White Supremacy: Same Dog, Same Tricks-Time to Change the Training | Russell Ellis | TEDxSUNYGeneseo

[@johndonovan7897]

I'll say it again: when one is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

[@Riley0509]

Smartest comment on this site!!

[@SH-jv5uf]

Yes. It’s human nature to think something is being taken from you rather than just given to others. That’s why this is such a hard thing to eradicate. Look at the leadership in Congress. They would rather get in bed with white supremacists and maintain their ‘power’ than stand for democracy. That’s how foul racism is.

[@waynewhite2314]

Therein lies the opportunity to nobly do what you actually do not have to do but choose to out of you own inner greatness.

[@redpillpusher]

@@waynewhite2314 the nobility you speak of is the exception not the rule just like this guy. we are creatures of culture and tradition we hold on to them like addicts and their drugs. While Individuals who somehow realize the immorality of their culture or tradition is obviously a good thing ...the effort and sacrifice required for fundamental lasting positive change goes well beyond the mere self realization of a few individuals.

[@redangel6206]

And, accountability feels like persecution to them.

[@piotrekszczepanski5125]

This is hands down the best talk on the subject of racism that I have ever heard. The honesty, the insight and the bravery to challenge the world you were brought up in... you have inspired me. Your delivery of the talk was excellent. I hope your words reach millions - we will have a better world if they do.

[@MrJimbissle]

I just watched 'The Lie that invented Racism' , another Ted Talk, before this. I highly recommend it. Its well worth the few mins and it is valuable knowledge on the subject. Powerful stuff too.

[@Wolf-hh4rv]

Nah just the same old stuck record spewing out woke ideas with no intention of dealing with how different racial groups view each other. Why. And we are going to move forward from the facts.

[@tommaraist8052]

Tripe

[@johnf517]

@@tommaraist8052 who the cap fits, let them wear it…

[@Spaceghost87x]

🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯

[@olimpiagutierrez9579]

Wow, wow, wow! I don’t normally comment anywhere but this speech really touched my heart. I’m Hispanic and moved to South Carolina for a year in 2017. The reason I spent only a year over there is because the racism I experienced. It was very sad and I felt helpless. We need more people like this, opening the minds and the hearts of those who need it, and spreading the love in his message. I absolutely love the speech.

[@saChiro4life]

Can u share specifically some of the racism u experienced?

[@draelynn]

@@saChiro4life - why do you need to know?

[@johnbaptist3857]

@@saChiro4life I doubt you are a therapist, we don’t need gaslighting to invalidate peoples traumas on experiences just because you can’t relate. No amount of words can help you understand, ask people in person see how that goes. Demon

[@michelleflora2957]

I am so sorry for what you experienced in South Carolina. ❤️❤️❤️

[@cruzvarela9254]

I'am so glad you opened your eyes.

[@iamraymckenzie]

This material should be shown and discussed not only in the classroom, but also as part of ongoing employee training. It'll probably never happen though. Thank you Russell for being courageous enough to speak my truth - a truth that so many deny as reality! Get uncomfortable people! You can't legislate morality!

[@hjc5457]

This material should be shown and discussed in all church denominations

[@iamraymckenzie]

@@hjc5457 Amen to that!!!

[@the-voiceofone]

This is teaching material standard.

[@ca6177]

We only wish!

[@jevaughn6198]

Cultural Competence

[@buddhalovechild]

I grew up in north and south carolina in the 50s and 60s and can verify what this man says. I still carry a streak of racism that I will sadly never fully eradicate. I carried more than a streak until I practiced medicine for 30 years and in that experience I learned everyone carries the same needs and hopes and dreams. I watch my children who are fortunate to see no divide. I still learn daily and i am optimistic. I agree with Mr King, together we all thrive, divided we all fail.

[@betzib8021]

Yep...same here. He's so right.

[@eboyd2478]

Thank you for your honesty

[@heathenthatheretic5960]

I admire your honesty but are you sure you're not mistaken your "racism" for biases?

