White's MP Boots Models, Lasts and Sizing Comparisons

[@22tango79]

From the Pacific Northwest IMHO, gotta say Teik is the best boot reviewer in the world. In his naturally disarming presentations he understands and notes the importance of multiple side by side comparisons, talking lasts and vamps, and how different boots might or might not fit you. Now I’m ready to visit my boot store…the smell of grail-boots is in the air.

[@igylan]

This is such a useful sizing video sir. I can’t wait to buy my first whites boots in about 20 years. Thank you!

[@dyersnider5406]

Another great video. In my opinion, you are quickly becoming one of the best boot reviewers on KZbin.

[@dalebasista63]

laughed out loud with the handshake analogies, absolutely brilliant!!! gotta be careful when shaking hands with a large hairy man!!!! lmao

[@onesri6108]

Finally, I purchased a White MP boots. I am so proud of myself 😊. I started with a brown pair, and want a black one 😍

[@averagejoe4101]

I started with black cxl, and now I’m trying to choose b/t the natural tan and the British tan cxl

[@fistofice]

Very glad I could get a good personal overview of many of these boot’s lasts and fit. I found the handshake analogies to be very effective!

[@DtongPyo]

Excellent video. And I think you might be the only boot guy that mentioned Brannock "to the ball of your feet", 22:07. Many makers only have sizing guides based on overall heel to toe length, with no mention of heel to ball, which is a major (and probably more important) part of Brannock sizing process. Just one thing of what drives me crazy about boot sizing. Another thing, as proven in the video, is that makers will just arbitrarily offset their sizing from Brannock. If you have a sizing guide that says "we're a half size down from Brannock"... well then just relabel your boots! And then there's the foot tracing... have 3 different people trace your feet and you'll get 3 different sizes...

[@Bootlosophy]

I know! When I wear a maker’s 8 but I measure 8.5 why not call the darn thing an 8.5?

[@patohara175]

Such a great boot reviewer, solid video, great work! 🤙🏼😎

[@shibumammen5224]

Appreciate your detailed reviews very much including sizing and fit. When in doubt about sizing for a brand, I look to see if you’ve done a video. I found your Whites sizing guidance very helpful!

[@darrenhall7454]

I love these size comparisons. Extremely useful. Thank you. 😁👍

[@darrenhall7454]

I’ve referred to this video several times over the past few months and it has been so useful. Great idea to do these size comparisons. 👍

[@dhellraisa]

Great video.Very informative. Super calm, clear, knowledgeable. This is the kind of video that made KZbin such a nice platform, allowing folks with different personalities/interests to get a voice and audience. Keep it up!

[@ericmikkelsen]

I love listening to you... Such a pleasure! You are so articulate and do such a fine job explaining and reviewing 👍 Well done

[@dalebasista63]

outstanding sizing comparison at the end, you have done a service to the boot community!!!!

[@Bootlosophy]

Thank you Dale, coming from you that means a lot!

[@seths.8135]

Just the fact that you got three different pairs of White’s makes me jealous lol same as you, those boots are my grail. Love the video 👍

[@IBWhisk]

This guy is awesome. I had some questions about White's MP line and this answered all of them. Thanks!

[@mattblair2224]

Great video Teik, thanks for such a wonderful explanation across the sizing front. I also consider the MP a grail boot and hopefully soon will have a pair on the way.

[@delroyefemini6320]

This video has come in so useful as I’ve just purchased my first pair of Whites cheers 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@rauri1077]

Good video mate. Really enjoyed the comparison section. I have the grant stone brass boot, and diesel on the way. Ended up going one full size down and one width up (10.5 to a 9.5E). Very useful videos, you for some great eBay finds there

[@bigolpancake9136]

This is an excellent video. I own mulitple pairs of Thursday Boots and have been considering a pair of White's for a long time, this is tremendously comprehesive and helpful. Thanks!

[@Gabe_Dewey]

I’m the same size as you. A 8 D in the Thursday captains and an 8 D in the red wing blacksmiths. So this was a great comparison for me. Hopefully one day I can afford the whites mp! I’ve spent too much money this year on boots 🤣. Thanks for the great video!

[@JamesMinerTattoo]

so happy to find your great channel🎉

[@curtshelp6170]

Your expression of fit is the best I've seen on KZbin. I'm an 8.5 Brannock as well so I feel as though your analysis will be very helpful for me. I haven't checked yet but if you have interest in Danner Bull run laced boots go true to size but EE width. Unless you want the very comfortable Chelsee which fits true.

