Which Countries Are Still at War from WW2? - WW2 - OOTF 37

[@WorldWarTwo]

We’ll soon be running an Out of the Foxholes style show for the Korean War, so start submitting your questions on Patreon or at Timeghost.tv. Also, we haven’t actually settled on a name for this show yet. Any suggestions? Leave them down below!

[@FrowningCatt]

....."Out of the trench-holes"?

[@adjsmith]

Out of the Pocket?

[@rocko7711]

❤

[@Teleoceras]

Out of the Perimeter?

[@Jetiiluigi]

Past the Perimeter!

[@ramonribascasasayas7877]

4:50 'Earthlings! I demand to see your leader!'

[@WorldWarTwo]

An audio issue slipped through! It shall be fixed soon.

[@ramonribascasasayas7877]

@@WorldWarTwo No need to! It makes you human! :D

[@ΙωάννηςΚήτος]

Greece and Albania are still at war, technically, because in order to conduct war on the territory of Albania which was then under Italian occupation, we declared war on Albania as well. And since there has never been an international agreement ending it, we are still at war.

[@Imperator_Gr]

I don't think it is a real issue. There is no state of war between Greece and Albania. It is an "issue" solely from the Albanian perspective.

[@ΙωάννηςΚήτος]

@@Imperator_Gr true, but the original question in the video was if there are any countries still in a state of war as a result of WW2 and technically this is still the case for us and Albania

[@Imperator_Gr]

@@ΙωάννηςΚήτος Which is not actually true since the Greek government under Papandreou did revoke it.

[@ΙωάννηςΚήτος]

@@Imperator_Gr a government decision (even if we assume that it was a legal one, because as I recall this was just a decision by the Council of Ministers which is an unofficial instrument) doesn't end a war, there has to be an international agreement with the other party, that is why we continue to the present day the relevant discussion with Albania

[@jliller]

Has TimeGhost done a video about the Italian occupation of Albania?

[@ramonribascasasayas7877]

After the video of the many faces of Indy Neidell, the many voices of Indy Neidell at 4:50

[@alexteichner9988]

I thought my speakers broke lol

[@WorldWarTwo]

Slight audio error! We are working on a fix.

[@ramonribascasasayas7877]

@@WorldWarTwo Please, don't. No need to.

[@loganmurray8810]

@@WorldWarTwo Indy just wanted to play the droid commander one last time

[@andreluislimaa]

I think Out of the Foxholes episodes should have a framed picture of the Chair of Infinite Knowledge on the table. hehehe

[@watcherzero5256]

What the Japanese called Naval Landing Forces we traditionally called a Shore Party, members of the ships crew that on an ad-hoc basis would be assigned to support the Marines during landing operations such as rowing boats, hauling supplies, hauling and operating cannon and acting as auxiliary troops.

[@_ArsNova]

It's just a difference of words really, but yes they were essentially just shore parties in their early history. The SNLF did become a more USMC-reminiscent force when its formations started become permanent in the early-1930s, going as far as to train their own armored and airborne arms.

[@theTeleforce]

Is that Conrad von Hötzendorf on the wall on the left over there? Never change, Indy.

[@WorldWarTwo]

It is indeed, nice spot!

[@jerrywood4508]

I really liked this episode running longer. These questions are always very interesting, and I appreciate the detail of your answers.

[@frenchtoast9926]

Damn I just randomly got recommended this video I remember Indy from his Sunday Baseball channel way back in like 2013 nice to see you again Indy

[@joeryan1153]

Hi Indy, Although Ireland was not a participant in WW2 it did declare a state of emergency in 1939 and applied new emergency powers that gave the state special powers for the course of the war. Thing is that when WW2 ended nobody noticed that the state of emergency remained in place. In fact it wasn't officially ended until 1976 when following the assassination of the British Ambassador the then government decided to declare a state of emergency but legally couldn't because the state of emergency declared in 1939 was never ended and you can't have 2 separate states of emergency in one country at the same time!!

[@MrDubyadee1]

My great uncle “Rocky” was in the OSS and then the CIA. He did work with the Italian mafia and other anti-fascists in Italy during the war. Rocky was 1 of 13 children of a pair of Italian immigrants (my great grandparents). All the family knew was that Rocky dressed well and traveled often to Italy. He had no visible means of support so rumors started in the family that he himself was Mafia. It wasn’t until shortly before his death that we found out about his OSS and CIA employment. (He never said what he did.) The family seemed disappointed that he worked for the government and not the Mafia. I suspect some indulged in revenge fantasies staring their “mafioso brother/uncle”. No, he was just a hardworking government spook. No fun in that.