[@buddhalovechild]

@@eboyd2478 You are welcome. I think all solutions begin with honesty. Hate and all its forms including racism is grounded in fear, usually unfounded. Recovery is the same as recovery from any delusional mental illness.

[@buddhalovechild]

@@eboyd2478 You are welcome. Please see reply to the reply after you. Fierce honesty takes courage but leads to a certain wholeness.

[@romelllane7583]

This is very refreshing that someone with his upbringing is able to see through the lies that is RACISM... you are appreciated Jolly Good Ginger...

[@onetime8702]

💯 facts!

[@tonyt8805]

🎯 💯 🎯

[@masterlee9822]

When the left talks about ending racism its normally about reducing Caucasian numbers and bringing about their extinction out of a hatred of whiteness making it more about white genocide then anything else.

[@kandipoopipants1794]

Read Thomas Sowell books if you'd like some true American history. :)

[@migbham1]

@@kandipoopipants1794 YES!!!!

[@divinecomedy0]

This Ted Talk should be compulsory for the government, employers, hospitals and schools. He makes so clear in his talk that doing nothing and saying nothing will accomplish nothing and will result in no solutions stopping generational racism....equity and inclusion. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

[@pholland8353]

I think his father was Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, Jeff Sessions, Ron DeSantis, Gregg Abbot

[@mrtonod]

100% but the drive is toward banning the truth, vote and get everyone you know to vote for democracy.

[@Temulon]

"He makes so clear in his talk that doing nothing and saying nothing will accomplish nothing" Of course. You can listen to all the fiery and flowery speeches you want, but at the end of the day nothing will change, and it never will. You need to recognize that there are too many people in positions of power that benefit from the existing system and are adamant and relentless about it continuing. This is the power of old white money.

[@drcowan3468]

Yeah... just like Critical Race Theory. SMH. You pseudo-intellectual liberals are shockingly delusional.

[@jollyrodger5319]

100%

[@gw7768]

From Nairobi, Kenya listening to this and finally being able to explain what I see

[@dougfitch3649]

One of the best speakers I e ever seen on any topic! He is amazing and I’m glad he has dedicated himself to this. He is sincere and truly knows from his own upbringing.

[@yourlogicalnightmare1014]

And projects it onto everyone else

[@youvegotapointthere4359]

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 This is not a personal attack on you. You don't have to be a bigot to benefit from the systemic racism in the U.S. Racism is a tool used to give advantage to one group while suppressing the other(s). It's not a character trait. This video and others like it are calling you to fix the system not beat yourself up because of your skin color or what your great grandfather may or may not have done.

[@deeznutz8320]

​@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 And Cucked whites think its the way foward

[@TheSimonge]

Truth comes before reconciliation. Well done Russell.

[@ferrynpalmer3875]

Yes it does. We can WORK with the truth, we can't do anything at all with lies.....let alone break this viscous cycle of institutional racism.

[@criollitoification]

@@ferrynpalmer3875 I agree with you wholeheartedly, but such lies are so prevalent nowadays that they've become consensus amongst the masses, whereas the truth is constantly, almost habitually derided as non-truth. Personal discernment (an ability to judge between right and wrong) has been replaced with heard mentality, and this is one of the things that depresses me the most.

[@dedication666]

It may be too late. If it takes this long (hundreds of years) to civilize a savage beast (by actions), is it even worth it?

[@ROYALP100]

He (Unlike some) understands that this way of thinking will destroy ultimately America not make it better...

[@kandipoopipants1794]

Read Thomas Sowell books if you'd like some true American history. :)

[@hotrizod777]

One of the BEST TED Talks I've ever watched. Thank you!

[@josephfigueira813]

One of 👏👏

[@rondesantis8618]

The issue couldn't have been explained any simpler or clearer. Bravo! I feel like I now have the tools to argue this case with anybody.

