Which Bow String Do I Need? B55, D97 Or Fast Flight? Recurve & Longbow

[@jesseherbert2585]

Copying a reply I made to your comment Jeff (elsewhere on your channel) for folks to more easily see it right here: "Thanks Jeff!! Just got back from a Bushcraft Gathering up in Maine (Moose Ridge and Wilder Waters combined their gatherings this year). Thanks in part to you and your guidance (along with expert instruction from Arthur Haines over several years, plus some great tips from a talented young archer named Kaelin), I won the traditional archery competition, along with a cash prize that covered half the cost of my entire stay. Needless to say, I am immensely grateful, and was enthusiastically telling folks there about your channel... Keep up the outstanding material and positive attitude, people of all ages will likely find this channel helpful for years to come...

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@jesseherbert2585 oh man! That’s awesome! Congratulations my friend!👊😁👍🏻

[@StippytheArcher]

Thank you, Sir, for your content and great commitment over the years!!! Im first-time commenting, but I probably saw all of your videos ! This video, as many others, has helped me greatly ! Jeff, I strive to become more like you 🏹💪 Greetings from Germany 🏹🏔

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@StippytheArcher Thanks brother!

[@T-Mak-s7x]

Great info. Just bought D-97 for my Black Widow. Snapped 35 year old string & new string not here yet so your timing on this is impeccable. Obviously the bow has sat in my closet for a bit, but still shoots just like 35 years ago. Thank you.

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@T-Mak-s7x wow! You have a good one my brother!

[@jc_mentalz]

Hey Jeff, just wanted to thank you for all the awesome information in your videos. I’ve watched several of your videos and actually just bought my first bow and TTT string bc of your suggestions. God bless!

[@Fabsterman]

very interesting stuff..... especially the double nock explanation got me thinking.... I am gonna do double nocks on my bows right now ; )

[@SamkoTradBow]

love my b55!

[@SamkoTradBow]

@WildArcheryBoy very nice

[@VH413]

Man! I learn so much from you. Keep it coming, brother, and God bless.

[@JosephTodd-ms6rf]

Always great watching your videos and your getting your input on this great sport of archery that we all love! Thanks Jeff! It truly is addictive!

[@matthewmiller8989]

Thank you so much for all the videos you have done and continue to do. Your thoughts on double string nocks are great. I have added a second 1 to try it out and after years of intermittent inconsistency i now am incredibly more accurate and my group size shrunk to half tbe size it was before. Again thank you for what you do.

[@GeraldTurner-rz2pz]

In addition to being a good archer who knows his stuff, you are a good salesman along with it. Thanks for the info. Good stuff.

[@danny_the_K]

I am shooting a Fast Flight string on my Bear Montana (45 lbs) and got a new string at the ETAR event from Big Jim’s this past weekend. It seems even quieter than the factory string, while both are Fast Flight. Thanks for explaining some of the differences Jeff.

[@rebelrye]

Jeff, very informative video. I download all your stuff from KZbin. I recently aquired a Bear Alaskan recurve either 59 or 60 years old with no reinforced tips so I made a B55 string and it shoots pretty good so I dont think I'll change material. Thank You for all you do Jeff and if we dont ever meet up here on Earth I'll be looking most forward shaking hands with you in New Jerusalem. God bless Jeff.

[@frkw6679]

I've only been shooting for 2,5 years now, so I'm a beginner. I also watch your videos a lot. why am I hearing for the first time that shooting with an arrow that is too light can be harmful to your bow. Nothing has ever been said about this in the shops or at the club. in a store even denied that this is the case. for me personally it sounds very plausible, thanks for the tip Jeff

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@frkw6679 thanks brother and yes the general rule is to shoot an arrow that weighs at the very least 10 grains per pound of your actual draw weight and more is better!

[@HuffMan501]

Jeff, first thanks for all your material! I’m an avid compound bow hunter but for approximately a year now I’ve been learning to shoot a traditional bow that belonged to my late father passed down from his uncle. It is a Ben Pearson stratojet fiberglass bow at 66 inches. He had the bow strung when I was a kid but never shot it much and it was stored strung. For the last year I have shot it and with 500 spine arrows have got it to shoot pretty well. Do you have any knowledge of these bows and what string material I need to purchase? I do not know what material the current string is. These bows were made throughout the early 60’s. It is labeled hunting bow and with a hand scale I’m pulling 45 lbs with it. It likes a 7 inch brace height and 7/16 nock height. No other markings are on the bow besides Ben Pearson Strato Jet hunting bow. I was calling it a longbow but an archery shop explained it is technically a recurve due to the slight forward curve on the ends and string contact. I’m from central Arkansas and Ben Pearson was from here also being my late fathers bow it’s neat to be shooting it. Thanks for your time and all the help you’ve provided thus far!

