Which Classes Are Actually Fun for Raiding?

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[@healingroot365]

Clearly he's never played a druid

[@drainzs]

Yeah he gets into raids.

[@flextime6349]

NeHan druids don’t get invited?

[@drainzs]

@@flextime6349 they do but only as healers and most speed runners dont inv one. Sadly...

[@victorwinqvist4277]

i would strongly argue that feral druid should be in the a-tier category for this. Powershifting and mana management included into the energy trick managment rotation is super engadgeing and realy fun =)

[@brucesamuelson7337]

Meta is like all the other youtubers... Retail brains that can't play a feral druid right, so they say druids can only heal

[@jebus7x7]

Feral is only like that in classic because of wolfshead. Outside of that it was watch omen procs. Following an icyveins guide wont give you top dps if you dont energy management etc. Sealfate > feral

[@brucesamuelson7337]

@@jebus7x7 feral is more than just dps

[@jebus7x7]

Youre right.. its 3% crit for its group and if you are power shifting you keep your innervates. You wont offheal, and off tanking is situational but without thick hide dont bother.. so yeah.. im talkin in dps regards not new age classic toss free insta casts in cat

[@brucesamuelson7337]

@@jebus7x7 go back to retail... You're not even considering feral hybrid bear/cat... Bears are the best tanks in the game and cats can put up some serious damage throughout most of the expansion

[@c.benmansour3546]

As a mage and a druid, I disagree. Mages are superboring in raids, that's true. But druids are so much fun to play in raids. No utility you say. I like keeping an eye out for other healers mana bars and making the right decision with my innervate. I like quickly switching to bear form, so I can stun a mob to save somebody from dying. Or maybe tank altogether if needed. I like timing my swiftmend perfectly to be super mana efficient, or save a tank from dying. Meanwhile our debuffs and buffs are very useful and underestimated. We need to lower that target's armor while healing that tank, while keeping an eye out for feeble cloth wearers. But what I love most? Druids don't need cookie cutter specs (like the usual 30/21 or 31/20). We have such a wide range of options when it comes to raiding. Being a mage or a druid makes a huge difference in challenge (in raids, easy mages!).

[@Startrance85]

As a holy priest i love all my druid raiding buddies.

[@c.benmansour3546]

@@akhsdenlew1861 sorry but that doesn't sound interesting or impressive at all. No, you pop a gem when ur low on mana. U evocate when ur low on mana. There's no consequence for the raid when u pop it 20 sec earlier. And u can't choose who to give it too. Sorry but you either don't understand the principle of a utility class or you're just extremely somber and depressed. Or a butthurt mage. Yeah that's probably it. You're a mage.... Don't worry. Nobody said mages are easy in general. They're super challenging in pvp.. Your ego can rest.

[@c.benmansour3546]

@@akhsdenlew1861 I don't need to check what I wrote myself. All I see is a butthurt mage that doesn't allow room for other classes to express how much they love it. And with a LOT of words. Even this reply will probably bring you to the edge of your seat. Chill out man. Mages are cool. So are druids. Is that okay to say?

[@c.benmansour3546]

@@akhsdenlew1861 nah I'm good. You made your point, thanks.

[@Mothgoth1]

akhs denlew supplying entire raids with waters and whatever is not fun or difficult, it’s brain dead. Druids are more fun.

[@lanceroygames]

No one: Metagoblin: Bob's your uncle.

[@futura8888]

been playing a warlock this time round and having a blast raiding with this class.

[@bluefate2159]

doesnt it get boring spamming 1 button?

[@futura8888]

I think thats a mage youre talking about lol

[@bluefate2159]

@@futura8888 warlock spam shadowbolt no?

[@futura8888]

@@bluefate2159 depends on the spec

[@bluefate2159]

@@futura8888 ah, im thinking about playing balance druid

[@TheHometodd]

Can’t say I agree with warlock being like, dead last. You’re missing out on curses, proper banishing, and of course we have to tank a boss in AQ. Like, that’s even leaving out having to time shadowburn and death coil for when you get shadow vulnerability up. Lil disappointed there.

