Which Direct Drive Wheel Is The Best? Logitech G Pro vs Thrustmaster T818 vs Moza R9

[@TheCarDoc1]

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[@talon1706]

I wanted to get a Fanatec combo but it was always out of stock. Upgraded from a G29 to G Pro. No regrets. That was 2 years ago. Still no regrets.

[@SlammedZero]

Same here!!!

[@slaphead90]

Update - the TM T818 is going to be offered as a bundle with the SF1000 wheel, so it does technically come with a wheel now, assuming you want it.

[@TheCarDoc1]

Yes, the Ferrari edition bundle? Its actually more expensive than buying the T818 and an SF1000 seperately 😅

[@slaphead90]

@@TheCarDoc1 More expensive that buying them separately? You're kidding me? Even though I bought into Simucube last year (that hurt the wallet a bit) I'm still interested in the T818 as I have a ton of TM rims lying around including the aforementioned SF1000, which is not doing anything other than looking cool on the shelf.

[@asawyer2872]

​@Slap Head Sim Racing Coach (SRC) make a TM to USB conversion. When I first got my SC2 I couldn't afford to get a new wheel with it. I still use my 599 Alcantara wheel on the SC2 now!

[@bgdaddy42069]

@@TheCarDoc1 isnt that because it the new version of it i think so no adapter i think. great video by the way

[@MoistSlideZ]

I've had my moxa r9 for about 6 months now and absolutely love it. Leagues better than my previous t300

[@lordvenundi6874]

are the pedals compatible with the moza or you need new one? i have also ah t300

[@MoistSlideZ]

@lordvenundi6874 I have the trustmaster TLCM pedals, if you have the USB cable that came with it, it will work with the r9 no problem

[@richnick1911]

I got the G Pro a few weeks back and is my first Direct Drive Wheel. Love it and can't wait for a shifter and different wheels.

[@AverageFemboyIdiot]

G pro as a first dd wheel is a pretty bad idea considering moza is a lot better for a lot cheaper

[@jairon_2518]

Your channel has really grown in editing, quality content and depth dude. It’s clear you’re turning into a great content creator and Simracing fanatic, so congrats! Cheers from Spain 🏎

[@TheCarDoc1]

Thanks so much, I really appreciate that lovely comment! I hope I can keep bringing you awesome content 😁 thanks a lot, you’ve made my day!

[@uncleflansy5621]

I absolutely adore my G Pro wheel and pedals, and can't wait for a proper formula style wheel to come out.

[@TheCarDoc1]

You and me both!

[@edwinvandenberg3633]

Same here.

[@tommy2hott916]

Me too

[@baskroeze7217]

So do i

[@javajoe_gaming9923]

Dude i got mine 3 days ago.. couldn’t be happier with my decision!!!

[@THIS---GUY]

What a collection!! I went DD Pro base with mclaren wheel for native compatibility on Playstation, Xbox and pc. Extremely expensive in Canada

[@joelcroker6598]

Man your videos are a breath of fresh air! Super straight forward and informative, yet still entertaining. Thank you for this video, it was very helpful.

[@derodge]

Thanks!!! You are first one that I know of to do this full three base comparison!!!

[@TheFPSCENTRAL]

I have the Logitech G pro and I use it on ps5. I feel so much more immersed and in control with trueforce (GT7, ACC) than I do without it (F122). Genuinely feel disconnected from the car without it after having used it. Hopefully Logitech comes out with a formula wheel soon and f123 adds trueforce support.

[@AverageFemboyIdiot]

True force is just a gimmick

[@brimzeex4993]

I’ve spent the past two years building my rig up on the tm ecosystem just cuz of its mid range cheaper but still competitive feel which saved me lots so I think the t818 is for me, I don’t wanna have to restart with buying new wheels and whatnot.

[@shiros4ki-1]

Im sure there are adapters for your TM rig in order to add other wheels from other brands etc look it up

[@mervyoung5397]

I'm in the same position mate. I have a TM TS-XW wheelbase with SF1000 wheel and T-LCM pedals. I'd love a MOZA DD solution, but I'm too invested in TM at the moment, so the most logical path is to buy the T818 and stick with TM, however, the Moza ecosystem looks awesome too!

[@brimzeex4993]

@@mervyoung5397 if I’m being honest, if I would’ve done it different I would’ve gone moza

[@brimzeex4993]

@@shiros4ki-1I got a moza rig now 😂

[@cochorocks]

@@brimzeex4993 - Is the monza better? Im about to buy the T818 but curious on your opinion given you had both 🙏

[@bipi0785]

