Which 1940's WWII Fighter Could Perform The Quickest Bomber Intercept? | IL2

[@grimreapers]

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[@cakeadventure8412]

I was really surprised how no one predicted the 262 to win the intercept when that is EXACTLY what it was designed to do. I had no doubt in my mind the 262 would win by miles.

[@I_am_not_a_dog]

Definitely. Grim *vastly* overestimated the time it would take for the 262 to come into her full/best powerband. Once she gets up to about 350kph (217mph) her acceleration really takes off. Also, I was surprised no one noted that IL-2 (quite annoyingly) only displays IAS, not TAS. The 262 does have a TAS calculator built-in to its internal speedometer, though. Also, interestingly, unlike most other early turbojets, the 262’s top TAS increases with altitude, peaking at about 22,000ft (above which her power drops-off quite dramatically). This definitely helped Grim out even more (than he expected).

[@grimreapers]

Yup fair point.

[@greggall205]

I thought the 262 would be the fastest but would run out of fuel. So wrong.

[@ed-ho1rx]

It’s a difficult one to assess to be fair. The props weren’t that far off and we know altitude is so important too. Few went into limp mode too and I believed the late model spits would have done better but problems happened for the pilot. While you thought the 262 would eventually win I did start to doubt myself looking at the opposition.

[@LordMustangGT93]

I was not surprised to see the 262 win. Knew it would win. The distance was to far for it not to catch up. Good vid still.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

The Dora was intended for altitudes of over 30,000 where most B-17 intercepts occurred. The G-6 and K series 109s were intended for this role as well

[@profo4544]

d-13 would of done even better in this.

[@dpwellman]

Love this series. Wish the Mosquito and the A26 Invader (an unloaded one quite quick) could be represented as well. Pacific theater planes?

[@hasina1461]

No pacific fighters at this time in game

[@andrewfranson4756]

Dare I say a twin engine fighter race???

[@dpwellman]

@@andrewfranson4756 Exactly

[@Sumppen]

I picked the ME262, since it was a distance race. At close range some props would have beat it, but not at that distance

[@nath-hh2ff]

So great war kites next? If so I'll guess the S.E.5 takes it

[@blakehersey6300]

My money is on the SPAD

[@hasina1461]

Ww1 ballon intercept FK D7 is a monster of a place so good the allied forces Germany to hand over all their D7’s after the war for inspection

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

I love the SE5!

[@marklichem]

And then Zeppelins xD

[@Zephirot080]

And after that hot air balloons

[@Chio_OB]

Having flown the 262 when it was first available in IL2 back in the day I straight away predicted it would win, was surprised with the Caps doubts!

[@loco240]

Thanks guys for a truly entertaining race! I think I enjoyed that one more than the others in this series. People can really relate to these planes because of their massive historical importance, and the engineering comes from a time that was more comprehensible, less about computer flight models and more about engine power, drag, airframe weight, etc. A much more visceral experience than comparing dots on a map at Mach 1.9 vs. 2.0 or whatever. Very well done!

[@__-fm5qv]

I've love to see the difference between the late WWII Jets, Me 262 and Meteor, and the early 50's jets. Would be really interesting to see how much quicker they got immediately after the war ended.

[@kosmokenny]

Immediately post war, the Brits sold everyone the Nene engine, which increased thrust compared to the WW2 engines from 2200ish lbs of thrust to 5000 lbs. They shrunk a Nene to fit in the Meteor and got it over 600 mph right after the war ended. Me-262 had a thrust to weight ratio of .28 and a climb rate of 3900 ft/min. The Nenes got post-war straight winged jets to a .5 thrust to weight ratio and a climb rate of 7000 ft/min. Then the Soviets slapped a Nene in the MiG-15 in 1947 with swept wings. Cruise speeds went up from ~450 mph to ~550 mph and climb rates over 10000 ft/min. At the same time, America was developing the supersonic delta winged F4D. That first flew in 1951 with a thrust to weight ratio of .71 and a climb rate of 18000 ft/min. That was really the last of the war era designs and took a while to get into service, but once they got that pesky sound barrier out of the way, things started really going crazy in the 50s. So basically, immediately post war halve the time to altitude and figure 600 mph top speed. Then for the swept wing fighters take another 50% off the time to altitude and mach .9 top speed.

