Which in 2023? M2 Pro vs M1 Max MacBook Pro

[@AZisk]

The M2 Pro MacBook might be the best option for devs that don't need ML capabilities. There is a bit of a discount going on now: amzn.to/3HWzAvs

[@xlrn1355]

Do you think m1 max 32gb ram 1tb ssd is better or m2 pro 16gb ram 1tb ssd? (both 16 inch models)

[@mikeledger2614]

@@xlrn1355 I'm a video and sound editor. Would it be clearly better to get a MBP M1 MAX 30CPU 64RAM 4GB or a MBP M2 PRO 19CPU 32RAM 2GB????

[@super_mr_unknown]

Can you perform test battery life m2 pro and m2 max with low power mode?

[@Ian-tq4pb]

Keep these videos up! Real world development benchmarks are so important but your channel is the only one who covers it properly ☺ I’d love to see web-based technologies benchmarked. Eg IntelliJ platform, Webpack/Vite builds, etc 👍

[@AZisk]

I appreciate that!

[@RashidKhan-xg7ht]

@@AZisk hhpphhhhhhhp

[@user-zv9ux8uy1m]

and Docker

[@InstantLuc]

This is hero level content! Not all of us are video editors, many of us are devs or work in IT

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Good work!

[@var_onur]

Hello there ;)

[@AZisk]

Thanks guys!

[@pqsk]

I'm waiting for these 2 channels to do a collab video

[@AZisk]

@@pqsk That would be awesome, if Max Tech wanted a programmer's perspective on their channel, I'd be happy to contribute.

[@pqsk]

@@AZisk yes that would be awesome

[@anshrathod]

im watching this not because i want to see the comparison but only because alex is making video.

[@AZisk]

🙏

[@EternalCoders]

Me 2

[@elmedia5786]

yeah, he is cool!

[@megabub2492]

That's called worshipping and is nothing to be proud of.

[@woolfel]

I got my M2Max 38 GPU / 96G on friday and spent the weekend testing it for ML workloads. I'm psyched with what I see so far. The scaling of the GPU is better than M1Max and CreateML will use 80G of memory to train object detection model! Once Apple updates CreateML to use ANE, it should be even better for doing ML research and experiments. Definitely way cheaper than buying 2 Nvidia Tesla A100 40G which go for $9,500 each. To build a comparable windows workstation that can train models that need 80G you'd have to spend 20K.

[@juanodonnell]

how much would that cost running on cloud?

[@woolfel]

@@juanodonnell good question. I haven't kept up with the cost of A100 on AWS or Azure. A quick look on Azure and it's $27.00/hr for ND A100 series. That means after 167 hours, you'd pay for the cost of a M2Max macbook. That's roughly 7 days of training. AWS us-east 32/hr for A100 VM, so it's a bit more expensive for on-demand. My kid works as a ML engineer and each person has a A100 for training language models. The amount of training they do is a couple thousand per person /month. That is pretty typical of companies doing ML development.

[@Frank2tek]

Hey Alex. The Schwarz 2.0 improvement is way better than the M1 vs M2 improvements 😃

[@AZisk]

haha. thanks 😊

[@Frank2tek]

@@AZisk Can't wait for the M3 and Schwarz 3.0 😄

[@primax7420]

What better to pick if in my country we have the same price for M1 max 32gb 1TB or M2 pro 16gb 512gb ???

[@fhrmk]

Thats a good question id love to find out too

[@yuryregis942]

Very good content! Would a test comparison of the 3d graphics between the M1 MAX and the M2 PRO be possible? I'm in doubt if I should get 2 more CPU cores from the M2 Pro or the 13 more GPU cores from the M1 Max.

[@juandediosmartinezvallejo7670]

That finger device is the best thing I've ever seen!

[@dadthelad]

Nice, but I'd love to see the battery usage results too. A big chunk of the M2 speed increase was due to bumping up the raw clock speed, which of course increases speed, power usage, temperature, and thus battery usage. I buy my MBP for its portability, and battery life is a huge factor. So I'm curious, the M2 is faster to finish the task, but draws more power while completing the task, so which used the most overall battery drain? I suspect the M2 actually wins on this too, as some of the speed improvements are NOT due to increased clock speed. I'd love to know for sure though.