[@valejazz]

The extent of Mussolini's struggle against the sicilian mafia is very debated by italian historians. The trend is towards a serious reduction of its impact, for istance Claudio Mori was "promoted" as he got too close to the top of the organizations and their political sponsors. Then the regime declared mafia defeated, while ordering newspapers to label its crimes in ordinary ways, obtaining a massive reduction of crimes attributed to mafia in stats... It was a tricky and winning propaganda strategy, which contributed to create one of the many myths about the fascist era (like trains always right on time). Francesco Filippi's books are highly recommended for their accurate debunking of these legends.

[@dereks1264]

Will you be producing a series on the "Resistance War against America" aka the Vietnam War? I realise it would be a giant undertaking but I think you'd do a bang-up job of it

[@hannahskipper2764]

Great tie, Indy! And funny comment at the end about waiting around.

[@indianajones4321]

Let’s go! More OOTF!

[@MagicScientist]

11:10 Speaking of I/P, are you planning on doing a follow up to Spartacus and Sebastian's video that covers the intervening years between the end of the 1948 war and Oct. 7? I feel like there is a lot of context that is left out by ending the story at that point, especially considering that it was made in response to Oct. 7

[@davidfromkyushu6870]

Concerning SNLF and infantry training, that wasn't unique to Japan as even the US Navy trained Sailors in infantry tactics in boot camp before, during and after WW2, and maintained the ability to create landing forces of armed Sailors from ship's crews until the 1970s. An earlier example of US Sailors used in combat as a landing force would be in Vera Cruz.

[@maynardcarmer3148]

On my destroyer, in the late 60s, a portion of the crew were designated the ship's landing party. As a Hospital Corpsman, I was assigned to that party, and since I had noncombatant status, I was issued a 1911A1 .45 cal. pistol for the defense of any potential wounded and myself. The rest carried Thompson submachine guns, Browning Automatic Rifles, or M1 Garands. Yes, we were still using leftovers from WWII and Korea.

[@pauldehart744]

My Dad was trained by the Marines after he finished his tech school in 1945. He ended up in China after the end of the war.

[@davidfromkyushu6870]

@@maynardcarmer3148 thanks for sharing! I've never heard about what it was like from someone who was a designated landing party member, post World War II.

[@maynardcarmer3148]

@davidfromkyushu6870 The majority of the landing party was drawn from the deck division- Boatswain's mates of various ranks- but there was also an engineman's mate for the motor whaleboat, a radioman, and me. About 20 men in all.

[@davidfromkyushu6870]

@@maynardcarmer3148 thanks for laying that out.

[@JustSomeCanuck]

Oh no - Indy's been into the panzerschokolade again. Must have been some birthday party ;)

[@robertjarman3703]

Indy trying Pico in Prague in the 1990s: I feel great! Twenty Hours Later: I don't feel so great.

[@Soundbrigade]

A six-pounder maybe?!

[@El_Presidente_5337]

Weekend time. Learning for university can wait a bit, I have three videos (1 hour 20) to catch up to.

[@shawnr771]

Thank you for the lessons.

[@joezephyr]

An especially interesting episode thank you Indy.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thanks, how kind of you! -TimeGhost Ambassador

[@RobertGrif]

Indy: "I'm afraid I can't tell you about the SNLF's specific physical requirements." Me: "See, this is what happens when you don't sit IN the Chair of Infinite Knowledge!"

[@AgentGWG]

Another great episode!

[@tylermorrison420]

Congrats on a million subs

[@naveenraj2008eee]

Hi Indy Interesting question And an entertaining answer Thanks for the video.

[@Onthejazz247]

You should do an episode about failed attempts to restore the acid governments like the Hattori group coup plan, the Naumann circle, and maybe Even the tatenokai coup attempt

[@KomradeLeonski]

SNLFs were among those responsible for the worst atrocities in the Battle of Manila

[@austin9988]

Actually that was the Manila Naval Defense Force made up of the 31st Special Base Force and other naval units and stranded naval personnel from sunken ships

[@stuartmcpherson1921]

Read of someone who was very involved with The Normandie who told the fire chief he could go down and open the seacocks which would have the ship settle upright. The chief told him where to go as he was in charge and didn't want to be told anything. Result was too much water on top area of the ship caused it to turn over. Some people can be very arrogant with bad outcomes.

