Which is better in a pocket gun, a .25 ACP or a .22 Long Rifle?

[@MakayuRonin]

Paul is the only guy that can inexplicably make 2014 look like 1995. I love it.

[@johnopal316]

I expected to see those three flashing circles in the upper right hand corner when it was time to change the film.

[@stepbro4978]

1985

[@alexm566]

Plot twist: These videos were all filmed in the 90s

[@corporate.security]

@@alexm566 bruh!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kathmandu1575]

The man stands tall.

[@mothman-jz8ug]

I've fired several small 25's, and found all of them - even the cheapies - to be surprisingly accurate and no problems with feeding. For a small pocket gun, they would be my first choice. Of course, we have all been told that they lack power to stop a fight. Strangely, I have never heard this from anyone who was shot with one, so I'll withhold judgement for now.

[@peternorton5648]

I recently heard a statistic from a credible LE source that said the in larger amount of murders committed in the USA in a year where a firearm is used is done with small caliber guns like these.

[@showproja]

@Miles Doyle Well now we know why they named you "Miles!"😆

[@gregoryholland6126]

@Miles Doyle Is… is this the KZbin version of that guy who stands outside of my town’s post office yelling at everyone?

[@metamorphicorder]

Ive always said this in the .25 is useless conversation, You know who isnt laughing at .25 cals? All the people dead from them.

[@eamonwright7488]

@Miles Doyle Jesus, I was wondering if my cheap Florida made .25 pocket gun was effective, instead I get a preachy Tolstoy novel. Thx King James

[@scny9142]

"...can be difficult to use" *nails bullseye on first shot*

[@shawnavalos2125]

Sean Clifford hahaha bro you had dying with this comment.

[@outthasky]

The camera guy’s frustrated sigh of disappointment after getting showered in soda was priceless

[@jacobbaldwin9707]

Priceless

[@Kamidon74]

Haha right?

[@birage9885]

With a bit of thought, carbonated water would do the same thing, without being all sticky with sugar, just air dry.

[@TheMrKlowb]

He is the camera guy - pay attention.

[@adriangonzalez7850]

@birage I think it’s because he’s got a vengeance for sugary sodas

[@xxheartbrokexx100]

I was under the impression that the .25 acp was designed to be ballistically equivalent to .22 long rifle with the reliability advantages of a centerfire cartridge, certainly appears to be the case.

[@Bristecom]

Yeah, interesting to learn that it was actually killed by the government more than anything else. Go figure...

[@Seabass1206]

appears to be the case huh… no pun intended

[@brandonman94]

"These guns are really hard to shoot, and the sights are really really hard to see. Excuse me." >holds a better group than I ever have

[@music4ever1981]

Wow, talk about a completely fair, unbiased comparison. Without a doubt, this has got to be the best comparison of handgun calibers that I've ever seen. Thank you for uploading this.

[@Shot_Gunner]

I agree!

[@a.ortega4505]

Very true paul is a go to for great information and not the usual gun expert snob that Always makes off 22 and small calibers as he tries to make a video .

[@stroys7061]

Paul Harrell is what you call a professional.

[@JeremiahAlphonsus]

I’ve been binge watching Paul’s videos for the last 24 hours. This guy is priceless. The best.

[@zd5587]

24 hours? Ha lightweight

[@subrosa4792]

I remember watching my first Paul Harrell video, it was his analysis of the FBI Miami shooting. Paul is a great teacher, and a good video maker! I would love to take one of his classes!

[@gryphon1342]

Those are rookie numbers. You gotta go higher

[@uarbor70]

Me too. And I agree he's a National Treasure. I don't think he's ever uttered a word I don't agree with. He's detail-oriented. He's experienced. And he likes to experiment

[@Dawnseeker2000]

He is quite good, isn't he?

[@bobbyquisenberry9090]

The original James Bond gun in Ian Fleming's James Bond books was a Beretta .25 before graduating to a .32 Walther PPK. A Walther PP was used in the movies! I once had a .25 Beretta, which I had no complaints about, but sold it and bought a .22 Beretta because of the cost of ammo. I put over 5,000 rounds through it with never a misfire with CCI ammo. I never really saw any difference between the .22 and the .25 either, back in the 1980 s, except the price of ammo.

[@bhartley868]

Ian Fleming was issued a .25 in WWII, and he kept it and it wound up in his estate. Listed as a Browning .25, the 1908 model with grip safety, possibly a FN , however the serial number matches a Colt 1908, .25 .

[@KageMinowara]

Ants: Praise be unto our Lord Harrell for this bounty of soda! \o/

[@Dardrum]

lmao

[@thisismagacountry1318]

They've built a statue in his honor

[@jameskhan6]

@J N Morgan voting for PPC in the next election is suicide if you're a gun owner. Don't split the vote until we get the ban undone. Erin O'Toole of CPC is def not a centrist and I recommend you check him out. However, vote as you will but if gun ownership is very high on your priority then you'll at least check him out. If you haven't already joined the CCFR, I would highly recommend that as they are fighting the ban in court and please donate to their legal campaign!

[@jameskhan6]

@J N Morgan Otoole on the CCFR channel said he would repeal the firearms act in its entirety and replace it with something more friendly to gun owners. Otoole is also against mass immigration from what I know of him. I like Mad Max but I think he would have better chances if he were in the CPC still but I think he is done with them after his leadership run.