[@markstott6689]

That was exactly the result I expected. I was surprised that no-one went for the 262 considering the distance to intercept. There was always time for those Juno's to spool up to full power. Regardless, thanks Cap for doing this.

[@Tacticaviator7]

Yeah makes me think the guys didn't know the distance they would travel, if it was something like 20 miles I'm sure 109s, Spitfires and the P38 would do the best but cmon, 200 miles is more than enough for these jet engines to completely outmatch any of the piston fighters.

[@hasina1461]

Yeah if shorter range results would have been much different but it’s what cap wanted mission wise. Ww2 radar was actually pretty good for what it was. Chain home radar was good enough to spot German formations forming up over France and German radar could definitely spit aircraft coming over the channel. German fighters would scramble and wait in ambush for the bombers to get past the range in which they knew allied fighters had to turn back because of fuel, this was before the P51 of course but seeing bombers at that range was defiantly a possibility

[@markstott6689]

@@hasina1461 It begs the question of 'Did Cap secretly know that the 262 would win in the end?'

[@hasina1461]

@@markstott6689 we did a test before hand so yeah guessing at the beginning was just for show. Result we’re a bit different in the test MKXIV was much higher like 2nd place I think P51 also beat the K4 and ar234 also did better in test

[@markstott6689]

@@hasina1461 It's interesting how much variance there is between runs. I guess it makes life more interesting in the long run. Thanks for your replies.

[@Sirmellowman]

You guys are insane picking prop planes over that 262, I called it from the moment I saw the tool tip of the video.

[@grimreapers]

Props would have won at 100miles, but 200miles turbojets shined.

[@Karkistoss]

Not sure if this has been done before, but the A-10 vs P51 dogfights got me thinking, could you dogfight some late WW2/directly post-war piston-engined fighters and early turbojet-engined fighters from the same period? It'd be interesting to see what the best of piston engined design can do against the worst of turbojet design!

[@grimreapers]

Will try.

[@danielearley5062]

The De Havilland Hornet was reckoned by Captain Eric "Winkle" Brown to be one the best piston engined aircraft ever. Given that he's flown pretty much every aircraft ever invented from about 1920-1970, that's a good recommendation.

[@davidmccann9811]

The 262 is terrible on a dogfight, quick to lose energy/airspeed and slow to accelerate. It's easily beaten by a P-51 or late Spitfire.

[@jmfz28]

@@davidmccann9811 Easily beaten once it lost its energy, if not, the spit and the mustang would not even see the 262.

[@Sardaukar240888]

Wish the Do335 could be in this mix - would be interesting to see how it fairs.

[@michaeld.uchiha9084]

As Galland said: You dont turn with an ME 262 you always go straight. You turn you die, just outrun them.

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

If we take the restart of the Tempest in mind, it's really fast for the thickness of the wing and the weight of the aircraft

[@HEATSEEKR]

The P-47M1-RE would smoke everthing here imo.

[@lazaglider]

Perhaps a re run at 25000? Don’t expect it to make much difference, but could allow the high altitude optimised designs to shine through.

[@Kaelland]

Regarding the American planes here, the Mustang (top speed 437 mph) was faster than the Thunderbolt (top speed 426 mph) by 11 miles per hour, and the Thunderbolt was faster than the Lightning (top speed 415 mph) by another 11 miles per hour.

[@Rychlik85]

You were very low to go fast in most planes. Most of them are fastest in 7 to 11 kilometers high.

[@edoardore4614]

it would be interesting to see the same setup but with every plane allowed to fly at their preferred altitude

[@juanordonezgalban2278]

Those planes would take much longer to climb to their ideal altitude, so that could be a dissadvantage even

[@edoardore4614]

@@juanordonezgalban2278 it could, but we don't know, thats why it would be interesting

[@stug77]

Each plane climbing at ideal indicated airspeed will make a *massive* difference in time to climb results. You should do this again with a little more prep and training. The Jumo 004b's of the 262 aren't considered "good" at pressure recovery, and will generally loose thrust at higher speeds, particularly at altitude where critical mach of inlet air flow is lower. The reason that it appears to gain thrust over it's competitors is propeller efficiency reduction at high airspeed. The turbojets loose thrust, but the props loose much more. Just my opinion, but I see IL-2's flight model as quite dated technologically, and in no way comparable to DCS realism. Although it could just be some of the models as I haven't flown all of them.

