Which Is Better: DRAGON or RIFT HERALD? - Play Like A Pro

[@CoachRogue]

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[@Bushido192]

As always, superb guide! Condensed and to the point 💪🏻💪🏻

[@clovermite]

5:32 Quick correction - the absolute worst case scenario is that the enemy team kills rift herald before it even charges, and then the jungler gets nothing off the play. I've seen it happen plenty of times in my low elo games.

[@zabrac1566]

I'm "new" to league in that I'm a returning player from 6 years ago or so and have recently got the urge to hop into League and grind a bit of ranked. At the moment I've climbed up to Gold 4 from Bronze 4 and have been OTPing Rakan. I 100% believe that in the elo I'm at, Dragon priority and stacking is much more impactful that Rift Herald because especially as someone who is NOT playing the jungle role. If I spend time setting up Herald, it takes teams so long to get around to doing it and then the jungler will often just forget he has it, or spawn in in the open where it can be killed before even crashing. Meanwhile dragon stacking is a constant and it is extremely easy to get uncontested dragons. They can even be solo'd by bot lane if you have priority. Then of course there is the situation mentioned in this video where Herald gives a player a gold advantage and often will give them to chance to roam, but instead what will happen is that player will just run down to the T2 or T3 and get caught without considering if it is safe for them to be there, throwing all advantages the team had.

[@scottsharwood9465]

Very inciteful, food for thought.

[@KevinTheCardigan]

I usually find myself doing dragon on spawn then rotating to do rift on spawn. They have offset timers so I don't know why you're starting at the 8:00 mark in base, when dragon spawned at 5:00. I don't think it's very often where players have to make a choice of either or. I definitely go for solo drakes at level 4 or 5 when I see enemy jungler on opposite side of map. Also plate gold was significantly nerfed in the latest patch. You're still showing clips from previous patches when plate gold was more significant. Herald definitely not as strong current patch compared to last simply due to the plating gold nerf. Also looking specifically at Graves gold from before and after Rift Herald seems a little odd. The plates gave 175 gold (now 125 gold) so 3 plates meant placing rift herald top earned them a net 525 Gold. You're also counting 110 gold from Graves farming golems (golems do not give this much gold anymore), 55 gold from farming shaco's clone, 200 gold from farming a cannon wave, and 200 gold from global gold timer. The herald itself only gave 525, and in the current patch would only give 375. This same play, in the current patch, without the shaco being top to give out extra gold, would result in +875 gold not +1200. Also important to note, more significant than spawning Herald, Graves, Akali, and Quinn all harassed Garen under tower, forcing him to miss 2 and a half waves. That alone, without the rift, denied about 500 gold to the enemy, at the opportunity cost of Akali not pushing for mid plates and missing mid farm. I think you're unfairly thinking the Herald created this advantage, when it was stealing the jungle, and denying the stacked wave that accounted for half of the gold difference. The herald + plates account for the other half, and significantly less by this patch. Also you should consider XP advantage not just gold. Graves full clearing would've earned the team less gold, but more xp and depending on the champion scaling for the match, it might be the better decision.

[@malevolentbun]

Yeah I was wondering where all that extra gold came from. Seems like it would be more efficient to have just kept pathing right?

[@KevinTheCardigan]

I think pathing for full clear is probably the safer decision to make at 8 mins. We don't know that shaco is low hp. If Shaco managed to recall sooner, he would've been able to contest herald as Zoe had prio when Graves started rift. It's a little easier for the blue team this game as top/mid/jg all seem to have solo kills on their matchups, but in a more even game and in the current patch, I don't think rift is the play.@@malevolentbun

[@jimadler2430]

how do u play to block someones rfit heard?

[@scrubadubchuck]

Does this change after plates nerf?

[@lukasausen]

most of the time youre only getting 2 or 3 plates so yeah? but at the same time no, youre getting only 150g less in TOTAL, so both graves and top got 1200 total would go down to 1050, wich is still a lot, also plate gold doesnt add to your bounty level so its massively op to get plates.