Which Generation Maddog Is The Best and Which Should I Buy?

[@thereal-stl_slim]

best maddog is one with a gates belt, stretched fat tire, top end gear set, and air ride which is super simple. those were my mods. Love your channel

[@GhettoWrench]

Thanks. Did you gear up a 50? I geared up a 150, but doing a deep dive on gear up sets and what comes in these maddogs. I think all the diff Gens have diff gear sets because the tire diameters are all so different. My Gen 1 is already 13:1 final wheel ratio. Insane. Any kit I find would actually gear it down. Which may help cause I can't get above 8k RPM AND have a heavy enough roller to push out the big variator.

[@ZCRAIZED1]

​@@GhettoWrench Have you already modified the engine to make more power to go about 8k and it won't do it because of the final drive or has it not been modified so not enough power to get above 8k?

[@thereal-stl_slim]

@@GhettoWrench geared up a 50. It only hit mid 40s but I loved to cruise STL. Starting a turbo R7 build

[@GhettoWrench]

@ZCRAIZED1 both I guess. I modified it till the RPMS could go high as I want. Then I geared it up. Now I geared it up too much for the power I have. So I have geared it back down (the white 50cc)

[@GhettoWrench]

@thereal-stl_slim ya it effort sure rides super nice geared up. Once I hit my "top speed" for bragging rights, I usually gear the bike up and make it more pleasant to cruise on. The high RPMs are annoying

[@nicskeptic]

So much info. I have a lot of learning to do for sure.

[@nicskeptic]

I cant seem to find the wire harness for the PMZ150-22, will the PMZ150-19 or PMZ50-19 work??

[@GhettoWrench]

All these Chinese scooters almost share the same wiring harness. They are simple enough you could build your own if you started from another one. Any GY6 harness would have the correct plugs. Just may to be lengthened some

[@nicskeptic]

@@GhettoWrench Definitely look like it would be easy to make one, especially having and old one to compare to a long the way. I'm still studding the AC/DC differences on these bikes

[@GhettoWrench]

@nicskeptic only real dif is this. AC; stator feeds power into CDI and the blue wire triggers the CDI to release that power to the coil. AC system can run with dead or no battery. DC: battery feeds power to CDI and blue trigger wire from stator tells CDI to release power to coil. Stator charges battery to keep it from dying since it is firing your plug.

[@j8k3th3gr8]

I have actually done a slight modification to my gen 5- I put a 205/30-14 golf cart tire onto the rear tire- took the old crappy shock that was already broken- discovered this after I took it off- so I ended up putting a 350mm shock on the rear.....ask me hoe I did that without the shock rubbing the tire and the tire just rubbing against everything else- it can be done- and it made my ride wayyyyy better- I'm almost 300lbs and 6ft5- but, man, I'm about to use that ghetto wrench fuel pump idea- I'll let you know how it goes. I have one question- there are several "super transmission kits" on the market- in your opinion, what is the best and most dramatic as far as performance? Can you order parts feom ali and other places, and piece one of those clutch variator kits together for cheaper or is it best just to go with the NYC kit? I actually had one of those kits bit someone broke into my camper trailer and stole it while I was at work- so I never got to see how well it performed. Please write me back- I could use more pointers as I am planning to do several more upgrades- and all my lights quit working, my electric start, etc- and I could use some guidance. Thanks brother- love the content!

[@GhettoWrench]

@j8k3th3gr8 the electrical issue sounds like the glass tube fuse since everything died. I have a whole video on why transmission kits are a scam and what individual parts to buy. I like shopping on NCYSTORE.COM because they have the best descriptions and compatibility of the parts. Beware of the clutch springs that engage at higher rpm like blue and red. At your weight especially you will end up with more clutch slippage and it will overheat like crazy. The only thing that will make a diff is a larger variator and playing with different size roller weights. Both cheap to buy. You need to have power and be making RPM like 9000 to go up in variator size and then longer 842 belt or you will just lug down the motor as it will be geared too high and you will end up slower.

[@crpc_rpcga]

Do you have any that you’ve done custom work on for sale? Thanks.

[@GhettoWrench]

@crpc_rpcga not really, but everything is for sale. LOL. You live in florida?

[@kevinowens191]

Lots of great info, thanks. So I have a gen 4 150cc and I want to put a gen 5 exhaust on it. Do you know where I could find one ?

[@GhettoWrench]

Good luck. Stay on ebay and the forums. I have seen them pop up. I don't even know if you can order a new one. May try Alan at Cajun Maddogs and see if he can hook you up

[@kevinowens191]

@@GhettoWrench Thanks for the info !!

[@ManuelGutierrez-be1ci]

Try Cajun maddogs they sell parts for maddog scooters.

[@kevinowens191]

@@ManuelGutierrez-be1ci will do, thank you !!

[@PhlaymzTV]

How would you go about increasing the weight capacity on these? I like em, but I'm over the capacity.

