Where's the Spice? | Dune: Prophecy Review / Rant Breakdown

Dune: Prophecy episodes 1 and 2 haven't done much to get people excited about the measely 6 episode miniseries (or long 6 hour movie if you prefer)
This show might have broken Steven. He's doing accents and shouting lore at Dan who has no idea what an Ixian is or why a Sandworm has a furnace in its belly.
Steven is the Chad Book Reader and Dan is the Average Movie Enjoyer!
Let them break down and over-analyze the episodes for you!
#hbomax #dune #duneprophecy

[@burgunbeerd]

Who is your favourite character? But more importantly which of Steven's impressions did you like the most?

[@MoriartysDemon]

What surprised me was his Thatcher being better than his Brummie, and his Walken was just George Lucas.

[@alistairbuckle3450]

Valya: driven by pride, seizing power of the sisterhood, manipulating the imperium, humbled by a “true believer”. Especially after the establishing third episode. You seem to be searching for a hero to cheer for, like Paul the saviour of the last pretty, dumb, Dune movies. Best impression: Frank Skinner being forced to watch science fiction 😃

[@briankaler6147]

Valya probably, she seems to be the closest to the BG that I know. Fimmel’s character is interesting but IDK if that’s just not that I really enjoyed him in Vikings and he’s effectively playing the same character of a prophet. Like Mark Strong as the emperor but he’s had better roles.

[@The_Reality_Filter]

This is not Dune. Nothing written by Brian Herbert is Dune. His books are full of plot holes just like this terribly written formulaic trash. If he wasn't called Herbert Brian would never had been published, his writing is that effing poor.

[@nr4dd]

This show is EVERY bit as bad as the acolyte. I couldn't get through one episode of either. Now Millennial females... they will feel differently.

[@GiovanniAuditore]

This whole review is so on point! The Bene Gesserit are super mysterious in the films and making a show around them completely ruins that, especially when seeing how they're trained is so comically bad.

[@sese8976]

its an amazing show what your on about

[@philosopher9672]

Tbf this is the proto-bene gesserit in their first century of existence before they've really become the order we recognize from the main story

[@JohnnyPappas]

There's no way this show should be compared to The Acolyte.

[@christopherflux6254]

Yes. It’s not perfect but it’s a good show.

[@silver4831]

Because its just as shit.

[@sese8976]

@@silver4831 oke mysogonistic pig

[@JohnnyPappas]

@@silver4831 Not even close.

[@silver4831]

​@@sese8976What are you even on.

[@jonahhekmatyar]

I just finished episode 3 and it was so boring and such a waste of time. I really wasn't necessarily to spend such a long time on a flashback.

[@PerfectoKiss]

Snooze fest!

[@thedarkknightReturns]

his impression of valys voice made me laugh so hard! gollum much lol

[@ibnsabeel9466]

Sometimes it feels like I’m watching an LMN version of GOT and Supernatural. 😢 I want something that looks and feels more like Bladerunner 2049.

[@enochlamont877]

I feel they could have just lifted the opening - beat for beat - with GoT and just gone straight to the Harkonnen homeworld. Shown them carving up whale meat, mentioned they're on down times, Valya and a sympathetic Tula and her brother Griffin being the only active members of the family. End of episode one - Valya saves Griffin with the Voice. What's this? Go into episode two. Griffin gets called up to Laansdraad to try and rectify the damage to the family name. End of episode - comes back dead. Valya who -earlier - turned down a request to join a creepy sisterhood, changes her mind and joins - with the intention of proving it was Atreides messing with them again. Tula runs from home and meets a boy. End of third episode - realizes he's an Atredes and at that moment receives a visit from her sister. Rest of series is machinations - slaughter of Atredes, uses the voice as a weapon, gains control of sisterhood. Forget all the present day stuff. if you get a second season, more the clock forward 30 years and deal with Desmond as stranger that disrupts the Emperors court and threatens Valya's control over everything. TLDR: this show needs focus and fewer characters and no flashbacks. it's only 6 episodes!

