White Scars vs Iron Warriors - The Horus Heresy (Battle Report)

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// ARMY LISTS BELOW \\
Allegiance: Loyalist
V: White Scars
Rite of War: The Sagyar Mazan (WS)
+ HQ: +
Centurion: Psychic Discipline: The Storm's Fury, Stormseer
. Stormseer: Artificer Armour, Cyber Hawk
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. . Exchange Bolt Pistol for Force Weapon: Force Staff
Centurion
. Praevian: Artificer Armour, Cyber Hawk, Nemesis Bolter
. . Bolt Pistol
. . Power Weapon: Power Glaive
. Praevian
. Vorax Battle-automata Maniple: 3x Lightning Gun, Vorax, Vorax, Vorax
Centurion, Cataphractii: Heroes Never Die (Loyalist only), Warlord
. Command Squad, Cataphractii
. Delegatus
+ Elites: +
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
. Contemptor Dreadnought: 2x Combi-Bolter, Gravis Chainfist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon
Destroyer Assault Squad
. Destroyer Sergeant: Power Armour, Two Bolt Pistols
. . Power Weapon: Power Glaive
. 4x Destroyer w/2x Bolt Pistols, Chainsword: 4x Chainsword, 4x Two Bolt Pistols
Ebon Keshig Cohort: Grenade Harness, 5x Kharash
Veteran Squad
+ Troops: +
Assault Squad
. Legion Assault Sergeant: Power Armour, Power Fist
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Chainsword
. Legionary w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe
. Legionary w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe
Despoiler Squad: Inductii
Reconnaissance Squad
Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour, Power Fist
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. . Power Weapon: Power Glaive
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bayonet, 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
+ Fast Attack: +
Falcon's Claws: 8x Falcon's Claws, 8x Pair of Lightning Claws
. Falcon's Claws Champion: Cyber Hawk, Lightning Claw, Thunder Hammer
+ Heavy Support: +
Heavy Support Squad: Lascannon
. Legion Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
. 3x Legionaries (collective): 3x Bolt Pistol
. Legionary w/ Options: Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol
Heavy Support Squad
. Legion Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
. 3x Legionaries (collective): 3x Bolt Pistol
. Legionary w/ Options: Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol
. Missile Launcher (with frag, krak and flak missiles)
Allegiance: Traitor
IV: Iron Warriors
Rite of War: The Hammer Of Olympia (IW)
+ HQ: +
Centurion, Cataphractii: Herald
. Herald: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Chainfist, Legion Standard
Warsmith: Stoic Defender, Warlord
. Warsmith: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Master-craft one weapon, Thunder Hammer
. . Warsmith
+ Elites: +
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
. Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Autocannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Meltagun
Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
. Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Autocannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Meltagun
Iron Circle Maniple: 4x Domitar-ferrum
+ Troops: +
Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Shrapnel Bolter
. 18x Legionary: 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Shrapnel Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Legion Vexilla, Shrapnel Bolter
Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Shrapnel Bolter
. 18x Legionary: 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Shrapnel Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Legion Vexilla, Shrapnel Bolter
Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Shrapnel Bolter
. 18x Legionary: 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Shrapnel Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Legion Vexilla, Shrapnel Bolter
+ Heavy Support: +
Iron Havocs: Bolt Pistol, 6x Iron Havoc
. Iron Havoc Sgt: Artificer Armour, Nuncio-Vox
. Missile Launcher
Legion Medusa Squadron
. Medusa: Hull (Front) Mounted Heavy Bolter
. Medusa: Hull (Front) Mounted Heavy Bolter
Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad
. Siege Master: Power Fist
. 4x Tyrant w/Power Fist: 4x Combi-Bolter, 4x Power Fist

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[@konradhuusom1814]

That is an absolutely beautiful white scars army. So damn crisp

[@SNBattleReports]

🔥

[@Don_Juan89]

Yes, allways agree. At least two 15-20 Man Tac Squads should be mandatory for every HH Legion List. It is how the game should be played!