[@dalebasista63]

glad to hear you got such great deals on those, ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL pickups Teik!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Theheritagetribute]

Very good review Teik. I will definetely use this for refference when getting my MP. Cheers

[@a51nx]

Your videos are so valuable. I just wanted to say thanks for putting in the effort into making videos on sizing. It's always a complicated topic and differs a bit between brands. I have one question - do you know if White widths D and EE alter the length of the boot? Thanks again! Hope you have a lovely day :)

[@Bootlosophy]

They are proportionately altered

[@PumpingLead]

Great video. I was questioning if I should size up in width even though I size at 9.5D brannock. Feel better after watching your video.

[@casuallyworked]

those natural cxl looks so good!

[@alexperez3651]

Great video! Thank you for being so thorough. I think I’ve got the MP bug that you do now! Will be checking out the rest of the channel. Also, your voice and manner of speaking is very satisfying as well

[@maine18]

Great vid! Would love to see so Viberg videos.

[@Bootlosophy]

I’d love to OWN Vibergs 😂😂😂

[@HaiPham-sx8gb]

Your videos are very informative as usual. Great video!

[@ericmikkelsen]

Thank you for your thoughts

[@UnknownUser-rb9pd]

This has been very useful. I take a US 12 in Thursday if I want a snug fit (thin socks) and a US 12.5 for thicker socks and have a mix of the two. Other brands I take a UK 12 and even UK 12.5 as it is length and height in the toe box that matters. I have been considering the White's boots and it looks like a US 12 will work for me in both lasts as the extra length over Thursday will be ideal,. Some brands like Viberg and Grant Stone I ideally need a US 12.5 but they do not do that size and only do a 12 or 13 which is annoying when you are spending more than budget prices. I have a "snug" pair of Vibergs and a loose pair of Vibergs.... Anyway, thanks again for a very useful comparison.

[@kaustuvbhattacharya1449]

Would love to see some side by sides of the MP in the 55 last vs the MP (Barrie) last

[@ethanbaran6158]

Just ordered some mp-sherman cap toes in dark brown WF. Super excited for them to arrive!

[@zalee49]

great video. hope you get more popular and keep making great content

[@harlanhaung]

Your review is really helpful on sizing, thank you Teikoh.

[@Brayden-c9o]

Love the knowledge and the passion!

[@mm64030]

just bought a pair of Smokejumpers in 8D (normally I'm a size 8.5 but I went down a size since whites run a bit bigger). Now I'm itching to get a pair of black chromexcel MPs

[@williemurphy2421]

They are comfortable as you said.

[@williemurphy2421]

I went half size down from Brannock based on manufacturer advice and yours.

[@andrewh6034]

Great information, well presented. Thank you.👍

[@brentconley4547]

Fantastic review! Thank you!

[@rauri1077]

Can you do a size/last comparison between grant stone and red wing?

[@Quiet1-y9x]

Excellent presentation. Thank you.

[@erichagen8053]

The White's 55 last in a 7D fits my 7.75D foot perfectly. I'm probably going to order the MP last in a 7D also. Truman's in a 7.5D fit really well too. Bras boots in a 7D fit perfectly. I sent the Leo last (Diesel) in a 7D back for a 7E. I'll get them in a few days. My Nicks in 7.5D are just a little long but very wearable. Thanks so much!!

[@anthonyguzek8262]

Hi Teik. I love your reviews. Just wondering how you view the Whites MP vs the Parkhurst stitch down boots. I have a pair of Parkhusts and always admired the MP Sherman from Whites.

[@Bootlosophy]

@@anthonyguzek8262 quite different builds. For their type of build, each is at the top of my list. Parkhurst is closer to Vibergs’ post 2010 builds, and I think they compare well.

[@billybob7088]

Love it...I think I'm going to go with a 8D, maybe.

[@onesri6108]

I finally bought myself a White MP and love it. Please do a video on how to take care of them. 😊

[@Bootlosophy]

What leather? If it’s CXL I have a video conditioning them.

[@arthur3545]

I love this channel!

[@jesusbarajas8067]

I have tons of Red wings and they are obviously great boots but just got my first Whites 350 cruisers and its night and day the build and quality of the PNW boots

[@utubekebs]

I have 2 of these MP Sherman at 7E perfect fit. My captains and iron rangers are both 7.5D. The soles aren’t glued very well at the toe, as I have broken them off from tapping the tip. Had to resole both pairs.

[@ro5omax]

Thank you, great video! Could you compare Parkhurst Allen to Grant Stone Ottawa?

[@kakitling2191]

Enjoy your videos a lot, please continue the good work. One question, do you know the difference between cruiser and MP Sherman?