[@diteamiciedentrate]

@J N Morgan well... the biggest ant colonies can build anthills spreading over 1 squared km. Who knows how big could be a statue if they'd put any effort into it :))

[@hammerheadfxdwg2018]

“The baby Browning has sights but they’re very difficult to use” *5 headshots between the eyes* “For practical accuracy that’s pretty good”

[@sugarnads]

Nils Valskaar yeah i laughed at that point

[@rbdavisphoto]

I'm better..When you match a 20 year USMC MstGnySgt with his .45 Colt Commander... you did something amazing.

[@edwardmyers8782]

Nils Valskaar just be glad he did not do it at 50 yards like he does snub nosed presentations

[@j.t.cooper2963]

Lmao.

[@chrismorse3862]

+J.T. Cooper who's the dead guy in your thumbnail

[@broncpal4244]

Thanks for another great vid Paul. I spent over 35 years handling firearms in law enforcement, and everything you tell us Paul, is absolutely 'spot on.' You are one of the very few utube presenters I just can't fault. One thing that was brought home to me over my working years is that in a self defense situation, providing that it is in good working order and you have the necessary skills, any gun is much better than having no gun at all. Please keep up the great vids Paul. Kindest regards.

[@andrewchristiansen8311]

8:11 camera person gets orange soda'd and you here them sigh. Like I hate you Paul.... LOL

[@epickett63]

He needs hazard pay... :-)

[@TheMrKlowb]

He is the camera guy - pay attention.

[@richardhoepfner1633]

Back for seconds. Always informative and always entertaining. Now how about .25 vs the new and improved Meat Target? Thanks again Paul.

[@littlesherlock2313]

Richard Hoepfner hopefully we can also see it with the new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop

[@wes326]

Given the reliability of quality .22 ammo in a well operating gun is probably around 99%, I'll take my chances using a .22. Also affords me the ability to practice a lot more and have more fun in general. If you are going to buy one and not shoot it much, then .25 ACP would make sense.

[@wolfewispr]

I've been shot with a .22 lr from a small pocket pistol. let me tell ya... IT HURTS A LOT!!! i was lucky and only got shot in the arm. (Bar fight where two guys were fighting and i was an innocent bystander in the bar. one pulled the pistol and fired missing his expected target and hit me in the arm) I can tell you from experience if you get shot with a .22 lr you are done. you don't want to keep advancing on someone. Pay no attention to people who have never been shot who come on youtube trying to tell you that the .22 lr is too weak for self defense. They have never been shot by any caliber firearm. so they are not speaking from expertise or experience. They have no clue unless they have been shot with that caliber. one bullet was enough for me.... nevermind getting shot more than once....

[@NotTheBomb]

Ray Davis you should watch the video of the officer who carries 145 rounds. Some people require more then one.

[@luke14fleming]

I agree that I'm probably done after getting hit by a pellet rifle but there are definitely people that wouldn't even notice. Especially if some kind of drugs are involved

[@gw1652]

Ray Davis You were not fighting and likely weren’t in fight or flight mode and weren’t overwhelmed with adrenaline so of course you felt it. When pumped up on drugs/chemicals I.e.adrenaline, it’s not the pain that stops a man, it’s literally stopping the functions of the body. Please think about different ends of the spectrum.

[@jeffrey4547]

i been shot by a 22 long rifle and drove a 66 no power steering with a 4 speed to the hospital and it took 56 min to get there it didn't hurt for about 15 min but boy did it after that but would not slow me down just u need to hit a good spot then they drop i got shot in the hand from a tweeker trying to break in are shop but he lost that battle i have a mix german shepperd and timber wolf doesn't make a sound lets just say he all most didn't make it to hospital . i just jumped in my truck and left him with the dog my friend saved his life and called the dog off

[@berrytharp1334]

I had my head blown off by a stick of dynamite. I just duct taped it back to my neck and finished my shift in the mine. Really didn't hurt unless I thought about it.

[@benschmidt9532]

Paul: “It has sights, but they can be very difficult to use.” Also Paul (one frame later): *shoots bullseye*

[@dudley5658]

The winner goes to which ever one you have on you when the need arises.

[@MrLoobu]

So .25 then because its more likely to go bang.

[@Hawk1966]

Can you imagine being the guy(s) who rent the pit shortly after Paul? "Why are there ants every!?" 😂

[@BradleyStegall]

He was using their guns. they just came to get them back.

[@Hawk1966]

@@BradleyStegall huh? What?

[@johnnybarbar7435]

@@Hawk1966 Tiny guns for tiny ants was his implication I believe.

[@Hawk1966]

@@johnnybarbar7435 my comment was simply about all the sugar from the soda jugs and oranges or grapefruits plus the bits of meat scattered about after a Paul Harrell video shoot. This must certainly draw ants as well as bees and other bugs.

[@weaintfree]

Hawk- lmao 🤣.......no kidding!