[@GhettoWrench]

@PhlaymzTV they are pretty strong. The stock rear shock on the Gen 4 and 5 is so stiff even heavy guys don't squish them. The forks are plenty strong as they are 31mm and not 27mm like others. I see like of big guys riding these. Get a 150 tho just for more power.

[@PhlaymzTV]

@@GhettoWrench how big we talking? Lol

[@GhettoWrench]

@@PhlaymzTV idk like 350ish. I'm not even sure what it says weight capacity is.

[@PhlaymzTV]

@@GhettoWrench the site says 240~

[@GhettoWrench]

@PhlaymzTV oh damn. Ya we all pushing that limit. LOL

[@wesmadebuilds681]

Some states make you ride 50cc and below in the bike lane. I couldn’t imagine doing that.

[@GhettoWrench]

OMG... that's funny as shit but I would be pissed if I was one of those spandex wearing serious bike people. I like passing them uphill on my Levo ebike. Pisses em off.

[@DustySteel]

“Just Add Ego And Go!”🤣🤣

[@ManuelGutierrez-be1ci]

My maddog is a gen 5 with the 14 inch wheels and the front disc brake is on the left which I don't like. My other scooter has 12 inch wheels and the front disc brake is on the right side. I like both scooters but I originally bought the 150cc as a parts scooter. It was crashed so the steering tube is bent.

[@GhettoWrench]

@ManuelGutierrez-be1ci weird.. the left is the "normal" side though. I like the caliper behind the fork.

[@ManuelGutierrez-be1ci]

I have 2 of these almost the same. One is the maddog and the other is a jintao or something like that. The motors look the same except the maddog is a 50cc and the other is a 150cc. I want to swap the motors. I wanted to get my maddog scooter inspected before I do the swap just so it's registered as a 50cc not as a 150cc I can swap the motors and everything else I need to.

[@GhettoWrench]

@ManuelGutierrez-be1ci that's a good plan. Keep it titled as a 50cc

[@nicskeptic]

It looks like wheels/tires exhaust and front forks are the major difference between Gen 4 and gen 5. Will a 14" gen 5 rear wheel fit a Gen 4 vise versa?

[@GhettoWrench]

@nicskeptic if you get the hub also it will. The hubs the wheel bolts to are all different.

[@nicskeptic]

@@GhettoWrench What about swapping the front wheels from model to model?

[@GhettoWrench]

@nicskeptic frtront wheels all fit all except 1 issue. The Gen 5 is 14" so the Gen 5 forks have less travel or else it will hit the frame. So putting the Gen 5 wheel on the other 2 two appears to fit fine until you hit the brakes or a bump then it hits the frame.

[@nicskeptic]

@@GhettoWrench makes sense. I only ask because I saw the front fork fiasco with the Gen 5. So I wondered if I can't get the ruckus dio kit to work out, maybe a 10" wheel would let me use any forks, even gen 4 forks.

[@GhettoWrench]

@@nicskeptic should be able to use any fork with the 12" wheel

[@Volibarreto]

Hey! I am struggling to remove the exhaust bracket! Any tips/trcks?

[@ZCRAIZED1]

Are you speaking of the bracket that the muffler bolts onto? What generation do you have? The 1st generation is completely different that the 4th and 5th.

[@GhettoWrench]

@Volibarreto there is a big clip in that hole. Like a snap ring. It needs to come out before it will slide off

[@ZCRAIZED1]

​I'm going to be taking the exhaust off the generation 1 when it gets here. I am not aware of a clip that looks like a snap ring. Where is that clip?

[@GhettoWrench]

@ZCRAIZED1 on that right swingarm hole the axle is in. Pop the plastic cap off. I am pretty sure there is a snap ring in there but ...... maybe not. Can't remember. But look for one if it does not slide right off.

[@ZCRAIZED1]

​@@GhettoWrench Thank you, I understand what it is now. It's been at least two weeks and the guy at Cajun Maddog still doesn't know if the bike has shipped or not. Quite strange for a shipping company to not pick up freight for two weeks. Who knows, maybe they are backed up.

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

Great video

[@GhettoWrench]

Thanks

[@ThePitProductions]

So how about like the straightness of mounts and brackets and so on, weld quality and all that.

[@wesmadebuilds681]

I showed their welds to my local welder. He said the rig they use makes the ugliest welds known to man but are extremely strong! He said he would trust one of their no problem, just looks like a goose 🪿 took a big dump on your scooter.

[@GhettoWrench]

You don't want to know. LOL. Those 12 year old kids can out weld me, but they don't have T Squares in their budget.

[@ThePitProductions]

@@GhettoWrench By gen1 is crazy not symmetrical. It's like whatever it's in the jig, it must be good. weld it.

[@ThePitProductions]

@@GhettoWrench hows the burgie going? kzbin.infoD4LiZCutW54

[@GhettoWrench]

@ThePitProductions that's a fact. The plate should be welded 6.5mm right to center with the 6.5mm right wheel, but they welded it 6.5mm left. WTF. I font think they have a jig. Just some kids eyeballing it.

