Which Old 8GB GPU is Better? GTX 1070 vs RX Vega 56

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@gamewizard1760 8 ай бұрын

Steve, at Gamers Nexus, did an overclocking video with the Vega 56, where he matched the clocks on a Vega 56 to the clocks on an otherwise identical Vega 64 card, and the performance was nearly the same. The extra shaders of the Vega 64 made almost no difference, whatsoever. In another video, he did a super overclock of a Vega 56, where he used liquid cooling, and completely disabled the power controls on the card, and got it to where it was consuming something like 420W of power, and was running frames equal to a RTX 2070, showing that Vega was capable of a lot more than what AMD released it with. I've seen people getting really good results overclocking the Vega Frontier cards, as well. AMD left a lot of performance off the table, to get Vega down to a power consumption level that consumers would find acceptable. If the cards required a 1000W power supply, in 2017, they wouldn't have sold very many. Even today, it's a struggle for most people to justify a video card that consumes more than 400W of power.

@S0LP 8 ай бұрын

Wow

@ahiwalter9153 8 ай бұрын

I feel that’s amd’s constant struggle

@wayland7150 7 ай бұрын

Perhaps the most overcloackable and tunable GPUS. The crypto miners explopred it capabilitys because it was so good at mining. We'd prefer the 56 and turn down the GPU speed whilst turning up the VRAM speed. Saves power and mines faster. For games you'd clock up the GPU speed too.

@LuciusVulpes 11 ай бұрын

"GPU design peaked in 2016-2017" damn right it did. Modern GPU designs are horrendous.

@burtiq 11 ай бұрын

i mourn the loss of evga 10 series cards

@da1punisher 11 ай бұрын

Opinions vary. Mine is that my XFX RX 6800 is metal as hell 🤘and has a clean industrial look. And my Hellhound 7800XT is fookin spectacular. 😁

@LuciusVulpes 11 ай бұрын

@@burtiqI still keep my EVGA 1070 around, as a decoration. Never going to sell it. I'll probably put it in an mini iTX build for emulation some time in the future, though.

@sol-hb8zg 11 ай бұрын

Nah, there’s still loads of new gpus that look great like the sapphire 6000/7000 amd gpus etc

@juanme555 2 ай бұрын

For me, the most beautiful gpu ever made was the RTX 2080 Super founders edition , serious, slick, classy, industrial, modern...all at the same time.

@emdotrod 11 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention while the RX Vega 56 isn't supported officially by AMD anymore, there are community developed drivers for it that might have better performances than the official driver. I used RX Vega 56 in my PC right now and I think I'll use this card until I can get a better replacement or a better resolution screen. This card can still game at Full HD with ease and I don't really mind about graphics so it might serves me for a long time

@ProYamYamPC 11 ай бұрын

I did, although it was towards the end of the video. I will get around to testing the NimeZ drivers at some point on a variety of older Radeon cards as well. Nevertheless, I think it’s a shame that AMD is dropping support for Vega. Like you said, it’s still solid at 1080p.

@emdotrod 11 ай бұрын

@@ProYamYamPC Some might prefer the 1070 over the Vega 56 for streaming but honestly the Vega 56 is still fine for streaming or recording game footage for me. Great video, thanks for covering these card

@poyzer 10 ай бұрын

Where do I find these drivers? I'm running a vega 56 and Iv'e just been using the latest AMD

@CaptainKenway 9 ай бұрын

It's completely inaccurate to say that Vega is no longer officially supported. It absolutely is. The tech media misinformation campaign about AMD dropping Vega driver support started in October, yet the most recent Vega driver is from late January. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out that timeline. The only thing it's not getting any more is 'game ready' driver updates - but then neither are Nvidia cards from that era in reality. Does anybody SERIOUSLY believe that Nvidia are hard at work optimizing the latest games for Pascal? Or even Turing for that matter? Fastidiously updating your drivers for something like a GTX 1070 every time a new one comes out is a complete waste of time unless there's a specific bug affecting you being fixed and listed in the release notes (which will also happen for Vega). If anything, it's more likely to cause problems than solve them. In fact, there's a content idea for some KZbinr - test a variety of games from the past few years on a Pascal card using a selection of drivers from the past few years and see how much improvement there's been during that time. My prediction is diddly squat on average.

