Which barb wins? Flay? Bash? Whirlwind vs. Lilith

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A showcase of each of the builds I've made this season. I will have the WW guide out in the next couple days. This fight takes some time to learn and my gear is in a good spot so remember that when you do this fight. Just getting to level 100 is not enough. You need to put time into your gear and masterworking.
Build guide video for Flay 2.0:
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Pit T120: • Flay 2.0 T120 No Holy ...
Build guide video for 2.5:
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[@MJa8287]

This is a great vid to see the comparison of the barbarian builds.

[@cliptis86]

Thank you! Was fun to do

[@bigal1093]

Thanks for showing the comparisons!

[@cliptis86]

No problem!

[@Max-hc9vu]

man i love your energy, you make me smile without trying

[@cliptis86]

Hey thank you! That's the goal, at least I did something right haha

[@Max-hc9vu]

@@cliptis86 you're doing a lot of things right, you've got a fan, keep up the good work👍

[@cliptis86]

@Max-hc9vu thank you so much! I will keep it up

[@cliptis86]

@@illydeewilliams3045 I agree

[@m3s69ll]

it seems flay is stronger than bash?

[@cliptis86]

Yeah it is just takes more to get the build going and to learn the build. Trash pulls are a little slower.

[@borimex20]

Army ranger here bud loving all your builds . Being over here on the mountains doing what I do. And taking time to play when I have downtime. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. My question on your bash pit pusher build. Can I use grandfather and ring of starlet skies? Or what build you recommend with me having the shako the ring and granpapa? Because this bash build of yours I’m immortal I can do up to pit 121 and higher on a group but I don’t die at all just wanted to know if I add those Uber if it’s better that’s all apologies for the long question/ explanation.

[@cliptis86]

Hey for the bash build you could run the ring but I wouldn't suggest the grandfather. The WW build uses all of the ubers though.

[@borimex20]

@@cliptis86 ok so if I use the ring which one I take out elements or rapid? And which WW build may I use you have a couple of them Wwbleed and ww hota?

[@cliptis86]

@borimex20 I have it in the planner for both builds. You can test it on the training dummies for the bash build see which one you like better.

[@Blakeskate55]

ur so fkn cringe w the army ranger comment lol as someone else who is in the army and w SF, plz stfu

[@DarkhopeGaming57]

Have you tried building an endgame pit pushing DSDD build? The ones I’ve tried seem to lack in damage and cap out around 110 in the pits. Very interested in seeing your Uber version of that setup if you have the time or interest.

[@cliptis86]

I can definitely try if I can get some time. I might be able to push it into the 130s

[@DarkhopeGaming57]

That would be amazing to see. I have more fun on the DSDD than the other builds. But your flay build is aids for tormented boss farming lol. Love it!

[@cliptis86]

@DarkhopeGaming57 hahaha thank you so much for trying it. I'm working on a variation of hota ww then maybe I'll do Ds

[@DarkhopeGaming57]

Is that the weapon changing setup? That’s next level masterminding for theory crafting btw. Brilliant implementation!

[@cliptis86]

@DarkhopeGaming57 yeah it is. Thank you it's been so much fun to do. I cleared 131 last night

[@primalwarbee3947]

Hey quick question I noticed your build guide for bash is different to what your running in video what's better to run

[@cliptis86]

Hey! I am actually going to update my planners this weekend. I have been tinkering with my builds. I have 3 different versions of bash out, too. Which did you have questions about? You can also hop into the discord server. Might be easier there.

[@primalwarbee3947]

@@cliptis86 cheers mate on the bash barb build in your video your running rupture but in build planner you say to use challenging shout was wondering which is better

[@cliptis86]

@primalwarbee3947 for boss fights I use rupture. I think I might cover it in the boss killer video but I can't remember exactly. I like the extra attack speed for bosses.

[@MrPwhite1985]

Isnt IT easier and better to do after Level for master working because you dont lose all your Mats which i would lose at 12? Because you dont get Thema refunded and a Level 4 is much cheaper Material wise?

[@cliptis86]

If you go straight to 12 first then you can farm mats faster and easier. So you make up for losing some of the materials in the long run. If you have another character that can farm for you then you can take that route but I like playing my new characters so I go straight to 12.

[@teresadininno6069]

I really wish there was a solid HOTA build. I feel like that just got left behind in the dust lately. When before, or at least in my experience it was one of the most powerful builds for both single target and clear

[@cliptis86]

Hey you and I both but unfortunately the abilities that made HotA so great got taken away and it's no longer a good source of damage compared to everything else.

[@sfdsd07]

One shot hota made players whining n crying like a baby so blizzard had to nerf it 😂

[@cliptis86]

@@sfdsd07 it was fun while it lasted

[@MrPwhite1985]

What do YOU mean by Level to 12 First and then start rolling for Gear? Can you explain? So Level Gear and then start searching fr r Vetter Gear? Or are you rerolling stats of Gear u leveled to 12?