[@jkkyker9410]

TTT is building me a D97 flemish for my PSE Coyote. Thanks for the explanation on strings.

[@josephtreadlightly5686]

In many aspects I always shoot the D-97 Flemish 2 tone string. I buy 2 @ the same time & I like the different color so I can tell them apart. Best of both worlds. 🎉😂

[@erickocovsky1826]

Allen Shafer at 10 Ring Strings is my string maker, and he makes the best b55 strings I've ever had. They don't stretch anymore than d97 and other ff strings I've had. He makes a great Mercury 2 string too!

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@erickocovsky1826 wow! I’ve heard really good things about his strings!

[@ThirdLawPair]

The Lazer bowstring from Three Rivers Archery is pretty fantastic.

[@chuckratliff2474]

Thanks for the video Jeff thanks for all the help God bless

[@PatrickBlack-q1n]

God Bless you Jeff have a merry Christmas

[@chickimac1]

Can’t wait to get my TTT string. Fast flight for my longbow

[@Matt-d8m]

The true test for noise is comparison with no quiver or silencers. Same arrows and same brace height. My Bodnik Quick Stick is super quiet with a D97. I prefer it over the blended thin Whisper string it came with. I’m really wanting to try the BCY 652 on it (original FF).

[@danielklee2933]

If you had the camera on the side, viewing the profile, it appears even quieter. I think it is because the noise vibrations bounce off the belly of the bow. So the shooter hears it more than a bystander. So you know Jeff's bows are super quiet. I would add to some fellas who resist this info and still want to put D97 on an older longbow. Make sure the loops are well padded, lest you want to say goodbye to your bow. B50 was quiet, but it seemed like it stretch for the life of the bow lol. Great video Jeff.

[@Comanchelords]

B55 is perfect for my bow as well absolutely silent and fast .no string silencer’s nothing on the limbs. Perfect for my hunting setup.

[@countryman264]

Thanks Jeff I've just discovered I've been shooting way too light arrows from my 50lb bow they're sitting at 380 grains I don't hunt live in Scotland it's banned so will try to up the insert and point weight thank you for your sage advice friend😊

[@peterrabbit8467]

i am in England thinking of going to America for a hog hunt , i was the same light arrows took advice from Jeff upped my point weight to 200 grain shoot like darts and i am at 460 grain now , i am shooting Aluminium arrows , xx 75 legacy and camo hunter in 1916 spine cant find heavy inserts in this country to fit

[@jcarry5214]

Just remember to know your actual draw and account for that: for every inch above or below 28 you gain or lose 3 pounds something like that. So you might be safe where you are if you;re on the small half of average. I get very frustrated by my trajectory when I get up around 11 grains per pound, 8-9 is a lot more fun.

[@lindaforman6715]

Jeff which string material do you recommend for the Hermit X10. Thank so much for all you do

[@worldtraveler8372]

Hi Jeff! This question has been on my mind. I was going through your videos watching and saw this one. Watching now. I ordered gren string for x8 recurve using what you got on your customized x8 from prior video

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@worldtraveler8372 I’m running a D97 on mine now but I didn’t really like the B55 Flemish, it was just a touch softer feeling 👍🏻

[@worldtraveler8372]

@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thank You!

[@bradlauber9097]

Love my 16 strand d97 strings

[@MrNutmeghunter]

Big fan of D97 never change. I build my own strings. The main issue I have with B55 is it has terrible abrasion resistance where D97 is much much better in that area. You will go through many B55 before one D97. Love your videos!

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@MrNutmeghunter yes sir that’s true! Thanks for much 👍🏻

[@JS-cm1gm]

Have you done a video on the kaonaki velociraptor?

[@edperitore321]

Great video I learned a lot and took notes but I did not get the names f your bows other than black death s if you could email me your set ups it would be greatly appreciated thank you ver much.

[@brettellis423]

Awesome video, Jeff!!🙏❤ I'd love to buy TTT strings but I'm in Australia and don't use PayPal at all. If TTT Strings had a website I could order from and pay by credit card, I'd certainly buy all my strings from them! I hope TTT Strings eventually does a website!! I'm hoping lol

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@brettellis423 yes sir they eventually will I’m sure!