[@NistenTahiraj]

Thank you much for making this under 8min long, it’s rlly frustrating to skip reviews you want to watch just because theyre too long

[@AZisk]

original edit was 11 min, i trimmed a lot this morning

[@ellandill]

I'd interested in m2 pro base model with 6P cores and 32GB/1TB, interested if I can hear the fan on daily basis as I've seen cooling is a bit smaller. m1 max is actually a bit more expensive. Usually I've open a few intelii idea + many servers but the workload is not that big and 6P should be ok

[@danc9999]

Been finding comparison video like this! Great work! It helped me in making my buying decision..

[@AZisk]

Glad I can help.

[@JayFitNurse]

What did you land on? Because I’m between an M1 Max certified refurbished or m2 pro… M1 Max has a 10 core cpu 32 core gpu 1tb storage at $2600 or base m2 pro at $2400 both 16’ idk which to get

[@PerpetualPreponderer]

Schwarzenegger 2.0 is hands down the better upgrade compared to the m2 over the m1! It’s awesome!!! 🤩

[@AZisk]

Totally agree!

[@drreg2513]

Very nice comparison. So there is no magic just more watts, more cores and some more power. I think M1 Max/M1 pro has more power efficiency for developers and it provides more battery life.

[@RACAPE]

Watching all the videos I can. I literally have an M2 Pro 16 inch 1TB 16gb ram in my cart. Would be my first MacBook ever. I want to use it for web development(React and Angular), to learn iOS development, maybe some basic video editing( I want to start a KZbin channel about smart home stuff) and some photo editing. It will be good for at least 4-5 years?

[@Yukeake]

It'd be interesting to see an overclocked M1 with similar power/thermal tolerances to what's allowed for the M2. Obviously the M2 is incrementally "faster", but how much of that is that is due to the architecture, vs how much is due to simply brute force with allowing more power/heat to push the processor harder?

[@gabrieledibernardo8124]

Had the same thoughts. I also want to know with Apple allowing the M2 Pro processor to run hot (due to a tiny heatsink that was used - approximately 1/2 the size of the one in the M1) if this will affect the lifespan of the processor.

[@yuko4632]

Which one should i buy for the same price?

[@davidcuencaortega6249]

Hi from Spain! I really like your videos, I would like to suggest two interesting possible future videos, one is a comparation in build times every time you do a code change in a fullstack develepment, having localy the frontend, backend and database (for example using react, express and postgreSQL). The other idea is to do a direct comparation between 14 and 16 inchs with the exact same chip configuration and see a batery test, to determine if that's a significant point to take into account when buying. Thanks!

[@grenmath]

Nice video! If i choose a macbook pro m2 pro with 32go ram and 1tb ssd for mobile develoment (xcode, android, flutter) , front/back dev (nodejS, angular/react) and some dockers containers/volumes , its is enough ? I dont use all these tools same time but mobile or front/dev with docker or not. First time for me to buy a macbook pro. Ill use only 1 or 2 screens monitors connected to my macbook pro.

[@danny_the_K]

So It looks like the Pro chip is the way to go if you are paying for the hardware yourself. I am very happy with my M1 Pro base model, but if I was buying it today I’d head right for the M2 Pro base model in the 16” MBP…

[@MuhammadZahidMasruri]

I think the text on screen is more suitable if it was 2+ cores rather than 2x cores

[@AZisk]

Correct, that was an editing mistake

[@KeySimplicity]

Thanks so much for these reviews and comparisons. I just got done watching your 1 year M1 Max video and this will definitely help in settling with my purchase. Glad to see you test/show coding as well to see how they both perform!

[@withoutwroeirs]

Seems like the M2 Pro is using more power, perhaps that would cause the battery to exhaust sooner than the M1 Max when you're mobile?