[@slowpokebr549]

Recently, there have been dozens of new videos by different You Tuber's talking about .22 for self defense. With all the social unrest, .22's have a lot of appeal to the common man. Now, almost all of those same channels repeat the old mantra about rimfire unreliability and feeding issues in .22 autos. NONE of them so much as mention .25. They blow right past it and go on to .380. Lucky Gunner at least, gets all misty eyed about .32 and the comments are full of guys lamenting that they don't load .32 hot enough. Still, the .25 gets no love. It's CENTERFIRE, thus eliminating .22 lr's greatest flaw. It feeds in auto loaders reliably. It fits in much smaller packages than even the .32. What's not to like? I bet if Kel Tec came out with a polymer .25 that held 15 rounds and fits in your pocket, they'd sell like hot cakes. If the ammo industry put any effort at ALL into it, .25 could be loaded to easily beat .22 lr ballistics. I think in today's market .25 has a lot of potential.

[@richard9436]

They have the P17. I run Aguila Super Maximum for defense and Federal high velocity for plinking. Only a few hundred rounds but zero issues to report. Can still buy .22lr

[@PetuniaIii-pd1ww]

If it goes bang on demand it is a viable option...way too folks hung up on caliber this, expansion that, capacity for the win...Madison Ave. rightfully proud of the salesmanship...rule #1 applies, have a gun...

[@cheloniamydas1200]

I always appreciate Pauls honest, unbiased, matter of fact approach in his videos. He doesn't have an agenda, he's just trying to help people make a decision

[@CaptVanO]

Chelonia Mydas He does unbiased analyses

[@BlixTheGoblin]

I can tell youre a smart guy Paul, most of the other ammo comparisons on youtube fail to see the subtle nuances that can skew results from being perfectly fair. Good job brother

[@donwolfberg8419]

Your video actually comes off as a classic educational video from the 80s, I was very surprised to learn that this video was recorded last year

[@krxwnvxk3432]

LOL!

[@Nobody-11B]

Don Wolfberg don't judge this guy is the absolute best. Informative and educational without judgment or option filled nonsense. If I had the finances to help support somebody through patreon it would be him.

[@litosave5244]

Fake news fake expert

[@kentuckyboy541]

some people are old school some are douchebags. you sir, are the latter.....

[@Satchmoeddie]

These do have that pre digital video media available to the masses, look of "professionalism" to them.

[@chasesf1]

Great vid. I’ve been in law enforcement and the security field since 2010, and I’ve seen these little mouse guns do some serious up close and personal damage. I’d recommend a Beretta 25 acp Bob Cat in 25 acp if your going the mouse gun route. If you want to use a 22, I’d go with a revolver due to questionable reliability from rim fire rounds. If one doesn’t go off, pull the trigger till it does. The 22 mag smith and Wesson 7 shot PD is a excellent choice. Just my 2 cents. Stay safe, vigilant, and protect other’s my good people✊

[@conradsenior5843]

I second that. Good advice.

[@danielleriley2796]

Shove even a little gun in someone’s guts and fife till the targets clothes jam the gun and you will have done some serious damage. So yeah I don’t want to be shot by any gun.

[@r.shanethompson7933]

Bill Jordan was asking S&W to make that gun when he wrote "No Second Place Winner" in (iirc) 1960's. It took them long enough but S&W finally got it done. If Mr.Jordan thought it was a good idea, it's damn sure good enough for me!

[@colemanbonner]

HE SAID “UM!” Ive watched nearly every PH video and today at 4:13 I heard him say “um” for the first time. This is a top-notch presenter and speaker, folks.

[@warrenharrison9490]

I noticed that too. Almost a double take moment.

[@flatophall]

It's 2016 almost 2017 and .22 ammo is running at a better price. I am so impressed with the professional quality of you videos and tests. thank you so much. It means a lot to the regular Joe out here.

[@jaycedavis4674]

flatophall .22 ammo is way to much money i used to pay 2 cents per bullet 6 years ago lol

[@RockandrollNegro]

It's back down to .5 cent a round most places. During the Obama era, you would be lucky to find it at .10 a round, so I'm not complaining.

[@InfernosReaper]

Yeah, that price surge lasting as long as it did got me out of shooting it. I sold my gun and over 1000 rounds of 22 ammo. I had plenty to shoot, but I just couldn't justify spending comparable cost per bullet to 38spec or 40S&W

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Paul is a gentleman and a scholar. American ingenuity and individualism isn't dead yet.

[@custink22]

In 2021, 22 ammo is around 20 cents a round last i checked... And it was even more expensive in 2020.

[@jdh91741]

Paul: You worked really hard at making a good presentation. Well done.

[@saibisureddo5657]

His vocal patterns and usage of syntax hasn't changed in a decade. Not even a little. Such a rock he is!

[@PastorJasonHenrichsen]

I think it comes down to this: most of us have a small collection of .22 rimfire rounds that failed to fire. But I for one can’t think of a single time I’ve had a centerfire round fail to go bang. John Browning wasn’t stupid. That was the whole point of him creating the 25. Ballistics aside, the reliability of a 25 versus a 22 alone makes most other issues a moot point.

[@xxxxxxxx183]

@Kjs you dont shoot .22 enough then. Very common to have multiple duds out of a box of .22.

[@finnl6887]

Very different experiences from mine. I have had one dud out of all the 22 I've ever fired. Even that dud wasn't a dud per se, the bullet just had issues, namely being overloaded so the casing ripped up. Just two weeks ago my buddy's 9mm had three bullets that didn't fire. Had the pin strike, just didn't fire. So it definitely happens with center fire

[@capnpicard6146]

I can count on one finger how many duds Ive had out of the tens or maybe even hundres of thousands of .22lr ive fired, but then I stay away from remington ammo so that might have something to do with it.

