which ROLE can CARRY the MOST 🤔

[@1samsnow1]

alois saying FACTS

[@mattisbette3932]

He uses the word statistically wrong but aside from that yes. His argument is correct. However he makes an assumption which is that winning lanes results in winning the game. Which is correct in most cases but not always. Especially in lower elo where people don't know how to close games players might get time to scale even though they lost their lane.

[@krzysztofputerko1943]

@@mattisbette3932 ye but most junglers nowadays can also carry on their own so even if your teammates dont make us from won lane, you can carry yourself with kills from ganks

[@Katalina_baketsu]

@@krzysztofputerko1943 jgl can turbo 1v9 bruh simple thing go some aggro jgl in low elo and have macro ggwp you win by default by simply making the weakest player mentaly loose it simple thing i do as mid gank bot double kill if we are ok in hp i ping to force gank again on bush between t3 and t2 when the adc comeback even if we don't kill make him 30% left is just go next because when our adc back get item he have 2 choice push but he can't or just reset and loose the wave that's maybe cancer but every time i see teemo top or shit like this i just go jgl for invade and dmg early and proxy this rat and force him to have 0 cs and loose it because he got 0 gank and even write in chat all top or adc gap if they respond you know you already win because if he talk back to this he is mad about one thing they just abuse this poor guy and ggwp because atm i see every game a guy who get camped loose it even when the game is winable

[@krzysztofputerko1943]

@@Katalina_baketsu well, that's true. What I was refering to is that junglers can either choose if they want to play around one of the laners(pocking ganker tank who can engage and peel for that player and give away kills from ganks) or to carry on their own(pixk assassin/kindred etc.

[@Katalina_baketsu]

@@krzysztofputerko1943 yeah jgl is free carry but this is free ff too if you play like karthus and you have xin full invade you take 0 cs it's go next but it has the biggest impact btw look ivern wnr xd in euw in master + it's more than 55% no joke

[@maciejr1447]

just so people understand impact isn't the same as carry potential. Junglers and supports have great impact but not as good of a carry potential

[@HamsterPants522]

Yup. I play Shen top so that I can have global impact, but there's rarely a game where I'm carrying with Shen.

[@bars2051]

Very true, it’s also important to understand that more carry potential correlates to more impact however. Weird how that works.

[@nikhilshelke9398]

Pyke has entered the chat

[@joaobrito2653]

@@HamsterPants522with shen your “ impact”’ is just hoping you flip a better team most of the times because you are sacking your lane to ult your teammates

[@FilthyGaijin]

​@@joaobrito2653this reminds me the time I was getting flamed for being 40 cs down on Shen. Yeah, dipsht i ulted you twice so I ditched a lot of farm to save you

[@slendydie1267]

I agree. My junglers are so good that whenever they gank me, the enemy gains an advantage and are ahead. Very good 👍

[@sparkingriver2881]

Had me at the first part ngl

[@boartank]

Urge to dive turret vs ADC with CC is impossible to them

[@DerpLvIAsian]

literally too often that my jungler ganks late, towerdives and feeds, then next time gank after my ADC is dead, stays out of my W range (im a yuumi main), then dies again to the fucking enemy jungler THAT WALKED THROUGH MY FUCKING WARD but i guess our jungle either is blind or has the map turned off. Im never getting out of bronze.

[@dl6115]

@@DerpLvIAsian sry to say this but as a yuumi main that is deserved

[@DerpLvIAsian]

@@dl6115 i'd like to add that when my jungler doesnt feed the bot lane my score is usually something like 3/2/27. best ive gotten until now is 6/0/34.

[@haydn1708]

Us Bot and top laners give each other so much grief but there’s a deep mutual respect due to having the lowest impact roles

[@aaronatondo4895]

in fact, as a top laner main, my summoner name is GG REPORT BOT #LAN

[@Doublejho]

nuh-uh i only give the grief, nothing more, don't project

[@itsantone8262]

Spot on brother. I like the inverse relationship between top and bot... I feel like when I lose it's often an out of control top laner wreaking havoc. But I imagine that when top laners lose they're wondering how tf the enemy bot so far ahead and taking every tower.