Shorter-"don't buy t818 for drifting" I had a t300 with both belts bearing mode(by the way I really recommend it I makes big difrence) , with all eco system from thrustmaster, so I got a t818, and first i was blown away how it works, and how good and quick the response is, but by the time I can figure it out how to set it up for drifting(99% time on sim drifting). One of the biggest problem of t818 is it smells like hot electronics after a quick session if it's intense like drifting and it's simple drivers, you just can't get It how u want it to be, with damper about(20-50%) the whell was to sponge, and without or little bit about(0-20%) it was to brutal(performance mode was the best). The biggest problem of this base(t818 for drifters) it's his constant torque, you can make it smoth like it should be with wheelcheck and lut for Assetto, but then the most of the details are gone. So you need to choose a pill. By the way flex on my with sparco wheel was very little. Soo I order moza r9 with cs steering wheel and spr pedals with load cell, I just download the moza pit house, choose drift preset, changed only force for about 3,5-4nm to make sure I'm driving all 3 wheels at exact same force, just open Assetto and drift like I was driving on this wheel all the time, it's just simply works. I linked the corners I never used to link that good. Moza just works and if u want you just can tinker the serting to your liking. Moza quality is like 2 levels above thrustmaster. Making my top 3 for the t300, t818, moza r9: sim racing 1.t818 (the best, fastest, and informative ffb) 2.moza r9(i think I can get most of it by the time I learn the pit house settings) 3.t300(just the belt driven wheel.) Drifting: 1.Moza r9 (it just works how it needs to and you can change it to your liking) 2.t300 (with bearings mode or without it's just good but the details are a little bit too late, to slow and soft) 3.t818(in other games it works better it's not as constant force or brutal like in assetto, but for me is the best sim drifting game, so the force is too constant and brutal, and after damper to spongy and slow so if you want to buy t818 for drifting just pick something else).

[@BredisGaming]

Thank you!

[@ThieoKok]

In the review of OC racing he had lots of wobble with the quick release system did you not have that with your wheelbase?

[@evellofernando9376]

Excellent work putting this video together my friend! This helped me solidify my choice -- the LogitechG Pro wheel. Cheers!

[@jamiejoy2393]

Nice to hear someone who's informed by moza not just saying moza is the best, all 3 are faultless in their own ways as you've shown, I've used the logitech and the moza and agree, moza for the price unless you're console but the true force of the logitech is just unbeatable

[@sebastianzarek7056]

Trueforce in G Pro is such a game changer what the hell. I 100% didn't think it's so good. Just WOW.

[@AverageFemboyIdiot]

lol cause it’s not that good it’s just a gimmick to make you think it feels bettee

[@oleboy4332]

Great comparison review video! Thank you!

[@TheCarDoc1]

Youre welcome!

[@AM-uk7jv]

I have the G Pro wheels and pedals and play GT7 in PSVR2. The immersion is as good as it gets for today’s technology. I can’t wait to see how things advance for sim racing in the next 5-10 years. Hopefully affordable force feedback cockpits to complete the experience.

[@seoskimi5872]

Too bad gt7 physics are lacking. Well you just can't have everything I gues

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

Same here.....its amazing and I also have a rig on four corner haptics on springs.....heaven

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

@@seoskimi5872 updated physics now ...I have no real complaints as it's not a full sim like Iracing...damn good for what it is tho

[@AverageFemboyIdiot]

Definetly not the best

[@teggsy2165]

The G Pro now has an adapter that lets you use their shifter I bought the adapter off Logitech £40 and shifter off Argos £35 had no issues at all with the Pro wheel or pedals or the software.

[@TheCarDoc1]

Yep, I didn't mention it as I felt the calibre of the G Pro was a mismatch with the original logitech shifter, which has been knocking about for many years now, and compared to similarly priced offerings, is a little too toy like.. But fair mention!

[@TheInsaiyan]

​@@TheCarDoc1 true, but as long as it works I won't replace it for something that probably gonna cost 150 or so bucks. Lmao. Unless there is a "FFB" H pattern, i can accept the toy like logi shifter😅

[@HamBawlz]

As a console gamer, I only have one choice or of these 3 and I’m gonna get it.

[@Seb-supermoto]

Is the thrust master really quick release bc u have to screw the wheel in

[@reeewhydoihavetochangethese]

g29 to moza r5 was an AMAZING upgrade. i feel like anyone NOT on direct drive, will be happy with a DD wheel regardless of which you buy. the experience is just better. i really don't like the idea of Thrustmaster having to have a screw lock the wheel on. Moza's quick disconnect feels so perfect imo. Recommending everyone without a DD wheel to consider all of your own personal wants and needs and just do your research. EVERY DD wheel will be an upgrade, so try to find which wheel offers you the most of what you want. I'm so glad to see so many brands putting out so many wheel bases, pedal sets, etc. Sim racing is truly exploding I think, and I am FOR IT. Assetto Corsa Evo should be a blast. :)

[@reeewhydoihavetochangethese]

Moza absolutely on top for budget racers, again my R5 is so nice compared to the g29. I can drift in assetto corsa, I could never get it done with the g29. Now I'm linking Klutch Kicker's in VDC/DWG cars

[@heathergreylive]

I have a G Pro and an R9. Gave the G Pro to my son because I like the unlimited rotation and ability to use aftermarket wheels on the R9. Not to mention the software is more in-depth which makes it easier to adjust for FFB-intensive games like BeamNG.

[@Greatgoku4]

You are a good father for giving your son the better wheel even if the moza has more in depth settings

[@Ali_Adam]

If you had to choose today would you buy a Moza r16 or r21 instead of an r9? or an r9 is enough in terms of ffb for you?

[@heathergreylive]

@@Ali_Adam I'm not a hardcore racer or anything so I find the R9 plenty capable of tiring out my wrists and forearms. I could see an argument being made for a more powerful wheel but I don't feel like I'm missing out in any way.