[@brettellis423]

@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 awesome!!!!!!😍❤️😍 I don't care how long it takes!! When TTT have a website I'll be ordering strings for all my Bows from them!! I can't find much in the way of custom strings here in Australia! I'm "thirsty" for TTT strings!!🤣🤣🤣👊💥👊🙏🙏🙏

[@kanyinak]

Plenty of good stringmakers here in Oz. Look for Sticks and Strings.

[@kennylainhart7148]

Great advice 👍😎

[@gregnoble1041]

Great video as always Jeff! By the way, what quiver is on that longbow? Thanks!

[@JuzniVuk]

Just in time...just got myself into archery and a black hunter 30lbs, looking to tune my bow further. Open to any advices.

[@TraditionalArcheryJourney]

Thanks for info. Great video as always. Is Facebook the only way to order a TTT string?

[@FullBoarOutdoors]

I have a ragim fox 45 pound longbow, what strings are recommended for this bow?

[@Matt-d8m]

The tips are reinforced so you can run any string. BCY B55, 652, D97, 8125, or Mercury would all be good options. Listed in order from softest/slowest to firmest/fastest. Cheers

[@paulharding1621]

Hi Jeff, do you put wax on your string serving in the nock area? Thanks again for another informative video. 🇬🇧

[@Clint-fh6nm]

Learning how to build your own strings is one of the best ways to save money in traditional archery. They can be made for pennies on the dollar compared to purchasing.

[@kendallinman606]

Could I use a D-97 string from TTT on my Bear Grizzly

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@kendallinman606 I’d say yes, I’m running them on my Sanlida Royal X8 and it’s almost identical to the Grizzly on the tips just don’t use pure fast flight but TTT’s D97 should be fine, I ran them on my old Grayling KMag for years no problem 👍🏻

[@chopers49]

What's the general rule for storing your bow? I've heard mixed opinions on leaving it strung and unstringing it? What is the best option? 🤟

[@kanyinak]

Hopefully Jeff replies to this. I have a Martin Hatfield takedown that is a 'pre fastflight' model. You were saying that D97 is safe for use on non fastflight tips? I'm not sure I should chance D97 on my treasured Hatfield? It's plenty fast with B55 and whisper quiet.

[@robbo392]

When you shot the satori what brace height did you run?

[@ClintCreel-ym4qk]

Love your videos. I got black hunter recurve 40 lbs. What string is best .and how far should my arrow stick pass my hand at full fraw .

[@aranha9365]

I got a 45lb BH just over a month ago. Just sent it back because I realized that the riser face where the top limb seats is not square with the riser, which twists the limb slightly... the shop will replace it. About the arrow lenght, it is up to you, if you shoot gap will need a longer arrow, if you shoot instinctive it can get very close to your hand, just enough for not cutting yourself with the broadhead.

[@anotheryoutuber_]

thanks

[@chopers49]

Who makes your strings? I'd really like to know!

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@chopers49 TTT Strings, they have a huge facebook page 👍🏻

[@chopers49]

@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 thank you for your hard work Sir! Happy New Year!

[@grille_c]

What's about Whisper String in comparison?

[@greeneyesfromohio4103]

So basically the only benefit of a D-97 and fast flight string over a D-55 Dacron is faster fps…and it’s only around 5ish fps faster? That’s not much at all! Am I understanding that correctly?

[@J0SH881]

What is the name of the intro music?

[@richardstheman1]

Are you still running a D97 fast flight on your hermit? That's what I have. With the limb backing material, limb savers, and string silencers...people still commented on how noisy it is. Im running an even tiller and shooting 3 under with an NAP arrow rest.

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@richardstheman1 I’m running a D97 on mine, not fast flight with puffs and it’s quiet.

[@richardstheman1]

@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Ahh. I must have gotten it wrong when I ordered the string. I thought D97 WAS a fast flight string, so that's what I got. I'm gonna get another hermit in a higher # draw when they're out. I'll ask Trevor for a D97 on that one. Thank you very much, Jeff! God bless ya!

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@richardstheman1 yes sir!

[@aranha9365]

I also thought d97 was a fast flight 😅

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@aranha9365 don’t feel bad lol they do actually make blended D97 and Spectra calling them fast flight but pure SK75 Dyneema is D97

[@realmissourioutdoors1045]

I'm really shopping for a new bow . I'm thinking Oberon if I get one what string would u suggest.

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@realmissourioutdoors1045 The TTT Strings are really sweet with the double silencers and the factory strings are actually really good just raw with no silencers or nocks tied on but are D97!