[@Katalina_baketsu]

game top chill for 15 min get fed and sudenly see a fkcing varus walk on you like you are yumi and you fight get delete press tab watch him 10/2 and your bot 0/5 and 2/8 and you are like well that's fucked we loose this but when i go bot i face at 17 min trundle lvl 16 when every one is lvl 12 and my top with 20 cs at 22min vs trundle with 200cs same i am ok then we can go next i think

[@DamianSzajnowski]

Naaw, with this chill background music, it's either the same editor as Azzapp or bro is paying respects and taking inspiration.

[@CentsGD]

I love jungle 🌱🌱🌱 (Luv u alois)

[@bulletcola7890]

I love how he calls out the guy for cat calling him.

[@therealoatmeal4642]

„ADC has more impact than top lane“ **laughs in shen**

[@hagalathekido]

shen can be very impactful, but he falls off and loses a lot of resources himself for roaming

[@Katalina_baketsu]

@@hagalathekido go watch the main shen who go for support shen top watch how he just don't give a shit about being behind

[@coldasice1553]

I'm starting to think of top lane more as a champ dependent role, you have champs such as TK and malph that can dive and bully enemy carries on repeat and make them hate their life with TP, or u can have a split pusher that speedruns the nexus and is basically afk while winning anyways, or you can have a fighter that 1v3s the backline while you lose a 4v2, or a teemo

[@luisfernadez4702]

Thats mean i need more fundamentals in jungle.

[@alexmarriott415]

I made an alt account to main support on and holy crap is this the truth. Climbing as a support in low elo is tough because you’re afraid of the teams top lane matchup beating yours because enemy ADC and your ADC typically don’t have to much of an impact since they’re easy to CC and 100 to 0. I main top on my regular account and laning feels so much easier.

[@hommamhamdeh2863]

Well said bro

[@xiliasama]

Alois spitting facts that I'm eating them for breakfast

[@theunicyclist35]

Jungle has the most impact but can't solo carry because if the lanes are losing there is no play to be made. I'd say mid is objectively the "best" role because you have a lot of impact from roaming but you also have solo carry potential

[@milzhere]

Carry junglers exist...?

[@acuriousmind6217]

same goes for every role; if my team is bad I can't win type of argument is asinine.

[@glenndiddy]

​@@milzhereyes, but try getting ahead on Kayn, Kindred or Graves when you can't gank, can't invade, can't contest objectives and also get invaded yourself. Being a carry jungler in a game with 3 losing lanes is actually depressing. Any other type of jungler has a better chance of getting shit don't in that scenario

[@natanstunes]

@@milzherelee sin nocturne kindred elise nidalee viego etcetc

[@glenndiddy]

@@acuriousmind6217 not true for mid and top at least. If you hard gap top you become a monster to deal with. Same goes for a fed midlaner like a 5-0 ahri, akali or fizz. They can actually just solo carry

[@wolfzy2914]

Harder❌️ Less easy✅️

[@Antixandros]

Jungle has more impact but it is also the least consistent of all roles. It is the only role where you can play pixel perfect and still lose a very high percentage of your games. You don't have to interact with an enemy laner but you still have to outplay them mentally. (Macro)

[@Antixandros]

You play pixel perfect toplane worst case scenario you are the highest or second highest level in the lobby. You play a farming jungler pixel perfect you have to give topside or die and dont have prio to invade so now you need to go afk for a minute until your camps respawn.

[@Krulfar]

I'd arguee mid is first before jungle and support. It also can have pressence in all lanes and it affects the jungler directly as mid prio heavily affects how much a jungler can impact the game.

[@Malam_NightYoru]

The thing is that mid prio is usually caused by jungle impact. You could say the same about bot and how their prio means a dragon, or how top prio means you're getting that extra tower pressure with herald. It is not that simple, because all of those are coordinated by jungle/support. Your advantages going into the midgame are in the hands of the jungler and the support.