[@Ali_Adam]

@@heathergreylive Ok, Thank you very much for your answer 👍

[@luisastor9035]

This comment helps a lot because beamng is my favorite game and some one is selling me an r9 with the pro pedal and cs wheel so I might consider that, coming from a g923

[@Cwomack07]

I picked a G pro wheel and pedal set for primarily racing on PS5 and could not be happier unless it was just a little cheaper lol

[@AverageFemboyIdiot]

Fanatec is miles cheaper and a lot better

[@bigdoge]

Very good comparison video! 👍

[@TheCarDoc1]

Thanks big DOGE!

[@lukewaidmann3678]

Good review. Thankyou.

[@RadianMeasure]

to make it equal to the other two, the G Pro without PlayStation compatibility is $799usd

[@NachoRacingTV]

Great content as always!

[@TheCarDoc1]

Thank you, much appreciated :D

[@tamaz125]

a shame that logitech are not good at fostering a community and sharing what they ihave in the pipeline if anything. the dd pro is awesome and the only thing its missing is a formula rim and it would be sweet (most people only 2 rims imo)

[@TheInsaiyan]

Yeah it's also bad marketing. If Logitech would tell us and drop some hints of possible new wheel rims like a formula rim or an adapter... Waaay more people would buy it, like i could even believe it would double the sales. But since it's their first DD they probably gonna wait a bit more and see how many warranty claims they get for now before they continue development.

[@mikek2258]

Not the only thing they are missing. people that want to drift want a descent sequential shifter/h pattern, a handbrake and a round wheel.

[@RJ-cq8dd]

❤ the Pro. No experience with others though. Can't go wrong when going DD as long as you get 7nm at the bare minimum.

[@TheCarDoc1]

Absolutely 100% agree!

[@caliginousmoira8565]

so just grab a washing machine motor and stick a wheel on it.....

[@krushandbashgaming]

Nice comparison!

[@RoyalTeaLegion]

Interesting review!

[@ProstoChester]

I went with moza and I'm so happy with it in iracing

[@alexlarrea7363]

Love my G Pro man, I’ve driven Fanatec DD1 and I would say it’s close one with the slight edge to Fanatec. But again the eco system fails Logitech, fails us. Remember they never had an eco system for previous beginning wheels, unlike Thrustmaster. And honestly a Year coming up that I’ve had mine and no news about add on wheels, are there really any plans of adding an eco system? I’m not gonna hold my breath anymore. I think it’s one of the best DD wheels out there, I’m enjoying the heck out of it…it is what it is.

[@TheCarDoc1]

I havent heard any news from them at all regarding anything new. There was some speculation recently over a vague instagram post but we shall see, and I agree, it has amongst the best FFB out there!

[@dpjohnjones432]

I hate to hear that myself. Sometimes I wonder if companies like Logitech do just enough to tap into a market. But with the level of craftsmanship they put into the G Pro you would think they were ready to hit the ground running. There is much more money to be made with high end add-ons. I hope they realize that. And Logitech and somewhat Thrustmaster are the only brands that are carried by big box stores like Bestbuy and many others. Fanatec and Moza don’t have this advantage. Logitech really has a market advantage should they choose to use it.

[@FlamingCurtain]

I honestly think moza already have the best eco system, the upcoming truck wheel alone is a good reason for many, they’re the only ones who’s doing one afaik

[@Alejandro_Palomo]

thanks, dude. useful video

[@TheCarDoc1]

Glad it helped

[@Greatgoku4]

Very nice review

[@bgdaddy42069]

dope video i have been looking for a dd wheel base but i think im goin to simagic mini 10mn wheel .i like all there wheels and pedal. i already have the Q1S shifter and love it.

[@SMOKEY-Junior]

Well happy with my R9 / gs wheel

[@TheCarDoc1]

The Moza R9 is serious value for money. For most casual or even more than casual hobbyists, not looking to empty their wallet, its a good base!

[@SMOKEY-Junior]

@TheCarDoc yeah feels good sat on my TR 160 cockpit and am really enjoying the GS wheel, too. I won't be "upgrading" the base for a long time 🍻

[@villanuk2394]

another great Video.. Its such a shame Moza are not PS or Xbox compatible, still hanging on for them to do so. The Logitech with pedals £1400 give or take a few quid, would mean, i would look more at Fanatec with the GT7 bundles with load cells, around £900..

[@Greatgoku4]

The moza r9 and fanatec csl dd/ddpro are inferior when it comes to force feedback quality if you compare to logi pro wheels. T818 may also be better than the r9 and csl dd in that regard

[@TheInsaiyan]

If only Logitech would allow for an adapter to mount other steering wheels.... I would even prefer it over a 20nm VRS wheel that's way cheaper per NM. I trust Logitech to be able to get the best FFB with their very first Direct Drive wheel. But damn, being a nerd for specific niches like Oldtimers and big diameter wheels while also wanting a Formula wheel really makes this no option. And i think Logitech might have shot themselves in the foot. Not per se that they won't give u an adapter for your wheel rims and more so that they don't feed us with information of new wheel rims arriving and a new shifter maybe. In that department moza is crushing it. But moza has to crush it, Logitech is already established as a brand and can relax and do things slowly. For now.