[@flyneagle8873]

Hey Jeff, great video, thanx for all the info. By the way can you suggest to Trevor at TTT to set up a website for the purchase of his strings. I dont do Facebook. I've tried his website & nothing. Blessings as always

[@jacobwilliams5271]

I 2nd this, I want to try his strings but can't get in contact with him

[@brettellis423]

I would purchase TTT strings too if he had a website to order from because I don't use PayPal, and I'm in Australia. 👍

[@johnthearcher662]

Waiting for this too!

[@ronelkins1057]

Maybe he doesn’t want to be miserable by being TOO busy.

[@flyneagle8873]

@@ronelkins1057 I'm sure Trevor has a Team that works with him, to help lighten his load. What say you?

[@bowman321123]

I've used B55 for many years since I learned to twist my own strings. I had a BP Rogue recurve destroyed because of the mistaken use of a borrowed fast-flight string. Great video, great information, thanks.

[@miragexl007]

What Long bow is that

[@jblanla]

For your Royal X8 recurve what arrow setup were you shooting with B55 string vs D97? I’m curious if the same arrow setup can be used if b55 has 14 strands and d97 16

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@jblanla not unless I go up 50 grains or go down a spine unless you get TTT to build you a B55 that is 16 strand and his process makes it actually shoot the same as a D97 for the most part and the factory strings are actually B55 just not stretched much like his are.

[@greghawks3144]

How différence in waxing in these different strings

[@musthavefaith8142]

Hey Jeff, I have a dilemma with tuning carbon arrows. My recurve will shoot woods all day long just fine but when it comes to carbon I've must if spent $500 in accessories and arrows with no luck...I need help

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@musthavefaith8142 hmm, it’s usually the other way around lol

[@Stickbow1980]

It's all about your spine stiffness and how the arrow leaves the bow. The arrow must flex as it leaves the bow and if your shooting off the shelf or using a burger button then your spine must be correct or it will actually work against you and the arrow just won't leave the vow properly without without clearance issues

[@dalesmith5126]

If I used wool puffs in my area, they would become a complete mess with stick tights, they would be useless. I use Cat whiskers, no problem.

[@bowhuntingsoul2149]

Exactly the same for me.

[@fabienlarcher4552]

You have said on the other video: "These royal x8 have wooden tips. They are not built for fast flight string." Now, you use a D97 string! I'm sorry but the D97 string are a fast flight string. The guys of Greatplains bow told me this: "Well if it's a D97 string there will be failures on that bow. Solid wood tips. No reinforcement"

[@soonerfabrication4044]

Have had this same conversation several times myself, Sanlida claims that the factory string is D97. I dont believe it is, its not like any bcy D97, or Brownell fast flight string, that I use in my string making. And because of the tips on the royal, I made mine from bcy B55 material. Its plenty fast, and I dont believe it will harm the bow like the D97. However to each his own. I have been following along to see or hear about any failures due to the faster skinny string, and so far I have not heard of any?? Let me know, please.

[@fabienlarcher4552]

@@soonerfabrication4044 For the eagle x9, Sanlida says nothing about the string. You haven't hearded about any failures maybe because people use the original string. And I believe that this string is probably a B55 string.

[@soonerfabrication4044]

@@fabienlarcher4552 I would probably agree with that ,except some Chinese off brand, it doesn't even look like bcy to me. Mine stretched (ALOT). Before finally settling down, but when it did It actually shot very well.

[@fahlvfaust677]

​@@fabienlarcher4552eagle x9 is ff compatible, they use bakelite on the limb tip.

[@fabienlarcher4552]

@@fahlvfaust677 Ok. But why they lie about the royal x8?

[@Matt-d8m]

If you want something in between a B55 & D97/8125 you can use BCY 652. Jeff Kaminski explains this very well. Softer and quieter than D97/8125 but faster than B55. 652 is the original ‘Fast Flight’. The ‘Fast Flight’ slogan is confusing to a lot of people.

[@robtiberio6574]

How about Jack Howard string material. No longer made..lots of stretch. Daycron. Remember never use FF on JH bow. Long live the 2114. .Jack Master

[@Elkmonger]

My Galaxy Hybrid longbow is absolutely atrocious with anything other than B55. It’s loud and has handshock. I don’t like the feel of most of the fast flight strings. The fast flight strings are about 5fps faster. With B55 and a 530gr arrow it shoots 164fps. 45# and I draw 29”

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@Elkmonger exactly and much quieter!

[@PatrickBlack-q1n]

How do you contact TTT

[@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998]

@@PatrickBlack-q1n Facebook page 👍🏻

[@Stykbow]

BCY 8125