[@Bootlosophy]

I don’t know much about the Cruiser. My understanding is the construction is exactly the same, but in design one is definitely work boot based, and the MP was White’s answer to the Viberg Service Boot, but based on workboot processes.

[@kakitling2191]

@@Bootlosophy thanks!!

[@kakitling2191]

If I wear Thursday boot with size 9 E, what do you think the right size for me for White MP boot?

[@Pujabie]

i don't see any reviews of the white's CMP- Sherman boots. I'm very interested because they have the arch support

[@Nathan-zw7nq]

I have some 350 Cruisers and some Fulton Moc Toes. I am a 10.5 EE on the Brannock and find for both boots the 9.5 EE fits just right.

[@Bootlosophy]

Really, a full size down? No pinching or shortness in the toebox? I wonder if EE gives more comparative room than D.

[@Nathan-zw7nq]

@@Bootlosophy it does, the EE also increases the amount of room from the insole to the vamp, and my feet are a bit short for the width. I guess really it would be more a like a 10.25EE but I round up because 10 is just a bit too short. With a 10EE in most boots I find there is too much space in the toe box and my feet slip around a bit. With 9.5 I find I have that thumb width of space and the width fits perfectly as well. Fits like the Proverbial Firm, but friendly handshake. It’s why I mostly wear traditional boots instead of modern shoes because modern shoes are all either too big or too small for my oddly shaped feet. New Balance is the only shoe maker that makes shoes that fit me well. But those are just for jogging.

[@owenyoung3580]

Love your boot reviews! Just watched all your MP boot videos, I appreciate your detailed sizing suggestions. But I’m still unsure about which size to order( I’m a brannock size 10D on my left foot and 10.4C on my right foot. Plus I have a skinny heel and relatively low instep, so I’m worried that if I go with 9E the heel might be loose. and 9.5D might be a bit long…😅

[@Bootlosophy]

I really think your best bet is to contact Whites or Bakers Boots.

[@alexbaca8705]

I hope one day we can get you opinion on the Nicks Americana. Then compare these two.

[@DesmondConnolly]

Question now that we are a year on from this video being made... did you have any luck getting your 7.5D to stretch to fit through normal wear? How are they getting on after all this time? Thanks! Love all of your content-plus we are the same size, so your advice on sizing (for any boot, really) is always well taken. 🙏🏼

[@Bootlosophy]

Not much stretching. The length was ok, and in fact not tight in length. They are comfy and not tight, even width wise, but the laces definitely do not come together enough. I think I’m right in saying that I could go down a whole size from my Brannock (8.5 to 7.5) if I go up in width (D to E)

[@brentconley4547]

Unrelated to the boot review but may I ask about the opening to the video where you say that you recognize the traditional custodians of the land…is that a requirement of some kind? Thanks

[@Bootlosophy]

No, it is not a requirement. In Australia, Aboriginal First Nations People have only just recently received some sort of reconciliation and recognition of their previous habitation of the country. In fact, they were not even citizens until 1965 despite serving in both World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam. Recently, it has been recognized as a respectful practice to recognize their culture, one of the cornerstones being Caring for Country, and the practice amongst the different nations to wait to be invited on to Country, and then to acknowledge they were on other traditional custodians' Country. I have worked with Aboriginal people for over 30 years and I feel that the respect for their cultural practice is well-placed and timely. To that end, other Australian institutions like Qantas and the ABC (our public broadcaster), and many publicly listed companies, have also taken this approach as well as governments and local councils and shires.

[@minnesota-hk1vp]

I’m really starting to like sizing videos for some reason lol!

[@williemurphy2421]

I'm an 11.5 D so I got the 11 D and good room in front of toe. Boot trees used everyday.

[@davidcallan7844]

0.4-0.5 cm or 4-5mm in length is equal to a have size in length. I can go up a half size if the toe is unstructured. That’s my TTS of 9D brannock in unstructured toe, otherwise I’m an 8.5D or 8E in boots.

[@averagejoe4101]

Which pair do you favor between the natural tan cxl and the British tan cxl? (Not for size or fit). In terms of the one that is more versatile or color you gravitate to the most? Im having a hard time choosing between the two. Thank you for everything you do 👍🏽

[@Bootlosophy]

@@averagejoe4101 British Tan for sure

[@williemurphy2421]

They offer D and EE widths.