[@anomalyp8584]

That ME has some chunky tires!

[@victorfinberg8595]

19:25 the cost of that canopy will be deducted from your pay

[@Eo_Tunun]

Spitfire marks can be all over the place with their designations, sometimes no distinguishable feature on the outside, so I can't be sure, but the Mk. XIV here rather looks like a Mk. XII to me with its clipped clapped cropped-Wing.

[@notagooglesimp8722]

I've been partial to the Do-217 N1 version night fighter. She was a good ole gal to me.

[@exidy-yt]

I have to take a closer look at IL-2 Sturmovik! Seems to have a very nice engine even if it's not quite as shiny as DCS. Would people say it's easier to do stuff in then DCS or is it less moddable?

[@grimreapers]

IL2 is MUCH easier to get into than DCS. Shame about the GFX.

[@strambino1]

I can’t wait for them to add the F-4U Corsair!

[@glennpettersson9002]

I think the big advantage of jet engines is getting the speed on really crappy dirt cheap fuel as opposed to expensive high octane fuels.

[@marcs990]

@Grim Reapers CAP, I just wanted to say best of luck with the new endeavour in your life that you will be starting soon, little ones can be hard work but nothing, nothing is comparable to the highlights of raising children. You have earned it mate. 😎 enjoy the golden moments

[@tadficuscactus]

Read "The Chief Culprit by Viktor Suvorov".

[@domstangy5249]

I know it just misses the time period, but the hawker sea fury would be interesting to look at

[@deanspanos8210]

It's a later design, but I wonder how the thunderscreech prototype would have done?

[@absolutezero6423]

Top 13 fastest planes of WWII 13. Focke-Wulf Fw 190 - (405 mph) 12. Lockheed P-38 Lightning - (414 mph) 11. Republic P-47 Thunderbolt - (426 mph) 10. North American P-51 Mustang - (440 mph) 9. Vought F4U-4 Corsair - (446 mph) 8. Arado Ar 234 Blitz - (462mph) 7. Dornier Do-335 A1 - (474 mph) 6. De Havilland Hornet F1 - (475 mph) 5. Heinkel He 162 - (495 mph) 4. Messerschmitt Me 262 - (560 mph) 3. Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star - (594 mph) 2. Supermarine Spitfire - (606mph) 1. Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet - (702 mph)

[@grimreapers]

Spit could do 600mph??

[@badllama8090]

'Devilishly stylish old boy' Love it! 🤣👍✌🖖👌👏🤘🤙

[@brianmonzon1911]

Grim Reapers motto: Get another one...

[@victorfinberg8595]

For an encore, do it again, but this time, let the interceptors shoot each other to win the race. you know, like in ben Hur.

[@waynec3563]

Could you do a scramble interception with these planes? Could have the traget flying at different altitudes.

[@sugarnads]

An actual interceptor intercept?

[@roderickval]

Speed & Power is the solution. Good fun guys B)

[@walterblanc9708]

It would have been interesting to see if the ME163 could have made that intercept .

[@xenaguy01]

I'm surprised the 262 held enough fuel for the intercept and return flight. I always thought one of their weaknesses was short legs. I guess not.

[@grimreapers]

I was also surprised. Felt like it would do 1000miles.

[@richardlehoux]

It would have been fun to have a Komet in there too. Big and spectacular lead in the beginning and then crash in the sea. Or maybe when the me 262 intercepted, the bomber was close enough? Maybe launch very late?

[@zaphodb777]

Still would like to see an F8F Bearcat in these fights.

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@geekpoet7443]

The DO-335 was one of fastest prop aircraft of ww2. The Arado ar-234a was faster than me-262 because of no landing gear.

[@__-fm5qv]

The russian planes in general were notorious for being heavily optimised for low-altitude fighting. So its no suprise they struggled massively once they had to climb! They were bloody quick though if you flew inches off the ground.