[@Greatgoku4]

@Blip I hear you. But for me the goal was simucube but I couldn't afford it as I had to buy a gaming pc for 3 big ones, 4k 144hz screen, then the aluminum profile cockpit, tocitaa shifter, logitech driving force shifter, logitech pro adapter, logi pro wheels and pedals, handbrake, and sparco seats and ps5...so there was no room for me to push the budget to a simucube. For 1200$ wheels and pedals combo there was literally no better option...simucube with heusinkveldt pedals is something I might invest in a few years but this is the best I could find for a lower cost. So the wait for logitech shifter and formula style wheel isn't such a turn off for me...I don't mind waiting a year or so coz I know whatever they'll release will be top quality. Till then wheel and shifters I have will do perfectly for both pc and console use. I know tm moza and fanatec have the ecosystem in place already but the fanatec high-end dds need a complete refresh...the moza r21 would be a compelling choice but yet to see a vs review with logi pro coz I never use more than 8nm for any game...the quality of the force feedback is what counts. And t818 is great for performance but feels a step down from the logi. Then there's vrs, simagic etc all of whom I think are top notch but don't rate any of the ones near the logi pro budget as being better. So I feel like if we can wait for a few and enjoy what we got then I think we won't be disappointed...p.s. I never play truck games and found this wheel to be pretty good for drifting. I'm totally into the soft nappa-ish leather. And the shifter paddles are to die for...the hall effect clicks are the best I've felt out of all the wheels I tried except simucube

[@TheInsaiyan]

@@Greatgoku4 nice, will see. My goal was to only get one once i break my g29. I managed that but then also managed to solder it. Well, till it breaks again. Then definitely 🤣 Got everything else first too, the g29 is the only low end thing left on my rig.

[@Greatgoku4]

@Blip hahaha I been there...currently waiting for my g29 to be sold...been trying out different dd bases from friends and got fully committed to going for the dd upgrade....I can tell you whatever regrets I thought i would have is completely gone. The force feedback blew my freaking mind and I couldn't believe I got a simucube level quality ffb on this wheel under 11nm...also the truforce does enhance the experience in a few of the titles which simucube lacks...overall I think if you decide to switch to logi pro you'll be flying

[@alexsp7086]

The creak is actually from the wheel it self, on thrustmaster wheels its normal if you tighten all the screws on the wheel parts the creaking goes away. Its not the wheel base.

[@T6RDamo]

So if I am to just tighten up the studs that hold the wheel on, the creaking should actually stop?

[@jayd3n899]

If you could get a Fanatec csl dd and a Simagic alpha mini this comparison would be complete.

[@TheCarDoc1]

I’ve owned a Fanatec CSL DD, and comparitively i’d take a Moza R9 over it. Tier wise in terms of force feedback it’d go Logitech G Pro Thrustmaster T818 Moza R9 pips the CSL DD by having a more solid quick release and thus making FFB more reliable! If console compatibility is what you want and you don’t have a ridiculous budget a la G Pro, the CSL / GT DD is your go to option.

[@TheCarDoc1]

Thanks Nicholas 😄

[@christianvanhorn8446]

The Simagic Alpha Mini may be the best of all these bases. The wheels are pricey though, but you can get a package for less than the Thrustmaster or Logitech…

[@Veimo69]

You didn't mention anything about the degrees of turning, I do not own any of the wheels but I believe the Logitech G Pro has a limitation to it's turning at either 900 or 1080 degrees, while the Moza can keep spinning infinitely and even be used at 1800 degrees in games like ETS2 for example.

[@dylanjk5946]

also id say the r12 is a more closer comparison and its only 460 right now

[@mervyoung5397]

Great video, mate! Love your content! I'm somewhat at a cross-road now. I have a Thrustmaster TS-XW wheel with the SF1000 wheel, which I absolutely love, but I'm now contemplating an upgrade to a higher power DD setup. If I go with the T818, I can use my SF1000 wheel with it, but I'm torn between sticking with TM or going to a Moza solution, which also has an awesome ecosystem! The T818 is slightly more powerful than the Moza R9 too, so I'm leaning slightly more towards the T818, but some reviews on the T818 isn't very compelling. Thoughts?!

[@TheCarDoc1]

I liked my Thrustmaster T818 (only sold to make room for new review gear) - personally if you like using your SF1000, you can’t go wrong there. It’s either that or a MOZA FSR wheel. The moza FSR wheel is more expensive, higher quality, but I preferred the SF1000 because, its replica and looks cooler IMO. If you’re going for the MOZA R9, i’d skip it and go for the R12, because if youre wanting more power now, you’ll want more later, and IMO the R12 is the sweet spot (financial depending ofcourse) The bonus with Moza is they’re clearly dedicated to releasing new innovative gear and their stuff is good. If you didnt already have a TM product I would 100% say Moza. (But equally, you can always try it, and go back to TM if unsatisfied)

[@mervyoung5397]

@@TheCarDoc1 Great advice! Thanks, mate. You're right, the R12 would be an even better upgrade, especially with that FSR F1 style wheel! The other issue is the T818 looks really bulky in comparison to the Moza wheelbase. I want to be able to put my wheelbase behind my monitor. I don't think I'd be able to do that with the T818 judging by the size of it. The Moza would be perfect as it's not a bulky wheelbase and the length of the steering wheel shaft would allow me to hide the wheelbase behind my center screen. Decisions, decisions, decisions! LOL!