[@Scottejaye]

I’m a deeply offended feral Druid 😂😂😂

[@Ghalion666]

I agree mostly except Id stick pally in C tier too. Id say healing as a priest borders A tier, and IS A tier in BC where you get mass dispel, prayer of mending, more spirit mechanics, and a greater need to be mindful of the 5 second rule if you arent in a speed clearing guild that murders bosses before anyone can go OOM.

[@Klimbert47]

As a healing druid you obviously have to heal but apart from that watch other healers mana and innervate if needed. You also have rebirth which is very important, so you need to decide which player gets a battle ress. Feral druids are also quite fun to play in raiding, you mostly dps but on certain fights you may also do some offtanking.

[@deepfocus91]

Where have i heard that background music from before? Is it Elder scrolls?

[@tapilogali]

Yes it's from Oblivion I believe. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rInNaGSoYrylh80 22:00

[@aptubby1]

How on earth... is druid c teir that's 100% someone who has never played one full stop.

[@whyme4476]

Because you are spamming 1 spell 90% of the time. Healing touch. He is talking end game raiding not casual raiding guild that takes feral kitties. 😂

[@aptubby1]

@@whyme4476 the question was which classes are fun? Feral is extremely fun and brings massive utility having 1 feral will give other Mele 3% crit if there are not enough shamans around and within a second can off tank successfully and chuck a inverate on any priest too. Also the feral dps rotation is much more interesting than most mele. Look I'm not expecting everyone to understand. Some people dont know classes beyond mage rogue warrior but I dont mind telling people when they are wrong :)

[@whyme4476]

Tr1gg4h Gaming Most. Guilds don’t take feral druids. I agree feral druids are fun. Very. But when he makes a video he has to take some stand doesn’t he. Otherwise all classes would fall into being fun. Mages could kite a boss with blink and FN and sheep a second target while creating food and water and training the raid instead of doing it pre pull. But mostly mages just spam frost bolt. Now stop being a snowflake and accept that MOST druids simply spam healing touch. Not you. Just MOST

[@WWSzar]

@@whyme4476 Read the video title

[@toonsy8248]

@@WWSzar why me is 100%. Feral Druid might be fun, but being useless to a raid isn’t. Lol

[@jordanjandreau7380]

Hunter has been somewhat fun. Its interesting to learn the rotation, and keeps you more engaged than just pressing the same button over and over.

[@Angryferbie]

Basically are though

[@deathcoil471]

Yeah but noone wants hunters in MC. You only need 1 and if you have a good guild dont even need the 1

[@BW-og1vu]

@@deathcoil471 Reading comments like this i always laugh^^. I would like to see the logs from your guild. Im quite sure you are far away from what is possible in MC and the following patches :-)

[@deathcoil471]

@@BW-og1vu lol. If you hunters are useful in MC besides tranq shot and kiting domo then I would love to see YOUR logs

[@deathcoil471]

@@Sleeman0980 yeah man. In this phase rogues and warriors do more damage. Sometimes you'll see a mage or warlock in top 10 dps but only if they have all world buffs and get good rng. I'm a warlock we wont top dps til phase 3 and later

[@Kalarandir]

Really have to ask. What is your raid doing if it is having its Druids only heal? Druids are possibly the best tanks for MC as it is HPs that is the most important stat. Then there is powershifting when they are required to dps. Healing only druids really are so 2005. Druids of all the classes are the only one that can perform every role to a high standard and not just viable. I think a lack of experience playing a druid or possibly even having none in your raid is showing here.

[@brucesamuelson7337]

His repeated willful ignorance... In most of his videos he ignores feral as a viable spec, and I seriously doubt he's ever played any class other than rogue and horribly playing shaman

[@haldir108]

I really don't think the warrior belongs in the same tier as "big slow heals, WITH BUFFS ON!" class, and i do think it is better than the hunter too. I think warriors, and maybe also rogues should have their own S-tier.