[@jefferyfite7122]

@@capnpicard6146 Remington Cyclone & Thunderbolt .22 LR had a reputation for being dirty, varying velocities and unreliable. Remington Standard velocity and Golden Bullet types were a lot better. PMC used to be lousy also. CCI Blazers seem to be the best of the budget .22 LR. Most of my duds I had over the year were the ones I mentioned.

[@capnpicard6146]

@@jefferyfite7122 I mostly shoot CCI mini mags and pretty much anything Federal other than American agle. Your mileage may vary but none of my .22's like AE. Ive heard aguila, lapua and elay make some pretty quality .22 but It just impossible to get in my area.

[@aronsingletary]

"The real difference is you". I think you could outshoot me even if you had a mouse gun and I was using my target pistol.

[@craigsavarese8631]

“Make sure you are shooting at the right portion of the target if you know what I mean.” Say no more... nudge, nudge, wink, wink...

[@pharmagator]

"Sometime she gies..."

[@thunkjunk]

I don't know what that means can you explain for me? I'm assuming that particular stopping power requires a more sensitive target to be effective - the face.

[@PeterGoyer]

My wife just bought a 1908 Colt .25 acp manufactured in 1927, it feeds perfectly, is easy for her to shoot and accurate at 7-10 yards. She will use it for her Concealed Carry permit this year. I am setting up reloading for the little cartridge, and it looks like a fun project.

[@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus]

That Baby Browning is quite an impressive little gun. The main thing I took away is just have a gun. And you’re more likely to have one handy if it’s tiny. Great video, as usual!

[@revmarcell6449]

I think that if I am using a revolver, the .22 is the best choice. The .22 is a very deadly round. In an auto loader the only choice is the .25.

[@andyostertag]

@Rev Marcell: the Beretta Bobcat has double strike capability. Have the 21a & 32acp Tomcat. Very nice arms for me. Fires quality ammo (Federal Auto-match, CCI mini mag on 22lr and Geco 7.65 on the Tomcat) VERY reliably

[@thisguy6525]

3:22 Fun fact: during the filming of this presentation, the range became crowded, so Paul used his magical powers to shrink down next to a normal cinder block wall.

[@rob6850]

One of many factors that can affect individual chronograph readings

[@mickeyauthement6898]

EXCELLENT Video ! First honest comparison of the two calibers in small handguns I have ever seen. Definitely sheds a different light on them. I sometimes smile to myself when I tell someone that I do own a 6.35 mm pistol and they are "impressed" yet when I tell them I also have a .25 caliber they remark about how bad that caliber is. LOL

[@chrisbrownaz]

I love .22 rifles but for pocket guns I'm on team .25 ACP.

[@Floridapirate1]

i agree, the .22 semi autos I've seen jam up often and .22 ammo is very dirty....

[@xray86delta]

I once read " Nobody wants to be shot anywhere with anything!" That fits the 25 acp, too! 😉

[@bryansimmons3723]

In a day of over blown, and I do mean over blown presentation. Paul's careful considered approach is relaxing, refreshing, and even on things I know well, and have put a great deal of thought into, Paul has a way of just adding to it. He is one of the few gun guys that I will actually rewatch videos from.

[@VMEMotor5]

Really cool to look back at your older videos. That ammo drought in 2014 is nothing compared to what we have now, 7/18/21. That said, I have a Baby Browning .25, a Beretta 21A .22 and am currently shopping for a Beretta 950 .25 even though I normally carry either a 9mm, .45, or even a revolver in .38/.357, these little pocket guns certainly have their place.

[@metalbuggy]

Yep I've kept a lil Beretta Jetfire, and a couple Bobcats since the mid 90s. After searching for 25yrs, I finally found what I've wanted, a Beretta model 20! It's the size of the Jetfire, but double action like the Bobcat. It's perfect!

[@VMEMotor5]

@@metalbuggy Very cool. I've never even seen a 20 in the flesh.

[@metalbuggy]

@@VMEMotor5, it took me 25yrs of looking! I wish Beretta would have made it longer.

[@metalbuggy]

@@davehart7943 Those lil buggers are getting rare too! I'll keep ya in mind if I see one at my LGS

[@VMEMotor5]

@@davehart7943 I did end up getting one off of Gunbroker. Very happy with it.

[@welingtonalvares]

That's a nice video to show people that .25acp is not junk, i have bought guns and i feel by hand no differences between then and i knew about the fps information you gave us, but some people keeps talking about something they don't know, in my opinion.22lr is for training and plinking, for backup and self defence .25 acp is adequate.

[@Ishmael3261]

+Tom Well Just to reference your own words about some people talking about something they don't know. I and most real gun people will tell you a .25 is NOT adequate for self defense and a .380 backup gun is much much more powerful at pretty much the same size. The .25 is not really GOOD for anything, not sure why it hasn't died yet.

[@MrWegank]

You sir, are awesome! I'm a NRA instructor and I learned a ton in your 2 videos I watched! Bravo, keep up the good work! 👍🍻

[@PaulHarrell]

Thanks. Glad you found the info useful.

[@brabhamfreaman166]

MrWegank Watch the rest. You have my word you will not be disappointed and, despite Paul's self-deprecating comments about his 'yakking', those parts are absolute gold. Guy's a natural orator and teacher.

