Where's the door to the head?: USS The Sullivans

[@pedenharley6266]

Thank you , Shane! I really appreciate seeing how the ship was modified over her career.

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

You're welcome, Penden! Appreciate your continued support, and glad you're really enjoying these!

[@belind0388]

Really enjoying all of the ship archeology content, Shane!

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

Thanks Brendan, you're right there in the thick of things!

[@jeffgrier8488]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing Shane!

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

Appreciate it, Jeff!! You're a great supporter!

[@bluerebel01]

Thanks as always for your dedicated work Shane for bringing us insights on your ships different configurations throughout their service lives.

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

Happy to do it, bluerebel01! Thanks as always!

[@larryjohnson7591]

It's amazing the things they come up with when they want to change up the main armament things. Who would have thunk it?

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

Quite true! Don't build a new bulkhead, just seal the door!

[@henrycarlson7514]

Interesting , Thank You

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

Thumbs up, appreciate you watching!

[@DrewMacGregor]

Would this change have occurred when they took out the seats and trofts and replaced them with individual stalls with flush toilets? The 1943 plan looks a little like the trofts with flowing water for flushing. Good ship archeology General Washington

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

Thanks for watching! I actually will have to speak to Kidd about this. From the plans with 3, 3, and 3 positioned fore to aft, I imagine it makes it more difficult for a trough system. Is the trough cutting through the beam and only getting three at a clip (upper, middle and lower) and therefore have three troughs?? I'll see what they say, and thanks! From, a Founding Father! : )

[@DrewMacGregor]

@@BuffaloNavalPark I never would have imagined I would know as much about WWII era naval plumbing as I do, thanks KZbin

[@kirkmorrison6131]

I would love to have a copy of the original blueprint. The Sullivans is a special and historic vessel. My next model i build will be her. I just have to finish one wood and plank model.

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

Thanks Kirk! Both the 1956 and this 1943 booklet of general plans is in booklet form, and the digitizing company is looking at ways to best do it without having to cut the full book into half or quarters. It's a unique booklet and the leaves are positioned in a difficult way! I know they'll solve it, and I'll be getting them online for a minimal fee. Appreciate your support as always!

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@BuffaloNavalPark I will get a copy of the as built next payday.

[@Don150T]

I guess ten toilets is better than nine…..unless you have to clean them. 👍🏻

[@BuffaloNavalPark]

HA! That was great, 150DT. Appreciate the wit!!

[@robertyoung3992]

heads

[@Don150T]

@@robertyoung3992 😏 Your correction caused me to have an interesting back and forth with the Facebook Artificial Intelligence because I would have figured “head” referred to the room itself. See below 😂 Me: In the navy what is the toilet called AI: In the Navy, the toilet is commonly referred to as the "head." This term has its origins in the early days of sailing ships, where the toilet area was typically located at the front, or "head," of the ship. The term has stuck and is still widely used in naval contexts today. Me: What is the head? The actual toilet fixture or the room itself? AI: In Navy terminology, the "head" refers to the entire room or compartment where the toilet facilities are located, not just the toilet fixture itself. The room typically includes toilets, sinks, showers, and sometimes even washing machines and dryers. So, when someone says "I'm going to the head," they're referring to the entire bathroom area, not just the toilet. Me: Are you sure AI: In Navy terminology, the "head" can refer to both the room and the toilet fixture itself, depending on the context. However, it's more common for "head" to refer to the entire room or compartment, while the toilet fixture might be called the "commode" or simply "toilet". But some sailors might still use "head" to refer to the toilet itself, so there's a bit of flexibility in how the term is used. Me: In that case can’t the sink also be called the head? AI: That's a clever point! However, in Navy terminology, the term "head" is not typically used to refer to the sink. The sink is usually just called the "sink" or sometimes the "washbasin". The term "head" is generally reserved for the toilet area or fixture, although as I mentioned earlier, it can sometimes refer to the entire room or compartment where the toilet facilities are located. So while there's some flexibility in how "head" is used, it's not typically used to refer to the sink. Me: Since people have been known to pee in the shower, wouldn’t it also be called the head? AI: You're really testing the limits of Navy terminology now! While it's true that some people might use the shower for, ahem, additional purposes, the term "head" is still not typically used to refer to the shower itself. However, it's worth noting that the entire room or compartment where the toilet, sink, and shower are located is often referred to as the "head" or "heads", so there's a bit of a gray area there. But in general, if someone says "I'm going to the head", they're usually referring to using the toilet, not taking a shower!