[@H41030v3rki110ny0u]

9:00 Oh yeah... the Oblivion music

[@toonsy8248]

Mage is okay, you have to properly tome Cooldowns and stuff for parsing and proper trinket usage. Then an AQ it becomes a little more difficult

[@cameron9127]

Oblivion soundtrack ahhhhhhh

[@pancreasdragonheart9765]

Druid with their HoTs is the most interesting and fun way to heal in Classic, imo. Try hard Feral DPS is by far the most demanding and difficult way to play in Classic. Druid, in general, is the best PvP class when mastered in Classic. You can beat any other class.

[@dani-uf1eo]

Situational*

[@tharandilarfeiniel3550]

I play a mage.Yes frost mages are boring.How about fire mages when ZG and AQ come around? They are a viable raid spec. And they require a great effort to play.

[@Maishian]

I would say feral dps has the most interesting (and probably difficult) dps rotation in classic. If you even call it a rotation; as it is more timing power shifting with energy ticks then just spamming shred and bite. Feral is viable and in some fights competitive with top dps classes (mostly tank and spank with little movement). In current MC/BWL raids I can hit 700dps in cat on bosses. 1000 by the time you're in AQ40 BiS. If you're going to say "ohh but that's just cus you're in a casual guild", then you're wrong. I'm in a top 3 server guild and we clear MC in under 40 mins when we do speed runs. I'm not saying this as a way to brag, but to show taking at least 1 feral in your raid isn't a waste of a raid spot even for "hardcore" guilds. A pummeler bear can out threat any warrior till Naxx and it's still even once a fury/prot war is in full Naxx gear. Their general damage mitigation is fine too. Bear tanking is fairly straightforward ability wise, you spam maul, swipe if you want to rage dump. But tanking has its own set of skills in itself. Positioning, movement etc. One seriously wrong move as a tank can wipe a raid. This makes bear or tanking fun in its own way. The only way they are held back is they don't have abilities like shield wall, last stand and life giving gem in classic. This makes certain boss fights (maexxna in enrage phase and webbed) impossible for bear. Without shield wall, you will die. This is fortunately a minority of fights. I would say something like 95% of bosses in classic can be Main tanked by bears and even in the 5% they can't, they can still act as off-tank. I have played feral since day 1 original vanilla btw, all the way to early cata, and again now in classic. I decided to play feral again for classic because I knew it wasn't going to be a 1 button rotation class, so it would actually be interesting to play and a challenge to do well on.

[@rogerioalves8863]

i wont trust sum1 who clicks on spells like aspect of cheetah

[@zancoo1]

druid in C? a druid can tank heal and dps and be viable in all three. Getting the best of ALL worlds idk what could be more fun.

[@___Robin___]

You can only go in one spec when you raid and people will let you go resto all the time. Feral and boomkin are kinda meme.

[@Kretserud]

@@___Robin___ HOTW/NS can do both

[@TheIrishdude85]

Mages are more fun when you go fire spec

[@FuzzyChubbyPurpleUnicorn]

I always get yelled at when I'm a fire mage in classic

[@fredriksvard2603]

But mage is a very comfy ride

[@scottkelley4517]

Arms warrior in vanilla was pretty fun. Did decent dps and could off tank. I played mage aswell but it wasn’t fun until tbc when you could do a complex rotation in arcane to maintain dps.