[@asherhouseman6838]

You mean you have the tools to steep yourself in White Guilt.

[@kevinbowers7159]

You don't have the proper tools.

[@Victory987]

I'm an Englishman and I have no horse in this race, but I can say without a doubt. We won your 1776 independence. Bravo 👏

[@KINDaf]

@@Victory987 Dear Englishman. Hu? Are you saying that yes, you are the source of American racism? You were the ones who originally brought slaves right?!? Glad to clear that up and you taking responsibility for it. How's all that racism in your country going? Still have that colonial mind set eh?

[@lilmoe4364]

Good comment, strange replies 🤔

[@victorycounselingcenters323]

Love that statement, "we have standardized testing but we do not have standardized resources." That is fact! This speech was "fire". God bless Russell Ellis

[@haroldmanning2970]

He nails it perfectly and knocks it right out of the park. Every word of his is exactly the truth. He really cuts through the baloney.

[@liberalshaveitallbackwards4667]

Yes! Treat everyone differently based on their skin color. Great message.

[@lissettelopez8331]

I agree with the other comment. When you treat someone else different based on their skin color, it's called racism. This guy gets a pass somehow because it's against whites.

[@GoGoFiasco]

@@liberalshaveitallbackwards4667 A hit dog will always holler… 🙄

[@liberalshaveitallbackwards4667]

@@GoGoFiasco Pretty sure nobody knows what you’re talking about. lol

[@akeating1969]

Oh how I WISH this video could be required viewing in every school in this country!!! I applaud your honesty. You are a blessing, Mr. Ellis!!!

[@lindasmith9413]

Parents wouldn't like it

[@cheekyboy5000]

They'd call it CRT and ban it nowadays.

[@radi2173]

@@lindasmith9413 reps parents

[@johnchambers2996]

Yah, kind of like Nationalist Socialist race theory to the jugen.

[@soicybunny]

@@cheekyboy5000 ur right about that

[@sylviajohnson1165]

Thank you for breaking the "generational curse!" The truth must be told. Thank you so much 💓 💗 💛 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@mdavisco]

You, Russell are a student of Life and have passed the Lesson of Humanity, God Bless You Brother!

[@jollyrodger5319]

100%

[@donnabarney640]

This guy gave me a feeling of relief. When people speak the truth, you can feel it. This gives me hope that it can and will end.

[@yourcollegecourse]

Russell Ellis makes me feel hopeful about Europeans, too. You nailed it.

[@S.Pri8]

🎯 "When people speak the truth, you can feel it.".... EXACTLY! And that's why it's been said "The Truth Hurts"

[@Ripprock1]

One man against a nationwide system. Good luck to you sir.

[@paulgreene6899]

@@Ripprock1 "With God's Strenght & Speed"

[@mzafonte6840]

Just move to Ghana dim whit.

[@sawluke]

ABSOLUTELY Amazing speech!!!! This guy is what positive change looks like.

[@carollemon5641]

Totally agree with you

[@waynewhite2314]

The seed of it. Much work is left to be done....and it will not be easy. I sometimes say we are so divisive that it seem we need an invasion from outer space to unite us...but of course I do want to believe that accounting and actual nobility of values is increasing.

[@kandipoopipants1794]

Read Thomas Sowell books if you'd like some true American history. :)

[@jollyrodger5319]

100 truth as a southerner raised in Texas and Oklahoma he is 100% correct it's a learned behavior and generational

[@candaceyoung9369]

Yes he is !!! He should be President!!!!

[@fatman7916]

15 minutes of trauma to some but to others 15 minutes of truth.

[@timberwolfdtproductions3890]

Truth is truth. It only causes trauma to the dishonest.

[@ninadaly7639]

Trauma??

[@thomasluby1754]

@@ninadaly7639 Don't ask (about trauma). They are liberals and live in their own world. No truth was spoken in this video. Just leftwing propaganda.