[@j3nki541]

As a midlaner I somewhat agree. Jg and sup being at the right place at the right time is the biggest indicator on how well the game is gonna go imo. I think mid has bigger impact than support, at least early, since most mid champs have cc and more damage than sup, but midlane impact falls off throughout the game. Toplane impact grows as the game progresses tho. A good splitpusher is exhausting to deal with and if your toplanes macro is worse than enemy macro, in the late game you feel it the most and they can really make you play their game. So for me its: Early: 1. Jg 2. Mid 3. Sup 4.5/. Adc/Top Mid: 1. Jg 2. Sup (for vision) 3. Mid 4./5. Adc/Top Late: 1. Top 2. Adc 3. Sup 4. Mid 5. Jg Always depends on champs, who's fed and game progression of course.

[@IceWraith101]

in higher mmr , mid roams alot less. They place a high priority on not missing xp from waves.

[@a.v.y8331]

@@IceWraith101 I think it depends on the champ you pick as well. super high waveclear champs or higher mobility champs will of course roam a lot more often in the midgame after their waveclear kicks in, whereas more immobile or lower waveclear champs tend to stay in mid to stay safe. having tp or global ults also affect this a lot of course. I think in higher mmr mid overall roams less due to a lower concentration of "fuck it" assassin players, you know the ones who sacc waves to dive bot for free kills and such.

[@DownForceSimRacing]

​@@a.v.y8331really depends on the champ. I can promise you challenger akali players are sacrificing farm to snowball by feeding bott lane. Just how you play the champ considering almost every midlane champ out farms akali

[@a.v.y8331]

@@DownForceSimRacing I can see that happening, although akali is actually a surprisingly safe midlane champ considering range. dshield + shroud makes it weirdly hard to land anything on her and it's not that hard to go even out of lane. although yes, a lot of akali players will still go for the snowball since playing akali from ahead makes you feel like a god. the thing about akali is that she's also very decent top since she has mobility and low natural waveclear with high all-in waveclear which is pretty conducive to a top lane matchup.

[@DownForceSimRacing]

@@a.v.y8331 ah yes its not about it being safe. I think ive died to less than 5 ganks in the past 100 games akali mid. However there are many champs for example ahri who will just permashove you all game and eventually gap u in just straight up cs. You can make up that disadvantage with some good well timed ganks come back to lane and be in a spot to be able to 1v1 again.

[@SsS-dt7fk]

Mid-Jg “Same impact” Supp Adc-Top agree with the bigpiggy

[@thecroatianlad882]

Does this guy do coaching?

[@abbatrombonelol]

100 percent facts. Might bump GM to masters for Top vs adc

[@RanterGMR]

I completely agree. Facts.

[@robinberner122]

THANKS

[@noahkolar8625]

Top mains sell all their agency for 25 mins in the hopes it turns into them being able to 1v9. A valiant proposition, but what ive found is its still impossible to carry with two items at 20 mins if you have 100%kp 😂

[@joaobraz2]

Good answer

[@goodfaker358]

In my opinion a good midlaner will always have the best impact potential if he played right. No matter the matchup u can have any impact whenever u want

[@rhedamakhlouf9748]

Well it depend of the match up, the jungle, the ganks, etc. And you cand do nothing about it. When as jungler, no matter the match up compositions, you will have to play around the strengths and weaknesses of your's, and the enemy team, everytime. That's why a good shaco jungle can carry game in 15 minutes if he is good enough. Cause, no low elo player will know what to do against it. When as solo laner, you 'll have to get help from jungler or make roamings to comeback. Wich can mean, if you are loosing... first tower midlane down in 15 minutes, jungle open, free counter jungle and roaming for support top etc.

[@DaoistReader]

That applies to every role which is why Alois ranked them the way he did. At max potential a jungle has the most impact by far, support second since it impacts ADC, midlane for roam potential, then Top/mid for same reasons Alois said. Max potential is what he ranked on. Midlane wouldnt be the most impactful by those standards, objectively speaking.

[@pablouvedoble]

Mid diff is real. In fact, mid is also jungler's enabler (invades, objectives), so I would say mid is more impactful than sup, at least up to Master.