[@autistusmaximus8040]

Imagine sending death threats to people over a videogame.. ffs mate come talk to me when you dont have to ask your mum permission to go out past 10

[@autistusmaximus8040]

@Brian in this case, how fun the individual classes are in raids, are highly subjective and its impossible for everyone to agree, otherwise we only ever see one class played.. what horrible game it would be :P

[@autistusmaximus8040]

@Brian i thinl everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of their knowledge on the subject, how serious you take the video is up to you

[@swiftcheese4103]

@@autistusmaximus8040 The issue is that he's obviously never truly played several of the classes he's decided to rank. "Pally-power abilities," for example... "Pally Power" is a flipping add-on that Paladins use to manage their buffs so they don't have to click each person/class individually. There is no "Pally-power ability." If he does not have accurate information or experience playing a certain class, he should not include it in his list. For example, I have a 60 Paladin and Warrior, so I can speak to those but I've never touched a Shaman in Classic, so I wouldn't rate their level of fun in the game. Also, the title clearly suggests he is telling us which classes are actually fun for raiding and many of his reasons are based on utility rather than actual entertainment. (Apart from his obvious idiocy in regards to class abilities)

[@Jackaroo.]

Basically any class that isn't a healer. Leveled a shaman to 60, got into a top 10 guild in the world, raided for about a month and noped the fuck out. Sold my account and uninstalled WoW.

[@jamesb9557]

would agree on most but after playing a few healers druid was by far the most fun with HoTs but personal opinion

[@slapt3245]

Strongly disagree with the warlock portion. You've clearly never played a warlock. In MC, every lock (4-5) can use corruption. 2 others will use curse of shadow and curse of elements, and sometimes a 3rd will use curse of recklessness. But ALL warlocks (unless not spec'd for instant corruption cast) will use corruption. If you're SM/Ruin spec, you will have nightfall, which gives a chance at an instant shadowbolt proc. Upon this proc happening, you can possibly crit with the shadowbolt placing a debuff on the mob increasing shadow damage by 20% for a certain amount of abilities/time, which you can then use shadowburn which is instant, and death coil which is instant for CRAZY burst damage opportunities if played correctly. I've instantly doubled every bit of damage the top DPS player has done in a certain fight with a couple seconds of luck and timing. Being able to hand out healthstones to the tanks to pair with their health pots for emergencies. Placing your imp in the tanking position for boss fights for an extra stam buff on the tank. Soul stones for tanks/healers to jump back in the fight, and/or for wipe recovery. Banishing extra elemental targets that get pulled. UTILITYYYYY!!! When it comes to longer fights, you now have a lot more mechanics to play with to STAY in the fight. When you see a warlock at the top of the meters during a 3+ minute fight, you know that guy knows what he's doing and is playing his class well. Lifetap.. ohhhh lifetap. Finding that sweet spot, the perfect time to tap so that you can death coil/healthstone/health pot to tap a few more times is the key to playing a warlock. Making sure to keep stacked on soul shards so that you can take advantage of shadowburn every time it's off CD in a boss fight (instant caste damage ability with only a 15 second cd!!!). Throwing in a curse of doom on off-targets. Death coil/healthstone combo if-no-WHEN you pull agro off the tank. If you're someone who just uses corruption at the start of the fight, shadowbolts til hes low and lifetaps to near death, then just sits and prays someone in the raid heals him.. you are playing your class very wrong and are probably reallllly low on the DPS charts. These things, paired with all the utility that comes with playing a warlock, easily puts it in the A class for me.

[@slapt3245]

@@Variia haven't had an issue in our raid. just under 2 hour clear, 10/10. not hardcore whatsoever, pretty casual

[@slapt3245]

@@Variia its definitely something to take into consideration even for casual raids. Just not something that's been brought up. Maybe it hasn't been noticed? We can run the logs. Maybe your're right, I'll mention it to the raid lead :)

[@aaaak4]

when do you use corruption? my tanks are shit so i need to use curse and corruption at the beginning

[@McPeror]

Just spam heals 4Head

[@everlett1122]

You don't appear to know that tank dps and healing are all viable for druid in classic. Have you not see how fucking good a druid tank can be in classic? dps sure almost no one does cat well but it is possible google shedo.