[@vorkosiganhs]

Hi Alex, here in Poland, prices for the M1 Max went down about 20-30% as soon new models were released. So, with the same price you get a M2 Pro 1TB 32GB, you can get the same M1 Max, but M1 provides 32 GPU cores instead of 19 GPU in the M2 Pro. I saw other GPU tests (I kind of a gamer as well), and I decided to get the M1 Max: same price as the M2 Pro, but better for gaming.

[@AZisk]

thats a good deal for last year’s models!

[@Errcyco]

I may have to get an M1 Pro cause my MacBook Air M1 has been hanging up and just freezing out. So bad I end up having to hold the power button. And I just stream video and audio 😓 I saved and bought it hoping it would last me a decade and I’m only three years in.. a bummer. When it works though.. it works great.

[@cheettaah]

Your videos are underrated!

[@AZisk]

Glad you think so!

[@MostafaAhmedAhmed81]

I want to see the M2 Pro Mac mini. Also if we can compare to older M1 MBP would be great. Some are still relying on this since it first released.

[@QuicksilverSG]

This is bunk, memory speed on the M2 Pro is HALF the speed of the M1 Max (200 Gb/sec vs 400 Gb/sec). Also, the extra two cores on the M2 Pro cpu are low-performance "efficiency" cores which matter only in cases where a huge amount of multi-tasking is required. Both M2 Pro and M1 Max chips have 8 high-performance cores, which is what really counts in video and multi-channel audio performance (M3 Pro has only 6 high-performance cores and even lower memory speed). And for A/V apps, 32GB RAM is way better than 16GB.

[@StupidFugginTiddies]

Thanks so much for running tests related to code/app building and similar projects…. Good thing to base my decision on.

[@gurugamer8632]

please do test Apple MacBook Pro 16” M2 Max 38c 32gb vs M2 Max 38c 64gb for video editors if you can test for premiere pro , Final Cut Pro , after effects, Davinci resolve. Do tests like grading , exports , rendering. Test with 8k different file formats and prores raw. I want to know if it’s worth upgrading to 64gb.

[@adrianceasar5620]

You can replace the finger with a short script syncronize with a clock NTP server :)

[@AZisk]

yeah, but would that be as fun?

[@irakandjii2496]

Well, for those folks out there that also game. The new 16" M2 Pro Max 32 gb, 1 TB runs World of Warcraft at "highest" -> 120 FPS rock solid, Elder Scrolls Online > 100 FPS. I have yet to try Warhammer III etc. Now that being said .. if you want to test fans, this is the way to go .. 747 take-off anyone .. just kidding but you will hear them! So I no longer absolutely need a gaming PC for the stuff I play the most. The economics are suspect, but might be closer than expected. (of coarse raytracing and a few other features would be absent VRR etc) . Early days but a promising start.

[@snoozeyoulose9416]

With the prices dropping for the remaining new M1 Max stocks, those wanting to also play games will get their foot in the door at an even lower price point...while such old stock remains.

[@ernofjohnyes2958]

M2 pro reached 104°C ? i wonder how the M2 max perform in this benchmark test, and its temps too

[@37royal]

I'm curious about fan speed, if we turn the fan on manually, does m2 pro chip still hits over 100°C?

[@banned_from_eating_cookies]

Interesting video. I would be interested in you running these tests while each machine has 100 Safari/Chrome tabs open at the same time.

[@z-martin]

Real time clicking system earned a new subscriber

[@logan594]

is this a 14" vs 16"? or is it just angle making one on right look larger?

[@giorgipapidze6231]

Hello , I would like to see the similar video about M2 Max and M3 Pro

[@rhadoo2004]

RN cross-platform developer here, your videos bump-up my mood level by so much :) thank you Alex!

[@AZisk]

Great to hear!

[@rhadoo2004]

@@AZisk by the way, I first got the M1 pro 16GB 512 as an upgrade to my old 16" base i7, but found the memory pressure always in the yellow even with one Android emulator on, and even redzoned when building or running tests, so I returned it and got the M1 max as it was the only one 'quickly' available with 32GB RAM. I am curious how the M2 Pro 16GB base model holds up in that respect.