[@hazza04]

I believe supports enable junglers as well. The difference being that supports will also enable mid laners to go for kills at mid.

[@pablouvedoble]

@@hazza04 With invades, I 100% agree, but they lack DPS to help on objetives, and low elo sups never visit topside... maybe not even midlane!

[@ocskopf]

As a jungler main I agree, kill every laner and enemy jungler so my team can have a lot of tempo where they can prepare to feed the enemy back into the game, losing us a won game 🤡

[@Bongobjork]

Dota 2 player used to roaming support role not knowing the meta in lol has a huge impact

[@peterwurst6942]

what does that even mean

[@evilracoondog]

​​@@peterwurst6942 I've been thinking about that sentence for some while now.

[@Lurchstavo]

Mind you I don’t have much experience in Dota. I have noticed supports in Dotas do everything. They’re not adc supports. They roam constantly. They go to jungle camps , waves , every lane. At level 1 support can go top mid and jg. The support isn’t supposed to leech much exp from the ADC Where as league you stay bot. So I guess not knowing the meta in lol He just roams nonstop and is never bot and wins Dota 2 supp is the jungler lol

[@guelcalmon]

i think he yes saying that in league we have an actual role that has a similar gameplay to the roaming Sup he is talking about: the jungler. They dont have a focused jungler on dota 2

[@aminuddinkassim6643]

​@@Lurchstavoiirc there are 2 types of support, soft and hard support. Hard support usually helps core to manage lanes, wards. Soft support is the the one who roams alot and do menace in other lanes.

[@qe1025]

In midlane you often times play 1v3 if your times does not help you in the same way the enemy does and because your in the absolute middle of the map even the toplane can sometimes have his way with you when his lane isnt doing too hot.

[@amilcarsafeca7629]

Well this is only possible because Support and Jungle can roam, tho I also think mid lane is very impactful, you can play opposite to your jng if you’re doing well and secure jungle objectives, + mid prio is necessary for invades, scuttle, drag and baron, but that just might be my bias talking

[@AuslanderViko]

Perkele Hatmandu?

[@TehMAC]

" Hell yeah "

[@IceWraith101]

And thats basically why I play jungle.

[@dominikkowalczyk3845]

Doesn't top lane have more impact than adc anyways, because toplaners are less reliant on teammates and get the same amount/more gold and definietly more xp?

[@user-ur2dx6fo3d]

Thats why higher you go, ADC become more impactful. Its likely you will have at least a decent sup/jg you can play with and if you are good then you can just kill everyone including the feed toplaner. Thats why top players in the ladder are jg and adcs the most, they just have more impact= more probability of carrying the games.

[@Supertoddy96]

Bot is probably 5th because generally you won't have tp but if everyone is playing structured then it's def higher than mid

[@herpderp66]

I love jungle to death.....but my laners are worst players I ever seen. I can't impact their lane or get objectives when they are 0/5 in 10 minutes. 75% of my games are like this. I don't know what to do anymore. About to go back to top lane and split push to wins.

[@burgir180]

Used to have that issue back in season 6 when I played JNGL. The solution for me was to completely ditch that role and play mid... At least one lane is more likely to win when I'm the one playing it 😅

[@renshartsuiker9629]

Funny, im support main and i'm being held hostage every game by a jungler who doesnt do drakes or barons, while we need to kinda snowball our botside lead because the enemy toplaner is 6-0

[@milzhere]

Skill issue. Find the lanes you need to prio, path around them, outpace and track their jg, prio the obj you need, work on tempo to outfarm their jg and gank more, find and apply the wincon. There will be games where laners feed, but if you are having trouble impacting the majority of your games, that's a you issue.

[@acuriousmind6217]

saying my "laners" are bad as a jungler makes no sense it is the equivalent of saying my team is bad which is a futile argument anyone can use.

[@acuriousmind6217]

@@milzhere no different to saying my bot is bad or my mid is bad, I am like yeah sure carry your games or be 50% winrate hardstuck

[@mattbrw08]

"The role I play is the hardest to win" - every league player at every role

[@ferrous33]

Clearly a jungle player right here

[@Mr10inchs]

@@ferrous33 adc player*

[@MattHatter360]

Low elo it's 100% support, but from plat+ support gets a lot easier since people generally know what they're doing. At least this is my experience.