[@lockdudebro]

I just dont understand how people think classic WoW is fun, there are classes that push LITERALLY one button

[@simoncodrington]

Cheers for the video mate

[@MetaGoblin]

No worries man

[@fatalalchemy602]

How the hell is druid not #1 in A tier? They are the most versatile class in game, can perform every roll effectively (even moonkins), press more buttons then any healer (and are great raid saving healers most of the time), feral dps is extremely hard to master, and bear tanking is amazingly good. Druids are the most versatile, fun, exciting and hardest class to master in the game hands down,

[@DriftNick]

We get it you play a druid but they are not hard to master in PvE, moonkins are trash dps and go oom in an instant, resto push one button to heal most of the time, feral dps is a clunky mess, feral tank is worse then warrior in every way (at least for horde) and really boring.

[@fenristhor9204]

Alliance Druid works but horde does not, and this is alot thanks to paladin buffs. Moonkin works now when ppl kill bosses much faster.

[@brucesamuelson7337]

Meta... How are you calling a tank warrior A tier and not a feral druid... Not only do they get all the mastery and intrigue of tanking, but when OTing, you also get to dps... Balancing your gear to do both, doing chain pulls, being called to decurse on some fights, watching swing timers and energy timers to pop an emergency innervate on healers, brez in emergencies... Shame meta, quit being like the rest of the toxic retail community and accept that Feral is a spec, and is fun and takes a ton of skill. Stop pidgeonholing druids as resto... Also warlocks don't use shadowbolt past bwl... If you're going to present yourself as knowledgeable, then do your research before you make a video

[@Osv_TV]

Warlocks use shadowbolts pass bwl, however, warlocks use more than shadowbolts, even in MC.

[@johanedman3468]

Hunter and rogue are easy to play You really have no idé dude

[@henrikbeckham7467]

Hey man, really appreciate a lot of your vids but you're quite a bit off on a few classes, like Warlock for instance. Warlocks don't just spam shadowbolt. Curses, keep dots up on multiple targets, banishes, some tanking in AQ40 etc. While I like the idea of the video, it's probably not a great idea if you haven't played every class, or at least gotten enough info about what each class does in raids.

[@TimeTricks]

To all that druids complaining, wanna see your feral maintank dudu starting to heal in a boss fight or starting to battlerez xD and now i reffer to metagoblin we talking about a raid envoirment where u have a fucking role to fullfill and not doing 3 things horrible

[@dollebrekel]

Oké i can agree how you explain every class. It is hard to say witch class is fun to play it also depends on how u want to play. I want to get the most out of my class. I play hunter and Warlock. Back in vanilla I play mage and druid. But as I say before you just explain the basics of the class. But when you want to get the maximum out of your class then the list should be different. Over all other expensions i play as a healer. And i miss it in vanilla. Anyway resto druid is extremely fun to play. Watch hot timer. Always be aware when to pop tranquil focus your own targets watch other mana users mana. Warlocks yes u mostly spell shadow bolt. But uu need to consider witch pet u need gonna take. When to use your life tab. For now u can use it almost on every time but later u lose around 60% of your health. So u need to shoot with lower ranks for your mana management. This are just few examples

[@cruros9084]

I main hunter and the fact that the class scales so poorly makes me depressed. Have a good day.

[@MN-wg8qd]

What is the beginning song

[@Ellert00]

pretty poorly thought out video, more than 1 spec for each class

[@WWSzar]

Rather poor knowledge of the classes, especially Druid.

[@jasonweiss3160]

Lol. Hunter A tier and Druid C tier? I love classic wow because there still is a skill gap in all classes. This list proves it.

[@GhilleAir]

You can clearly tell the type of player metagoblin is lol. 75% of this list is just straight up wrong

[@Burlehmangus]

Well firstly, to all the people giving shit about hunter being a tier....if you think hunter is one of the boring simple classes then you’ve never played hunter at the skill ceiling. (Also melee spellpower Hunter is a thing, I can currently pull about 490-520 dps in mc as one. Secondly, agreed this is poorly thought out, as he’s covering essentially one spec per class....and this is classic, not original vanilla, and phase 2 at that. There’s no reason the underdogs can’t raid just fine. Lastly, WHY THE FUCK YOU USING AN IMP ON A FIRE ELEMENTAL YOU DERP. I’d be embarrassed to put that shit in a video

[@DriftNick]

Can you link logs of you being a melee hunter doing 500dps?

