophieHamilton-d3e]

@@wil404 I was struck by Louise’s lovely new look and commented on it too. I’m heterosexual female. Do you think I’m creepy too?

[@musicians_with_gunts]

It doesn't explain why we should accept, and celebrate homosexuality.

[@paintsilj]

We shouldn't

[@Sairfecht]

Probably accept it because it happens - throughout time and across cultures. What’s the big deal? I mean, who care these days? As to celebrating homosexuality, what not just celebrate humanity - that we are all so similar and yet unique.

[@dakota-sessions]

If they are born with the preferred attraction to the same sex and you cannot accept it, what do you want to do about it? Lock them away? Worse?

[@musicians_with_gunts]

@@dakota-sessions That's their tough shit. You wouldn't accept other forms of sexual disorder, what's so special about homosexuality?

[@musicians_with_gunts]

@@Sairfecht Rape, incest and pederasty have happened throughout history... should the rest of us allow them to continue to happen?

[@farscape1975]

Darn it girl--Louise cut out the make up especially around your eyes! You are pretty as you are. This makes you distracting! Over over-made up! Love your book and show!

[@Kaytlin_]

Her makeup looks amazing

[@MyOhMy050]

She can wear whatever she wants. It’s her body. It’s not YOUR body, you can’t tell her to “cut it out”. She looks pretty with and without makeup. She will wear as much eye makeup as she wants period.

[@moldenhaver]

Trauma. Older siblings traumatize 60percent younger siblings. Larger twins usual stay straight

[@wikkidperson]

Diasagree. I support Louise’s aesthetic choices. Distracting? Always. This makeup? Carrying it off nicely.

[@lovelylight]

@@wikkidperson She looks fantastic.

[@dicey8928]

I still think its in your genetics 🍌🐈