[@AZisk]

@@rhadoo2004 It probably depends on your project. If you still have it, we can try it on my machines - you can contact me [e-mail]

[@rhadoo2004]

@@AZisk it's a banking project for a client, so it's a hefty (and very much private) one. Thank you for the offer! Not sure I can recommend the 16GB version for cross-platform mobile development. I did not see too much swap being used, I did not notice a real slow down, but just the 'Your computer might eventually need more RAM' with the yellow memory pressure made me think otherwise. I, at times, have to run both sim and emus at the same time and 16gb of RAM appears to be insufficient for the new architecture. It hurts to see that warning for a new M1 PRO machine :). Can you spin up something on the new M2 and run both sim and emu?

[@ThePTurtle115]

Can you do a benchmark test with the unity package you used last year on this new model?

[@johnulcer]

I’m debating between the 16in M1 Max with 32gb RAM vs a 14in m2 Pro with 16gb. Price difference is $2500 for M1 Max vs $1750 for m2 pro. Which would you choose in my shoes?

[@sujeevgomi]

I am also looking at these 2 models, any advise would really help.

[@nothingn992]

Waiting for the machine learning test comparing m2 series vs m1 series.

[@Mickthetechnerd]

I want to buy m2 pro MacBook Pro 16 inch with 32GB ram and 4TB ssd for video editing. It is going to be my first mac. Is it a good choice?

[@AZisk]

i think it’s a good machine, but depending on what kind of footage you’re editing and what software you’re using, you might just want to go for the Max and more ram. premiere and after effects are hogs. if i have a 6 track multicam im editing on my 64gb m1 max, i sometimes get drops

[@Mickthetechnerd]

@@AZisk thank you for your advice! Your video was very helpful! Keep up the great work!

[@Alex-os5co]

Awesome video - that’s quite an improvement! Thanks Alex

[@ptruskovsky]

Please compare them in parallels (geekbench, VS builds etc).

[@ianneub9796]

I would wish for the same test with the M2 Pro 12 Core 14 inch. EEEEEVERY Video on KZbin does just have the 14 inch Max model, or the 14 inch Base Model (I heard now nearly 10 times on KZbin that apple saved on the 512GB, no need to hear it again :)). But I'm (Dev like you, C#) interested in the 14 inch 12 Core Pro with 32 GB and 1TB, I think that that's the perfect Dev Sweat Spot. But noooo one one the complete KZbin planet does that model :) PS: I like your sense of humor, nerdy like we are. Keep shining!

[@pauldunecat]

It's why I bit the bullet on a Studio with M1 Max / 64gig / 32 gpu cores last year; so I won't have to buy a new machine for 5 years even if the new stuff gets faster. I'm not a flipper like some people. 🙂

[@ShredzZ]

Same here, got M1 Max 16inch mbp, I will change it maybe when they release m5 or 6

[@tarekabdel-naby9709]

which is better for video editing and running parallels in 16 inch?: m1 max 32gb OR m2 pro 16gb

[@ivanshevy]

He is back! Thanks Alex!

[@AZisk]

[@Moe32244]

We miss these videos!

[@slaviboy]

Come on Alex make Android Studio video, I want to decide whether to buy M1 Max or M2 Max

[@AaronMcAree]

Great video as always 🙌 Can you compare these two on GPU based work, say Blender, Unreal etc? And see how the battery stacks up afterwards with the pro running hotter

[@namquang93]

same thought here. I'm working on Unity3d & Unreal so I'm curious if switching to M2 could benefit my workflow.

[@Thekidisalright]

I am a beginner in programming and i just ordered the M2 MBP 14”, do you think it’s a mistake I didn’t order the 16”?

[@AZisk]

I prefer the 16", but 14" might be your thing. Depends on the reason you got it. If it's only for the price difference, then I would wait and get the 16 a bit later.

[@Thekidisalright]

@@AZisk thank you for your reply, appreciate it.

[@garynagle3093]

For me, and my old eyes, the extra screen size is worth the extra price.

[@EstonMwaura]

Experienced Android dev here, 16-inch M1 Pro with 16GB RAM has been adequate for my work. I think your purchase should be (way more than?) enough for you. It will serve you well for years to come. The 16-inch would have given you a bigger screen, better speakers, better battery... none of which are "bad" on the 14-inch per se.