[@fredleinweber2819]

this is only "truth" to completely brainwashed, twats

[@ronalddowdell1931]

I applaud his honesty. It couldn't have been easy for him to come to terms with this.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

He had no idea what he's talking about

[@benjamincrosby4350]

@@edwinamendelssohn5129 yes he did

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@benjamincrosby4350 talks like his do more harm than good.

[@kathen58]

@@edwinamendelssohn5129 What is it about truth that frightens you so?

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@@kathen58 The harm it does to those who need hope.

[@ricoreborn681]

This video is incredible. Why doesn't it have more views? Thank you, Mr. Ellis.

[@jenng7389]

you know why

[@mostunclean6619]

You know exactly why it doesn’t have more views. Most white people don’t want to hear this at all.

[@levmoses742]

It’s up to us to share. Pulse what Jenn G says above.

[@larrybillups5689]

You can always share it. It can go viral.

[@larrybillups5689]

@@mostunclean6619 They're are the ones he's talking about. It identity them.

[@pamelapope7053]

Bless your heart. If there were more people like you the world would be a better place for for all. There is no room for racism in this county.

[@missmorena1049]

As a BW, I've never experienced racism from any white person! I cannot say the same for "my communitay" tho. I've experienced colorism and hate! Stop letting people do magic on you! Seek truth!

[@t4t806]

Agreed ❤💯 🌎

[@anthonyile6840]

Thank you for this real talk, you were clear and blunt on this issue. Racism is really a big problem . How do we claim we love God and we are Christians, when we hate our fellow human being, created by the same God.

[@dawnf.2182]

Exactly!

[@DonDon45-i5h]

Christianity, along with every other religion, is fake

[@kathleenroberts6931]

Relijin was created by man to divide and control man. Most segregated institutions? Churches ⛪. It's really not hard, to just be kind 😊.

[@sfperalta]

Everybody should hear this. This should be shown in every classroom.

[@dayemassey1132]

They don't want it in school because they call this critical race theory. The truth

[@stefandwoodham]

No, this is exactly what doesn't belong in school

[@txhevsjrh3]

@@stefandwoodham Yes the truth will set you free, and those who are afraid of the truth should keep their head in the hole. Because you will be mentally dead.

[@sweetsweet2807]

@@stefandwoodham why

[@paulgreene6899]

This should be Called Critical Tactic Race Theories. (C.T.R.T.)

[@michelelynn5698]

Wow!!! Perfect timing that I found this! Amazing! I'll be using this in my Multicultural counseling course!!

[@timmungenast]

A superb talk by the man who “grew up in the belly of the beast”… and given at my alma mater, no less! We appreciate you, Russell!

[@bcyes409]

I’m a Hispanic white woman. In my country of origin I was of privilege and I didn’t know it. I moved to Berea, OH to study at 17. oh boy, I got a rude awakening. Most people were great and curious about my accent but some folks were cruel and put me down every chance they got, professors and students. That experience gave me lots of perspective and took a African American Studies class and changed my life.

[@finished6267]

Welcome to being Hispanic.

[@Findaway2day]

Yes, those rude awakings can be painful.

[@Trentberkeley86]

LatinX

[@deeznutz8320]

Being bullied for being white is a privilege?😂

[@stanleycarter303]

Only difference between blacks in America with enslaved ancestors and Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portugese countries is the languages the enslavers spoke! Everywhere slavery and colonialism existed have the same core issues!

[@rebeccaboudreau7589]

I’m giving him a standing ovation. I’ll add that I grew up in the 70s in northern Illinois where the racism was exactly how he experienced in the south, less the confederate flags. In school, we were taught subtly that we weren’t awful racists because we were northerners, but those southerners, man they were the bad ones. 🤦🏼‍♀️. Took me a few decades to be in the world and see that it was all over.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

Every teacher taught you that? I was never taught anything like that.

[@kevinpatrick5162]

I lived in East Texas, I know of which you speak.