[@leifforrest]

I'm interested in what you think about the comfort of White's MP's compared to say, the Thursday Captains or Vanguard. I wear a pair of Nicks Builder Pro daily (from the same family tree as White's and very similar construction techniques). The breaking in, of a pair of boots with so much leather, was really a bear, but once they finally molded to my feet, they are like firm supportive gloves for my feet. The most comfortable boots I've ever owned. Did the second-hand White's MP's feel comfortable to you, was the comfort of the footbed "close enough" or did your boots need to be "re-broken" in (if that's possible)?

[@Bootlosophy]

It’s the difference between an old wine and a young wine. Break it in to your feet and it’s super comfy forever versus comfy now but not forever. I was very fortunate in getting a pair of lightly worn boots - already broken in sufficiently to allow my feet to take its shape

[@leifforrest]

@@Bootlosophy Thank you for your response, I appreciate your insight.

[@solomonganz]

One more question 🙏🏻 I’m buying a White’s MP Sherman and struggling with what size to buy. I’m currently an 8.5 in my Crockett & Jones, 8.5 in my Trickers, 9 in my Truman’s, and 9.5 in my Adidas Stan Smith for context. White’s website suggest a 7.5 (!) based on their foot measurement guide but that seems small to me. Considering your knowledge and experience, what size boot would you say I should order? Thank you!!!

[@bobobobobobo1]

Great video. I have been looking into grabbing a pair of White's MPs and I am wondering how they compare to RM Williams Comfort craftsmen and Thomas George Freo/Turon boots? Thanks.

[@Bootlosophy]

Wow! That’s a ver varied comparison. They feel nothing like RM’s, completely different build. They’re way better than TGC because of all the leather underneath.

[@451]

Thursday boots are soo aesthetic. Love the look more than some $300 - 700 boots.

[@ericmikkelsen]

Does the 55 last provide significantly more arch support than the MP last?

[@Bootlosophy]

Quite a bit

[@albetherechillin]

Those leather bracelets are cool. Where can I get some like em.

[@Bootlosophy]

Dalesleatherworks.com or @aerosurferlv on KZbin and Instagram- tell him I sent you!

[@albetherechillin]

Thank you. 😊

[@qltyboots]

Hope i don’t messed up ordering a pair of whites and two Truman boots in 10.5. My feet measures 28.2cm. And Size 10.5 in Iron Ranger is 28.5.

[@JRRob3wn]

How did it work out? I just received mine (I also wear a 10.5) and they seem a bit long with a slight bit of heel slippage.

[@Banlara1702]

I take it from the video that sizing is very different even when it comes to different models of White's boots. But in general how does the sizing of White's compare to that of Doc Martens? I have two pairs of Doc Martens (which I realize are of cheaper quality) but I already know my fit there (which is half a size down from what I usually wear). Are White's Boots sized comparibly to Doc Martens? Should I get the same size to start with and see how they fit, or are they very different?

[@Bootlosophy]

I don’t have DM’s so I can’t help I’m afraid

[@davidrobertson4186]

Did you experience any quality issues with any of your whites boots?

[@Bootlosophy]

See my Fulton review

[@stayhappy2532]

Compare with Thursday, Captain and mp sheraman barry last with the dainite sole versatility is same as Captain. what you think cuz I really like the captain but the quality is the problem also i like the mp but some time it’s look like chunky boot .

[@kimdaniel33]

Is the 55 last a big improvement to long standing comfort vs the Barry/MP last. Interested in this boot but unsure if the arch support improvement is worth the change in style between the lasts.

[@Bootlosophy]

I’m not sure (with my feet) I feel a “big improvement” but I find it more comfortable through the day.

[@vhockada]

I snagged a size 8.5E MP-M1 brown CXL off EBay for $330 usd after taxes and I’ve fallen deeply in love and feel my previous endeavor with Thursdays offerings are over. I feel Whites boots are so much more superior to Thursdays that I would rather save my money for Whites. Do you have a similar feeling or do you still buy sub $300 boots? If you understand that buttery soft yet thick leather amazing hefty feeling I get from these MPs, can you give me other boots recommendations with a similar construction?

[@Bootlosophy]

I buy various makes for the variety. Take a look at Truman boots

[@vhockada]

@@Bootlosophy my concern with Truman’s is the well know lack of arch support in their lasts. Which I’m not a fan of

[@MichaelE.Douroux]

I'll bet people interested in the top brands of heritage boots would be willing to pay a reasonable fee to experienced local cobblers who would know how to accurately measure their feet for the specific brand's peculiarities they are interested in. For example, I've got my eye on a pair of Viberg's Service Boots but making the trek to Canada from South Florida for an on-site fitting on top of a pretty steep price is just too much. And at these prices, I don't want the stress and hassle of ending up with the wrong size.

