Which Lexus NX Hybrid should I choose? Lexus NX350H or NX450H+

[@william6765]

I picked the 350h premium with 14 inch screen. The price worked for me. I am averaging 43.7 mpg over the 7500 miles I have had this NX and very happy overall. For you 450h owners be sure to use the gas up and do not let it sit in your tank for months.

[@lsft]

Absolutely, I have talked about this in my channel and advise other who subscribe to my channel. I am on my 3rd tank of gas and on my 5th month soon. Current tank is about 2 months old, but it is gasoline with no ethanol. It's great that the 350h with the 14" screen works for you. I was thinking of the 350h, but unfortunately they did not offer FSport in North America. So I went to the 450h+ and experience a transition to EV.

[@abelievnguy]

Yet again another great owner-experience-video LSFT! I Had the same conclusions for someone with a daily drive within 37 miles, but take long road trips every so often/don't want to deal with charging network/road anxiety, and want a comfortable drive.

[@lsft]

I've seen a lot of people saying the PHEV is dead weight, but looking at the efficiency, it's not that bad. In long trips, I do think that driving EV in city driving and HV in freeway/highway driving is the best option. The Auto EV/HV still prioritize EV too much.

[@petergazarek9466]

LEXUS 👌🏻❤️👍🏻 THE PERFECTION

[@lsft]

The Relentless Pursuit of Perfection!

[@hirovision]

We considered the plug in hybrids by BMW, Volvo, GM and Toyota. I think the NX had the most luxury, tech , range and great looks. Our last car was a Highlander Hybrid and considering how much Carmax gave us for that car, the choice of getting the top trim Lexus NX was simple. Paying over MSRP was painful but I guess it is what it is, if we wanted it, we had to pay it. We also didnt want the range anxiety of a full electric. Most days, the Car goes less then 37mi so we have not used much gas since we got the car in May. We have spent 21 gallons of fuel and have 2210mi on the odometer. I guess you can avg that to 100+ mpge? We just got a level 2 charge outlet in our garage and we are happy about our choice we made with the car. Thanks for another great video!

[@lsft]

Thanks for providing how you made your decision and yes - this car is awesome! 21 gallons with 2210 miles on the odometer!!! Can't ask for more.

[@grahammccarthy1893]

I have to agree with your conclusions. I bought the 450h+ F-Sport in the UK and just about always achieve over 40 miles of EV range - my best being 47 miles. Before buying I calculated that at the advertised 40 miles of EV range would cover in the region of 80% of my return journeys and so it's proved; for me the 450h+ was the perfect choice. One added bonus is that my office and local supermarket have free EV charging points. After 20 years of buying BMWs this was something of a leap of faith for me but four months into my Lexus journey I remain delighted with my NX.

[@lsft]

That's absolutely good to hear that you are taking advantage of PHEV and that your office and local supermarket offers free charging. This video was just for potential buyers that want a hybrid and didn't know what to get. If wait times were not an issues, the 450h+ is definitely my choice and it was my choice. The monthly payments is much higher than my previous 18 NX300, but I accounted for the gasoline cost savings to the payments which made it feel more worth the extra in payments.

[@THEAC83]

Great review, well done! For us, we chose the 350H for the pano roof and the Mark Levinson sound system. We said that if it came on the 450, we wouId have gotten that. We’re lucky here in Australia as we could option the F-Sport on the Hybrid and that’s what we did.

[@lsft]

Originally, I wanted to have the ML and pano roof, but unlike Australia, the 350H did not offer F-Sport. So I had to weigh on the non F-Sport vs the more expensive 450h+ FSport. After giving it some thought, I was like.. I typically listen to streaming music or radio talk shows while driving and I don't sit in the back to enjoy the extra light of the pano roof. Then I was thinking of the transition to an EV, so I decided to go the extra mile and get the 450H+. My conclusion - I do not regret making this decision. The PHEV has helped me ride over the high gas prices which already accounts for some of the extra payments I am making when I compared to the 350H. Paying $10 on gas to drive 100km vs paying $4.5 on gas and electricity to drive 100km is very different.

[@kiokio7723]

Good video. 2 people I know are testing cars and sed that for driving 70% in town prefer the nx350h . Just always forget to charge the battery in nx 450+ or was not bothered to charge. The nx 350h is just more Izzy driving and still got the EV option for short time and it works. All the best for UK / Poland

[@lsft]

Thanks for the comments. If they do not charge the car, they are not getting the benefit of the 450h+ and should have just get the 350h. I drive purely EV most of the time unless I need to use up the gas or go on road trips.

