Which Is Better? | Niche “Zero” v.s Atom 75 | Tasting Notes

[@canadian_coffe_guy4690]

Love that magnetic dosing funnel and how it fits. I just ordered one from Amazon.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

They are so amazing!

[@3548049]

Hi Dylan why my Breville Dual Boiler never gets to 9 bars like yours?

[@cybernessful]

When you flip a cup to portafilter, just shake it few times before pulling it up. That will help to break all clumps. Edit: ah, someone already told you :) Niche is indeed 63 mm burrs, but you can't compare it straight to a size of flat burrs, because a cutting surface is different between flat and conical for the same diameter.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Yeah it 100% declumps so much easier when you shake it first! Thank you again for that recommendation

[@P.D.K.960]

@@DylansHomeEspressoBar If you don't tap your dosing cup before filling in the grinds maybe you don't need any declumping with the niche....but thats only a guess. I own none of these grinders but i'm very interested in the niche. Thanks for your video! Best regards

[@EdGodoyPlana]

I ordered from Kruve a swifter to check the grind sizes etc. Have you used it to check the grind in each of the two grinder? My swifter is supposed to be arriving tomorrow. I ordered it on January 15 and has taken a month to arrive!

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

I saw these and they look amazing! I haven’t used them but definitely plan on buying when I save up some more money!

[@fernandoardilesc.6153]

I was looking for the grinders links pages and couldn’t find them. Could you post them? Thank you

[@back_to_the_bike8820]

Thank your for sharing. have you test blow-up system with Atom ?

[@esbenrasmussen4289]

You should definitely look into WDT. It could just be a wine cork with some needles stuck into it or a couple of paperclips. You use it to break up the coffee grounds in the portafilter. Because no matter how you transfer grounds into the portafilter it will never be uniformly distributed. Especially if you use that dosing cup, it will compact in different ways. The "Distributor" tool that you use, i also have one, but I stopped using mine, because it doesn't help only hurts. Check Lance Hedrick for more info....

[@BensCoffeeRants]

The non magnetic one is a better design since it doesn't go INTO the portafilter it sits on the ledge. Magnetic one might be ok depending on how low it goes into the coffee and your basket size and dose. I guess you're used to single dosing and that's why you're forgetting to weight your dose with the Eureka grinder. For tasting notes you might not get them with straight espresso it's too intense, I've heard diluting with water helps, making something like an americano. (update: Oh someone else commented that already, nice lol) 24:47 I think you created the clumps when you knocked the cup down before pouring it out, compacting the coffee in the cup, I never noticed that being an issue when I had the niche, the issue I had was getting it a relatively level and not sloped to one side whenever I poured it into the basket, but that's just a technique thing to work on. You don't seem to have that issue. 35:15 Just be nice to your wife and she won't mess with your grind settings to drive you crazy. :D I haven't tried using the sputum tool or pump on the Niche Zero (probably not necessary) but on the Eureka Specialita I've used it and I noticed there are a lot of very fine coffee dust particles which I think could affect the quality of your extraction so might be better NOT to use the pump except when you want to clean old grounds out of the grinder. I can't tell from the video but I assume it might be the same with the Niche Zero. I noticed the dust because usually coffee grounds don't stick to dosing funnel but when I pumped the low weight of the dust and slight amount of static results in lot of dust stuck on the funnel. I found with conical burr grinders you do get more sourness / or acidity, and maybe less bitterness, at least with light roasts, I think it makes interesting milk drinks sometimes, but I usually prefer flat burrs taste. With a dark roast I think some people prefer conical burr grinders, probably because there's not much acidity to begin with on those, and then you get less bitterness. In the future maybe try dialing them in before the video if you want to shorten your video length, but it does show the process that people have to go through :D Especially with a new grinder where you don't really know how big or small each adjustment really makes. Gets easier to dial in once you're used to it. 1hr 05 - that cups huge, pretty sure that's a latte :) My cappuccino cups are like 8oz.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Thank you so much 😊 I definitely have to work on certain skills and I am so happy I have subscribers like you to help with my journey and I am just so thankful ❤️

[@Ginger_Lily]

Hi guys! I don't have time today to watch the whole video, but just wanted to swing by and show you some love!

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Awee thank you so much 😊 we feel all the love ❤️

[@iHeart2Dance1]

Thank you so much!! You are awesome ❤️

[@lifestyle3000]

Amazing! Where do you have that suction tool from?

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

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[@jasonvespa7452]

That was a lot of fun. Subscribed. I've actually had the exact same setup for about 6 months (Breville Dual Boiler and Niche Zero) so looking forward to following your espresso journey :-) I'm hoping you'll end up needing to get yourself a bigger hopper for you Atom when you get your coffee cart going :-) Awesome coffee bar.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Thank you so much 😊 Jason! That means so much that you said this! I appreciate you ❤️ welcome to the family

[@ggivensjr]

Good Brother's Coffee always put a roasted date and full growers and bean information on bag.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

They are truly an amazing company and have great quality beans as well!

[@ggivensjr]

I agree with Barista Brittany raw espresso is awful. But, @L.L.COOLRAY is correct, making a long black or americano will bring out coffee tasting notes. I find 226g to 283g of water to a normale shot (1:2-2.5) is best.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

George I am definitely going to try that next time when doing a tasting video!

[@georgepirpiris7309]

Try adding 1-2 bags of sugar and stir and sip. I avoided trying for years, now it's all I like in the early evening.

