Where is the NTSB? Sapelo Ferry Dock Collapse

[@CatmintJelly]

Bless you for taking the time and covering this unfortunate situation.

[@MarqusW1]

Great coverage, Captain Andy....since I was that guy who moved for the induction into the Minorcan Navy of the 8 heroes of the Francis Scott Key Bridge destruction which included 6 posthumous inductions, I raise my hand as a member of the Minorcan Navy to move the inductions of the Sapelo souls who perished recently into our ranks...

[@geraldineaherne9763]

Great suggestion. Thank you.

[@billalexander3425]

Thanks for informing us on the NTSB non involvement with this investigation. Big KSchux

[@pamelamcgurk2101]

Thank you for updates. Please keep the facts available to dispute whatever false news comes out. Thanks for watching the gov over this tragedy

[@MinorcanMullet]

I agree. The public deserves answers.

[@geraldineaherne9763]

Comfort and condolences to everyone involved. Thank you Captain Andy for your continued coverage. Hopefully lessons will be learned from this.

[@jimturpin6503]

Thanks for the update. Usually, after a mass casualty event, you see multiple government agencies arguing about who has jurisdiction. Something strange is going on here.

[@ingridseim1379]

Condolences, too, to the residents of Sapelo Island. They seem like genuinely caring people who are also traumatized by this. 🙏🙏🙏

[@kathrynlouise]

Thank you for listing names of decased

[@Sushi2735]

This is simply a tragedy! I can see Sapelo from my front porch across the marsh. We all have many house guests when you live on the coast. Of course a trip to Sapelo Island and Harris Neck Wildlife Preserve are on the normal tour. My heart simply breaks for these families, it boggles the mind how the new dock cold collapse. I am so sorry for each family.

[@MinorcanMullet]

Thank you for your thoughtful comment

[@_tyger_jones_]

Very interesting 🤔 I'm sure we'll hear more about why the NTSB wasn't triggered into investigation mode. THANK YOU SIR

[@josephvalentjr7677]

Honorable Man Captain Andy. Keep telling their Story. Those that lost their Lives Because of Someone’s Lack of Incompetence, is an Outrage

[@louisquatorze9280]

coast guard has to decide this and trigger further investigation

That was a terrible accident. Probably too much weight on that ramp or gangway. I was a Border Patrol Agent and got several details to Fletc as an instructor. That was soft duty compared to the border. I lived on St. Simon's Island at various places and liked it there very much. I took that ferry out to Sapelo Island and went on a tour. I think Otis Redding was from there. The old R J Reynolds aluminum dynasty mansion us still there. That whole area is rich in history. I watched every episode of your coverage of the big car carrier that capsized between Jekyll and St. Simon's. What a project that was. I wondered if even 1 of the cars was salvaged. My sympathy to the deceased and their loved ones.

[@jerzecandy]

thank you

[@MinorcanMullet]

My pleasure!

[@williamlloyd3769]

USCG glossary: § 4.03-2 Serious marine incident. The term serious marine incident includes the following events involving a vessel in commercial service: (a) Any marine casualty or accident as defined in § 4.03-1 which is required by § 4.05-1 to be reported to the Coast Guard and which results in any of the following: (1) One or more deaths; (2) An injury to a crewmember, passenger, or other person which requires professional medical treatment beyond first aid, and, in the case of a person employed on board a vessel in commercial service, which renders the individual unfit to perform routine vessel duties; (3) Damage to property, as defined in § 4.05-1(a)(7) of this part, in excess of $200,000; (4) Actual or constructive total loss of any vessel subject to inspection under 46 U.S.C. 3301; or (5) Actual or constructive total loss of any self-propelled vessel, not subject to inspection under 46 U.S.C. 3301, of 100 gross tons or more. (b) A discharge of oil of 10,000 gallons or more into the navigable waters of the United States, as defined in 33 U.S.C. 1321, whether or not resulting from a marine casualty. (c) A discharge of a reportable quantity of a hazardous substance into the navigable waters of the United States, or a release of a reportable quantity of a hazardous substance into the environment of the United States, whether or not resulting from a marine casualty.

[@canufi6my]

The accident wasn't in or on a vessel.

[@patriciapierce1744]

Great information

[@MinorcanMullet]

Thanks for watching!

[@canufi6my]

I might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I never get on a crowded elevator, deck, balcony, foot bridge, ramp or boat! I even sit close to a door when I go out.

[@MinorcanMullet]

Self preservation is good insurance

[@jimweinheimer]

Andy, Looking at the ramp when it was suspended by the crane, you could see a failed weld on the main beam on the catwalk. My question is :did a structural engineer sign off on the design/length/ expected weight etc. Or was it just the company who has been building docks winging it on the design. The examples you filmed at the dock company seemed to show that the ramps were always of the same material. The weld I am referring to is the butt weld of the lower beam. It would have been better to use a tapered splice weld for one and second it is clear that there was no penetration at the weld joint. I also wonder who came up with the dock design. Was it DNR or the dock company.