[@Mr10inchs]

@@MattHatter360 nah not support, low elo and junglers or mid laners are still important, although any role can carry at that elo

[@quess_]

carrying game 1v9 as jungle is immposible

[@maximbosch2469]

Support more broken thenn jungle.

[@algame3]

I play top quinn and strat roaming with level 6 and leave the tank top play solo

[@Flowstate19]

Can we fundementos na, I would like coaching in top. Renekton main

[@joonas_7738]

True but top depends on what u pick if u play like fiora obv easy to carry but when u pick like a tank u need team

[@wigglytuffgaming]

Perfect

[@ENIYM-Y]

Iron to Plat u can 1v5 if u space correctly as adc with a good mobility (just dodge if u see mao or vi)

[@Gabriel-bt7ix]

So the role with more carry potential is Midlane in almost any elo

[@Mr10inchs]

jungle is more tbh.

[@Gabriel-bt7ix]

@@Mr10inchs Kinda, but way harder

[@Buaam]

Jungle is hell to play when laners coin flip nonstop

[@liberphilosophus7481]

Yep, easiest way to lose as a jungler is if the laner you're pathing towards dies before you clear (before 3 min).

[@Mr10inchs]

@@liberphilosophus7481 ong, its so fucking annoying when its been a minute and ur adc has already been first blooded

[@matejanikolesku4200]

Explain maokai having the most wr on adc in challanger in eune

[@zoo3696]

Guys where is Alois why he dont stream ?

[@nemesi2663]

As a top laner.....Always jungle diff ❤

[@lifeisanutshell2422]

As a jungle first gank top min 23 ❤

[@Apoz]

Mid>jung>support>top>adc. Really not a difficult metric. Jung is useless without mid aswell.

[@W1ndyyyyyyyy]

Lol no, jg is more impactful by far

[@BattleBossZeri]

Support has more impact than jg cuz jg has to actually farm

[@grimlok3487]

Ranged top laners: 👁️👄👁️

[@xuantranvalverde2298]

I doubt it. I would say jungler and mid is alwats the best. Mid can also roam and he can go elder Drake top or bot jungle bot and jungle top. And he have tons of dmg and some mids also utility.

[@Kill3r360]

Yet sadly has a jungler I can be really fed yet lose cuz my team is dumb and not using the advance we have, not pushing, not helping on obj, etc so I'd say you can't win only by player jungle you are really team dependable

[@alshegardy92]

Support is the only role

[@zoharllera1696]

Thats literwlly my tier list, buf it doesnt say my skill lol, i lost 260LP in 1week

[@Toxic20178]

This is all truth

[@Arden747]

Adc just feels awefull low elo. I am relativ new to Lol and low elo and always feel like if your solo laners are losing lane you cannot do anything anymore cause their midlaner just have so much mobility that they will always kill you if you push up at all.

[@j3nki541]

you get a whole map to farm tho since nobody ever catches their waves. With kayle I managed to hit gold the first time just from afk powerfarming everything that moves

[@KingSkrull]

Facts💯👌

[@MemarGameChannel]

If support leaves lane u get ur ADC leaving the game ff 15

[@pandora8999]

Must disagree: winning toplane as a champ of that roster is completely different story than win as a midlaner

[@Immortal_Mentor]

Here's a secret for ya's. Never Duo as Jungle and Mid when climbing in low elo. Those two lanes are designed to get other lanes ahead right? Heres the problem, you can't trust your other lanes.. literally ever. If you want to climb out of low elo, duo top mid, mid support or Top support. YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF YOU PLAYING A CARRY

[@toedo9015]

Mid and jungle can both carry, what are you on about? There's also no need to play a carry to climb, just play well on your role/champ.