[@uYahbonaEmbo]

LSFT wow another great informative video keep them coming. Now for I travel about 140km a day with my ICE Petrol guzzling Lexus car and I am in the market for a PHEV or EV , Here in South Africa there are few options for EV’s but most are Germans , Swedish and British brands so was hoping Lexus would bring the UX300e as entry level EV into the country. But to answer the question the NX450H + is more appealing as a transitions from a ICE to PHEV to Full EV. F-sport trim also part of my required specification so it’s a must I think my decision would final be based on cost between the NX350h F sport , NX450h F- sport or RZ450e and RX450h+ so will wait until Lexus SA make the official EV launching announcement for 2023.

[@lsft]

Hopefully when it's time to pick, you have your mind on one of them!

[@debashishpaul8342]

Great video. Agree with your rationale near the end of the video.

[@lsft]

Thank you for watching the video and agreeing with my rationale!

[@oc0803]

I like the NX450h+ Here in the USA I believe it qualifies for the HOV lane like an EV. The 37 miles in EV mode works very well for me.

[@lsft]

Nice. It's the same in Ontario, Canada. But we need to change our cars license plate to the Green plate and that plate cannot be customized. That is why I did not get the green plate.

[@fadeaway23mj]

Great review! After watching your video I booked the nx450h+ f sports. Im waiting for the Mark Levinson option to take effect soon.

[@lsft]

I hope the ML will come.

[@Frogfrog1234]

Good compare details!

[@lsft]

Thank you! 🙏

[@siquanwu3131]

If you are conscious about cost and won’t keep your car longer than 5 years, go get 350h. If you intend to keep your Lexus longer and commute mainly short around city, then go get 450h.

[@lsft]

Well, if you pick the base 450h+ and get the rebates, it's very close to the 350h.

[@SuperStewfart]

Like the digital daily newspaper I read ( The Australian ), the comments on your video are as important as the video itself. Now into my 8th month after ordering and have no idea when the car will show up. The battery on my 7 year old BMW X3 just did a winter fail so was replaced for A$450. I spent $4,500 on it in May. I like warranty periods and Lexus is good.

[@lsft]

I hope your new vehicle arrives soon. Did they give you an ETA? or it's still unknown at this point?

[@SuperStewfart]

@@lsft an apology only. Clearly not arriving for a few months yet. C’est la vie.

[@donaldbanner2185]