[@Knekt-u7f]

Unless you play, say blood angels. Then equal size of assault marines instead 😊

[@SNBattleReports]

Agreed

[@SNBattleReports]

Yes sir!! The only way

[@PvtCryan501]

I'd also settle for despoiler squads or assault marines

[@abbadonslostarms-kbd1393]

It's why I like the cthonia missions. They have more objectives and push board control. Too many in main book are just sit back and shoot with fancy units for three turns then if you have to, run on to an obj by t6

[@benjaminbrenner745]

Oh gosh that white scars army tho :) Thank you guys

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s 🔥

[@Marcus-es5of]

Recently cancelled my membership to another premier toy soldier channel to sign up to yourselves now you’ve gone full heresy !! Keep up the fantastic work 😎

[@SNBattleReports]

Amazing to hear thanks!

[@padanfain7466]

Great Battle Report. Felt snappy. I can see already the focus on HH is having a positive effect on the quality of content.

[@SNBattleReports]

Much appreciated!

[@de_polignac1108]

Not a fan of the new format, would like to at least see the combat rolls.

[@SNBattleReports]

Perfect thanks buddy

[@mantistobogganmd5231]

Great video as always, i definitely prefer seeing all of the dice rolls. Ads more drama, love the banter when someone does a great roll or terrible one. I prefer the longer videos 👍🏻

[@SNBattleReports]

@@mantistobogganmd5231 thanks buddy and yes most have said the same

[@pt1457]

Love the new format. Fists full of dice definitely bog it all down, especially for the player filming. I do enjoy that you do still show SOME dice rolling though so I feel you found a good balance. I think you should experiment with a few more videos using this and if the fan base REALLY isn't feeling it then go back to fist fulls of dice. As a video editor myself, and a fan of shorter batreps, This format is very satisfying.

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@giovannidistefano8486]

I like this format guys!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks for the feedback

[@TheDiscobeef]

Format worked really well. Still managed to show just how good Scars can be and all the different units.

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you enjoyed buddy

[@aidenodonoghue]

Iron Within! Iron Without!! Just started watching and already I love the extra shots of the individual units.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks buddy

[@venoms.kennedy5178]

It is been a while since watched a HH BR 'cause im more into the old world at the moment but geez those white scars are so beautiful! I am hooked again only to see more of them :D

[@SNBattleReports]

Welcome back!

[@leviclark4305]

Not getting to see the rolls and watching the actual tide of battle turn as things go well or poorly kind of wastes the entire point of watching batreps. I really enjoyed this channel but the new ones feel very lacking without getting to see the hype of whether a blast hit where it was intended or drifted back into you

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s just this game buddy 😂 we mention at the start it’s a test format and to let us know what you think. No stress we will be back to normal format 😃

[@AndrewPeverells]

This was an absolutely amazing game! Super interesting fluffy lists, beautifully painted armies, a bloodbath overall. Congrats on the win! I really hope I can bring my Thousand Sons to the next SN No Retreat in May. The Prospero nerds don't get much love nowadays, it would be their time to finally shine!

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you enjoyed it! And good luck with your No Retreat application

[@OzzyStoke1]

Sorry Pardo, another who prefers a longer format, the intros are lengthy so it’s well under an hour for the actual game. I’m sure for most who don’t have much free time it’s better, but not my cup of tea. That being said - this view is in the minority :)

[@SNBattleReports]

Same as me

[@eccentricbear]

Liked the new format guys - I think the trick is to pick the one most interesting/important shooting and combat per turn for the ultimate format! (Which is more or less what you did).

[@jamesfletcher597]

YAY! Phil's batrep finally made it on!!

[@SNBattleReports]

🙌🏽

[@tryingtodobetterotto9616]

Great narrative battle, and I agree beautiful to see all the tactical squads. As far as format, this was totally fine, but I do really enjoy more the classic recordings seeing almost all the combat rolls.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah seems more like the normal format

[@joshburgin4379]

@@SNBattleReports I think at the very least I'd like to see most of the save rolls, I think a target of about 90 minutes seems to be my preferred length for a battle report

[@75blackwolf]

New format is nice, though I'll watch either way :) As another viewer stated earlier I too have cancelled a subscription to another high end batrep content channel to throw my support your way now that your just doing Horus Heresy, keep up the wonderful work! :)

[@SNBattleReports]

This is so good to hear thanks

[@gregoryjwalters2385]

I miss some of the shooting rolls. Think there’s some drama to be found there. Also the dice “battle” between the dreadnoughts bears more investigating. It really held my attention. Adding some more drama to important close combat seems like an awesome idea., between leaders/hq/primarchs etc. those quick rolls brought out the spirit of the contest

[@gregoryjwalters2385]

But also big fan of your work. Your content is an important part of my work day. So thanks for all you do

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks for the feedback buddy

[@TheTurbanatore]

Amazing white scars army, never thought I would see one without a single bike!