[@kyquocthangle4501]

​@@toedo9015no you play to have a consistent high win rate in order to climb, game in rank is mean to abuse the most effective strats, hence the name meta came out. League is a strategy game in that your objective is to destroy enemy Nexus, not perfecting champs over strats (macro >= micro) 😂

[@NewMetaTV]

The only duo better than mid jungle is supp jungle. Mid jungle literally can 2v8 every single game

[@toedo9015]

@@kyquocthangle4501 No? Plenty of Challenger players are OTP's and many play offmeta picks. I agree, macro is more important than micro, which is why champ knowledge is so important. You can't do macro well if you don't understand what you are supposed to be doing with your champion. Personally, I climbed to Masters from Iron in one season as a Shen OTP, which is by no means a carry champ (he can in low elo, but not really plat+).

[@IL_Bgentyl]

What’s funny is jungle and support are treated like the most useless. Good luck having teams rotate/gank for a jungle and good luck getting recognition/help as a support. I’d say diamond and blow people prioritize adc>mid>top>jg=sup

[@Nemuresa]

A good support is way more impactful than a good jungler/midlaner/toplaner/adc. In my humble silver/gold opinion. Idk if you remember when T1 was climbing to challenger on each role. The easiest role was support. So if you want to HIT a challenger just play support and be good at it. But if you want to BECOME a challenger than you should sell your soul. 😂

[@vadim8068]

you don't really understand the game as a silver/gold. The main difference between jungle and support is that support is way more easy to play (so everybody can play it without doing shit),you can ditch your lane if your ad is bad,and if you know any laning in high elo you know how to roam,to manage wave,to trap(starting master),but that got nothing to do with impact,you can play an artillery mage scalling for 30 min without dying and having 55%winrate,if you're locked mid you have 0 impact in the game : Impact is when you decide the way the game is played,and jungle have ressources and possibilities that other lane don't have : dive/gank/countergank/invade/drake and voidgrub

[@getgudcyber924]

Easiest != most impactful.

[@vadim8068]

@@getgudcyber924 is your brain fucked? A role can be hard but way more impactfull,mastering something and the effect it has is 2 different things

[@alfreynope5660]

Top is also very matchup dependent. If you get hard countered there's very little you can do to have impact besides minimizing losses.

[@thebruh9515]

fundamentals🤓☝🏻(we love ur content)

[@zoo3696]

My junglers dont agree with you Alois 🥴

[@rainbowBaNANI]

Well, actually he does. Impact has nothing to do with carrying the game. The jungler can both have a huge impact on the winning of each lane and have no impact at all by being absolutely useless, so just proves the point

[@zoo3696]

@@rainbowBaNANI Bro i just kidding,chill

[@Devlishonsite]

I rather have my adc and support do nthing all game then negatively impact my game 9/10 times at least in top i can get towers as 0/2/1 and contest objectives way better than my 3/8/2 combined support and adc. They at time feel nonexistant

[@tdmlecso384]

i think its iron-master but maybe "low" grandmaster

[@gespenstderverzweiflung3914]

it's the laners jon to win his lane tho. other players are not your slave. it's SOLO QUEnot pro play

[@emberstrife6855]

Carry potential and impactful are not the same though. Jungle can be super impactful but your still putting the games in other players hands at the end of the day and that's a coin flip.

[@j3nki541]

That goes for every role tho.

[@emberstrife6855]

@@j3nki541 yes but jungle is weak you can be 6-0 with 700g shutdown on your head and be the same level as the enemy to laner who is 1-2-1

[@Sanityisdown]

OK but in low mmr under emerald i think adc is better. If you play good in lane you can go easily 1v9. In my game i dont play Aatrox and riven and go 1v9 with tanks is much harder.

[@crepit1413]

I disagree, as adc most of your lane is decided by supports.

[@nayosum343]

I got do diamond 1 as jungler, then I started to play top, came all down to emerald 4, and I even won top most of the time. It was painful to watch these bad junglers, but this truly shows the jungler is best to main if you wanna climb and if you are actually good at the game. Even if you are pro you can't climb with any other roles if you solo Q, IDGAF yes I said it. Good jungler is a MUST have to win games...