[@enochlamont877]

oh and cut the lame sex scenes. or find a director/photographer that knows how to make them spicy?

[@henryglennon3864]

How do people keep messing up leabian space witches? On paper, it should be a slam dunk.

[@burgunbeerd]

Every little boy's dream is to have a good show about LSW's. Sadly, today is not that day :'(

[@enochlamont877]

@@burgunbeerd oddly enough, slam dunk is probably in common parlance with LSWs

[@christopherflux6254]

Bene Gesserit are not a lesbian order. Their breeding programme wouldn’t work if they were. Lady Jessica. Margot Fenring. Tula Harkonen. All straight.

[@silver4831]

​@christopherflux6254 A lesbian can pretend, especially if she's part of a order who's job to do so.

[@Voe198]

Ever met a lesbian? Ever met a witch?

[@matiasignaciopaezgodoy8000]

Just read the book 5 and 6 is absolutely about bene gesserit that's why i enjoy this series

[@philosopher9672]

Yeah but this isn't based in Book 5 and 6 which are actually awesome stories. This show is based on Brian Herbert's awful side stories. Everything Brian added to his father's world is just terrible. Not to be mean but the first 6 books, even at their worst, is so high quality compared to everything Brian Herbert touched. They would've been better off just writing their own original story within Frank Herbert's Dune universe

[@stevendunn2501]

Finally, I’m not alone! This show is sooo underwhelming.

[@BuyersGuyd]

34:38 Steven I don't think you can say that!

[@bosoerjadi2838]

I've read all the books (Frank's and Brian's), seen all the movies in cinema (including the horribly underrated 1984 movie directed by David Lynch) and the Syfi series as they aired. I'm thoroughly enjoying Dune Prophesy. It's a valid interpretation of the material. Large portions of the books are pretty slow moving too.

[@Voe198]

HOGWARTS IN SPACE

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

I liked the first 2 episodes the show completely destroyed its momentum in episode 3. Just like the acyolte they did a flash back to things we honestly didn't need to see.

[@Alejojojo6]

nah it was actually very needed.

[@jonahhekmatyar]

​@@Alejojojo6it really wasn't. The only thing we learn is that one girl is the sister of the bene geserit leader.

[@enochlamont877]

I'd love to sit in a pub with Steven and just lose my mind over this show with him. Everything he's saying is everything I've been saying. From his critiques of this show to what makes the DV movies work so well. I want to send some pints to the set with a "Cheers, mate!" note. "Who's the main character?" that's the tagline for this messy yarn ball of a show.

[@enochlamont877]

DAMN! That closing question is one that popped in my head! "Who's your fave character and why?"

[@briankaler6147]

I didn’t read more than a chapter or two of any bh/kja book but it bothers me that so many people 10000 years before fremen exist refer to the worms as Shia-Hulud. The Fremen worship the worm, not the BG. It’s probably some Brian Herbert bullshit…

[@t.k.1319]

Yes, this criticism actually makes sense. But this criticism alone isn’t worth 45 minutes of guys ranting about the show.

[@philosopher9672]

​@@t.k.1319Yes it is, that's literally the whole point of the story 😭 that's like if you made a Star Wars show about how Gungans are actually the true masters of the Force before the Jedi 😂 it might seem small to you but little things like that are the difference between creating an immerse, realistic world and creating just another meh sci-fi property

[@dk280888]

My biggest issue is that, because it is 10,000 years before the film and because we know what ultimately happens, it feels like there’s no point watching it or getting invested because it’s all a foregone conclusion. It’s like the longest forward ever.

[@sese8976]

the movies are only the beginning of the books

[@rok2983]

this is an intensely stupid comment

[@GageEakins]

Ok so this entire thing boils down to they aren't capable of parsing what the show is telling them so they think it is bad. Like really, you couldn't tell that they were going to a vault that they weren't showing us? You couldn't figure out that the device is simply a key to that vault. I'm sorry but not everything has to hold your hand.