[@djpass-mi4bi]

Even during the war, Italians were portrayed in American media as simple people who just wanted to go home, presumably so as not to offend Americans of Italian descent. Not so in British films.

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@torchris1]

WRT the Mafia, growing up in Montreal I always heard there was a similar deal to keep the docks running & suppress the unions. We would drive by a small mansion on the lake that I was told was given to the head mafioso as a reward.

[@robertranduska2131]

Can we have a chronological after WW2 channel about everything said between 10:00 and 11:30 and more? Please? :)

[@cringlator]

Cesari Mori sounds exactly like a character from a mafia movie

[@Warszawski_Modernizm]

Caesar of Death

[@PuncakeLena]

Wait, I only just spotted this. Is that a Conrad von Hotzendorf portrait on the left wall?

[@porksterbob]

Yes, i was looking for the shoutout to the Burma civil war as a direct result of Ww2.

[@georgefoster8133]

I actually brought the question about the mafia and Sicily in a uni lecture around 20 years ago and was ignored by the professor.

[@edwardburek1717]

Ah, good ol' Out Of The Foxholes! You do realise that this is only the appetiser for the main event, which I am just about to click on now...

[@isrisentoday]

The bloodiest fight of the SNLF was in the Battle of Manila 1945. The whole contingent of 17,000 SNLF under Admiral Iwabuchi was annihilated, taking hundreds of thousands Filipino civilians with them to the afterlife along with thousands of US Army soldiers.

[@mgway4661]

You might make them sound heroic

[@fredaaron762]

Meyer Lansky? I thought that was Hyman Roth! At least that's what Johnny Ola told me.

[@Depipro]

Do not leave your island in the Pacific section underneath the video. Got it! o7

[@thustra07]

My question may not be answered but at least you’re Indy Neidel once again.

[@forcesmuggler7667]

Fantastic

[@donaldhill3823]

My read on Navel Landing Force is that they are literally members of a ships crew. quarter master here, a machinist mates, gunners mates & none rated seaman.

[@Paul-p1p6m]

Thanks.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thanks for watching.

[@kemarisite]

The most important element of the Japanese SNLF is that they were ground forces over which the Navy exercised authority. If nore substantial forces were required, the Navy would have to negotiate with their deadly enemies, the Japanese Army. It's a lot like the way the US Army has helicopters because they're something it CAN have within its own chain of command without the Air Force asserting jurisdiction.

[@stephenandersen4625]

Did the SNLF get army training for the tanks or paratroopers for example? I thought the inter-service rivalry was intense

[@Paladin1873]

I guess we'll never know what kind of chocolate Indy was eating. 😢

[@icarian553]

Technically Finland and Germany are still at war. There was never a peace treaty signed between the two after Germans withdrew from Lapland.

[@viettrungnguyen1242]

Anyone notice the picture of good old Conrad on the wall? 😂😂

[@WorldWarTwo]

Good eye!

[@mrlodwick]

I wait for this content

[@mezzanoon]

Wish we had timestamps for each question

[@FrowningCatt]

Who's still here even after the war ended??

[@isakferm7686]

Maybe like when the allies and Germany forgot that Andorra were still at war 18 years after the treaty of Versailles?

[@afatcatfromsweden]

The war is still ongoing :3

[@ludokresh05]

Yo!

[@michielwerring5846]

Here here!

[@Abdi_AlSheikh]

🕺

[@Asahamana]

I was surprised by The fact that US and The mafia were that close during The ww2. I knew that mafia helped with The invasion to sicily but not The other stuff. I wonder If Vito Corleone knew about this?

[@jliller]

Regarding the disputed Kuriles: are the residents primarily Japanese or not? Seems to me like the split of the islands between Japan and Russia should be defined by who actually lives there.

[@firstcynic92]

None of the residents are Japanese. As noted in the episode, all Japanese residents were deported. USSR, and later Russia, moved Russians into those islands. Currently there's about 20k people living there.

[@F_A-18]

Yeah the Japanese populace either evacuated or were forcibly deported so its not as simple an answer as it seems. Especially since this deportation occured within living memory as there are Japanese people alive today who lived through the deportation.