[@MinorcanMullet]

All valid questions that I do not have an answer for as now the standard and expected "It's under investigation" response is usually the answer.

[@kellythompson4663]

Captain Andy, I saw this reported on CNN today, I can't understand the NTSB So sad

[@edshelden7590]

Another great report captain ANDY. The story about the NTSB not being interested, is very concerning.. People died, and it was sort of kind of Marin, transportation, and play . I do have a few other questions, but I don’t want to publish them here. If I can figure out a direct email address to you I would ask the question or privately. I live in California, so I have no real idea of the culture, the geographical conditions, and that sort of thing that you’re dealing with If this happened in San Francisco Bay, where I live, there would be all kinds of public and private agencies, tripping all over themselves, trying to get some answers . The other thing I’m not quite sure of I’m assuming that’s a total area? So tight goes up and down And the position of the book goes up and down I’m assuming that the ramp goes up and down or pivots of a down? So, if the ramp is a rather steep incline, it makes it very difficult for people in wheelchairs to get access from sure to ship This now gets us into the ADA California has very strict ADA requirements for anything involved with ramps

[@MinorcanMullet]

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[@perryallan3524]

The NTSB is not staffed to investigate every incident involving loss of life. Nor would you want it to be. The kind of investigation they do is called a "Root Cause Investigation." There are several private companies who do these kinds of investigations for lessor incidents that do not warrant the attention of the NTSB. I'm sure that the State DOT and the Coast Guard knows who these companies are. Aviation, Medical, and Nuclear uses Root Cause Investigations all the time. I was a Root Cause Investigator when I was working in nuclear power. I was one of about 6 of them for the plant; along with my normal program and system engineering job.

[@mikerobbins3692]

Hey Captain Andy.

[@atinwoodsman]

Interesting, wonder if the governor has requested assistance from the NTSB?

[@MinorcanMullet]

I have no idea, but that's a good question!

[@saltwaterinmyveins]

Same thing happened in St.Marys a few years ago.

[@JelMain]

So 6 dead on a bridge in Baltimore is different from 7 dead on a gangplank in Sapelo.

[@brockp59]

Caused by a ship collision seems a gigantic distinction. Still, I favor some Federal investigation since the state will almost certainly be a defendant.

[@JelMain]

@@brockp59 Purely material. The common factor in both is that the operators cut corners, not realising their profit would be at the cost of someone else's life. I'm pretty sure our Health and Safety culture in the UK is tougher than the US', for all that we can take a decade to jail the public administrators who caused the Grenfell Tower fire - will Champlain Towers be faster?

[@jiminsav]

I'm fairly certain the NTSB isn't going to be there because it didn't involve a vehicle.

[@canufi6my]

You could be right, not a boat or vessel. Not even a dock, it was a ramp.

[@warped-sliderule]

It's a foot bridge, structural problems are a NIST jurisdiction, not really a "transportation" problem. Similar to the Florida condo collapse being investigated by NIST.

[@jimmydtaylor2]

All depends on how the USCG approached it. Multiple agencies sharing responsibility is common.

[@perryallan3524]

You don't need the NTSB to investigate every small collapse or accident. What you need is a Root Cause Analysis (which is the kind of analsis that the NTSB does - to exhaustive details); and there are several private companies that provide this service. I am sure that the State Department of Transportation and the Coast Guard have the names of those companies. There are essentially 3 industries that use Root Cause Analsysis as a routine procedure: Aviation (and a number of these do not involve the NTSB - as they did not involve crashes that cost lives), Medical (Dr's and Nurses can ask for an analysis on why a patient died or almost died - and what is wrong with the procedures or where did they make a mistake: Medical Root Causes are permanently sealed and legally protected - the reports cannot be issued to anyone outside of the participants: and have greatly improved hospital, clinic, and Dr performance); and nuclear facilities (processing plants, power plants, etc.) I was a certified Root Cause Investigator when working in nuclear power plants. I have the same training as many of the NTSB investigators (and if my health allowed I could apply to the NTSB and likely be hired); and a Root Cause Investigation often takes months of your life. A number of civilian disasters have been investigated by the several private companies who offer the service. The Question is will the State or the Cost Guard hire one of those companies for this tragedy?

[@jss27560]

Networking also does RCA, but how in-depth depends on what went down.

[@MinorcanMullet]

Do you possibly see a conflict with the State of Georgia investigating itself?