[@cliptis86]

Hey get your masterworking to level 12, then after that you can reset and get the 25% to the right places

[@karlklabuster8044]

Great Video, thx ! But i have 1 question : How did you get DMG numbers above 400 Mio ?? I have The Same Paragon - Tree and The Same Gear Like you...also the right aspects on them and The right Tempering Recipes with Bash - Splash DMG. On the weapons i also have + X % DMG instead of Lifepoints. The Biggest Numbers i got are 290 Mio (Overpower + Crit DMG, orange Color) But i am far away from 500/600 Mio 😮 How ist that possible ? Need your help pls..

[@cliptis86]

What level is your masteroworking at?

[@domgag1756]

Sometimes the damage goes by so fast. I got obs to record so I could slow it down.

[@nunya3399]

Yea. Record it and go frame by frame and look closer.

[@cliptis86]

@domgag1756 yeah I have done that so many times, haha

[@cliptis86]

@@nunya3399 yeah its the best way

[@tama36]

Mahalo for the tip on master working to 12, then focusing on the masterwork crits. Gonna try doing that this evening 🤙🏼.

[@cliptis86]

No problem at all! I promise you'll see a big difference. I do it on all my characters.

[@mattyhill9919]

That’s a lot of materials. You don’t get them back from a reroll right?

[@tama36]

@@mattyhill9919 no you don’t get them back from a reroll. But if you end up deciding to salvage the item later, you get some mats back after salvaging.

[@cliptis86]

@mattyhill9919 no you don't but if you get a character that's super strong, doesn't die you can farm things so much faster for all your characters

[@cliptis86]

That too. Thank you

[@kevinkelly1755]

WIth the new uniques offering huge basic damage % in Season 5, what about doing up a Frenzy build? I always liked using Frenzy

[@cliptis86]

That might be a thing, but tempers are so strong if there's no supporting temper for its damage it might not work. It sounds like fun to try

[@danielwilliams3103]

+1 to a frenzy build so I can use some of these sweet uniques 😊

[@cliptis86]

@danielwilliams3103 gotta see what the patch notes bring. Might be fun

[@LiteOfQureshi]

I love your content but im a father of twin girls and barely get any time to play. I started season 4 with double swing twister. Would you recommend i switch to WW for speed farming? Or should i just continue with Double swing twister

[@cliptis86]

If you're still having fun then keep playing! Nothing is faster than WW right now but it'll take some time to get the gear set up. I'll have a build guide out very soon. Maybe look over what it would take to switch when I publish it and decide then?

[@LiteOfQureshi]

@@cliptis86 Ty sir. Lol it's taken me almost a week to get your Flay 2.0 build started. And I've run out of Veiled Crystals just rolling stats. But will definitely look at it.

[@cliptis86]

Yeah I have been taking my time too. I'm only on my third build and I've played since launch every day. Flay is fun!

[@atty.danilotuazon8776]

Great content as always! 👏

[@cliptis86]

Hey thank you very much!

[@Nursenmo88]

Dang does killing blow not even make the list? Also how do you deal with the stygian stone shortage

[@cliptis86]

Hey! What is killing blow? I don't do any Tormented bosses. I did a couple early on in the season doing rotas. The tempers are so strong this season the ubers aren't as great.

[@Mallor998]

If uber Lilith fight is fun for you, you're a masochist.

[@cliptis86]

Haha yes I know. I beat her in only yellow gear last season. So much fun.

[@Mallor998]

@@cliptis86 So you're gonna have a lot of fun pushing pit in S5, because those mechanics with exponential damage stacks are going riiiiiiiight there on the shadow bosses. I think I'll just go back to Albion Online, seriously PvP there is much easier than Uber Lilith.

[@cliptis86]

@@Mallor998 haha I have fun playing this game no matter what they do. I'm a super fan.

[@ThatLzyGamer]

I wonder if HoTA barbs will make a comeback next season. I would love to play a HoTA barb again

[@cliptis86]

I didn't see any changes to HotA. I think the nerf still stands. It went from scaling damage off of your fury to scaling crit chance I miss it so much

[@CaledonianCraft]

I will always be team Flay! Side note I am praying they give us skill and paragon save layouts soon... Having 3 Barbs for 3 builds feel excessive haha.

[@cliptis86]

It doesn't look like it any time soon. We'll see D3 eventually got it.

[@shaunking395]

I don’t think I’ll ever kill Uber

[@cliptis86]

You definitely can! It takes some practice and a good build but it's doable

[@MrDave8539]

You linked robs build but your using rupture? I’m guessing you took points out of challenge shout to get rupture?

[@cliptis86]

Which is Robs build? I linked the builds I made this season.

[@MrDave8539]

My bad, Rob streaming is at the top. But, why doesn’t the build have rupture?

[@cliptis86]

@MrDave8539 the all good. Which build? Flay or Bash?

[@MrDave8539]

@@cliptis86 bash, killing Lilith you used rupture but it’s not in your build.

[@cliptis86]

Ahh yeah I use it for the 40% attack speed. I'm gonna do an update for my guide this weekend.

[@nunya3399]

Flay, bigly. WW and bash will both melt her, but flay sets up for a very quick rupture 1 shot. I do rock a WW build that kills her a bit quicker than this though.