[@grenmath]

@@PKperformanceEU depend what you do for programming. If at least xcode for ios dev, you need a mac/macbook else any other device can be fine while its not ios dev

[@KokkiePiet]

I just bought a 16" Macbook M1Max 10C CPU & 32C GPU and 16-Kern-Neural-Engine with 64 GB Memory for the price of an M2pro with 12‑Core CPU, 19‑Core GPU, 16‑Core Neural Engine with 16GB memory, so I think I got a pretty good deal. More GPU power, 4 time as much memory, more memory bandwith , on the other hand, less CPU and Neural engine power

[@TBKR90]

Great video mate. I'm upgrading my old MacBook (Photography & 4K Video editing) Would I be better getting an 2023 14" M2 Pro 16gb 512SSD or an M1 Pro Max 32GB 1TB 16"? They are both the same price at the moment for me in the UK.

[@besteonder]

which one you decide?

[@TBKR90]

@@besteonder I ended up paying a little extra & getting the 2023 M2 Pro Max 16” 1TB 32GB 🤩 still waiting for delivery!

[@chetwynd]

thanks for this comparison! I bought M2 Pro Mac Mini and I'm quite satisfied with the machine. after watching your video, all I regret is that maybe I should've gone for 12 cpu core instead of 10 cpu core.

[@stow8619]

M2 pro at the same price with upgrades as the studio, which would you pick?

w8 for studio, or m2 pro for now.

[@haralc]

Should put something to say which one is which .... can't make up anything after the video keep switching and jumping frames ....

[@iamjobayer_]

I ordered the base MacBook m2 pro hope this perform similar I know base version have 2 core and 3 core less gpu and cpu

[@SandorGonzalez]

Good work Alex! Now, 32 gb or 64 gb?

[@levirouse1701]

Thanks for the webkit build. One of the best real world tests. 👍

[@rebelsdeveloper367]

Real world test - 200 storyboard and scrolling .. sloooow . Compiling less i want to know

[@mrff728]

Just want to buy 2021 MBP 16“ 32 GB, m1 max, is it gone be ok for coding in next 4-5 years? Thnx. Great video, keep it coming.

[@sitanshu3472]

Considering getting the 512gb 14inch base model m2, will the difference in ssd speed make a difference in performance and longevity? I'm a software dev and hoping that the laptop lasts 5 years or more. Any advice??

[@puhgeh]

aside from the additiona cores, i think they made the heat sink smaller in the newer macbook pro that is why the temps are higher.

[@viktorkharkiff885]

Thanks! This is what I was looked for )

[@super_mr_unknown]

Can you perform test battery life m2 pro and m2 max with low power mode?

[@roushanhelmy4588]

Refurbished 16” M1 Max 24gpu 32Gb 2Tb vs 16” M2 Pro 16 Gb 2 Tb (For same price where I am). Which to go for for Logic and Occasional Video production. Please suggest anyone!

[@mellomelv]

Awesome video, just bought the macbook m2 pro 14 inch 1tb. Can’t wait to code on it.

[@AZisk]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@super_mr_unknown]

I would interested which of m1 pro or m2 pro MacBook Pro 14 will be work longer by battery?

[@marcinkowalczyk647]

good tests!

[@AZisk]

Thank you!

[@andrewjordaan2485]

Hey! Whats the specs for the M2 Pro? Just to be sure I am on the same page lol

[@Dadgrammer]

I don’t remember, that you still have mbp 2019 with i9? If you could create comparison between i9(or other intel macs) and m2 pro/max, that will be great. I think most of people that are thinking about change is that still have intelbase macs. I’m waiting for my m2 max, for net week, but a lot of people still thinking. Cheers from Poland

[@Guironey]

thxxx for thisssss

[@kpbendeguz]

So the more cpu cores with higher clock speed performs better on cpu intensive applications which doesn't benefit from more ram and gpu cores. Shocking.

[@starburg]

I'm learning English from your videos. Keep doing!

[@alexandernadem4133]

love the arnold machine

[@werf_64]

what is the program you have to check the temps?