I agree with this analysis. Please read the following * especially the end.....and *RUN Do-Not walk to the NX 450h+ "F" Sport!... .I own the Lexus 2022 450h+ F sport. Elegant and refined!.....Note the Heads Up display on the windshield W/8” & 14” Info on Dash board with Crystal Clear display on both, alone makes the Lexus better........Mine is In Atomic Silver Glows in the Sun Light with Lil" grey metal flake" and same Circut Red interior.. but with Electric battery...Has 306 Horse power 0 to 60 in 5.6 sec (Via Road and track at drag strip!.) **** BIG NOTE: This model DOES- NOT have a TURBO...But rather, a Naturally aspirated / Carb...........(important because it is well known that TURBOS stress engines)... Simply said: see euro cars shop time & inevitable “ Check Engine Light CONTINUALLY!!....this car combines the Elec Batt and engine to achieve *89 miles per Gallon ( Uses 87% octane / Regular gas according to user manual) in Hybred mode with HIGH torq, And VERY quick out of the hole...Jus' blew the doors off a 735i beeemer...albeit for only a block ...( I am no dummy a V* will eventually pass many cars in the long dist. (in all fairness) ......However, who cares the thrill is initial take off and tickets are for high speed & SPEED...Kill's! My car has Red Calipers against Powder coated Gloss spoke Black mags and All red "F" Sport Badges. Installed Carbon Fiber on ALL interior Piano Black i.e. Center Consoul arm rests dash board & rear center heater consul between seats. Don't mind at all making these kind of upgrades when you drive off the lot and your *** Car Note: goes UP IN VALUE: do that with any car today??? FAR better built than euro's (mine built in Japan) sadly, new releases are now being made in Canada! Like USA Union shops...no one gets fired for a hang over and bad work??? maybe)..... However, Lexus is Far more reliable...Far better Re-Sale that Euro beemers or mercedes Check Engine Light Gucci headache) .......indeed mine has Gone UP in price...Not many cars you can find Like that!... IF YOU CAN FIND ONE ANYWHERE do grab it!......"econ 101".....Has (3) elec. motors gett'n 0 to 60 in 5.6 sec (road and track) HIGH torque QUICK out of Hole!......~*~*Never do I use gas..... gett'n 43 miles per 120 Volt charge (real world driving my experience.) and NEVER USE GAS Frean'n inflation caused by “Elections Have Consequences!....Almost Silent operation in elec....So do your research, PLEASE......as this is Far better than any European beemer, mercedes and korean etc. All those are depreciating the moment you drive off the lot BIG TIME! …....And are UN- reliable offering to say nothing of the: GAS HOG unproven G 70, & RDX not worth mentioning. Z Best of the BEST F Sport 450h+ ! ….One more thing, Jus' a heads up!......My wife drives the RX 2020 model...Consider putting Michelin's at $1000.00 en ebay and balanced on your NX 450h+ F Sport replace the Idiot Run Flats that the dealer wants a $1200.00 extra for warr because like me You WILL eventually get a flat and the Run YOUR WALLET Flats are required to replace??? are you freak'n kidding????....Michelin's primacy same size &......Far and away EVEN a much smoother ride, Shissh, Do Not tell my wife ...even smoother than her 2020 RX 350....because My "F" Sport has the added "Adaptive Suspension". Much better ride than the HARD Run Flat Bridgestones that come stock. Carry a Batt. quality inflator ( DeWalt 20V MAX Corded/Cordless Air Inflator ) and string tar impregnated rope insert-er and Do-Not wait for AAA. Consider Use in Only Plug -in and a Hybred NOT a All electric Automobile!.........Using All electric YOU MUST consider YOUR TIME!....i.e. cost benefit analysis. By stopping frequently and needing to use REMOTE Elec Batt fill CONSIDER: fill time, as you probably eat and drink more and waste time simply WAITING to re-charge. You may even drive out of your way searching for an available station Many a Tesla driver has found out the hard way! Consider all the aforementioned & and You WILL Have the best of the best in the 450h+ “F” Sport and reflect having a Sophisticated, Elegant & classy platform as well! This vehicle has gone up in price 12K since I bought it @ that increase in value what is the downside? ....So Guys!...let's Jus' get real leave our egos parked till the weekend, we all know these EURO headache's are just for EGO!.* (SHOW OFF)../ insecure people for the most part?......Intelligent people drive a LEXUS...when we go to work / appointment and or KNOW we MUST be somewhere i.e. an emergency I drive my Lexus….I am fortunate to own a Ferrari Daytona to exercise my Ego as well, So lets leave our Gucci cars for the weekend Polo Pony events. D0-Not Lease your car and get ripped off! Jus' to turn it in every 3 years @ maybe 1800.00 per month...oh sure we say it is a write off but you still need to Feed and Cloth the beast and NEVER EVEN OWN IT....i.e. RIPPPPP Off! by the by you still get a write off if you buy this & Jus' consider this: DEPRECIATION Of other vehicles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIGtn3Wgm81papY End of story!

[@lsft]

When I pressed more.. I was like.. wow.. an essay. It's great that you have expressed your views on this topic!

[@donaldbanner2185]

@@lsft Thanks ....However they are ONLY my views ....others are free to make up their own mind.....I simply wish to expose them to the WHY, FOR ME personally after much research and Hands on experience with Many cars as I am a car freak!..... this choice makes sense.

[@donaldbanner2185]

Hmmmmmmmm your points above as to why the 450h+.......You FORGOT TO MENTION RE-SALE......just driving it off the LOT your car is worth more money because HARD to GET and only in smog states avail...i.e. Calif and Florida there-by scarcity driving up value! Enjoy the Ride!

[@lsft]

Well, all cars nowadays have good resale value. Even the NX350H has good resale - just because of the limited amount of vehicles.

[@donaldbanner2185]

@@lsft Clearly NOT as much as this particular vehicle...however you are correct in that most have better but STILL loos money upon driving out the dealers lot .... This 450h+ is rare * maybe not in Calif* cuz it is One of the only places to get it..& people are grabbing them NOW!...However, in the mid west and MOST of the US...... these are NOT available unlike all other cars! & make No Mistake...This PHEV will bring Huge premium $ in those aforementioned areas!

[@lsft]

@@donaldbanner2185 as time goes, the car will not be as much. But in the current situation and the foreseeable future you are right.