[@sherlocksinha2435]

Anything below 5000m and these Russian boys are nasty

[@timbaskett6299]

Don't care who wins now, there's a Tempest!!! Any chance of a Pacific theater version of this? The early Jets were like driving a diesel. You kind of have to anticipate what you want to do and adjust accordingly.

[@HMSConqueror]

oh cmon you need a Gloster Meteor and a de Havilland Vampire too!

[@magratheadeepthought4675]

I know right? Like come on, the Meteor was in military service before the 262!

[@NCSiebertdesign]

@@magratheadeepthought4675 No, me 262 was introduced in April 1944 and meteor was introduced in july 1944, just shy of few months. Obviously both were tested and trailed previous years.

[@magratheadeepthought4675]

@@NCSiebertdesign It was in service with testing groups. The 262 wasn't used in combat groups until I believe November.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

Obviously, we need to revisit the 1950s orc1960s, but this time including the English Electric Lightning. What drag race series could hope to be complete without it?

[@ClericChris]

What's not modeled but was extremely important for speed was fuel quality and the US made the highest quality fuel and let the engines run higher boost. As a result US and UK fighters could take their engines to the limits much longer and much harder. Fuel quality and consistency was so important it's been argued it was the biggest factor that led to the allies winning the skies.

[@QuintonNG2000]

You can figure out the power of engines with only thrust values given using the formula Power = Thrust*Airspeed Edit: Probably better to convert everything to SI so you don't have to deal with freedom units. Speed in m/s and thrust in N will give power in watts. I did a quick back of the napkin calculation for the me262 based on the thrust values you gave and the quoted top speed on Wikipedia and got around 640 horsepower. Keep in mind this is the power required to maintain the top speed so under acceleration the max power of the engines is probably a bit higher

[@gsheac]

The 262 came close to the speed of sound. If I remember correctly , in early tests they broke apart just before they hit the speed of sound.

[@jamesvulgaris5458]

I wish the gull wing corsair was available

[@playanddisplay3636]

Feel like if the P-38 and Tempest hadn't collided they results may have been stirred up.

[@0926001]

LA5 surprise

[@Psychobolic77]

Oh, come on! I think it came as a surprise to no one that the 262 could get up to speed by the time it crossed the channel. It was obvious from the start, but still fun to watch.

[@1100spyder]

oh plus the sr71 please

[@5Andysalive]

Look at cap not being in the slow plane in the back for once... And yes, it's a often conveniently ignored fact that not one country invaded poland in 1939 but two... Something something about who writes the history books. But i'm sure, Poland remembers.

[@grimreapers]

Right! I'm so cool!

[@tadficuscactus]

My prediction is that the Me-262 will win.

[@pj23nl]

fellas fellas fellas, razor back and p47D are 2 different aircraft. the razor back has a none D or drop canopy... its one of the earliest versions of the p47.

[@imellor711]

Great video, Cap....but no Mosquito? In IL-2 the ME-262 just shreds everyone in a air to air battle. With its onboard cannons.

[@grimreapers]

We'll do another for the twin engined planes and add it there.

[@OneMoreDesu]

262 can perform better than that too. Bit eh to climb the way you did.

[@AwesomeNinja1027]

Probably be the F6F Hellcat would be a great bomber interceptor.

[@jbcharles5213]

Mig 3 could have been a contender I believe

[@Rover200Power]

I think the correct answer is Capt. James Bigglesworth in a Spitfire, but this'll do.

[@williamstellmon7565]

North Korea just gave grim reapers there next what if? DCS scenery. 180 north Korean fighters vs. 80 south Korean fighters. Would be interesting to see BVR with scouts and missile trucks.

[@nathaniellazo5912]

I mean... if I got a jet engine... I must go fast right? Me-262 is my bet!! Good luck guys, happy racing!!

[@tadficuscactus]

The USSR invaded six countries and was at war with Japan before Germany invaded it in 1941. Why no Declaration of war from UK and France? 🥸🤔🤫 UK invaded Norway before Germany did.

[@jsublett8871]

CAP you actually got a P38 in there. I've been waiting for one. Thank you for that. It didn't finish great 🤪😁 but love it.