[@migbham1]

@@Vermillion_Treezzz3113 Whoa, dude! You're telling my life story!

[@chuck7916]

As a native North Carolinian, he's right concerning this among the poor whites & rual counties. Alot of this is generational & fades from view closer to the triangle & triad. The eastern & western part of the state are still poor & slow to evolve, & the young are leaving those areas for modernity as the jobs have left those areas.

[@migbham1]

@@chuck7916 It was the same in very rural Alabama where I spent my childhood, and like the kids you described, I moved away as quickly as I was able. I've been away for decades, but I still hear the same sort of nonsense when I visit relatives (most of whom, have never been on an airplane) over Christmas holiday. I remember in very early grade school a very loving teacher pulling 10 year old me to the side and telling me that the N word was not a word that I should ever use, and helping me understand why. The word was part of my normal vocabulary as a child. And the culture back home in which I was steeped as a child has not changed. They are more quiet about it, especially when I and others who have moved away visit, which says to me that they at least know that it's not acceptable - even if they don't believe that it's wrong.

[@vwatts8738]

I am just seeing this post for months after it was posted. At the time 10,000 people have viewed it and only 196 people have commented most of which two applaud this Ted talk. This is a talk that should have more likes and I hope many many more shares. Thank you for this most revealing share on this topic. God bless you! I am sharing this and I hope others do as well

[@yosquidd242]

KZbin is a part of the systemic infrastructure in media. Don't think the reason for fewer views is that the subject isn't relevant but that it is not rotated or made available unless you have clicked on triggers that KZbin controls.

[@groovciti]

Great talk. As a man raised in New Orleans I understood this TEDTALK completely

[@THATBOISHAD]

Same here

[@sharontaylor7844]

I was also raised in New Orleans and I agree completely.

[@helloitsjay38]

I grew up in Wisconsin by the Mississippi River (river neighbors!) and I'd see confederate flags and casual racism here and there too.

[@infinitepurelive]

who is here from Memology101?

[@thegreatergood8081]

Do you have the link?

[@tomoaktree6551]

Thank you Mr. Russell. You only had 15 minutes, but you used your time well. Excellent talk! I'll be sharing this one.

[@Seabasstien]

Truly refreshing to hear his speech. I listened hard for something to disagree with and couldn't find it, except that I am not as optimistic as he is.

[@hahanah1463]

Your a moron then

[@Theinsideoutsider]

He made so many excellent points but a few that sticks is acknowledgement. So many times I hear denial about systematic racism as if somehow admitting the pain of others is a direct slight to you, it is not. It is the 1st step in understanding and resolving issues vs sweeping it under the rug and attempting to make those that do feel like they're the problem. In America we love to minimalize anything we don't agree with or don't want to hear. It's not being "woke" to be educated or empathetic. Thank you sir

[@grahamt5924]

It's hard being a minority of any ethnic group anywhere.

[@Theinsideoutsider]

@@grahamt5924 agreed. It's difficult to not be self interested. You take that feeling and scale it to the majority group and you set the table for oppressive and or dismissive behavior towards the minority group. This is why it's so important for the people in the majority group to say "whoa this behavior is not cool" which can be hard because 1. It doesn't impact you 2. You are benefiting.

[@grahamt5924]

@@Theinsideoutsider From my experience, if you are a minority just move to where you are a majority.

[@Theinsideoutsider]

@@grahamt5924 that's not just a bandaid it's a bandaid that will create a sore that creates a deeper wound. You do not run from growth you don't attempt to slow down evolution. You educate and create an environment that fosters growth. I get it that's not the easy route but it's the right route and the one that guarantees human prosperity and advancement

[@grahamt5924]

@@Theinsideoutsider You have not been a persecuted minority then. From my experience, if you are persecuted 95% will leave. I just don't understand why the persecuted minorites in America have not left to where they are no longer persecuted.