[@nicolascounio9906]

In France, for a long term rent as a company car, this is a no brainer. The 450H+ rent is lower (at comparable trim level), the insurance premium are low considering the price and the powertrain and your company is almost totally exempted of any eco taxes....at a point the cost per kilometer of a 450H+ is lower than a diesel non premium SUV. Should I have to buy it myself, it would be a close call but probably go for the 350h considering how long I would probably keep the car (and I would have pano roof and ML system)

[@lsft]

Still want that Pano roof and ML system. 😁

[@nicolascounio9906]

@@lsft So do I, you can get both with the new RX 450H+ if I'm correct but the price tag will be in the 100 K€ for the top trim version in France. Launch edition (50 vehicles) is called "Opera de Paris " and you'll get a "free" ML 5909 audio headset and two tickets for the Paris Opera 😁

[@lsft]

@@nicolascounio9906 it sure does get expensive.

[@pepperwong]

Thank you for your video. I agree with you totally. Love the power & Japan made.

[@lsft]

My pleasure. 🙏

[@petermiddleton5788]

Thanks for your reviews. QUESTION: what you have experienced on longer trips as regards availability of electric power (and whether you have taken special steps to conserve the electric power) BACKGROUND: I live in GTA and am trying to decide between the 350h / 450h+, and the extra performance from the 450h+ is very enticing. However, I am unclear what happens on longer trips as the battery gets used up. {My understanding with the 350h is that the engine/braking can recharge the battery as the car continues with the trip.} However, with the 450h+ it is unclear to me whether any 'battery recharge' is available from operating the car (a la 350h) - this feature certainly seemed to be referred to when the 450h+ was initially launched, but my local dealer advised that the only way to recharge the battery is by plugging in.

[@lsft]

The charging infrastructure in Ontario is still not that convenient like I drove to a cottage over the long weekend and in the small town where I stayed, there was only 1 charging station at the fire station. It just didn't make sense to drive there charge and then drive back to the cottage. In fact, I brought my charger and charged at the cottage. If I would be going on longer trips ( beyond the estimate range in EV ), I would then drive locally in EV mode and drive HV when driving on highway speeds. That way I can get the most efficiency of both powertrains. Driving EV on highway does not give you much regen power, so you will use the battery much faster. There is a feature called Charge Mode and that will charge the battery up to 80% using the gas engine. I won't suggest that since it's not the most efficient way to charge the battery. What you describe is that the 350h has regenerative braking that will recharge the car battery. The 450h+ has the same feature, but definitely it will not recharge the full battery as it has a much larger battery. The 450h+ is essentially a 350h with a much larger battery. 450h+ does the same things the 350h does when it's in HV mode. The biggest difference of the 450h+ is that it can drive in EV mode without the gas engine running until it battery is depleted or if it gets too cold and you need heat.

[@petermiddleton5788]

@@lsft Thanks so much for taking the time to respond. I agree that 'plugging-in' is the most efficient way to recharge the 450h+. REQUST: Can you please confirm that my following interpretation is correct? It is very interesting to me that you refer to a 'Charge-Mode' for the 450h+ that will use the engine to partially (upto 80%) charge the battery - that is an important detail for me as it means one need never get 'range anxiety' about losing the extra power provided by the electric motor. [I realise one never loses all power, as the gas engine is always available, but using gas engine only is not particularly powerful]

[@lsft]

@@petermiddleton5788 Charge Mode is different from the regenerative braking. You will never have range anxiety in the 450h+. Although, the car says there is no EV range left, it reserves 30% battery for HV mode, which is similar to what the 350H has. So the engine will never run by itself with no electric engine to support. In HV mode, you will get the full 300hp power. In EV, you only get the power from the electric engines which I find powerful enough.

[@petermiddleton5788]

@@lsft Thanks so much for following up - I have not been able to locate information on these topics (I) keeping battery power in reserve and also (ii) the charge mode ; which seem to eliminate need for plugging in when that may be inconvenient on a longer trip. Perhaps you could prepare one of your excellent videos on this

[@wesgramiak543]

My concern with the 450+ version is how the cold weather affects both the charging time and range of the EV capabilities. I’ve been following the tesla chats over the past couple of years and their range is affected anywhere from 25-50% range loss. I really would like to see the real world range on your 450+ during the winter season.

[@lsft]

I will be able to tell you when winter comes. At this point the rated 61km seems to be a very good average. I have been able to drive 70-80km in the summer months. The max I have achieved to date is 84.1km which is about 52 miles. Assuming in the winter months we will be seeing < 61km maybe only 50km range. But then when you average out the year, it is still good. Even with a NX350h, we will have similar issue as the engine will need to warm up longer and use more gasoline. So the difference between the two wouldn't be that significantly different. I will be doing more winter driving when it comes and watch out for my videos when it's cold in Canada.

[@donaldbanner2185]

Still cold or not it is NICE to have choices...via Elec or Gas!

