Which is Better, Burst or Ignite? [PART 1] 4000 CP Spear/GS In-depth Test & Guide [Throne & Liberty]

[@seki_gg]

Conclusion: Burst Build- 1:41 secs Ignite Build- 1:01 secs Winner : Ignite Build

[@Cielhart]

This may now not be the case, as you'll see in the part 2 to this video!

[@seki_gg]

@Cielhart no. idc part2. Part 2 i need is pvp game play. Kek

[@Cielhart]

@@seki_gg Yep, that will be included!

[@raahide]

gale rush adds 1 stack of burst too. gale rush (1) > cyclonic fury (5+1) > culling arc + 20% dmg for 5 stacks from normal skill + additional 15% from specialization (6 to 9 stacks depending on if you crit) > brutal fury (can use two additional times after first use since your at 5+ burst stacks > slaughtering slash for 15% added dmg for each of the 6 hits and if your stack has not exploded yet additional 20% per stack of explosion dmg. burst over ignite for single and aoe all day for pve. i use precision dash for heavy atk with effect duration to maintain the heavy atk +1.5s longer to get through the first combo. not even talking about comboing skills as they come off cooldown with the crit passive and spear qblock (that cant be tested on town dummies). im still in 2/3rds blue with untraited/gemed shakal and fury warblade.im not geared enough for pvp but i do understand the reliance on javalin inferno.

[@Cielhart]

@@raahide Yes, I explain more of this in my previous video on the attack speed rotation and also the follow-up part 2 to this video if you would like to see more clarification 👍 thanks for your input though! I also use precision dash in pvp as well.

[@srculver]

Interesting point you made about buff duration affecting your attack speed buffs. Also, I like your idea of using cyclonic fury for the burst stacks with flaming arc. I'll have to try that out.

[@Shaitan808]

I was shocked to see your bars/keybinds are exactly the same as mine. Guess Im going to have to sub and follow your guide.

[@Cielhart]

Haha, that's interesting! I don't think I've met anyone who's used the exact same keybinds as me as well haha.

[@Shaitan808]

@@Cielhart I just realized we're on the same server too! Nice. Hope to see you around.

[@Azrael627]

javelin inferno explodes in aoe, best to test it on a solitary dummy like the one to your left. the explosion splash is misleading ;) great guide love the video! also for farming you also want to take out unyielding sentinel specilization and put it into javelin infernos slow specialization, you get alot of heavy attack and slow in case you have to back off a little to heal

[@Cielhart]

Hi yes, I am currently uploading a new video right now as a part 2 to this one, so be sure to check that out for an updated review! Oh and yes I agree, the Sentinel Bastion skill spec is mostly for buffing party members in co-op dungeons and party play.

[@Azrael627]

@@Cielhart can't wait for the video! Also ty for the reply :)

[@Cielhart]

@ Oh hey, it's already been uploaded!

[@fluffysoftner]

nice video, one question is on burst vs ignite, as far as single target isnt burst better? your control of the dummy is skewed with the ricochet of the Javelin compounding, without that i need you lose quite a bit of damage, but i've done no testing and would like that answered myself. I certainly feel my burst is quicker for boss/single target

[@rngesus9466]

Yeah if he did the ignite build on the single dummy to the left, it would've took a bit longer than burst due to the ricochet dmg from the other 2 dummies. Burst > ignite single target all day and you never run out of mana when fighting bosses compared to when you fight bosses with ignite. Ignite mulitple targets, burst single target.

[@Cielhart]

@@fluffysoftner This is a good point, I'll make a quick secondary follow-up video on this later when I get back home from work to test both out on a single target dummy. I'm actually not sure if there is one that's alone by itself, but I'll see if I can find one later. As for mana, I've found no mana issues fighting bosses with the gear I currently have, as quite a few of them on my DPS set have mana regen, so PVE wise I have no mana issues with Spear/GS using ignite on bosses. However I do know other classes paired up with spear struggle with mana, such as sns for example which I've tested as well, so in that case Burst may prove to be better. However as far as I know the core reasoning for Ignite being better is the flow of its cooldowns & the ability yo use Javelin Inferno when everything else is on cd.

[@wjf17]

@@Cielhart yea dps drops off a cliff with ignite build if you only have 1 dummy (no ricochet) ive tested this already

[@rngesus9466]

@@Cielhart thing is with jav inferno it's a filler you say? But when it's in its burst mode, it's in rotation and it does better dmg on single target (hitting 15 times total) it's on par with guillotine blade when you stack burst to 5. Ignite is amazing when open world dung or killing mobs before the boss. I have no mana reg what so ever on my dps set up and burst doesn't run out on me but ignite does (mainly at bosses due to the spam jav). They both do what they they intend on doing. Ignite for aoe and burst for single.

[@raahide]

for the fortitude pvp build, have you tried indomitable for +def or how viable/needed is run speed? nimble or dash passive?

[@Cielhart]

Hey guys! Part 2 has been uploaded, with arena footage!

[@Altrav4]

With your pve build, to increase cooldown are there any armour or accessories that have hit chance that you can swap out for cooldown stats? hit chance isn't to important for pve.

[@Cielhart]

Yep, this was my go-to build for both pve & pvp before I acquired the Gilded Raven set, so you can most definitely switch out the hit chance for cooldown equips. I'll see if I can figure something out later and update my Questlog builds.

[@davcaplsek]

but if you have in team bow and he use mark coldown go in high speed and you can dmg then

[@Cielhart]

@@davcaplsek Yep that's right, that's why I still use Burst when I can utilize that from my team. But if I don't have mark from bow user, I use Ignite.

[@kennethcunningham8461]

I run gs dag, my hardest heavy has been 75k x 2

[@Cielhart]

Oh nice! Was that with any buffs or food? Or just raw damage?

[@gimgimi4915]

Are u using the same Skills in Large Scale/GvG too?

[@Cielhart]

Still a work in progress, will update when I finalize it!

[@gimgimi4915]

@ and what u think about Tevent Gs or Bellandir Spear? Or both in combo

[@Cielhart]

@@gimgimi4915 I can't say for certain as I don't own any Archboss weapons, but from what I've seen so far people are still able to compete against those who do own them.

[@gimgimi4915]

@ i would say that the Bellandir Spear idt not an Option. The Tevent GS seem‘s better. Maybe im wrong… just asked whats your idea.

[@Stigmaru]

If i see a spear in arena i will go for it if there is no range

[@jaredostrander995]

Food buffs is how he gets 70k highest non food buff i have seen is 50k

[@Cielhart]

@@jaredostrander995 Thanks for clarifying! Yeah I think I reached somewhere around 45k non-food buffed yet, the food buffs just completely glossed over my head

[@alphazero3293]

All i see is wrong gears and low cp 💀

[@maklarus]

Low you do 2500.... i do 2500x2 you suck at heavy attack.

[@VicariousArc]

Misleading crappy guide

[@ButtHolePlugger5]

Crappy comment