[@jliller]

@@firstcynic92 If we're letting the Russians keep Kalingrad because they depopulated it of non-Russians and repopulated with Russians after WW2 then I see no reason not to let Russia keep all of the Kuriles that were similarly depopulated of Japanese after WW2 and repopulated with Russians. And before anyone calls me a Tankie: Crimea should be part of Ukraine. There's a difference between what happened 75 years ago, in a war the Germans and Japanese started, compared to what happened a decade in a war the Russians started.

[@Alex-og3ev]

From pre-war population, only Koreans remained. They were brought to the islands by Japanese as cheap/slave labor and were allowed to stay after deportation of Japanese. Although few of them live on Kurils, most of "Russian Koreans" or "Koryo-saram" live on Sakhalin.

[@iamnolegend2519]

Mafia ? Never heard of it.

[@freetolook3727]

Good answer.

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

Is this the REAL Indi?

[@bigdogbourne]

My grandfather was lucky's "driver " and did "his books". He spent over 20 years in the army. He always talked about secret mission to Italy, north Africa, and turkey in a merchant marine vessel in late 42 or 43 with blue in the name but couldn't remember full name. It was him as e4 a colonel and a merchant marine captain. I've looked everywhere for anything that resembles that mission and have found nothing. But have "confirmed" his claims about lucky through family and he was in several major battles in ww2.

[@websterdds]

Bring back the Chair of Wisdom!

[@TheOtherOne122]

Does this mean we will have 79 years of new episodes?

[@FLORATOSOTHON]

Greece and Albania are still technically at war, although there were discussions to end the state of war, there is still no official treaty signed and ratified by the parliaments. There are still bilateral problems between the two countries regarding the rights of a Greek minority in Albania and Albanians who were driven out of Greece as collaborators of the Axis, a similar situation to the Sudetes of Czechoslovakia. The funny part of it is that both Greece and Albania are both NATO allies and the Hellenic and Italian Air Forces are to protect the Albanian air space in times of war.

[@Soundbrigade]

Sweden and San Marino signed a peace treaty not so many decades ago, after having been in war for 3-4 hundred years.

[@Kimmerios-l5u]

There was a decision in Paris' conference of 1946 that the grecoalbanian borders will be decided by a future treaty but this never happened. This lead to a belligerent status between the two countries that lasted for decades.

[@letstrend]

yeah I got a question. Where's the TIe's?

[@tomsnee8287]

I was hoping Indy would have answered the Mafia question in his Marlon Brando voice.

[@turnermorgan1176]

Just a small point: A captain's rank insignia is silver, not gold.

[@jankusthegreat9233]

Good morning

[@freetolook3727]

SNLF: Saturday Night Live Fighters! 😂

[@xXxBladeStormxXx]

Umm is the audio out of sync?

[@WorldWarTwo]

There was a slight audio issue but we should have it fixed soon.

[@zenzej]

I could not find sources on this, but after Poland declared war on Japan, Japan rejected this declaration and two never signed peace treaty, which would make them still at war? or not at al?

[@Soundbrigade]

We spend a night in Corleone, Sicily but no maffia parachutists.

[@lloydzufelt7514]

Hell yeah

[@erikhornfeldt6637]

Why were the V1 and V2 missiles never used against the Russians?

[@_ArsNova]

Because there is so much more land in the USSR and high value targets much more dispersed than in the UK. Soviet war infrastructure had been moved all the way to the Urals by 1942, which are much, much further away than just across the English Channel. In short: These weapons were strategic, not tactical, and the UK's strategic targets were much closer. Editing this comment to also add that one of the objectives of the V-weapons was to degrade enemy morale. Thus these weapons would have far more of an impact if fired at London, a densely-populated enemy capital, as opposed to what few razed Soviet cities were in range as the front drew nearer in 1944.

[@DanielsPolitics1]

Range

[@ricardokowalski1579]

​@@_ArsNova Solid comment. 👍

[@christiansimbarashe]

wake up babe, Indy has dropped another vid

[@johnmcclish2735]

1.02 million Subs Yes!

[@gypsyboomer]

Deep dives require more time. Yes, yes, yes I say! Keep it deep.

[@jasonscragg4056]

Elbonia is still at war.

[@bramstedt8997]

What if the real end of WWII was the friends we made along the way?

[@jasonkoch3182]

Indy, I’d take a two hour long video of you talking.

[@seanbumstead1250]

Isn't their a dispute over some territory between Russia and Finland?