[@rodulfol]

I got the 450H+ because my drive to and from work is less than 37 miles and the $7500 tax credit (U.S) which makes it cheaper than the top-of-the-line 350H by far. So far, I'm absolutely happy with my choice.

[@lsft]

Great that you are happy with your choice. The problem nowadays is the wait for the vehicle as chip shortages are really burdening the sales of these cars.

[@donaldbanner2185]

Aside from the fuel savings, You forgot to mention How QUIET this car is: * Especially if you put Michelin Primacy tires on it/ same size 20" .... with the LOW rolling resistance and NO TIRE WITHIN a tire doughnut i.e Stupid Run Flats! You will get even more Elec. miles, I get a bit over 44 Mi per charge.

[@rodulfol]

Absolutely. It's the quietest car I've ever owned. Right now I'm getting 44+ miles on a full charge!

[@donaldbanner2185]

@@rodulfol Wow GREAT....NOW.....change your tires to Michelin's primacy and pick up 4 more mile due to less rolling resistance compared to the dog eared Brigestones freak'n Run Flat....that by the way if you ever get a Leak of any kind....You will be REQUIRED by Law to replace the tire with another freak'n RUN flat to match others.........Jus' be done with it and REPLACE!

[@rodulfol]

@@donaldbanner2185 Yeah, one thing I noticed, is as soon as I let off the throttle, the car immediately starts slowing down. In all my other cars, especially Toyotas and Lexus (2018 RX 450H), the car would cruise at a nice pace until it slowed down considerably. So you might have a point on the run-flat tires.

[@jgcarillonneur642]

Lexus is almost never selling the 450h+ in states other than the East or West coasts (I am in Indiana, and have been told outright that I can forget about getting a 450h+.

[@lsft]

Maybe after mid-cycle refresh. The demand and supply is just not balanced. I have heard folks buying out of state and if you can do that you may be the only one in the state with a 450h+

[@jgcarillonneur642]

Why on earth are the mileage numbers so much more favorable in the UK? Also, Lexus very clearly, advises using premium gas!

[@lsft]

It says in the manual that premium is recommended. For some reason, there are Lexus buyers who can afford a premium vehicle still want to use regular fuel. The answer for favorable mileage numbers is because US uses the US gallon and UK uses the Imperial gallon. The number of litres per gallon is different and that is why the MPGs are different.

[@X.t.h.z]

Do you know the 450h base are made in Japan as well? All 350/350h are not made in Japan?

[@lsft]

If you live in North America, all trims of the NX450h+ is made in Japan. All other model and trims are made in Canada. All other places in the world, their NXs are made in Japan.

[@X.t.h.z]

@@lsft I’m also from Canada, same as you, I’m from Toronto, only problem is I can’t afford +15k (+13% tax) for higher trim 🥹 I also prefer made in Japan to be honest.

[@lsft]

@@X.t.h.z the base trim also qualifies for the $5000 federal rebate. It's a good deal. You just need to wait many many months for it.

[@X.t.h.z]

@@lsft Do you know the +$15000 trim qualify for $5000 rebate?

[@lsft]

@@X.t.h.z no.. the executive and the FSport 3 trim do not qualify.

[@TechJunky777]

Does the 450H+ have advanced parking? Or just the regular parking assist with auto breaking.

[@lsft]

Depends where you are. In Canada the 450h+ does offer advanced park in executive and FSport trim. It was not available in the FSport when I purchased it in 2022.

[@TechJunky777]

@@lsft I’m in Ontario also…

[@lsft]

@@TechJunky777 then it's available on executive and FSport 3. Not available on signature

[@michaelvella8511]

Are you still dissatisfied with the size of the SUV ? A lot of other car journalists are doing a second review and are now contradicting what they complained about before...I wonder why...🤔

[@lsft]

The size is right for me. Depends on what you need for your own usage. You can check out my trunk challenge and see how much luggage I could put in.

[@donaldbanner2185]

Frankly, I like the size of the 450H+ Much better than my wife's RX 350 2020...Similar size to beemer X5.....both of which have much more Roll, no adaptive suspension...harsher ride and the RX 350 is known, for comfort ride....The aforementioned is most probably because a bit lower center of gravity tighter steering, but a smoother ride in the 450h+. the "F" Sport seats hug you & I am NOT fat at 6' 181 lbs.....so the car feels and LQQKs sporty W / Circut Red & Black interior....as for space ...yes, the RX has a bit more....however, never miss it but rather like the NX better as it sits 1" lower and is easier to slide into even w/sport seats.