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

"silence is violence" to be clear, the word silence in this sentence acts as a synonym for "not bowing to my particular orthodoxy and my particular postmodern morality." It's "violence" in this guy's mind when you don't use your voice. It's "violence" in this guy's mind when you use your voice to disagree with him. Conformity is the only thing he does not interpret as violence.

[@korinefan1941]

The mega-majority of sIave-owners in America were Jewish Families. 40% of them owning sIaves, vs just 2% white families....

[@infinitekaister]

If you stay silent and don't call out the problems in this country, then you are essentially content with systematic racism. Yes, that means you are content in perpetuating a system that unfairly treats people based on skin color.

[@avia1295]

@@infinitekaister some people have critical thinking ability and they do not want to belong to a flock of sheep..

[@avia1295]

I grew up learning to avoid these race baiters. They are equally dangerous as the racists.

[@tysonkimbrel6461]

@@infinitekaisterright?! See also banality

[@scorpiogirl3781]

Thank you for speaking the truth! I am as Caucasian as can be, and you spoke my truth. God bless people like you, who have no fear advocating for fairness, equality and truth.

[@alphazolax1843]

I read through a lot of the comments, but never saw any that was against what this man said and that shows that he spoke so much truth that a lot of people saw themselves in his speech, America needs to do better.

[@latentsea]

Murica

[@AnthonySmith-gf1oe]

I purposefully go through comments on videos like this to see what white America response is and your right. Its mostly agreed with him. Im surprised. Pleasantly...

[@Sakazhua]

America is in bad shape

[@bleeblee7480]

What he said was indeed true, but the real question is what difference will it make? I look up to Barack Obama and Oprah Winfrey who did not spend precious time in their lives worrying about such nonsense...

[@seanwright8786]

@@AnthonySmith-gf1oe You and I have similar personality traits. I too, purposely scroll thru comments. I guess we're analytical thinkers.

[@ruthdenova7832]

Mr. Russell Ellis is an admirable humanitarian person. All my respects to him; people like Mr. Russell Ellis will be the architects of a better world, a compassionate world.

[@terryhill4732]

This shows you how much you know about this guy he comes from a long line through his ancestors of being involved with the KKK this is called reverse psychology he's using on all you dumbasses who believe him

[@russellm2555]

John Lennon was compassionate. An idealist. What did that get him?

[@catofninetales3125]

@Ruth de Nova No, Native Americans, Africans, and African Americans are the architects of the better and compassionate world: We have always held on to our humanity, despite the atrocities that have been committed against us. We continue to be people of the earth -- Cash, credit, and traveler's checks are worthless in heaven, and certainly won't get people into heaven. (But if mean people are in heaven, I'll find somewhere els to go.) Why they hoard all of the resources here, I do not know. If they could share, we wouldn't have most of the ails of society. How many trillions of dollars do they need to hoard to buy a roll of toilet paper? Just share!

[@ruthdenova7832]

@@catofninetales3125 Many different races of us are trying to make a healthier world, but when a person discovers good from wrong, to me this person deserves admiration. I thank you for sharing your feelings with me.

[@tomp996]

​@@russellm2555 deusch

[@charlenef7138]

This human being is a real man, a sterling individual, and I am so proud to be on the planet with him. May he be blessed, receive mercy and all goodness every minute in every moment of his days. tRUMP has stated in several speeches that the uneducated is what he likes. (It's his people, his base)

[@vv-je5ny]

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr.

[@doxscund8821]

Where da yt wimmen at? -Martin Luther Kang

[@waylonswartz3850]

@@doxscund8821 wtf?

[@Omegaphats]

@@doxscund8821 lieing and setting up another "Kang" while she lusts for the BBC and returns to her impotent abusive yt husband

[@lovelight800]

I don’t even know why I’m crying , thank you Russel !