[@kepanoid]

No, not officially. The border is where it now is, according to papers signed by both parties. There's always been an internal Karjala takaisin, Karelia back, group in Finland. Wisely or unwisely, no real geopolitical talk, let alone official demands, have ever come out of that.

[@sam_uelson]

If you go on the deepstate map, it gives you a good idea of what Russian territory is still in dispute.

[@Noone-jn3jp]

Whoever asked the first question needs to go look into the OSS and formation of the CIA. The answer to the question is YES!

[@ricardodelano2205]

and lansky was born in Belarus.

[@agilaeric1987]

15:33 Reminded of the Japanese propaganda film I watched regarding the Shanghai SNLF, "Shanhai Kuga sentai no katsuyaku" ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/boWXhaGajMxsrrs -no subtitles, but just a propaganda-live action reenactment from the perspective of Imperial Japanese media.

[@ANJING_SITUMORANG]

Finland and Germany? Lapland War continue?

[@kepanoid]

No.

[@VladKepes]

Finland and Germany did not sign a peace treaty, but agreed in 1955 that the war was over.

[@matthewmcmacken6716]

Enter Cold War, stage left: (Dramatic Music)

[@przemyslawlib]

This smells like a special. Or pizza. Or pizza served with special episode.

[@rvds2040]

ww1 question: i know the imperial german navy could not beat the royal navy in an actual fight, but could they have done enough damage to make a blockade of germany unsustainable ?

[@Kubinda12345]

If they could've, they would've done so.

[@rvds2040]

@@Kubinda12345 well if the german government didnt think their ships were more valuable then their soldiers maybe

[@johnf7683]

No, unless the Royal Navy were completely incompetent. The best the Germans could do was a draw in the Battle of Jutland (1916), Despite doing damage to the Royal Navy, the Imperial German Navy simply wasn't big enough (the RN had almost a 2-1 advantage in heavy ships). In addition, the Germans were lucky to escape the battle, there was a real risk that the IGN would have been wiped out if the RN had acted more decisively. The German fleet suviving fleet was severely damaged and was in dry dock for several months being repaired. The UK took severe losses and Admiral Sir John Jellicoe was blamed for not getting a victory, but the Germans realized they almost lost their entire fleet. The Germans needed a bigger fleet (with more Dreadnoughts), but the UK was never going to lose that lead they had going into the war. Also, it was VERY expensive to built Dreadnoughts, and the Germans devoted more resources to their Army, while the UK spent more on their navy.

[@rvds2040]

@@johnf7683 thank you :)

[@estebancastellino3284]

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[@WorldWarTwo]

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[@donlars1]

It's quite a mess. I think that sums it up as well as it can be.

[@barrylogan2358]

Why wasn’t Russia Also blamed for escalating World War II when they invaded eastern Poland, with Germany?

[@artrickard4494]

I had the pleasure of blocking a joker the other say. He was of the oppinion that you folk treat history as a circus.

[@barrylogan2358]

Why didn’t Poland react to the million of German troops positioning themselves on their borders in the west and in the north. In enough time to repel an invasion..

[@charlesfinnigan3904]

Lansky's name tends to come up a lot when discussing the history of the FBI and CIA. Certainly looks like there was a long relationship between the mob and CIA/OSS.

[@chrissinclair4442]

You aren't even going to cover the mafia stealing Mussolini's hat, what kind of channel is this?

[@robertstojisavljevich3654]

Independent state of croatia against america

[@robviousobviously5757]

thumbs up number 665... soooo close.. lol

[@robmcelwee389]

Are planning to do US Civil War?

[@gracefulassassin6845]

Once again, Thailand is ignored. They're still going until 1946.

[@philipb2134]

Burma's current civil war has nothing to do with unending WWII.

[@merlinwizard1000]

10th, 28 September 2024

[@freetolook3727]

9th loser, 28 September 2024

[@alexamerling79]

Pretty sure the US is still fighting the CIVIL WAR lol

[@samuelbean9928]

Yep. And it is about to heat up once again

[@Khronogi]

​@@samuelbean9928I don't think so. Your average American is not the same as the vocal alienated online.

[@samuelbean9928]

@@Khronogi Well I'm not the "vocal alienated online". I'm looking forward to seeing whether some of these guys are willing to FAFO.

[@karoltakisobie6638]

South Korean historians and military often mentioned involvement of former Japanese officers in training of PRC and NK personnel before outbreak of Korean War.