[@SNBattleReports]

Amazing isn’t it

[@mjrange1]

Great White Scars army wow! Much prefer the long format myself - far more immersive and interesting, a bit clinical without it - just my 2 cents 👍

[@SNBattleReports]

Perfect feed back thanks

[@RandomPostAppeared]

Armies look great especially the White Scars, thats just an awesome color scheme. On the new format not much of a fan of this style. Works for the movement phase but for shooting and assault really prefer to see dice rolls and saves. Never been a fan of moving armies around then doing clips of units missing after a phase. Makes it look clippy and I want to feel that tension of hoping a gambit pays off. It's OK say for blasts and maybe an insane amount of shots into a unit to skip and say what ever happened.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks for the feedback. It’s not a new format just a tester 😃

[@OmegaIdiot]

I NEED to know source of those bits and bobs for WS cataphractii. Please. I Beg you

[@SNBattleReports]

Haha message Phil on Instagram

[@danielkochis5133]

New format is alright, but I do miss the drama of seeing more of the dice rolls. Hearing that 15 5+ saves were made isn’t the same. Still incredible work in either format 👍

[@SNBattleReports]

Agreed and seems most think the same thanks for the feedback

[@yurybarsukov6166]

Like and comment to support the channel as usual) p.s Tyrant siege terminators is definitely my favorite unit of Iron warriors

[@SNBattleReports]

Good choice!

[@macdog6731]

Kind of boring,not seeing what is going on. To back to old format and 're upload this using old format

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks for feedback

[@greener266]

I say I do prefer to see some dice rolls. Adds to the drama and suspense. I reckon keep to the normal format as my personal opinion.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah it’s been the most comments people seem to like the classic version

[@imshotgunwillie]

Not only do I prefer the regular length, I even wish those were longer! Dice for the dice game!

[@SNBattleReports]

Haha fair enough

[@Critimmun]

Gorgeous armies and a really nice format. Love your work

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks champ

[@notnubilous3804]

That's a very interesting Scars list!

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you think so!

[@scribblinks]

'Absolutely' brutal, great White Scars army ❤

[@SNBattleReports]

🔥

[@DevilsBrushGaming]

Great to see big squads on the field gives that real feel of a heresy battle

[@SNBattleReports]

The best way to

[@crwarren]

Definetly prefer the longer format videos... I don't want you skipping combat rolls.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks for the feed back

[@dannydepp69]

Amazing boys, tho I do like seeing y'all shoot x

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah most have said the same buddy

[@nathanwright7154]

It breaks my heart to see the Iron Circle get smashed. Every time I bring mine they are flattened. Love that you charged with Tyrants, I feel people forget they are also terminators with fists.

[@SNBattleReports]

@@nathanwright7154 Ive actually been doing very well with the iron circle you can see in the other games

[@crwarren]

Jump packs only run 2d6 not 3d6... Cavelry run 3d6.

[@SNBattleReports]

Ooo need to check that again then

[@generic_sauce]

Love seeing some iron within and iron without!

[@SNBattleReports]

Iron within brother!

[@raphie8488]

Great armies, great game, but i prefer seeing the rolls.

[@SNBattleReports]

Perfect thanks buddy

[@SonOfTerra92]

Wrack and Ruin legion trait +1 str vs automata.

[@SNBattleReports]

Niceeee

[@ortegaja0704]

Beautiful armies and a great batrep!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Boss

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

Ere we go !! Ere we go !! Dem iron circle gots dem shiny bitzzz 😁😁😁

[@SNBattleReports]

Waagghhhh

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

I much prefer to see the dice rolls.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Steve

[@shendu1337]

i prefur the old style. i want to see the dice rolls and seeing when what units target another etc. feels more like a battle report to me and less like a pictured story like it is currently.