[@publiodavid]

Between the Moza R9 and Thrustmaster T818, which one was better when driving iRacing's W13?

[@TheCarDoc1]

T818 in my opinion :)

[@hughxthexhand]

Before I start watching I'll comment. Having owned 2 of the tree, Logitech Pro and moza. I chose the Logitech, truforce is no gimick. Edit: I totally agree. Also I would put the Thrustmaster at the bottom of any list purely because of reliability, although I don't have the T818 yet I've had multiple Thrustmaster products fail

[@rdeh1678]

I am hoping thrustmaster comes out with a console dd soon i have alot of their stuff but really considering the logitech pro

[@GodrixXx]

I'm looking for my first DD wheel (or wheel ever) and the compatibility with both Xbox and PS + PC is very importante, from what I've understood, Logitech G Pro is compatible with Xbox OR PS, but can be compatible with both if we buy the compatible missing wheel, which is not possible right now as Logitech is not selling wheels separately yet, I hope this information is true

[@Nisse977]

Nice review :) I have an old 270deg Logitech Momo Force (the red one with real leather wheel) that I got 20 years ago 😅 I tried drifting with it in Assetto Corsa, and of course it dit not work out great haha! I am now thinking about what to buy instead. I do not have a simrig, just tablemounting. I have a PC and a PS5. A T300 RS GT is 399$ on sale right now, Fanatec DD pro is 1050$ and a Logitech G with pedals is about 1578$ in my country... So I think the T300 RS GT is the way to go for me right now. Many sim racers say it is one of the best entery level wheels to go for.

[@ChongolioPR]

I ordered yesterday the G Pro with pedals for 1080

[@travislohneis224]

I’m so undecided because I have all thrustmaster stuff and love my rim but the thrustmaster DD is a little expensive

[@Leon83858]

*Before watching: Clearly Moza* because: -not huge -best QR on the market rn -not extremly overpriced -not made out of plastik -mounting compatible with most rigs *After watching* i dont se any reason why someone suld buy the Gpro for that price and for console users the is also fanatec with a huuge eco system, Thrustmasters "QR" still isnt that quick and for the time moza exists they re already puting a lot of preasure on fanatec but i still prefer fanatec because of that huge ecosystem, fanalab and the on the fly adjustments

[@TheInsaiyan]

Videos getting more frequent? Ur channels seems to grow to a very good sim racing channel, especially for quick reviews that aren't just basic but straight to the important points.

[@heddshot87]

How the F@!# do you only have 10k subs?! I wont have time for all of it but I've seen you many times before, you're brilliant!! Have my sub, bro. You friends with Glarses from before the collab btw? You both are so funny 😊

[@TheCarDoc1]

Thanks a lot 😃 I appreciate the awesome feedback! Yep, me and Glarses go way back!

[@southy238]

You clearly got mixed up between your Logitech and Thrustmaster in the conclusion! Had to rewatch it a lot to decipher what you were recommending. Also drunk, so I could have worked it out sooner.

[@aethersuperfluid]

Thrustmaster definitely needs to bring a DD base to consoles! Then it will be a matter of switching only the base 🙌

[@ElliotMarkussen]

Can you make a video where you also include the csl dd?

[@SuperDixie.]

I used the t818 and the moza r12. And i personally like the trustmaster more that unfiltered rawness is just something that feels great. Edit: trustmaster has the best game support

[@EvilSquall4VA]

Have you emailed the feedback to Logitech and let them know that we would like them to release a new formula style wheel rim? How do we make them notice that we are waiting for it or get their attention?

[@BimmerDudeXi]

All you're missing is a fanatec csldd/gtdd pro to compete the entry level set up comparison.

[@CrappyCanadianContent]

honestly the csl dd and gt dd pro cant be compared to these. They have a crappy quick release and the quality of the ffb is miles behind moza's budget products. Now when it comes to high nm fanatec slays, but in my opinion the budget king is moza.

[@Greatgoku4]

​@That Canadian Kid no the high torque dd and dd2 has torque spike issues. They just need a line up refresh...csl dd and dd pro are a safer choice for fanatec considering prices rn....but csl dd and dd pro are inferior products compared to logi pro, t818 and r9

[@CrappyCanadianContent]

@@Greatgoku4 I definitely agree. Actually when it comes to high torque I much prefer Sim magic.

[@Jirujdaa._.]

can i fit thrustmaster formula wheel on moza

[@weswheel4834]

Only having 1 wheel available for the Logitech is a good thing! (Saves me money on buying other wheels...). And it isn't a bad wheel.

[@kenbarthSimAV8tor]

Since I already have two T300 bases and the SF1000 wheel rim and the Evo Alcanterra wheel rim so I will choose the Thrustmaster T618 in the future eh!

[@TheCarDoc1]

100% yes. I think you should! Saves you the headache of going to a new ecosystem and the T818 feels really nice!

[@desa1149]

Is it possible to start sim racing without pedals? I was thinking of buying the R9 dd + wheels then add a good set of pedals later on. My other option is buy the R5 bundle but I heard the pedals don't simulate a real car experience.