@wayland7150 7 ай бұрын

@@poyzer Look for Radeon ID drivers, the new name for NimeZ.

@harddrive7316 11 ай бұрын

Good content for the comparisons. Consider the Vega 56 is 106% the performance of the 1070 according to Techpowerup, it's surprising to see the 1070 beat the Vega 56 on a few titles in terms of average FPS with less power consumption. Also the 1070 is identical to the newer and more power efficient 1660 Super in terms of performance.

@ProYamYamPC 11 ай бұрын

I was originally going to test with the 1660 Super, but it decided it didn’t want to be a GPU anymore.

@harddrive7316 11 ай бұрын

@@ProYamYamPC That's so unfortunate.

@Bassjunkie_1 11 ай бұрын

One of my four pcs still runs my vega 56, with a 64 bios a good oc and a Morpheus 2 cooler. In my head its still a good gaming gpu while the 1070 which i gave away isn't lol. But this is because i couldn't do anything with the 1070 unlike the vega56. Yea you can mod the 1070 but it needs a soldering iron and a knowledge of schematics lol. Saying that, i'd never give my vega56 away as they would think its broken or something as its vega, hence another reason why i gave away the 1070 as it just works. Not saying vega does not work. But we all know what happens when someone has an amd issue, reddit lights up.

@da1punisher 11 ай бұрын

This is the way. Being able to run the Vega 64 bios on some models, is why it's a better pick for an ultra budget gamer than the 1070. CUDA isn't a real factor IMO, because if you NEED it for a "time is money" workflow, a 1070 isn't what your shopping for. Drivers are a wash too. Nvidia may technically still support cards back to Maxwell 2.0 but it doesn't mean they spend anytime on optimizations for them. Iceberg Tech shows both Halo Infinite and Guardians of the Galaxy are broken with newer drivers and you have to revert to old ones to get the games working properly. It's a marketing tactic to keep mindshare. Besides, community drivers for old AMD cards is a thing.

@gamewizard1760 8 ай бұрын

A GTX 1080 Ti would be faster, and use less power. So would a RTX 2080, or RTX 3070. I think it's time to retire the Vega 56.

@Bassjunkie_1 8 ай бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 not for my kids pc

@reblitgaming 11 ай бұрын

I managed to get Asus strix 1070 for my niece. The thing still pulls decent FPS, cant complain. and for what i paid £85. Winner, winner...

@ProYamYamPC 11 ай бұрын

Winner of a deal that is! Good model too🙌

@collbrian5885 4 ай бұрын

I bought an RX Vega 56, does it work well on an MSI A520M-A Pro board? The processor would be a Ryzen 5 5500

@taiphvql 11 ай бұрын

I using and sold RX 580 590 3 times, this is my loving VGA .

@tokisakirem6955 10 ай бұрын

Do you think vega 56 is still worth it in 2024? I bought one last December of 2023 for really cheap for Php 4000 (roughly 70USD). I was hesitant at first but it seems like it was worth it.

@0takudad 10 ай бұрын

Undervolt it and give the memory a slight overclock. Mine is stable at 950mhz HBM2 clock. 165 watts max consumption. Still plays games well on high at 1080p. Bought mine a few months ago from shopee.

@kevinmax101 10 ай бұрын

My Brother, I got one for 2.9k PHP with a broken Fan. Fan replacement + undervolt + repaste and this thing runs everything I play at 1080p. Got this as a stopgap sInce both my other gous (3070 and 2070 SupeR) miraculously died last december 😂

@gamewizard1760 8 ай бұрын

No, not when there are GTX 1080 Ti, and RTX 2080 cards for not a lot of money on ebay.