[@MassMultiThomas]

Hello, loved the armies and really liked the discussion at the end of the game. The debrief of the game is a really nice thing and I did enjoy that a lot. I must say that I am not keen of the new format. The dice rolls add so much to the experience and not having them is really taking a lot out of the enjoyment of the videos in my opinion. Makes the battle report less immersive. Lastly, thank you guys for the great videos. They look great and it is always a pleasure to see one of your production. Keep up the good work guys :). Oh, one last thing, you need to bring Angron on the table ;). Take care

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Buddy. Great feedback, this was only a test though not the new format

[@MassMultiThomas]

@@SNBattleReports One last thing. It also would be cool if the players could go through the rational behind their list. It's always cool to learn the theme and why they got this and this models. Cheers! :)

[@cutfromstone754]

Love me some IW. Great report guys

[@SNBattleReports]

❤️

[@Thedagda801]

Settling down to watch with a nice cup of Earl Grey Tea! Superb!

[@SNBattleReports]

Very milky right?

[@Thedagda801]

@@SNBattleReports yes and with bergamot, delicious!

[@Red2Productions]

Hai Chogoris! For the Ordu Jaghatai! Great battle report, thanks guys. I think I prefer the longer version, I like seeing the shooting.

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks Buddy

[@nathanvarley542]

Definitely prefer the longer versions as it gives us more time to enjoy those amazing armies! Great battle report with another excellent guest 👌 Keep bringing on guests please 🙏 it was also really good to hear the thought process behind the armies at the end of the battle. Thanks for the great content

[@SNBattleReports]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@coldpsyker1354]

I don't know how feasible this would be from a video editing perspective, but maybe film every dice roll; but only include it in the final video if the dice roll way above/below average? I enjoy the "live reaction" as it were to the really good/bad rolls. But otherwise I like this format, only showing the "important" dice rolls makes things flow a lot smoother.

[@SNBattleReports]

@@coldpsyker1354 thanks for feedback

[@vitaliyred622]

White scars with this Right of Wat is utterly busted, we had Word Eater players, who just droppped WE because White Scars are just better. Meta aside, these are AMAZING white scars!

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🤣

[@crimsonknight7011]

I love your armies. Out of curiosity, where did you get that banner? I’m trying to find a nice sized banner but everything I got from GW has tons of decorations molded on it which I don’t want.

[@SNBattleReports]

The Iron Warriors banner??

[@johngray7894]

Just wondering where in the rulebook it says that multiple units that are using the sweeping advance rules don’t add their initiative if you could reference page number please

[@SNBattleReports]

Will check when I’m back in the studio but it’s on the same pages

[@whiteslann9154]

Awesome game, like the new format! Beautiful armies, love the white scars

[@SNBattleReports]

It’s been like a half and half with the format

[@patrickelrod8987]

I think the rolling adds to the excitement, just my opinion.

[@SNBattleReports]

Agreed

[@jamesespinosa690]

Holy moly!! The White Scars army is incredible!!!!

[@SNBattleReports]

Thanks buddy

[@Raditz102]

Loved this battle report, would love to see some thousand sons as well!

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah hopefully we have a guest come down with them soon!

[@danimm2831]

Gran informe! Es curioso ver cicatrices blancas sin vehículos

[@SNBattleReports]

Gracias

[@mooncake5287]

Quick thing guys you can’t be pinned by a reaction. Prefer the old format but good game

[@SNBattleReports]

Sorry buddy this is wrong you can get pinned it’s under the pinned rules in the book

[@mooncake5287]

@@SNBattleReports well I wanted to be all ‘I’ll think you’ll find…’ but it looks like you’re right. I’m sure I read that too.

[@raphie8488]

Something that bugged me for a while now, the terrain placement. I compared yours with Winters and noticed that yours are most of the time placed in a more clinical, symetric way. Quite often in the same way. With many open areas with a larger blocking piece in the middle. Dont get me wrong the terrain looks great and thematic, but to me, Winters terrain placement seems more organic and is not only part of the narrative, it forms it. It is more impactfull.