[@TheCarDoc1]

Without pedals completely…not impossible but mot desirable. A very very cheap set of pedals is better than nothing 😊

[@Jabbawock1972]

if you want to play on Console...Trustmaster or Logitech...but on PC Moza all day... Logitech costs 1.2k € with a Wheel with only few buttons...Moza + GS Wheel offers you a GT Wheel with tons of Buttons and Rotary encoders for 1k €

[@gregthomas6637]

Bro help me out please ! If you will be a totally beginner at the hobby, you always loved to drive and love to play driving games (NFS, forza, dirt rally etc..), but you never thinked to be a competition gamer os something how you start this hobby ? Would you buy a belt driven system or saving some time and starting with a DD system ?

[@wwjnz9263]

You still have to put a screw in the Thrustmaster QR? What the heck???

[@Chuuchuu0]

Hello and help 😊 😢 I have the ts wx I love eco system just very sad for one I always find the wheel will come loose and secondly using it on desk is hard work .. I was hoping the t818 was going to be able to use with PS5 .. so I think to try and use the brook rasulation 2 ... Your advice pls as at the moment I sad and rarely use my tswx I feel like selling it .. I the tclm pedals of thrust master and the th8 gate shifter so for me would be pointless for the Logitech I have used g920 and g923 and simplicity was great ...

[@Jamic9]

Very good video.

[@TheCarDoc1]

Thank you very much! Glad you liked it :)

[@billynolanjr2266]

I have to ask ! Is the T818 that much better than the TS -XW?? I mean is it worth it ? Because I love my TS -XW and the FFB seems good enough , what. I missing that will justify me getting the T818 ?? One plus is I already have TM wheels so it makes sense , I just don't want to be let down and say it's no big deal or change ! Thanks

[@Greatgoku4]

It is worth it...dd is the upgrade we all needed

[@Steezy93]

I need advice please guys should i go for the Fanatec CSL DD 5nm without loadcell pedals, Thrustmaster T300 ferrari 599x evo edition, or Thrustmaster T248? Thanks I will read all responses. I have never owned a wheel and im super into racing games. My budget is about £400/$500/€460

[@karimeid7975]

Honestly based on my experience and what's in the market right now, Moza is in a really really good place. Like for entry level the R5 bundle just takes the cake for $ per feature, the R9 is a decent mid level upgrade from any entry level rig like a Logitech or a thrust matter, however they're lacking in the top range which honestly if you're going for the top range I wouldn't consider moza, Logitech, or thrustmaster. This is what's confusing me about the new thrust master and Logitech rigs and pricing range, considering there's also fanatec DD in the race. Edit: I think the only reason you'd consider logitech or thrustmaster over moza right now is the console compatibility.

[@darrenmarshall1367]

In Canada I just got the Logitech dd pro and pro pedals I looked at moza r9 as a comparable Moza r9 with wheel is $1,000 Logitech ddpro with wheel is $1,300 Main difference is console compatibility and the extra 2 nm of force as well as gaining true force But the big kicker for me is that I ordered it and it was at my door in 3 days, moza was at least a month wait. And with post purchase support I can feel assured Logitech will help me out if needed, not saying Moza won’t but the brand just doesn’t carry the same consumer market weight. The pricing for both kits with the crp pedals for moza was near identical.

[@TheInsaiyan]

​@@darrenmarshall1367 yeah for shipping and assurance if ur product arriving Logitech is the better option. And waiting time is not to be ignored. My issues are the steering wheels. Logitech seems to have a good quick release system but obviously won't sell you the rim end of it for you to mount your own rims on it. Especially for old timers and vintage race cars I like to use the larger diameter rims. Or simply different rims like a formula rim. This makes it a no buy for me even when technically that 30cm wheel with the paddle shifter should be decent for driving almost anything in sim.

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

The Logitech 11 peak. T818 10nm constant, so that would probably make them pretty even I would assume

[@Niki_Nielsen]

I have a complete non-dd Thrustmaster setup with mods etc. But chose a CSL DD as an upgrade to direct drive, because of no available t818 units. I really wanted th TM and an SF1000 wheel, but it could be years from now - who knows ?

[@petersk8]

im interested on PC/PS5 - are my only dd options Logitech and Fanatec? When will moza be console compatible?

[@TheCarDoc1]

Pretty much atm! CSLDD, DD1 Podium and Logitech G pro! Moza has not hinted at any kind of timeline just yet

[@erickim828]

Is that the NLR F-Gt Elite Lite Ford GT edition? Wondering if there is any flex when mounting a 10nm+ DD on it. Also, what pedals are you using? My apologies in advance; I don’t have Instagram to get answers to these questions 😅

[@deagt3388]

Doc, how does it hurt when you drill holes? ;-)

[@TheCarDoc1]

LMAO bro

[@Dave062YT]

If you race on console and pc there is no choice here but for me my Logitech G pro is easily the best anyway .

[@steve196134]

I have moza r9 with vs v2 and gs v2 and I like it

[@Two49]

I'll be sticking with my Fanatec thanks

[@CrappyCanadianContent]

Yeah stick with that crappy quick release on budget models💀

[@Greatgoku4]

Good wheel but inferior to the ones in this video.