[@AZisk]

just added it to the description

[@werf_64]

@@AZisk thanks

[@unclejayvlogs2756]

For video editing?.m2 pro or m1 max?

[@SajidAliSoftwareEngineer]

Alex your videos always interesting and informative 🤟

[@Utubeisazzho]

Great vid thanks!!

[@321brianh]

Any chance you could do a video on connecting to an Oracle DB? I've tried using Rosetta to get the Node packages to install, and I tried getting Flask and FastAPI working to have a Python backend. I didn't try Django. I'm not very strong on Python and was advised there was a steep learning curve. I tried asking those a**holes on stack overflow but you can easily fill in the blanks on how that went. Seems there's not a lot Apple Silicon Mac users that need to work with an Oracle DB. Luckily I have a solid Windows machine too but very much prefer to work on my Mac.

[@BaterdeneNmt]

So hitting 100 degree celsius for short time is not bothering me, I’m more curious about how long it takes to cook itself? Ok Apple really allows it to run hot as hell. But if 1 of my tasks takes longer than hour and constantly same tasks repeats for 5+ hours a day then how long will it last?

[@techchhaykhun7169]

Nice job!

[@AZisk]

Thanks!

[@DanielNistrean]

In my area they have the same price. Then what to choose ?! I do React development and some Unity but as a hobby.

[@andyH_England]

Great news! Despite the usual negative vibe from creators in the usual quarters, the M2 for developers looks like a better choice than upgrading to an M1 refurb or new (if you can find them) coming from ancient Intel Macs. That goes against the general recommendation from influencers, but most tests I have seen show that the M2 is better and therefore is a no-brainer if performance is your main metric. Obviously, if like me, I am not a developer, I come here for the excellent content, performance is not the main driver for purchase, I just want the bells and whistles, then saving money and getting the M1 is a good option.

[@NytronX]

Please use Dark theme. The last thing viewers wanna do is stare at a pitch white terminal. Absolutely blinding

[@lucaslahlum6331]

id really like to see m1 pro vs m2 max speed/performance comparison please!

[@joffrey6831]

What's the point of comparing 16Go of RAM vs 64Go...

[@AZisk]

that’s not what’s being compared here

[@stvnbftg]

I cant decide whether to buy an 16' Macbook Pro with the M2Pro 16RAM and 1TB or the M1Max 32c 32RAM and 1TB ? What do you guys think ?

[@nathaliamilis2332]

Im between 16' Macbook Pro with the M2Pro 32RAM and M1Max 32c 32RAM

[@andrewmosman9072]

I'm between these models as well.

[@nathaliamilis2332]

What are you going to do with the computer?

[@stvnbftg]

@@nathaliamilis2332 ordered the M1 Max

[@nathaliamilis2332]

@@stvnbftg I think the M1 with 32gb and 1T will be enough, gonna do the 14-day trial and check

[@catmagik77]

For the love of god you need to test those two in deep-learning please!!!

[@wettydolphin]

HI i had a question i cant find the reply and i dont want to throw money at a solution that wont work. Can you run visual studio and unity on a virtual windows on parrallels and use a usb cable to make android builds? Have you tried something like this before?

[@willmartin1748]

Good stuff here!

[@AZisk]

Appreciate it!

[@decky1990]

It’s amazing how many videos are on the M2 PRO - seems to be proving really popular. If anyone wants benchmark results for a full spec 16” M2 Max with 8TB, give me a shout

[@AZisk]

Hey that's a beast you've got there. Congrats!

[@decky1990]

@@AZisk it’s replacing a 2013 15” retina workhouse that I love, but I’m legit scared to use it 😂

[@AZisk]

@@decky1990 ah yes, that was my first macbook - it was a good year

[@broccoloodle]

Couldn't wait for the desktop class frequency 3.7GHz of the M2 max

[@unclechaelsneckvein]

Please compare Android studio on M1 max vs M2 max!

[@greivin01]

Good video. I would like you to try the java language, both in the M1 Max and in the M2 Pro. 🤘🏻

[@deivitsalazar1991]

Now they are the same price!! Which one should I buy?!

[@sammarayash2231]

thank you