[@SNBattleReports]

Sorry I’m a bit confused with this can you explain a bit more.

[@raphie8488]

@@SNBattleReports How do I explain it. Your terrain placement has not a lot of impact on the game. It is less narrative, more like the typical tournament placement. A suggesstion, what about a stream about the terrain? Maybe it is just me, but that way you can perhaps gather some suggesstions for possible improvements. Another one, because I lack a bit in the properly explaining my thoughts department, watch some of Winters Horus Heresy Batreps. Even if it is just the first few minutes where he shows the battlefield and compare it to yours. Assessing differences, benefits, drawbacks and impact on the game and different army lists/types.

[@SNBattleReports]

@@raphie8488 yeah problem is when it’s not even we have hundreds of complaints

[@raphie8488]

@@SNBattleReports Hundreds? thats a lot. But certain people tend to complain more then others. I would have not written anything if I had not watched one of Winters batreps right after yours. You can't please everyone (completely). Just do your thing. But I still think you should make a stream about it.

[@holydiver539]

get back to old world 👻👻

[@SNBattleReports]

😂

[@floonyshobbytime9589]

Arent you playing brutal wrong on 38:10. One of the domitar häs two wounds left you should roll the saves separetly as Brutal 2 does 2 wounds to one model if you fail both saves.

[@SNBattleReports]

Yeah correct did we do that differently? Weird if we did

[@floonyshobbytime9589]

@@SNBattleReports yes. Pardo rolled 4 dice together. Failed 3 of the 4 saves. Then said these saves dont carry over. Took 2 wounds off the one domitar and removed it.

[@SNBattleReports]

@@floonyshobbytime9589 weird that we did 4 wounds together will check later thanks. Phil is a great player as well weird he didn’t catch it

[@SonOfTerra92]

Similarity between SN battle reports and tennis players? They both serve.

[@SNBattleReports]

(Bows down)

[@punchyMiddleEarth]

Are you guys still doing Old World?

[@SNBattleReports]

@@punchyMiddleEarth not at the moment maybe in future

[@punchyMiddleEarth]

@@SNBattleReports awww sad. Is it not worth the channels time?

[@SNBattleReports]

@@punchyMiddleEarth Sadly not

[@TheRealActualPaincake]

Around 1 hour is good for this type of BatRep! Personally, I like to see even shorter ones. I don't mind losing the banter in exchange for story telling and summarizing actions.

[@lancsladgaming7146]

Wow what a low blow, reply to my valid comment on your channel tier video and then move the video to members only because of the bad feedback so i cant reply. So here is my reply. Are you saying by making us pay to join your whatsapp chat instead of keeping your discord open your not trying to force people to pay for community engagement? For the same access i had before the changes i have to pay £9.98 a month instead of the £3.99 i was doing before. Like i said before i was a member for i think 8 months before the changes so i have a right to an opinion. Its great to see that you silence criticism with underhand tactics but your fine to let people praise your content. I like your videos and they were some of my favourite battle reports but for a small channel your doing a good job of alienating your viewer base.

[@SNBattleReports]

What are you on about Buddy? What’s the anger about wow

[@SNBattleReports]

You do know Discord is still there and free right?

[@realsnice]

Discord is free, exists, and is active. The video is public, not member only and I can comment on your past comment from my non member profile. The whatsapp is a new perk and really is a totally different experience from a discord or other communities. If you watched any of the videos youd know why SN made their changes and if this allows for more content, more often, and more focussed, then I'm here for it. If its not your cup of tea (no one is making you do anything) then so be it. Talk about underhanded, look in a mirror with your straw man argument. But based on your attitude im in no rush to cross paths on discord or whatsapp for that matter and hearing all your justified opinions :)

[@lancsladgaming7146]

@@realsnice the video is now in the SN+ members area which it wasnt before today.

[@adamthompson7038]

Hey man, what’s with the anger? The discord is still live and active and isn’t going anywhere as far as I know. The upgrade on YT is a streamline of the memberships due to going HH only. I’ve gone from £3.99 to full access AND Patreon and dude it is worth every penny. That being said, it’s optional. If you don’t want to have that exclusivity, you don’t have to. People are still chatting in the discord :)😊