[@meloxiang5931]

I just want to play sim on ps5 for gt7 for now, ordered g pro wheel, then I found out I cant use manual shifter on the conslue. Now I am thinking about switching to fanatec ddpro so I can use the 1.5 shifter. Any suggestion? should I stick with g pro until it release the shifter??

[@Greatgoku4]

Yes logitech released a pro adapter to use your logitech driving for shifter with your pro wheels

[@n9ne]

G PRO works with all games and platforms and its build quality is as good as it's ever going to get so there's your clear winner if you care about an overall package without being a snob about certain areas like the fact that it has plastic components even though super cars in real life use plastic components and no one complaints about that or the size even though it's not even noticeable whilst playing. It's also a logitech product so you'll be able to resell it almost instantly if you have to.

[@monterriomcfarlin4628]

I’m torn In between the csl dd and the t818 can’t decide 😢 don’t want to buy one and then wish I had the other

[@TheCarDoc1]

T818 hands down. Ive owned a CSL DD and the T818 is much better FFB 😁

[@richysracing9524]

I been trying to get a moza r12 but can't get one in the uk atm

[@thomaswyatt199]

If I didn't have a good pc and only a console than I would go with the logitech g pro wheel it has a good qr with little to no flex and It's only a matter of time before they release more wheels etc to go with it. The price has already drop on it and will probably go lower. Thrustmaster t818 is the worst option of them all with having very limited user adjustible settings for the base and not having a wheel that is made pacifically for a direct drive wheel base I tried it with a standard t300 rim and it was flex city. Moza is good value and they have alot in there eco system to upgrade to latter on. Simagic I feel has the highest quality products at a bit higher price. But they seem very hard to deal with as many youtubers have had isssues dealing with them and no long will review there products where moza are doing it right getting the stuff out to as many as they can and taking that negative feedback to imporove there products which will equal more sales and it makes people who might be interested in buying any of there products feel like care about what they are making.

[@omerparlak9034]

Which is better, Logitech Pro or Moza R9?

[@Qantastic787.9]

Hey, is the thrustmaster t150 good for starters? I just bought one and it is good so far but I don't know when I should upgrade.

[@TheCarDoc1]

The T150 is a good starter wheel, the decision to upgrade will be mostly based around your budget! If you're enjoying the hobby and feeling limited by your kit (as in you've learnt to drive, and have a good handle on consistent car control) then upgrading is a good idea! Again, budget is the guide..

[@Qantastic787.9]

@@TheCarDoc1 Aight thanks for the help!

[@kerryboone6344]

I'm very surprised that logitec has had the best force fedback. I think ill go with it and bet on the ecosystem growing

[@Cujobob]

Look for a 15% off coupon code. You’ll need to buy each piece separately.

[@buddy5088]

I have the Logitech g pro. I love it except for not having additional wheels. I’m going back to simucube if no additional wheels are released from Logitech soon.

[@TheCarDoc1]

It really does!

[@TheCarDoc1]

Wish I'd had that code LOL

[@TheCarDoc1]

I'll probably be saying bye to it for now to free up funds to buy and try other wheels, but I think if I was keeping it long term I'd be feeling exactly the same way.

[@MrOscarSthlm]

How do you think Moza R16 would stack up against Logitech?

[@joselastra-m7t]

is there any good bundle for ps5 at $500 or 600 I wouldn't want to upgrade it would be a one time thing

[@TheCarDoc1]

Not sure you’d be able to go direct drive for that. I’d go Thrustmaster TSXW at that price point

[@rdeh1678]

Moza is great but the feedback and textures you cannot beat the thrustmaster

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

I have the logitech...it's incredible.....but i really need a gt3 wheel for the quick release

[@TheCarDoc1]

Agreed! It's really damn good but the lack of GT3/Formula Wheel...CMON LOGITECH!

[@joshriver75]

I've got a couple months in with the Pro. It was down to Fanatec or Logitech for PS5 compatibility. I decided on the G Pro mainly because of the 11Nm thinking I would have control over FFB strength, only to find out that Polyphany chokes you off in the 3-4Nm average range regardless of what wheel you own for fear of being sued... Don't get me wrong..It is a huge improvement over my g29 but still disappointed over GT7 and I feel it is a bit overpriced.

[@CH1K3N99]

My csl DD deffo goes up to max on gt7, just as with any pc game or ffb calibration test I dunno about the logi pro, but the settings in the wheel should dictate max settings. Maybe you also have settings to have ffb set to 130% say, so it'd do more or something.

[@joshriver75]

@@CH1K3N99 I'm not saying the settings themselves can't be set to the maximum. The G-pro has a display that shows instant and average Nm force being applied. It does vary quite a bit from car to car. It may spike to 7Nm when you crash for example. But the Lamborghini Huracan is very light at 1.8-2.5Nm, while a DTM Audi will be 3.5-4.5Nm. There is a discussion on GTplanet about this issue with Podium DD1 which is obviously capable of much higher forces but is drastically limited when playing GT7. It is my understanding the last 2 physics updates made changes to force feedback outputs in an effort to keep people from injuring themselves. When I play ACC on pc it is a workout on max settings.