[@grimreapers]

It did pretty well also.

[@jsublett8871]

@@grimreapers It would be great to see you guys put it in a actual dogfight scenario the P38

[@kieronthorpe1]

So the fw190 didn't have a radial it had a V12? Suppose you learn something new every day that's why I like these videos.

[@okonkwojones]

The As had radials, the Ds had Vs

[@neilwilkins9002]

i thought it would win but the lazy take off had me re thinking...whats more amazing is that i totally forgot i bought IL-2....just another reason to finish my build.....can black friday just hurry up already.......

[@airflyerflyvids7875]

A step climb would have been more ideal for the 262

[@grimreapers]

rgr

[@airflyerflyvids7875]

@@grimreapers I just got to thinking that, cause it is a technique used by airliners, particularly older ones, to maintain speed during a climb. Climb a bit, level off, gather speed, climb some more, repeat and rinse. Airliners do it due to the weight of the aircraft, as fuel is burned it becomes lighter allowing the aircraft to fly higher as the flight progresses. Hence the term "Initial Cruise Altitude"

[@samsix4340]

its not a cargo plane, best climb performance is to aim for Vy (best rate). Jet engines are more efficient at high altitude with cold air and better speed with less air density.

[@sercrets9531]

No a very good looking game... You should avoid il-2 1946 then... Very good game, especially with mods, I run a server on there, worth a look, but it is definitely an eyesore lol. Very fun vid Cap, keep it up!

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Love it. I don't think anyone was surprised at the outcome. I had my money on the Stuka just for the fear factor. That Stuka scream is a terrifying sound to hear! To many unfortunates that was the last sound they heard before becoming vapor.

[@rubiconnn]

The stuka was incredibly slow compared to almost all other piston engine aircraft.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

@@rubiconnn Uh...yes. Thanks.

[@FuturPaladin489]

And the sirens got remove pretty fast

[@walterblanc9708]

Quickest to target and heaviest armament (I think). Wow, did anyone expect any other result?

[@Castragroup]

Bf 109

[@FuturPaladin489]

Imagine a do335 in this

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

I'm not sure if any of the rocket powered jets are modeled within DCS, but ... how about trying a ME163 Komet, Mizuno Shinryu, Bereznyak-Isayev BI-1 or the much later produced X15. ME 262 was an amazing aircraft... with incredible firepower (4 x 30mm cannon), capable of smashing B17 bomber formations even under fighter escort. Only several flying reproductions exist today.

[@Camarobro98]

Gotta redo this at 20k-25k ft, and without an accident on takeoff lol

[@zsavage1820]

The ME262 was not reliable as the engines needed overhaul every 10 hours and they only lasted about 4 hours... lol that was the early version though

[@grimreapers]

Yup, terrible engine.

[@silvermv6]

No mosquito

[@oliabid-price4517]

The Arado 234 used RATO (Rocket assisted take off), not JATO. Shame there isn't an Me 163 Komet, or Heinkel 162 Salamander in game. Possibly the Dornier 335 too.

[@jayglier]

JATO/RATO are interchangeable though the US military uses the JATO designation even if they were always rockets

[@Buzzardsfield]

Hey Cap, how about an all out climb race to 45k feet - but terminus is a point exactly above the airfield?

[@profo4544]

why is there a 262 up against prop planes lol, especially if its a straight line race who do you think would win lmao.

[@yahnump]

Cap, think this video is a good demonstration of how quickly technology changes under the pressure of war.

[@grimreapers]

yup. Same thing happening in Ukr right now.

[@observer6294]

You tryed to take the Me 262 to altitude too fast. You just have to wait, that this plane to get more speed, then it can climb faster than any plane (in WWII).

[@peterjones596]

Great representation, but where was the Mosquito? Certainly before the Meschersmitt 262 it was the fastest WWII plane... Or maybe I'm wrong.

[@grimreapers]

We'll do another for the twin engined planes and add it there.

[@lionheartx-ray4135]

I would have like to see a P 80 given they just made it in WW2 Italy in 45

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@dignes3446]

ME-262 VS A10 Would be cool. IL2 1946 BAT or War Thunder?

[@paulwood6729]

Is the Tornado not in DCS? I was surprised it wasn't in an earlier vid.