[@christiangalindo1376]

What to buy my gen 4 150cc?

[@GhettoWrench]

@@christiangalindo1376 no way. I have too many already. LOL

[@ahsfla]

now i want to buy a mad dog

[@GhettoWrench]

Do it! You can cuss me out later. LOL

[@davidlockwood8703]

I run a. Gen 5 dawg. 50cc. I tweak on it. It rides. Soft

[@cheez_itzz]

I just got one man I’m hyped on it working on getting my m1 license in California so I can cruise in the street

[@davidlockwood8703]

I got a. 185 tire. Nice an fat

[@Smodlee]

Which madddog sells new for $1,100?? Let me know

[@GhettoWrench]

@@Smodlee the cheapest one is that white 50cc. $1475.

[@ZCRAIZED1]

@Smodlee Cajun Maddog right now has the 150 generation 1 for 1550 to your door.

[@nicolatesla2315]

Your video it needs more likes. - needs more cowbell

[@leonardarola]

Gen z is a facking joke, how dare you even consider ask something like this....

[@GhettoWrench]

🤣

[@comatose3788]

#1 Don't buy a 50 they are far too slow. #2 Don't buy these things at all, they just brake down every year and cost more than they are worth. Some airhead will now tell me how if you're a mechanic you can keep it rolling ... well I'm not a mechanic and it ridiculous to think people should have to be to keep a bike rolling. Also replacing parts is about all you do. Pretty hard to call that being a mechanic. May as well buy a dozen carburetors along with it. Got to love the pot metal rod front end also.

[@smokeybear390]

Wow so it's like buying the cheap one has downsides? This is actually crazy cause somebody once said "if it's too good to be true it probably is" this scooter costs half what a ruckus does but requires some tinkering? What a pile, what a joke

[@comatose3788]

@@smokeybear390 The 50 is a joke ... You want to die, head out in traffic with no power to get away from danger. To get rolling up to from a start slowly to 40 about takes every trick and it's not going to last long. These things at this speed work by running wide open, with you controlling how much power is not being bypassed. Nothing can last running like that. Then there is a problem with fuel .. they need way better than premium gas with higher octane. This gas is standard where these bikes come from, this is not the case in the US. Even with octane boosters and premium gas your bound to hit a fill that isn't up to par. Dirty gas at all is huge to these things counting watered down. The carburetor is junk, meant to be replaced vs repaired. The entire scooter has this same design. Wouldn't be so bad if the replacement wasn't at the same level of made to not last. You can replace a lot and pretty much take care of lose ends. But there are main parts they will always be a pain. I've never had a 150.. But can see how most of this would be better. I do know one thing for sure about a 50 ... Your lawnmower will out preform it with ease in every category concerning well running and especially reliable.

[@comatose3788]

@@smokeybear390 Well, I've never seen a Ruckus in my life, other than some pictures way after I got the 50. To be honest was thinking and was right .. the no insurance is great. Drove a Ninja for over a few decades, had to put the rocket down sadly. I didn't have problems in traffic with the 50, but always thought a new biker surly would. Just got tried of dumping cash into it every single year, with the same problems. I said I wasn't a mechanic but, I can change the carb in a 50 in 10 minutes. Zero2Hero. That will keep it running for about 2 to 3 months or 1 time getting caught in the rain. After that you need a new carb or go 18 mph if it starts.

[@GhettoWrench]

@comatose3788 LOL.. your sucking all the fun out. But what you say is true. 😁

[@comatose3788]

@@GhettoWrench lol, sorry. These things are like x-girlfriends. Deep down you know you still love em, but you also know they are only bad for you and your wallet..

[@sire-1213]

Neither, I'm sick of the gy6... dealing with 2 no sparks now and have replaced everything

[@seanmayo206]

I understand. These should be sold as just a frame an motor. Frames are good an motor

[@milekh6681]

He's speaking facts lol

[@ZCRAIZED1]

There isn't much to these to make them spark. I bought one that is a 170cc and not the standard gy6. I played hell trying to figure out why it wouldn't run properly. After swapping plenty of parts I figured out it was an intermittent issue, the type that makes everything harder than hell to figure out. The pick up coil or sensor, whatever that thing is called, is not sending a good signal. So after changing the coil and wiring all kinds of things better and taking off every single piece of garbage Chinese plastic that I may never get back on. I changed the carburetor and it fired right up as if everything was perfect. I thought great! Then it wouldn't start again but still has spark. What I figured out is that when it is erroring it only sparks every other time that it is supposed to. The only part I can think of that can cause that is the pick up coil on the magneto. It's an oil bath type so I have to tear it apart and find another one. No spark can only be a few things. Bag plug, bad coil, bad cdi box, bad pick up sensor or bad wiring. If Ted on this channel doesn't have a video about this there is another guy that tears one down completely. His channel is called: lab coat Paul. He does a very good job showing everything that goes wrong with these Chinese scooters.