[@Spidove]

or maybe it's because you had to relearn how to play the game by playing a new role

[@patatjemayo5533]

If your midlaner sucks it snowballs to the jungle cus the jungler cant make anyplays

[@soulsemblance3163]

I am going to do a prediction. Jg supp mid top adc

[@impactpremium1053]

No it's just mid lane.

[@rahulxcr]

Sad life of ADC

[@scp079thesorcerercomputer2]

I had a jg duo. A chilling smite viewer. Now that he quited I understand what is jg diff.

[@rickyhall1478]

I'd argue that mid is second before support

[@karimgoudy]

As a jungle main, I fear sup diff than any other lane. Sup diff makes the game a lot unbearable and annoying.

[@rickyhall1478]

My reasoning being that midlane can influence the entire map, from a centralized point in the map

[@dogukanmericsoy1818]

Mid forced to have prio to do that and support is more free about roaming. And mid prio is not even giving midlaners that much of a time. So i would say support has more impact because they have more freedom to be impactful.

[@rickyhall1478]

Touche I can see your point

[@michaelmitchel3471]

​@@dogukanmericsoy1818I would say it depends on the support, and Elo. A low Elo soraka isn't gonna roam, while any midlaner can put pressure on both sides of the river. But if the support is more skilled, they will know their roam timings, thus more impact

[@jannbrodersen5941]

Midlane is dogshit since the minion arrival changes

[@quaderex3420]

I would put support higher in terms of impact than jungle simply because how difficult it is to erase supp from the game and how often jungle fìghts are determined by which supp moves first. When I mained jungle and saw that my supp would be sitting bot jerking off with Yuumi while enemy Janna, Rell, Naut etc were roaming I literally wanted to play russian roulette with a fucking MG-42.

[@error4ik614]

jungle is the weakest role. if your lanes lose = you lose

[@milzhere]

If your lanes/jg lose as another role, you lose AND have less impact. Jungle has the most impact and influence, most agency around objectives and map control, etc

[@natanstunes]

That’s how any role works you doofus, if all 4 of your teammates are losing you’re probably gonna lose. Thing is, in top or even adc you cant change the outcome of your teammates game basically until the laning phase is over, while as a jg you can be anywhere at all times and win the game for your team

[@check9094]

Jungle is not the strongest (for solo carrying 1v9 which is the typical soloq playstyle to climb). You are down 2-3 levels by default compared to solo laners and the gap only grows as the game progresses. If you need to carry the game with a bad team, probably top is the strongest option.

[@milzhere]

If you're ever more than 3 levels behind a later, you're doing something wrong. Early game junglers are almost equal in level and gold. Jungle is by far the easiest to carry.

[@dartog4967]

Lol spoken like a true not toplaner

[@natanstunes]

Surely that’s why all the boosters play rengar and hecarim jungle right? Because its so hard to carry 1v9 in the only role that allows you to choose exactly what fights to take

[@username-ql8ox]

Impacting doesnt mean carrying😂😂😂 It just means the ability to most influence the game. Carries need 2 to 3 items to start carrying while junglers can determine who will carry the game by the 15th minute mark.

[@juampi99990]

he never said 1v9 he said impact, its different you can be a jungler and have the most impact in the game while having 2 kills , theres a difference between impact and carry potential.

[@Aznerep]

No jungler agrees. Laners usually blow every lead you give them. Laners have more consistent impact. I think your videos prove that.

[@Eternity-l7m]

Sup jg mid adc top

[@jannlobatom5227]

It is always a jungle diff

[@gnoomlord]

na jungle is a shit role now

[@Katalina_baketsu]

i was ok jgl fair i think if he said fkcing mid and not supp i'm gonna get mad said support is the next by default for him nothing else to say just thank's alois to tell this support player play janna and be afk on lane when they can perma roam or the famous gank jgl supp mid at 4 min and your support is dancing on bot and doing nothind and when you said plz ss or follow the roam of supp he just tell you to ward and be better xd

[@Real_extra_1]

In challenger adc probably has more impact than top and support honestly.