[@97doggie]

bad sound to try and listen to

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

Only two videos? You should really be brushing up for your own students. That said, thanks for your service as an instructor.

[@OdeeOz]

I think the USCCA should hire you, or at least promote your channel. Just saying.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Even his "old" videos are still top shelf. Paul has such a way of making complicated things seem simple. And he has a wicked sense of humor. When that soda jug sprayed him, you could hear the sigh of irritation like he's thinking "of all the directions it could have sprayed, it chose me". I love this guy. And this is the most dangerous man in any room. Quiet, soft spoken, unassuming, and oh so deadly. This guy could kill you without getting angry, and *THAT* is one dangerous cat

[@r.shanethompson7933]

Paul has seen the Elephant (more than once) and came out on top. There is no substitute for that and if I'm gonna listen to someone else on this subject it's close to a requirement.

[@rmwtsou]

Your accuracy with that little .25 is amazing!

[@fiveowaf454]

One point in favor of the 25 acp is being able to get proper FMJ bullets as opposed to the plated lead found in 22. I've yet to be convinced about the lighter expanding bullets, I prefer the 50gr standard FMJ bullet from the fastest round available to give the best penetration if anything hard gets in the way of the bullet. At the close distances these little guns are meant for, 9 rounds of 25 acp from a fast firing Beretta 950. or similar are going to stop anyone, IMO, if you can hit the target as discussed in the video. No I wouldn't choose 25 acp if I knew I was heading for a fight, but sometimes a little pistol is all you can conceal, or it may be all you have left if your main carry fails or is lost in a scuffle. Those who mock 25 acp would I'm sure rather have one than nothing in a self defense situation.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

This is the first video I ever saw of his... RIP Paul.

[@johneli123456789]

It did have an 80's feel to it, I love this video. Very interesting!

[@franklinkarrass5830]

I actually look forward to your “boring” part of the videos. Perhaps I’m a bit strange, but I never fail to learn something new. Thanks Paul. 👍🏻

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

This was before Paul hated pork ribs, oranges and layers of fleece, just soda.

[@thomasbrogan8036]

RIP September 2024

[@justin_smith556]

September

[@thomasbrogan8036]

@justin_smith556 Oops, yes, Thanks. Fixed.

[@Jack-wp4eh]

Never really knew anything bout the 25acp and i remember watching this vid a couple years ago learning something new. Rewatchin it now is still informative and entertaining

[@tmp1957]

Very well made video. and as you know a small gun is better than no gun.

[@roberthardenglens9429]

BULLET PLACEMENT

[@CaptVanO]

First rule in a gun fight. “Have a gun.”

[@duanehenicke6602]

I have a buddy that carries 22 magnum in his pocket. Much better choice for pocket round.

[@jimmcgettigan1326]

Back in the late 70s a gun dealer friend recommended the 25 over the 22 because the 22s jammed more often and had much more lead build up to clean.

[@taylorwest4096]

That and centerfire primer is in general more reliable.

[@coiledsteel8344]

Taylor West - Yes! Rimfire vrs Center Fire. 19th Century had Large Calibers in Rimfire.

[@markfergerson2145]

I bo8ught one of the Ravens for giggles in the mid 70s. I may have gotten a Wednesday gun but it was clean, atleast as accurate as Paul's and never malfunctioned even with the cheap steelcased ammo.

[@testname4464]

Rimfire/rimmed cartridges in general are hell in semi-autos. Afterall, .25 ACP was designed to have the same ballistics as .22, but in a center-fire package

[@thedochannel6040]

For shure but my 22 sig with modern amo performs better than my cz 75...witch is a legend when it comes to relaybilty.

[@StanLiao]

Mr. Harrell, your talks are not boring at all!! I enjoy watching you shoot and listening to your very instructive talks. I have subscribed and look forward to watching all your other videos, past and future; and I will definitely recommend your channel to my friends. Keep up the good work!

[@jeffriley3855]

Stan Liao .

[@damienrotter491]

best video I've seen for comparison between 25 ACP and 22LR. proves both deadly at Short distances

[@jasonelliott2736]

Very well put together video with excellent points. Thank you ! I am so sick of hearing keyboard warriors with little real world experience run down the 25 APC. I carry a 1908 in a Blackhawk pocket holster daily, and with the right ammunition, feel just fine about it. Love your work, have subscribed. Keep em coming !

[@PaulHarrell]

Thanks. Filming more tomorrow.

[@1968CudaGuy]

Love these older Paul Harrell videos. Kind of a snapshot in time. Even in the six years since this video the new 22lr ammo and firearms have kept improving. When I'm going lightweight I carry a S&W M&P 22C with magazine conversions to 14rds and two additional 14rd mags.. Running CCI Stingers for carry ammo I'm happy with 43 rounds of 22lr.

[@Crazydad90]

This is my exact set up! Wasn't expecting to find this!

[@nonyabiz9487]

I would like to see 25 acp make a come back. NAA made a 25 cartridge that was really neat for a pocket pistol but thats about the only improvement of that little guy. I think 25acp is probably a better choice than 22lr for a self defense pistol mostly because of the reliability factor however the poor choice of guns chambered in 25 and some of them being quite antiquated makes me question that reliability factor hence the need for 25 acp to make a come back so we have new guns chambered in it. I can say this 22lr zips pretty fast and has a tendency to do nasty wounds with the bullet tumbling going different directions and splitting apart were as 25 and 32 acp usually just goes in the target straight and narrow.