[@grimreapers]

Tornado is in Monday/Tuesday's DCS vid.

[@mcjdubpower]

Gud vid 👌👍🔥

[@danielramsey1959]

No Komet?

[@onkelmicke9670]

What, the Stuka didn't win? But where's the Do 335? How about the Me 163?

[@hasina1461]

Not in game

[@antcommander1367]

Any chance that you are doing same thing in late 1930's planes or twin engine fighters?

[@fuciguma2886]

the me262 should win, i know it is really early jet but I think it will be the best for intercept like this

[@GJ-py4xy]

The spitfire is legendary for a reason

[@grimreapers]

It really is good.

[@Anarchy_420]

IL-2 Request-- F-82 VS Me-262! Please🙏

[@Anarchy_420]

F-111 Aardvark VS MIG-27K F-86 Sabre VS A-10 Thunderbolt II Mirage F-1 VS Panavia Tornado F4U Corsair VS A-1 Skyraider J-7 VS MIG-21 MB-339 Aermacchi VS MIG-15 AV-8 Harrier VS MIG-23 Flogger J-10 VS SU-27 F-16I Sufa VS F-15STOL/MTD Fox2 Dogfight

[@hasina1461]

F82 not in game

[@andrewfranson4756]

I've really been enjoying these races but crashes on takeoff seem to skew the results. I'm sure the P-38 would have been a strong contender among the windmill fighters had it not crashed and needed to respawn. Now I do understand the nature of racing often means a trip into the wall, but when you put a fighter with excellent traction from the start, behind a plane that comes out of the hole like a sleepy bear, you can expect similar disasters almost every time. I think every one should get an even shot at the start, how about spreading your planes over 2 airfields? You can have the bomber fly a course that goes halfway between the starting points making the parallax equal for both groups of competitors. This way all pilots can have a clean windscreen to start, and meet at the same point at intercept...?

[@grimreapers]

It's not like DCS, you can't just reset the race in IL-2 game, you have to reset the entire server, which becomes problematic. So we just have to put up with it.

[@kylew7930]

I thought the P-38 would’ve done better.

[@LordMustangGT93]

I want to see the late war planes of wwII, with the P-38 with the twin alisons, with the superchareger, and giant turbo charger! They were rated something like 3000+hp, per engine. 500+mph no problem.

[@StoRmwarnung94]

Exaggerating a bit? The late war P38L with the two Allison V-1710's had 1,600 hp per engine and a top speed of 414 mph ;)

[@Chase-Man]

@@StoRmwarnung94 yeah only plane on the top of my head that came close to 3000+hp per engine was the F7F Tigercat with ~2600hp on WEP but the F7F didnt see WW2 service, only Korean war iirc. Grumman makes some damn fine aircraft.

[@LordMustangGT93]

@@StoRmwarnung94 look it up. Late war P-38. Like didn't even make it to war but they were completed and working. The turbo stuck out T the top behind the engine. They were rated at 3000hp, per engine.

[@StoRmwarnung94]

@@LordMustangGT93 the latest variant was the P38L from 1945 - 1948 and it had a total of 3000hp during take off. So round about 1500hp per engine. I'm not sure what you're on about.

[@LordMustangGT93]

@@StoRmwarnung94 you're right, I had to go find it out again, But they did make 2000 or more a side in testing with the allison. But by the time they would of been ready, it was just too late and Jets were coming on hard. And it need paddle prop upgrades which was just too much time to convert, and spendy to do.

[@jugganaut33]

Why wasn’t meteor involved? That flew in 1944 the same as the Me262

[@Tom-jw7ii]

It’s not in this game. It also never got a single air to air kill in the war.

[@BCSchmerker]

+GrimReapersAtomic *The USN-USMC / Chance Vought F4U-1D, U.S. / Northrop P-61 Alfa, Luftwaffe (DEU) / Bayeriſche Flugʒeugwerke Me 110, and Workers' and Peasants' Red Air Force (SUN) / Mikojan-Gurjevich-3 Dalnost should have been in this field, but neither the Luftwaffe / Arado Ar 234 nor the Luftwaffe / Junkers Ju 87.*