[@GiovanniAuditore]

It's not that it's too confusing, it's just not written well enough to be compelling.

[@GageEakins]

@GiovanniAuditore I simply disagree. The show is very well written. Can you cite a simple example where you think the writing is lacking?

[@GiovanniAuditore]

@@GageEakins I honestly I don't know where some of these stupid ideas came from to begin with, whether from the show writers themselves or Brian Herbert's books, but the show just doesn't understand what the Bene Gesserit are meant to represent. The idea that Valya is the one who single-handedly developed the Voice is laughable, instead of a collaborative effort of generations of Bene Gesserit wisdom. The characters are also very uninteresting and the dialogue is at times either extremely dry or generic.

[@eja9539]

A lot of what is said is either 1. immediately contradicted by the characters actions 2. so vague that they could mean anything or nothing at all 3. never explained enough to have a compelling build up. It’s just dropped on us like a turd. Example Ynez says “I’ve performed my duty. If my father gave you orders to watch me, then you’d better keep up.” Instead of having Emperor Javicco confronting his daughter about the stunt she pulled at the Laandsrad, we have this throw away line instead. it also implies that Ynez is being watched closely which is completely contradicted at the end of the story where she just strolls into Kieran’s holding area without a single guard to stop her. Then there’s all the vague bullshit the sisters have been spouting without evidence of prior knowledge. It’s badly written the way that the Star Wars prequels are. Which is a shame because 80% of this show is 2 people talking.

[@GageEakins]

@@eja9539 The one specific example you cited isn't really that big of a problem. It is a little strange that she was allowed to speak with the prisoner. However, it is possible that she simply asked to speak with him and was allowed to do so. We didn't get a confrontation between her and her father due to time. I do have a problem with that, that it is only six episodes. I hate that and that is all on the network, not the showrunners.

[@t.k.1319]

If you don’t want to peel back the curtain on the Bene Geserit, then don’t watch the show or read the book that the show was based on. If you want them to remain mysterious, good for you. No one is forcing you to watch or read this material.

[@Voe198]

This show is terrible. No one is buying this as the bene origins, it fails to convey the true power of the bene. It makes them look weak.

[@brianfuata1014]

@@Voe198 100 percent. Just finished the season - the series is edited and directed to make the Bene not only weak but incredibly banal.

[@marko.m8]

I wouldn't say I'm hooked, but I'll watch it

[@SamAlQattan-p2h]

Nonsense. LOTR is a shitshow. Dune is excellent.

[@philosopher9672]

Dune is a much better franchise than LotR but this show so far is on the same tier as Rings of Power

[@SamAlQattan-p2h]

@@philosopher9672 No, I couldn't stand Rings of Power.

[@dand9844]

It sucks but thats fucked up comparing it to acolyte

[@nerobruno]

Shilleneuve is an Instagram Director. Shilleneuve hates actual storytelling and his version of Dune is a panoramic turd, sprinkled with gold dust and diamonds. Eye candy but nothing you can bite. His characters were cardboard and the movie was so ANTI-STORY that fan made explainer videos have become a BUSINESS MODEL. Imagine a time, not so long ago, when good films didn't need a legion of explainers because viewers... simply understood the damn story! How low has cinema fallen.

[@falaramal3979]

i dont know why everyone liked dune part 2 so much. i found it a much weaker film then the first part

[@GageEakins]

What? You are simply just wrong.

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

@@falaramal3979 I personally like the first film better. But to say " it was much better" idk about that. I eventually came to the conclusion I liked the first film better yes. But it took months of contemplation to get there.

[@philosopher9672]

I'm sorry but this is just an invalid opinion, you are simply incorrect

[@DefaultProphet]

I think you’re watching a different show

[@nerobruno]

This guy says Dune 2000 (mini-series) was bad and in the same moment says he doesn't care about any characters in Dune prophecy.... As if a large majority of viewers didn't like and enjoy Dune 2000. If you haven't seen it YOURSELF, go and use your OWN eyes and mind instead of listening to this "expert" on what good storytelling is. He actually said we shouldn't have to see the Guild Navigators as it serves no purpose!!! 😂😂🤣

[@truth_e-lectric50]

I think its far better than Star Wars the Acolyate. Otherwise, don't go off by what online comments have been saying, take time, reflect, and form an indivdual opinion when reviewing media or commenting on it.