[@CrazyPetez]

Very enlightening video, thanks. For what it’s worth, I’ve been carrying around a .25 slug in my back for 57 years. A negligent discharge into my left bicep traveled around my rib and lodged a couple of inches from my spine. Army doctors said no need to remove it, so there it sits. No lasting Ill effects.

[@wonderloaf]

6:13 Good to know if I'm having a bad day Paul can shoot a smile onto my face lol

[@d.g.n9392]

Very good comparison and demonstration. I pocket carry either a beretta 21a or a compact 9mm. I’m comfortable with each. Important is to have it with you always

[@NewbergUSA]

I like the 8 round Ruger .22 LCR (a revolver). Reliable revolver action, 8 round cylinder, lightweight, fits the hand. The reason that 22 ammo is sometimes hard to find is that EVERYONE is hording a ton of it. So buy a couple of bricks or in an apocalyptic meltdown ammo dearth make sure you have friends; they'll have 22 ammo. You won't find many folks with 25 acp but everyone will have some 22!

[@donoimdono2702]

the make and model of the gun is more important. about 18 yrs ago, my father-in-law gave me his old Lorcin .25 acp because he didn't want it anymore. lorcin was one of the "ring of fire" garbage zinc alloy manufacturers like the phoenix Paul mentioned. I took it to the desert, popped a few rounds into paper, and it seemed as though about half the holes were elongated, like Paul had in this video. what made me reluctant to keep that POS was when I shot it at one of those big old school coke bottles. I fired at about 25 feet. the bottle didn't break, and I nearly had to duck because I saw the round coming back towards me! went over my head and scared the crap out of me.

[@rodhosilyk]

Nice job; I always thought the 22 was more powerful by far, but I can see from your video it is pretty much the equal of the 25. Thanks!

[@MonstaFaas]

Excellent Presentation and I really appreciate the time and effort with sincerity that you took in making this video. Wish we had more Instructors/Presenters like you. Thank you so very much again.

[@scottishminor5911]

I've never understood the use of these pocket pistols, mostly due to lack of exposure. Now I feel more educated and might just go buy one for some plinking. Nice video.

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

+ScottishMinor before when people spoke of pistol its what they refered to,full size handgun where for army officers and the usual caliber was 30 32 or 38. but because hollywood ...everyone wanted to get the big thing up to .50 (lol) no one really is able to shoot it in real life situation,nor no one carry those....but hey look cool with friends

[@kernypnp9714]

The difference is ammo price. 50 rounds of 25 cal will cost 500 rounds of 22

[@elmateo77]

Yep ammo cost and availability is definitely a major consideration.

[@MJ-fj9yv]

RIP, Paul.

[@red9man2130]

Hi, VERY well done video comparison! Frankly I was shocked at the penetration of BOTH the .22LR and .25 ACP Hollowpoints! Most "experts" will tell you go with FMJ on both for penetration. You addressed both the Historical and practical aspects of both cartridges. The MAIN point you stressed, which in my Opinion that is most relevant in a self defense scenario with both Rounds is targeting the right area! Excellent vid thoroughly enjoyed it!

[@da8352]

For a self defense pocket pistol is better .25, it was designed specificly for a short barrel and it is more reliable, however today we have very little tiny pistols in larger calibers and also the gun laws are much more restrictive, It is not like in the 1800s when you could have a gun hidden in a purse and go legally wherever you want,today people who can carry weapons for self defense prefer a subcompact .380

[@brucegilbert1921]

da8352

[@1redrubberball]

Yes, my Ruger LCP II is my preference for concealed carry. From what I saw of .25 acp's in my lifetime, I considered them of poor quality and accuracy, thus have tended to have more respect for .22 lr. However, make no mistake, both .22 & .25 can be deadly thus deserving respect.

[@frankbutta9344]

This was the first Paul Harrell video I saw, and his calm demeanor seemed odd to me. Paul’s reasoning and presentation skills were much different than any other presenter I had seen. A couple years later, and Paul is my go to guy, and I’m a proud Patreon supporter of his channel.

[@MoabYoda]

I was messing with some .25 ammo today and looking at my S&W bodygaurd. If you made a double stack mag you could fit 17 rounds of .25 acp into a gun the same size as the Bodygaurd. 7 rounds of .380 or 18 rounds of .25 ????? I think one of our gun manufacturers should consider making a micro .25 with modern polymer and a high capacity double stack. You could make an ultra tiny gun that weighs next to nothing with a really high capacity.

[@LyleLStafford]

Rest in peace Paul, the immortal legend.

[@MikeForce111]

Imo a .22 LR in a pocket gun or "b.u.g." would be best in a revolver, I personally wouldn't be comfortable trusting my life to an autoloader in .22 which can jam up by stovepiping, failing to feed, or any of the other issues .22 has in certain semi-automatic guns.

[@russellshackleford9335]

It wasn't too long ago, but I got a used Buckmark that is actually doing very well. I had some issues with some old lead rounds I found at my dad's house (goodness only knows how old it was...he's been gone for five years and hadn't hunted in probably at least 20 before that) and had a couple jams. But I'm really impressed with the way it fires. I've had absolutely no jams since. I've been using a variety of ammo since every time I find some, I can never find it again with the exception of some CGI stuff I got at Dunham's. But everything so far has done super. I'm wary of getting more "modern" looking autoloaders, though, because of that issue with others. I'm now seriously thinking about a small .22LR revolver to carry! I've considered a .357 snub nose to match my regular 6" .357 but ammo for that is getting really hard to find around here.