[@perryallan3524]

@@MinorcanMullet If they hire one of the private companies that do this kind of investigation... I see no conflict of interest. Root Cause investigators are very independent and focuses on facts and the truth. Their livelihood depends on their independence and their ability to dig. Contracts are typically not fixed price, and include language that whoever hires them must pay for any testing or outside analysis they decide needs to be done. When I was working in nuclear power I had a budget for my program and system work. Every year was a struggle to massage that budget, prioritize work, and try to get more. You often would have to fight very hard to get an extra $10,000 But that all changed when I was running a Root Cause. Any testing or outside analysis was immediately funded. Need a $50,000 or even a $250,000 test or outside analysis to determine material conditions or why something failed. Write the purchase order and the money was there. Didn't have to competitive bid either - just select the best vendor for the job. No questions. The companies doing this work will drop the job at the first hint of a bribe or interference - and publicly state that is why they are withdrawing.

[@charleshowell7855]

That sign is for the WMA hunts. Basically what hunters can’t bring on the ferry during WMA hunts. If you have a vehicle on sapelo it doesn’t have to be registered or have insurance. ( if you keep it on sapelo). The ferry is partially paid for by the heirs of R.J.Reynolds.

[@craigroberson8757]

I am not even close to being part of the NTSB's fan club. My thoughts and prayers for those who had their lives impacted by this tragedy. I don't really think the NTSB is the best agency to handle the maritime sector but I don't have anything better in mind.

[@georgehorkan7205]

NTSB? We don't need no stinking NTSB. From the first video I saw that you posted, the interview with all the politicians, it was very clear to me that this was going to be a coverup. It was evident from the body language and actions of a couple of politicians and the PIO that this was a coverup.

[@CarterWHern]

The coverup starts.

[@IowaGrandpaTrain]

The NTSB doesn’t investigate every car crash or train derailment, or boating accident.

[@MinorcanMullet]

Public transportation with 7 lost.

[@ingridseim1379]

And this wasn't a boating accident. It was the collapse of a structure, so the national institute of standards and technology might investigate...

[@jss27560]

@@MinorcanMullet I'm guessing if the ferry was involved they would.

[@kathrynlouise]

why are comments missing after I wrrite them

[@MinorcanMullet]

I don't know.

[@ThePanman48]

I got put in time out for comments. Maybe reported for making a joke about a large politician. Didn't mean disrespect for the dead and injured.

[@tombeck2792]

it fell thru the cracks !

[@myfavoritemartian1]

The accident didn't involve a vehicle. So no NTSB.

[@ch0zman]

They ain't going to assist. What has the NTSB done in the last 3 and half years?

[@marmalade0223]

thank you for treating this tragedy with the respect it deserves. when I saw the ages of the deceased, it was a gut punch. would be at any age, but these were our elders. after living such a long, distinguished life, to have it taken like this! in wheelchairs and with walkers no less, they were as helpless as babies. the people that jumped in to save as many as possible are wonderful and no doubt saved many lives. why was there no one there with common sense, that was used to this kind of equipment and limitations. then they have the nerve to send a couple of guys out there in a little boat, to "inspect" the underside of the other brow. glaringly bright daylight, they had flashlights lol, no detection equipment or bluing, nothing. they must think the public is really stupid. every time I hear about an accident connected to ferries; I prepare myself for hearing something senseless. are they kind of in a gray area, loophole district??? my city has ferries as well, you won't see me on them, no thanks, I'll spend a few extra minutes on the bridge of ageing infrastructure that hopefully wont collapse under the weight of the New Orleans traffic going either way. in a few days the media will move onto something else, there will be a memorial for the fallen and a commemorative plaque placed somewhere. maybe some wealthy person will donate money in the name of the white dude in the bunch, that was ugly so forgive me, it was something my mind went to automatically. I'm sure he was a fine man. I'm just angry, this was a good, happy day. the world was good and then this happened.

[@MinorcanMullet]

They were so excited to attend the festival

[@marmalade0223]

@@MinorcanMullet hey captain, so sorry for the long loooong post. I just re-read it and am a little embarrassed but hey, I was feelin it. saw you on that other show. nice

[@kathrynlouise]

can you please include the go fund me info in your videos please

[@MinorcanMullet]

I added the address in the description. Thanks

[@gregjohnson7210]

hi andy

[@MinorcanMullet]

Hey Greg

[@JoeLinux2000]

Honestly you may be better off without the NTSB. Their investigations take a long time and they just issue recommendations. Unfortunately this was an unfortunate "accident". I was on a grandstand that had a weld that broke and I fell down through structure fracturing some ribs. The gangway collapse is probably a rather rare occurrence which is not systemic. At best the NTSB would recommend gangways be inspected periodically. It's my understanding someone did report a crack in this particular gangway prior to the collapse.

[@canufi6my]

The Thumbnail say's, "dock collapsed", I hope Capt. Andy knows the difference between a dock and a gangway/ramp.

[@MinorcanMullet]

It's all part of the dock system

[@leepatton1180]

I strongly believe that is a mistake on behalf of the ntsb that they catch some heat for