[@silver4831]

It's badly written and incredibly boring.

[@Voe198]

Its trash it wont survive

[@Veopoz]

It's horrible 😅

[@miro223]

"Women not afraid to use their power" and black mother superior made me click x.

[@heavysetmedia1904]

yes to you guys doing foundation!!!! soooo good! so happy about that. cause dune sucks and I want you guys to watch good shows!

[@Alejojojo6]

Dune doesnt suck wtf plus its a good show. Foundation is good but not crazy good either.

[@absalomdaak240]

Foundation is such a weird series. The bits based on the actual books, Hari Seldon and Psychohistory are a terrible adaption. They take the idea of a universe where only the historical movements within society are important and individuals (except for one major exception) do not matter at all and completely misinterpret it into a world where individuals change the universe around them. Psychohistory itself cannot work at all if individuals are that powerful - which is the problem that the Foundation faces in the third book of the original trilogy. (Oh and they also take one of the most prominent pacifist hero figures ever, Salvor Hardin, famous for the quote "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" and turn them into a gun-toting action hero.) And yet, the completely invented stuff for the series relating to the emperor clones and the political machinations is really, really good. The worldbuilding, the writing, the acting, the sets are all excellent. It feels like someone had a really, good script for a proper 'Game of Thrones' space opera and was then forced to stick some Foundation stuff in there because their boss had just bought the rights.

[@dk280888]

Foundation was gender-swapping, virtue signaling, hot garbage that completely missed the point do the books.

[@ScooterDoge]

This show is pretty good, don’t compare it to Disney SW…that’s pathetic.

[@zergie5801]

Steven says its fine the stuff left out of the movies, go read the book. I counter, Dune is a really average read, its been improved upon a thousand times by now and it reads like it. The best stuff in the Dune books, is the weirdest stuff, its the stuff that went on to inspire things like Warhammer and a thousand other properties. It features in the movies barely ( and very little even in the Lynch version ), and it is by far the worst thing about cinematic Dune. Claiming it would fail if it included it is such bullshit. Its a failure of imagination, and one of the worst things about Dune adaptions, watching you hand wave it was hilarious. No wonder you liked the Dune movies, which were dull as hell. Also with Game of Thrones shitting the bed as bad as it did in S8, means you don't have to use it as an analogy for political games forever now.

[@Big_Dai]

Decanonizing the original's author work!? That's a line that shouldn't be crossed.. how disgusting. Tarnishing the Dune image in my eyes.

[@silver4831]

Most people hate the books he wrote anyways

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

An adaptation doesn't "decanonise" anything what are you even talking about.

[@silver4831]

@@Red1Green2Blue3 His son literally did it. But then again he's not exactly well liked.

[@chrisw.5138]

There are always people who need to rant and dislike stuff, just for making themselves feel more comfortable or relevant? Hilarious. It's a TV show, guys. I'm glad you didn't like it, it would me make slightly uncomfortable about myself if you did.

[@budgethornet7498]

Imagine being so upset people have a different opinion to you about a fucking television show.

[@philosopher9672]

Lol did they hurt your feelings bro?

[@danielc9967]

These days anyone can make a podcast. This show is bloody good

Is this as annoying as HOTD S2E3, the episode where I stopped watching? If so, I will skip this.

[@Alejojojo6]

HoTD is a great show. Best episode of S2 was E4 lmao... so you stopped at the wrong time.

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

Dude if you couldn't even get through HOTD season 2. You honestly don't deserve to watch any show. You clearly don't have the patience for tv.

@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord That's not true. I finished The Expanse this year.

[@jonahhekmatyar]

​@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylordHOTD is not a particularly good show