[@shadowslightly6759]

Iron to GM is WILD. How could you say that ADCs are only more impactful at the challenger level??? That just seems so unrealistic

[@betivanul01]

it is true

[@crepit1413]

He did not say that. He said iron to gm adc is the LEAST impactful role. If we afe ranking something, there has to be a highest and a lowest. Adc being LEAST impactful doesn't mean it has no impact whatsoever.

[@jhinvadealt]

​​@@crepit1413 he is meaning Adc is at least more impactful on grandmaster etc too. so Iron to GM is really a wild take from Illaois

[@hazza04]

Alois is implying that adc can't impact the game without a good support and jungler, where as Top lane relies on themselves and a jungler. Having two roles to rely on is rare, but in challenger, you will have higher chances of support and jungle mains on your team, making adc more impactful than top lane.

[@UltraDumbass]

Adc cant 2v8, if they have an assasin (a.k.a. midlaner who is a bruiser, tank, assasin and engage) you are done for. Bad support? Gg. U are just too squishy to survive

[@renshartsuiker9629]

won lane as adc. Tower down and 5 kills maybe a drake or 2: All worthless when you meet the 0-5 eenemy toplaner who is still 2 levels ahead of you despite having done everything wrong

[@check9094]

If you are 2v8, I'm assuming that means you have a support who can peel you.

[@Mingo31194]

Remember guys MVP of last world was Zeus top laner

[@user-oy6zi2rl9r]

They played around him

[@soul0172]

doesn't have any bearing on the conversation lol

[@fenrirxivi]

ok and?

[@HSE331]

Oner won the 2v1 and the 2v2 matchup for him lol

[@lemonscentedgames3641]

pro play could not be more irrelvant to solo q. Theres a reason only low elo players reference pro play when talking about solo q

[@justinslogar5770]

Low elo is iron to grandmaster lmao I should stop playing this game

[@souranis]

For someone who is supposedly all about fundamentals you seem to know none of them for jungle

[@Okami400]

He has gotten challenger playing jungle lmao. You’re coping.

[@souranis]

@@Okami400 oh good so he should know you cant be in any lane whenever you want!

[@tatkapayleyar9932]

​@@Okami400 Wait he has? Did he stream it or upload videos of the climb? As a jungle main, i would definitely like to see that!

[@crepit1413]

​@@souranis "Because he is able to go to any lane" which jungle can infact do, way more than adc/mid/jungle. Rarely will you see adc roaming top, top roaming bot, mid roming both top and bot more than jg ganking. The outcome of the game is decided mostly by those who can impact how lanes do other than their own.

[@souranis]

@crepit1413 that's such a low iq arguement. There's a reason the only ganks" you see in competitve at the top level are corridinated dives usually with at least 3 ppl.

[@Dystopie173]

Bro doesnt know what statistically means^^

[@CC-CA-MFC]

Jungle players are the worst players in league. Change my mind

[@MayOrMayNotBeWorthMentioning]

Do you play jungle? I play jungle mainly but I bounce around all roles to keep things fresh. I hover around gold because of this. Jungle has by far the most pressure on them. Defensive and offensive macro, priority lanes, objectives, being everywhere at once, etc. So ultimately, one jungle misplay can change the course of the game for worse, so it's really easy to say they're the worst when they have 15 things that can go wrong, but lanes really only have 1 thing that can go wrong, maybe 2(bad farm/inting). So you just have a longer list of reasons to blame because they have a longer list of responsibilities. No one needs to change your mind, you should probably just try jungle and change it yourself.

[@ryanmueller4997]

this comment screams iron elo lmao

[@HamsterPants522]

Jungle is a different game. Playing jungle role is skillful, but it's a very different set of skills compared to laning.

[@CC-CA-MFC]

Junglers feel they are entitled to all the credit if the team is ahead. They avoid all the blame when the team is behind. True sportsmanship right there

[@Okami400]

I would argue it goes both ways, they are the worst and best players in league. They are either cracked and 1v9 the game or they are boosted and solo lose game. No in between. It is very rare that jglers go even or play consistently. It’s always hard gap one way or the other.