@wayland7150 7 ай бұрын

It's an 8GB GPU which means it has enough VRAM. It can also have that extended in the driver using system RAM which can help in titles such as Warzone. People still use the RX 580 8GB and this has nearly double that performance.

@a1ankaymusic 5 ай бұрын

Makes no sense to me that the 1070 would ever do better considering the specs, and the fact the Vega 56 has way better memory and bandwidth. Can’t imagine trying to play Alan wake 2 on one of these though 😂 I had to go upgrade my gpu from a 2070 super to actually enjoy it.

@felix6487 11 ай бұрын

Can you please send me your OC Profile for AMD adrelanine?

@ProYamYamPC 11 ай бұрын

I used MSI afterburner, Vega tuning in Adrenalin was kinda broken last time I checked.

@0takudad 10 ай бұрын

While its true that Vega 56bis unsupported by AMD just recently, NimeZ drivers still churn modded drivers for it. So I wouldnt count Vega 56 out of the game just yet. Plus regarding power consumption, you can always undervolt it so it consumes less energy. Ramping up the HBM2 clock works wonders and gets more FPS than a core overclock. Vega 56bis not for everyone, but tweakers and enthusiasts will get more value from it.

@gamewizard1760 8 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure you have to find a card that uses Samsung VRAM, to be able to get a decent overclock. If the card uses some other brand, they aren't so flexible when it comes to overclocking. I've seen cards with Samsung VRAM overclocked to 950mhz, and that's the highest overcock I've seen on any Vega 56 VRAM.

@wayland7150 7 ай бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 The Airboost are Samsung but they will all clock up from 800 to 900.

@wladikanew5666 7 ай бұрын

Test onn 1080p or 1440p

@rugby187gaming 11 ай бұрын

Always fancied trying one of the Vega cards with their HBM but power consumption is what put me off tbf.

@ProYamYamPC 11 ай бұрын

Vega are super cool cards. I recommend them!

@0takudad 10 ай бұрын

Just undervolt it and overclock the HBM2. Still performs well on 1080p high and medium on 1440p.. FSR2 also helps for very demanding games. Definitely worth it if you can get one for 70 to 80 usd.

@gamewizard1760 8 ай бұрын

You can undervolt them, and not lose much performance. I think a 20% undervolt, only results in a 5% loss in performance, but then you can overclock them and get some of that back. I don't know why AMD wasn't tighter with their power controls. They probably could have cut 20-25W from the rated TDP, and sold more of them. Better tuning doesn't even cost any money to do.

@davidjames3259 8 ай бұрын

@@0takudad I found one for 80 euros but am torn whether to choose it or go for a rx 580, am concerned abt its tdp since I have a 500w PSU, what do you think ? and with the undervolting how much wattage will it take

@wayland7150 7 ай бұрын

All decent GPUs use a lot of power. The R9 290 uses more. The RTX 3090 uses more. Some use less but they're newer or have less performance. As long as your PSU has two separate PCIe 8 way cables it will be fine. The cooling on the blower cards is good but at full chat can be heard unless you're playing Forza and then your engine is louder.

@lflyr6287 11 ай бұрын

Geforce Pascal architecture (which I love and own in GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti) is an old derivate (and so is the RTX Pascal refresh 2000 series) of the previous ones. That's why it tends to perform better in games that use older graphic engines. RX Vega is a heavily parallel architecture and thus loves modern game engines and performs much better in modern games than the Pascal series. Fortnite = Unreal Engine 4 developed in 2013 Cyberpunk 2077 = Red Engine 4 developed in 2010/2011

@gamewizard1760 8 ай бұрын

Turing is not a Pascal refresh. I don't know where you got that from, but it's wrong.

@lflyr6287 8 ай бұрын

@@gamewizard1760 why buttercup ? Because you feel that my statement is wrong ? Facts are that the RTX 2000 series is a Pascal refresh with around 10 % more CUDA cores, lower clocks, higher PWR consumption and exactly the same memory mappings, exactly the same GPU frequency algorithms, exactly the same memory configuration, exactly the same memory quantities per TIER and exactly the same utilisation acting in games.