[@cliptis86]

Yeah Bash can get close to Flay but Flay is so strong, and I bet once my WW barb is decently geared it'll do a lot but I don't think it'll ever keep up.

[@nunya3399]

@@cliptis86 no ww just can’t do that. I didn’t notice if you weren’t master worked. Kind of watching quietly. I still stay WW 90% of the times these days. The neathiron farm is too good not to. I suppose I could try a bash with leap variant. Crossing walls is just too good. Love your content btw man. You explain things very well.

[@cliptis86]

@nunya3399 hey thank you so much. I am duke l fully masterworked but not optimized. I take everything to 12 then reroll one at a time. I'm actually running WW leap for farming iron and it's amazingly fun.

[@nunya3399]

When I get home I’m gonna link you a planner for WW. It’s super similar to what you probably already use, just some small changes. Try it out on Lilith and speed running pit. Or don’t. I suspect you won’t. lol. Im sure people annoy you with stuff like that a lot. I’m gonna link it anyway though because it’s stronk.

[@cliptis86]

@nunya3399 yeah I can take a look at it. I'll be live tonight I can try it then if you want

[@kurtg1509]

What would yall say is better: Flay or bash? Almost to 100 with my 2nd barb so doing one or the other lol

[@cliptis86]

I've never played bash bleed, I have a flay and straight damage bash barb but Flay is COMPLETELY different to play than any other build I've played this season.

[@kurtg1509]

@@cliptis86 I think I'll give the flay a shot then! Thank you!

[@cliptis86]

No problem! I have a fun flay build on my channel

[@mkloudsql3285]

I can take down a 110 pit with my double slash barb. But ive got H.C + grandfather and starless, only missing the new chest. Everythings 12/12. Boss fights are to long due to twisters move away to damn fast. Trash mobs are butter

[@cliptis86]

Hey yeah double swing is a lot of fun. I cleared 131 on it the other night. If you build it right it's about the same as WW barb.

[@mkloudsql3285]

I know i could build in a hybrid with the bleed/vulnerable damage gains but thats going by by S5 they are going to cap it at 30%. No more limitless stacking

[@cliptis86]

Yeah the cap of Hemo at 45% plus they nerfed gushing wounds into the ground

[@sfdsd07]

For the love of the barbs i love flay as always bash boring whirlwind was okay dd is not dependable on bosses fight but flay is a beast. Thanks cliptis ❤

[@cliptis86]

I love flay! It really makes you think while you're playing.

[@user-rj9jn7iz3u]

Hey! Bash rupture with talent rupture?

[@cliptis86]

Hey there. I use rupture on my bash barb for 40% atk speed

[@nogamenolife705]

Flay vs thorns at high pit pushing?

[@cliptis86]

Hey! I haven't tried Thorns before, but I haven't seen many people playing it much anymore. Flay has been the high solo pusher.

[@jbrad156]

You’ve earnt yourself a new subscriber!

[@cliptis86]

Hey thank you so much! I appreciate the support

[@cezarbanuca8360]

Great job

[@cliptis86]

Hey thank you

[@Sydneyangel203]

My experience is flay worked best for me to kill Lilith.

[@cliptis86]

Yeah I agree. Easiest one to skip phase one since flay itself doesn't actually do a ton of damage but rupture finishes it.

[@JrJagsFootball]

Now do it on Thorns!

[@cliptis86]

I'm going to try thorns at some point

[@rideorcry-1990]

​@@cliptis86thorns but maybe with frenzy and some bleeding i guess

[@cliptis86]

Yeah I have a new and really exciting project I'm working on but after that

[@kailaussmann8114]

I think You better then rob😅....respekt

[@cliptis86]

Thank you! I appreciate it but definitely not. That guy is world class. I appreciate the support so much though

[@nicolasgruat1842]

DOUBLE SWING

[@cliptis86]

Nailed it! But really, I love double swing. I wish it was stronger, but it's a ton of fun.

[@enclave9614]

Easy flay

[@cliptis86]

Hey! That was last season but yeah it was really good

[@yamirxavier2389]

Welp thanks to this vid i Killed lilith! Nice! thank you!

[@cliptis86]

Oh wow congrats! I'm so glad it helped!

[@davidmustaine2921]

lol the guy complaining about only being able to push 132 pit, here my mostly masterworked 8/12 WW Barb with still some pieces at 7 only just got through a 61 Tier Pit.

[@cliptis86]

Hey! Was it someone in chat? I think I remember that. Masterworking helps a lot. Mine just got to 12 last night and now I need to reroll my Masterworking on a lot of my gear

[@davidmustaine2921]

@@cliptis86 yup it was, I have Tyraels might and the Shako, still need to get Starless skies ring and the Grandfather though having rough time trying to get these 2 pieces.

[@cliptis86]

@davidmustaine2921 yeah it can be tough. You can always hop into the discord with us and if we are doing events join in. People also ask for rotations a lot as well.

[@sonsoffishes1]

​@@cliptis86I'm confused as to why you get your gear to 12 and then re-roll the masterwork?

[@cliptis86]

@sonsoffishes1 your character is at its strongest at 12. It let's you farm faster, live longer and hit harder.