[@donr416]

I had a Berreta m21a that I fired several hundred rounds through using minimal ammo. Not one issue. Wish I still had it but I loaned it to a gf and never got it back.

[@PetuniaIii-pd1ww]

@@russellshackleford9335 one of our primary carry weapons is a Taurus 942 in .22wmr (Hornady loaded)...sa/da with 8 rounds in the cylinder...totally controllable...there are also several .22lr revolvers that would fit the bill, and in double action that rare dud round could be squeezed away rapidly...our .22 autos are range toys...

[@stevemiller7433]

I have a Beretta 950B and a 21 in .25. It is a fun caliber to shoot. I have found that pistols in general are picky about .22 ammo, there is a huge variation in quality and loading with .22, not so much with .25

[@ToggBott]

My father decided to clear out his house in preparation to moving... i ended up being given my mothers old .25 ACP from QFI. as i wasnt familiar with this particular firearm i decided to do a bit of research on it and low and behold, i find a Paul Harrell video on .25 ACP. ... thanks Paul, now, let me get back to researching this pistol.

[@GlockPointer]

I have one, a true Saturday night special. It jams every other round or so. Gotta be a 10# trigger pull.

[@jonslife3533]

@@GlockPointer yeah , those vary wildly from you'll have one that'll almost never jam to one that you can't get it to run right , usually though most I've seen that are jam o matic have damaged springs or haven't been broken in , or are utterly shot from wear or factory incompetence If it feels gritty , just work the action till that feeling eases up or stops Then oil it If the springs look bent , they're typically just hardware type springs , so you can order them online and not bother with hunting down a specific replacement Just get the size , gauge and strength right If holes seemed to be weirdly shaped or oversized , and the pins are loose , go a size up on spring pins

[@BandGeek2210]

I have my GRANDFATHERS Colt .25 ….lm 56….it runs fine…l LOVE IT!

[@michaeljlangford]

Thanks, it did clear up a lot of bunk for me. Also reminds me that the 1968 law needs major amending.

[@gmcjetpilot]

You are a GOOD SHOT... that Hornady Chrono is all plastic and you are shooting far enough away and no target to risk hitting the chrono. One hit of those all (cheap) plastic Hornady Chrono struts will "go away"... Ask me how I know....

[@grafforbust]

"As you can see this gun is tiny. It has sights but they can be very difficult to use" *bullseye first try*

[@leonardosolares1540]

I always thought so but now I'm hundred percent sure...25 it's better!... thanks

[@Snookynibbles]

Though I enjoy Mr. Harrell's channel a lot, I believe he missed the two most significant factors in the comparison: 1. reliable functioning, and 2. penetration. First, the .25 acp pocket pistols are a world apart from the .22 rimfire because the .25 cycles and ignites the primer much more reliably than any .22 rimfire pocket pistol. The .25 projectile is of a smooth copper jacket offering minimal friction when chambering whereas the rimfire utilizes a dry, sticky lubricant that both creates lots of friction along accumulation of the lubricant at the mouth of the chamber. Couple this with the minimal mass of the slide coupled with a relatively weak slide spring leading to .22 rimfire pocket pistols that suffer significant failure rates to reliably cycle their ammunition. Also, the .25 acp's center fire primer fires more reliably than a rimfire primer. This is because the rimfire pocket pistols feature weak hammer springs that frequently fail to deliver an adequate dent to the rim of the cartridge case; conversely, the .25 acp primer was purpose built for the application. Second, the .25 acp delivers superior penetration than the .22 rimfire from pocket pistols. Both caliber configurations generate similar muzzle velocities, but the .25 enjoys a 20% weight advantage for greater momentum. The .25 with a copper jacket compared to the raw lead of the rimfire means the .25 is less likely to deform during penetration. This is significant since the 60 - 70 ft. lbs of energy available is quite marginal at best for reliable penetration. Any projectile expansion will only reduce that marginal penetration. For these reasons, the .25 acp pocket pistol is a better choice than the .22 rimfire; neither being a good first choice of course.

[@boomanchu2]

"This is the boring part of the video where I talk." Me: "Please continue."

[@TundeAkinyele]

Great video. I almost sold my .25 ACP Beretta thinking I had outgrown it. I'll keep it. Thanks

[@tracystevens8855]

+Tunde Akinyele knowing you have a gentleman's pistol in your inside breast pocket to slow the roll on any skulldugry makes me fell better so i hope you carry at the office to ,i secret carry a bauer 25 for 4 years at the office and i know others are to. freerange that 25 on your person.

[@dmacmillion]

I use a .32 acp as every day carry (fits right in my pocket) and it made me feel good to hear someone like you say they carry a .25 around most of the time. I'd like to see more videos about mouse guns. Keep up the good work.

[@ericsorenson6902]

Best 25acp test I've seen thanks.