[@CH1K3N99]

@@joshriver75 oh that's interesting. As someone recovering from a shoulder injury and not been able to sum for a couple of weeks, fair enough I guess. Pot kettle black and all that.

[@omeee]

First bought the logitech. Great ffb but the rim is trash. Chapter Buttons and the horrible stitching were the thumbs are. Bought r9 with gs wheel instead

[@TheCarDoc1]

I think that's fair enough!!

[@D0G_CN]

more power, more forcefeedback effects... it's that simple. on my low power dd wheel i can set 8 different effects, on my high power dd wheel i can set 24 different ones. you get the most out of 15 nm and up, just saying...

[@TheCarDoc1]

I'd tend to agree, but it does depend on how big the pockets are of the person playing at what their sim racing end goal is :) Ultimately 'd recommend a person practicing more over getting high powered DD, but this hobby is all about fun and for some (like me), just like trying new things haha

[@D0G_CN]

@@TheCarDoc1 i think you have some good points. it always starts as a hobby and you are upgrading really fast compared to many others. i recommend you start looking at quality pedal set's, they actually make a bigger difference then a good wheel base does if you believe it lol a good starting point to look at is huesinkveld sprints, but going up from there is a really wild ride. shifters are also a really deep rabbit hole to get lost in, you still got plenty to discover my friend. over time i got several rigs, 2 dd's and a old t500 rs setup that isnt beeing used and is stored away for when of the main's fail's. my main rig cost me about 12k so far, i plan to add 4 dof motion to it witch would pretty much double the current price. keep trying new things, there's plenty of it lol

[@jinx20001]

There really is no replacement for power, over the last few years the trend from manufacturers has been to bring weaker and cheaper DD wheelbases to the market but they really do lack what makes a DD special. Making DD’s in a fashion to have mainstream appeal means they have started to lose the wow factor, the hardware 5 years ago was premium, high end, high power… now to appeal to the masses they are not doing what we hoped they would do which is making those high end products cheaper they are just making cheaper products with cheaper materials with low power and using the marketing that comes with the name “DD” to sell to people who think they are getting the full DD experience when they really are not. Take an R9 for example, or better still the R5… people think they have a high end DD experience for real cheap but the reality is it uses cheap ass components (lowest resolution encoder on the market currently for example at 15bit, half the resolution of even fanatec which is low by todays high end standards) hardly any power and sell it as a DD to be lapped up. Power is sorely underestimated, when you feel a high downforce formula car banking Daytona with 20nm plus it’s a whole different world of immersion you simply can’t get from 5,8,10, even 15nm wheelbases.

[@C.O.A.8K]

Please tell me you are doing a give away of either one?!!?

[@raphI_I]

The CSL DD

[@Henkkanen]

Logitech isnt really a realistic option as you cant use 3rd party wheels with it. Same goes with Thrustmaster, so Moza would be my only option.

[@JoseFcoBN]

With Thrustmaster Yes, you can use third-party steering wheels, with its adapter, but it will flex, I went from TM to Moza and the change in QR is very large, you go from a toy to a professional fit...

[@febsho9613]

@@JoseFcoBN which base u got

[@JoseFcoBN]

@@febsho9613 Moza r9,from june 2022.

[@AltmannYT]

I am very torn on which of these three to get. I was originally gonna go for the T818 since I already have a TM wheel. But there's only one shop carrying it here in Norway and they have yet to even get one in stock, been waiting almost 2 months now....and importing isn't really an option as that'd add another $300-$500. Due to the time it's taken I've started eyeing up the R9 or a secondhand G Pro, but both of them also have their cons. I love Formula racing and would really love an F1 style rim, but G pro only has the one rim it comes with and the Moza rims are so damn expensive. TM rims are cheaper, but that doesn't really matter if the base takes a million years to hit the shelves. Also not as premium as the moza ones, which I suppose is a reason for the price difference.

[@ulosttomedesigns518]

For the Moza- if you buy the ES wheel (the cheapest round wheel) you can buy a 40$ formula wheel mod from Moza that reviewers have said is pretty nice.

[@AltmannYT]

@@ulosttomedesigns518 Oh, interesting. I'll look into that, thanks!

[@jcchaconjr]

I totally agree that the biggest thing holding Logitech back is the lack of any Ecosystem. I can’t believe it’s been about a year now, and there’s really been nothing else that’s been announced. Considering that the PC/PS version could be made Xbox compatible by connecting the wheel from the PC/Xbox kit, they’re missing a Golden opportunity to sell the Xbox wheel separately for those of us who have both consoles. That being said, while I’m sure that the Pro pedals are high quality, I’m not so sure that it’s up there with the offering of the Fanatec CSP v3’s, or maybe even the Moza CRP’s. Honestly, I’m holding the line for a bit to see what Moza does for console compatibility, now that Xbox is on the table - if they end up announcing a good PS compatible base (hoping it’s based on the R12),I may go that route, otherwise, I may settle on the Fanatec DD Pro… Sorry Logitech, I’m a fan, but you had a year to build up that Ecosystem, especially after many critics brought it up during the review flurry last year. :(

[@TheCarDoc1]

Agreed, even since I made this video logitech havent even given as much as a hint as to their future! Ive been playing around with the R3 and Moza Xbox compatibility and honestly i’m sure they’ll be coming out with a PS variant soon!