[@ninajg2011]

I’ve been shopping around for a grinder. I’m new to the BBE and think a better grinder will up the flavors! Thanks for reviewing these two excellent grinders! The Atom may be an option! Looking at a Sette, too! Thanks and love the cookie face lol!

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Haha thank you! The cookie face was my wife’s nice little touch 😂 and you really can’t go wrong with either one! I would prefer the niche grinder for at home use due to its ability to dial in fast and waste little to no coffee! And it really stands up to any commercial grinder on the market!

[@SmokiesDen]

I can't recommend the sette 270 series. There is a video on here titled "Time to say goodbye... Grinder Comparison and shots on the Decent DE1+ Pro" where a guy takes one apart and the build quality is trash. They use plastic gears that can melt and the fine control knob loosens and rotates on its own plus it isn't true stepless. He compares it to an atom 75 which was his replacement fwiw. I don't have a niche and have the atom's baby brother the 55mm flat burr mignon specialita so can't talk on either of the grinders show here but I know the niche is well regarded and I would love to try one out and see if I like the conical burs over the flat burrs. Eureka is almost there. The grinder itself is good. I made a single dosing mod for my specialita and really like it, but they cheaped out on the top and front making them out of plastic (unlike that more expensive atom which is all metal i believe). One thing they do on both the mignon and the atom is the cheap-looking name stickers. But the grinders themselves are great and if bought from the right place are very economical.

[@MrTacoma]

Breville Oracle ?

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Rock and Roll, love the live, fun and informative, you are our teacher for us coffee lovers, so truth and integrity is greatly appreciated, yes is yes, no is no. Taste test greatly appreciated also. Superbly done and great fun. Cute puppy dogs 🐶🐶

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Thank you so much! I really love being apart of the coffee community and I absolutely love subscribers like you! ❤️

[@orrinbelcher6593]

@@DylansHomeEspressoBar your welcome

[@smallricenoodles]

where can the grinder buy now as the official website is out of stock

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

I will post a link for you by tomorrow!

[@P1Fanatic]

Afaik Indiegogo is the only place you can buy the Niche (when its in stock) unless your in Asia where they have a reseller called WPM (think they may actually manufacture the grinders for Niche

[@lifestyle3000]

I have the big issue with the Niche that all my good espressi from the past (with my old grinder) now taste sour. I'm really disappointed and am probably going to sell the Niche again if I can't get rid of this issue. Before the Niche I used the following recipe on my Mahlkoenig Peak: 19,5g in the filter and 30-32g in the cup, as a ristretto, in 22-24 seconds. I set my brew temp. to 93,6°C. With the Niche I tried anything - but all (!) sour. I go crazy :-D The best Ristretto (which is still not really good) is now on: 19,5g in the filter and 32g in the cup in 28-30 seconds, brew temp. is 96°C. Any idea where this may come from? I use an espresso I know very well with chocolate and nutty flavors.

[@lifestyle3000]

Update: I sold it and am super happy with it. I bought a flat burr grinder (Atom Speciality 75" and I love it. Coffee tasts great again. All the sourness is gone. Ciao Niche. Don't miss you at all.

[@LD-tn6ff]

@@lifestyle3000 Ya, the Niche is BEYOND over-rated. Half of the people online recommend it solely due to low retention and ease of workflow, while completely disregarding taste. The other half recommend it because J Hoffman did. When it comes to ACTUAL output, the particle distribution is BEYOND wide. It suits primarily new beginners as a wide particle distribution will result in a decent cup regardless of how well it's really dialed in. It also suits people who irrationally favor body over taste and clarity. That's it. If you don't fall into one of those two categories, it's not a great grinder. It's clearly been overhyped from online influencers.

[@ggivensjr]

Should have ground directly into portafilter with niche like you did with Atom 75 for a better comparison.

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

That is definitely a good idea as well!

[@angelaarmstrong6405]

Happy Valentine’s Day ❤️. I missed your live.😫

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

It’s ok! I will be doing many more live streams! And Happy Valentine’s Day ❤️

[@iHeart2Dance1]

Happy Valentine’s Day to you too! ❤️

[@ADAM-fl9tv]

THANKS GREAT VIDEO 🙏🙏🙏

[@JPC326]

We need so much the Niche vs the TurinDF64 :P

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Yes!!

[@cybernessful]

Aluminum is also metal :))) you meant to say steel?

[@JTFII]

cool comparison!

[@EdGodoyPlana]

I love the face your wife added!

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

Hahahahaha 😂 you gotta love the gingerbread man 😆

[@Alpha-Alpha]

you have a niche and .. you use a Breville?!

[@stevendoiron8951]

Did not appreciate your trashing my mother tongue. Dropped off at that point.

[@VigilanteA77777]

When watching the recorded version of your vlog it pauses approximately every 30 seconds. Please check your recorded vlog and see if that pause occurs. Thanks

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

I am so sorry it does this! I will check it out now! Thank you so much for your feedback ❤️

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

I did just watch a portion of the video and noticed the same thing. I am so sorry it does this and it may be part of the fact that I am using a third party app to allow me to go live until I reach 1000 subscribers. So hopefully I will be able to use KZbin live in the near future to fix these issues! Thank you for your support for my channel!

[@VigilanteA77777]

Should let the shot/coffee sit for 2-3 minutes before tasting

[@DylansHomeEspressoBar]

I will definitely be doing this in the next comparison video! Thank you so much for your feedback!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

You'll definitely notice the flaws more on a cooler cup.

[@P1Fanatic]

Also give it a stir rather than a swirl