[@vhockada]

I don’t know if you mentioned but how is the arch support on the MP last compared to the Captain? I ask because I have a high arch and I feel most my shoes have no support including my captains

[@Bootlosophy]

Like chalk and cheese!

[@JRRob3wn]

Just received mine and they had pretty shocking quality control issues that would be unacceptable on a $200 boot let alone a $700 boot. Reaching out to their customer service tomorrow. Sizing seems a bit long and there’s a little heel slippage, so I may size down as well.

[@Bootlosophy]

What were the QC issues?

[@JRRob3wn]

@@Bootlosophy Deep indentations running across the entire toe cap of both boots, I’d say about 20 of them on each boot. I’ve never seen anything like it before. There were also other scratches on the sides of the boots, but those looked like they would buff out. Additionally there was some staining from the dye on the stitching, which isn’t a huge deal, but they ARE $600 boots. I called their customer service number and Taylor was very helpful and discussed sizing with me. The boots are longer and narrower than my 10.5 Truman’s. With that in mind she recommended I go with the 10E instead. Aside from the issues I mentioned, I can tell that the construction is a step above even Truman’s, so hopefully the replacement pair fits correctly and has no issues.

[@Bootlosophy]

@@JRRob3wn Those deep indentations sound crazy

[@JRRob3wn]

@@Bootlosophy It was very unusual, almost like they had used scrap leather for the toe caps. This boot collecting by mail order can be quite the journey that’s for sure.

[@JRRob3wn]

@@Bootlosophy Finally received my replacement pair and quality is excellent. I love the look of these boots - toe not too pointy or too stubby - just right. Going 1/2 size down in wide is spot on for me. The original 10.5D was too long and too narrow for me. I wear 10.5 in Parkhurst, Truman and the White’s PNW last, 10E in the MP fits exactly like all the above boots.

[@davidelizabeth4933]

What's your Brannock length, arch length, and width? Thank you!

[@Bootlosophy]

8.5, 8.5, D

[@davidelizabeth4933]

@@Bootlosophy Thank you, Sir! ❤❤

[@jeremysano5170]

55 Last for the win!!

[@qltyboots]

I use a red wing in 10, will whites size 10 fit me?

[@Bootlosophy]

I think in the MP or Barrie last you’ll need to go a half down and one width up. On any of their other lasts I think you’ll be good.

[@qltyboots]

@@Bootlosophy I ordered the Cutter in 10 E from whites. That’s the 55 last. I also ordered two pairs of Truman in size 10, I hope they will fit me also.

[@Bootlosophy]

@@qltyboots the Truman will be fine

[@kakitling2191]

Is there any arch support for MP boot? Just a little bit or close to none?

[@Bootlosophy]

Are you kidding? They are fully built up with leather and have incredible arch support. All PNW boots have mind blowing arch support, some say too much

[@kakitling2191]

@@Bootlosophy Thanks.

[@richardz4630]

Oops, i ordered a pair of mp last from white's with the same size as my iron ranger, looks like i choose the wrong size😂

[@Bootlosophy]

If your feet are like mine, reasonably average with slightly wide ball of foot, you’ll be fine. Maybe a pair of thick boot socks might be necessary 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@JRRob3wn]

How did it work out?

[@likearc]

Did whites balance your heels well? I have a pair and the heels aren't well balanced and cause some pain.

[@Bootlosophy]

They are fine

[@a0910908176]

我的White買7E尺寸 因為我的Red Wing 大多是7.5D 結果 White7E太小了 是不是你其他鞋子買太大了 你因該同品牌降半號 在去做比較 而不是在這裡亂說 因為 White的鞋子我發現 皮革更厚 裡面前後有多層設計 導致外表 看似一樣大小 其實不然 妳因該要注意到的😵‍💫

[@jaynern]

Sell to me that 7.5D British Tan…

[@wecanjump7512]

Ah, now I see why my comment was taken out. Well, good luck to you. Buy Nicks, my fellow boot aficionados. They are what White's used to be.

[@vhockada]

Wouldn’t it be amusing if he trusted eBay so much so that he bought very expensive boots he thought were Whites brand but really they’re really good knock offs and he lives his entire remainder of his life loving his fake Whites boots and he’s none the worse for it. Lmao

[@Bootlosophy]

“He” doesn’t really trust eBay but I’ll do my due diligence on each boot on post (how to buy on eBay video coming up!). And man, you cannot fake the heavy all leather weight of Whites, we’re not talking Timbs here for sure!