[@zyon2901]

This Oblivion music

[@kiptandoru]

My man!

[@jonathannickerson3994]

Warlocks can banish too

[@ChiefGreen]

Ret Paladin Tier A

[@MrEverisforever]

You just assume all druids are resto!?

[@repentwow5147]

bob isnt my uncle

[@TacynMegan]

It always trigggers me when people Reffer to vanilla/classic as an expansion

[@brucesamuelson7337]

It triggers me when people can't spell properly while trying to troll.

[@connorkenney6938]

I would argue Balance druids could be above c tier. Tons a flexibility and can change what you do you depending on fights and pulls.

[@johanberube3490]

I like your videos on classics, but .. maan druid shoudln't be in your c categories. I personnally play feral / resto hybrid specc. I am dps / offtank in core MC raid. Ok im not toping meters of course (I'm not farming pummelers), but I saved MT ass like 3 times last night with a nature swiftness rank 10 healing touch. DPSing and watching raid's health pool and healer's mana (for innervate ofc), plus managing powershifthing, my own mana, etc. is quite a job.

[@Mezer_PoE]

Sad to see you not mention Enhancement/Elemental. I main enhancement and can pull upwards of 500 dps on fights without worldbuffs or tons of consumable buffs, just Mongoose + nightfin soups

[@DriftNick]

Sure you do.

[@Mezer_PoE]

@@DriftNick classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kromcrush/mezer

[@Mezer_PoE]

@@DriftNick Those parses are in PvP spec too, 0-38-13, so not benefitting from improved strength totem or Concussion. I don't even drop GoA I drop WF for my melee and on certain fights drop tremor so I don't benefit from strength totem.

[@Burlehmangus]

Doffy good for you doffy! I’m glad you showed that piece of shit what the underdogs can do. Fuck him, he’s too embarrassed to even respond

[@DriftNick]

@@Burlehmangus Most people lie about how much damage they do, also this video is about what is fun to play in raids not what is strong, dps shamans are not fun to play in raids in Vanilla.

[@Moredakkamus]

How dare you mention fun! Pistols at dawn!

[@SmithyD86]

I have no idea why you receive death threats I think it's disgusting, but as a vanilla wow and private server player I have to say I think you lack a massive amount of game knowledge in a number of your videos that I've seen. Best of luck in the future I hope you start to really deep dive and speak to knowledgeable people before making videos to release better content.

[@Petternn]

Bear tank

[@stemina32]

Should be which spec and not class

[@HendricP]

Wow man, the way you heal on that shaman made me stop this video, its super cringy... you stop casting, and whatnot, trying to "save mana" while your party is kinda dying LOL. I otherwise enjoy your content, and happy for it, but this was too much for myself XD

[@Benkkuful]

wtf, nobody was even close to dying.

[@soab24]

Who is dying? Do you know what life tap is? Fuck I hate it when the dumbest people have to be the loudest.

[@HendricP]

Are we implying that these raids are difficult, or what?

[@MetaGoblin]

I'm skimpy with healing in dungs so I don't have to drink. Saves time imo.

[@HendricP]

@@MetaGoblin I just used to downrank but mages and whatnot will have to stop and drink anyways. If you are in a full melee group I can understand it somewhat.

[@BigBojoG]

Bad list.

[@SeksyTimes]

Lock rotation in MC: SB -> Corruption -> SB -> Shadowburn -> SB -> Deathcoil -> SB -> SB -> SB -> Shadowburn, re apply corruption when needed. keep your target banished. tab targets to make sure you're DPSing the closest one so you don't have to move when not needed. tab when you do need to move. it's a lot more than just press shadowbolt MetaGoblin. :) Still agree that there are more complicated classes to raid with.

[@markxv2267]

Locks are ez mode

[@nickmarmo]

That pressing shadow bolt with extra steps