[@jean-michell9945]

Aww love this one man! I’m a huge fan of any John Moses/FN design. And I’m a huge supporter of the 1903, 1905, and 1911. They are absolutely timeless, practical, reliable, and ergo, for many scenes!☝️ That 1908, has a smaller footprint than my cell phone. As you demonstrated, it can effectively put rounds downrange in a room size building straight between the eyes. 👌Great shot placement! Personal opinion one of the better fame/caliber for a SHTF scenarios. I’m no physicists or scientist, but I’ll be damn! Those carbonated bottles really do demonstrate, visually. The kinetic energy of different calibers down range, very well! Good history notes as well, I did not know about those import laws 👍👍 I use to read a lot of Jack Higgins novels, therefore attracted me to the practicality of this caliber 😉

[@AxLWake]

No love for the FN 1910/1922?

[@davesmith5092]

Somtimes I carry a 22r revolver. Doesn’t worry me.

[@fproszek]

Wouldn't it be best to pick 1 gun and 1 holster to carry every day for the rest of your life? One safety system, one point of aim, one magazine capacity etc. When SHTF you may be dazed or maced from a sneak attack or in a dark room and your familiar gun instincts may have to kick in. "Which gun did i take today, the revolver in ankle holster, the 1911 in a shoulder rig, did i set the safety or chamber a round" In nam you were given 1 gun and a year later you gave it back. Armies know.

[@TheOldGunsmith58]

the one place a 25 caliber really shines is in the long range game. calibers like 25 06 or 257 weatherby are some of the flattest shooting calibers out there and are a favorite of westen hunters for mountain top to mountain top shots. granted these are two completely different animals , i just didnt want people to get the impression that 25 was a poor caliber no matter the barrel and powder charge behind it. i researched almost a year before settling on an remington 700 in 25 06 as my long range shooter. less than half the drop of a 308 at 500 yards plus another 400 yards of range than the 308 has with a lot less recoil.

[@KBLinABQ]

Nice job, Paul. I too am a military guy and now a firearms instructor. Having just discovered the small calibers as viable self-defense options (no double entendre intended), I would appreciate a video on my latest fascination, the .32 ACP. Thanks for all the great videos!

[@paulx2777]

One other thing killed the .25: the .32ACP in small guns e.g. KelTec P32.

[@roberthardenglens9429]

bad gun.

[@gpecaut1]

Paul X Actually more like the increase in price of good 25's vs 380, and the smaller quality 380's available. Many 380's are nearly as small and light as a 22, or 25, but have even more power, and are easier to buy ammo for than 22 and no more expensive than 25. Then came the 380+P ammo. Making the 380 as powerful as a 38 special, non+P.

[@TheCrusaderRabbits]

RIP

[@presidentgateway]

Another difference--.22 small pistols are blowback, while .25 are positive extraction. That means if a .22 fails to cycle, you can't get the casing out by racking the slide. You have to hold back the slide and use a fingernail to get the shell out. A .25 can (usually) be cleared by racking the slide. In a defense situation, that is a major difference. Also, I think the nice .32 compact pistols were another factor in replacing the .25.

[@brandonnevarez8417]

You're right in the 380acp replaced 32acp and the 25acp and pretty much all pocket pistols .nowadays you're seeing these small single stack 9 mm 40s close to size as the 380s but not exact, .. but the 380 and 38 snub r my favorite for concealment. And if you can't stop an attacker with five to seven shots with any caliber let alone .38/.380 then u need some more practice

[@alexgottmituns7049]

Except if it's a Beretta. .22-.32 (tip-up barrel semiautos)

[@thatguybrody4819]

i just rack it, rack it again and it extracts the .22 shell. just let the bolt slide home again then rack.

[@peternorton5648]

Which suggests that if carrying a .22 then a small revolver is the ticket.

[@justinedse3314]

@@alexgottmituns7049 Those are some of the best pistols ever made.

[@EscapeVelo]

Your production value has improved greatly!

[@jasonsmith2435]

you Left out 25acp cases can also be reloaded, and if you own a quality gun they can be loaded fairly hot exceeding 1000 fps. European 25acp is a lot hotter then the stuff here in the US, its because the cheap guns that are made here would fly apart. so due to legal purposes we have anemic rounds.

[@PaulHarrell]

Good point. I like to compare the most common types of ammo and the video was already too long to start going into hand loading.

[@smolkafilip]

They are still expensive though, even here. I just checked online and a box of 25 ACP FMJ (only kind of 25 ACP ammo I found) costs about as much as a box of .40 hollow points.

[@jonslife3533]

Jason Smith yes , last 25 I shot I honest to god wouldn't trust hot loaded rounds in it

[@RockandrollNegro]

If you can find an older Beretta .25, they'll take hot handloads all day long. You can't do that with any of your Raven, Phoenix, Bryco/Jennings/Jiminez, or Cobra/Davis guns made out of zamak or pot metal. For current production models, I think Taurus would probably be the only option if you want to shoot handloaded .25, but you would have to worry about extraction failures.

[@rbdavisphoto]

I think the old 1908 Colt Pocket Auto would hold up. It's one solid little pistol.

[@M1ST3RHYDE]

Thank you Sir, for this video. before my grandfather passed he gave me his 1908 25 ACP. I am happy to say I have it but always wondered the type of questions that you managed to answer in your video. I will look out for the Speer gold dot ammo.

[@em1osmurf]

40 years ago, when firing a .25 RN during a robbery attempt, across the counter in a Pizza Inn restaurant, its performance was excellent. one shot did the job.

[@stevenmorris2293]

The man that dispels all gun myths 👍😊