[@davidmead6337]

I too feel the depth of the truth, with tears of joy to hear it. The articulation of the legacy of racism informs us of a lost experience of care of each other, of suppression of love for us all., of the installation of the story of fear and loss effecting all different cultures and people. The message of Mr. Ellis should be in every pulpit of every church in that single Sunday hour of separation/segregation in the USA, bringing the true and free message of Love,

[@melaniejean85]

Maybe you are crying because he is speaking an awful, painful truth that has been so toxic to or country and more importantly, toxic to each other. Happy new year to you, let's hope for a great year. Peace.

[@adeanjy4155]

"We have standardized tests in schools but we do not have standardized resources" - what an explosive truth!

[@rebornkingofthule7067]

See Charlotte iserbytes work Not lames out here with a megaphone demanding we multiply the size of the same problems

[@rebornkingofthule7067]

Ban social impact bonds crypto and esg

[@WoodysAR]

Standardized resources sounds a lot like Communism...

[@rebornkingofthule7067]

@@WoodysAR it's $Drip $Drip $Drip 💎 baby 🍼🐥 $PLX 🐄 mooo eeyy

[@WoodysAR]

We need standardized tests because everyone should be smart. If we 'take it easy' on a certain segment of society then we have a segment of society that can't compete in the real world... Why would that ever be a good thing? This guy seems to think that life is something _other_ than *competition.* Those who _can_ win, do... Why would one group give charity and 'standardized resources' to another group, when we are all in competition? Compete or die... Duh.

[@AmitErandole]

Two words to describe this talk: moral clarity

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

a confession is all

[@henryupshaw6099]

My two words where “crack head”.

[@AMMAZZARE]

1: bull 2: 5hit

[@MrJoeylo]

As a minority in this country, I have to say his speech was eye-opening and to the point. We need more alis like him. He is an example of how Americans should carry themselves. People,, EDUCATE YOURSELVES!

[@allanhill6311]

I BELIEVE it is time to Dump the RNC/DNC Overboard

[@forexed8948]

@@allanhill6311 both are corrupt organizations, one is just louder about it then the other, and we also need to get rid of the Electoral college too, it's too archaic and past its time

[@marlonbeckett8793]

Are you a white person

[@edvh88]

@@allanhill6311it might be time to try a system like parliament. And I’d love to see the ranked choice voting everywhere.

[@deeznutz8320]

13% of the population commits 60% of the violent crime

[@amorcruz7660]

I’m impressed with your speech and very fortunate that I stumbled on it in you tube : thank you for taking the risk and I admire your guts and courage thank you, thank you

[@boballen2930]

Risk ?

[@artodom152]

An AWESOME Ted Talk! This video should be mandatory viewing for every American! Thank you to Mr. Ellis! You have done a profound service to our society. If we only have the courage to open our hearts and minds.

[@3rdreichball525]

This is all bs

[@bleeblee7480]

I respect the Ted talk but I think it's way overrated. It's a waste of time trying to change people. I look up to Barack Obama. He did not live life afraid or worried about the obstacles of racism. He seems to have a very happy family, career and life. I would never make this Ted talk mandatory because it's kind of a downer

[@yourcollegecourse]

So true!

[@guesswhoscomingtoyoutube]

@@bleeblee7480 why

[@dorothyvailes3447]

WS Won't Allow It.

[@darrylscott740]

Beautiful!! I’ve said this for so many years!🙏🏾 Thanks for being transparent and tell the truth!💯 No one can do what you are doing without God in their hearts.🙏🏾🔥

[@helenzass411]

Who's God?

[@wadesmith666]

What great conversation. He's 110% right. It's our job to help our fellow citizens . Call out inequality wherever, and whenever we experience it

[@chrisclay4291]

And today’s buzzword is…. INEQUALITY!

[@wadesmith666]

@@chrisclay4291 It's not todays buzz word. From day one, inequality was built into the system

[@helenzass411]

You can't be 110% right, it's not mathematically possible.

[@wadesmith666]

@@helenzass411 what is maths ? its continuously evolving

[@joshuawadsworth6417]

@@wadesmith666inequality is natural. Deal with it.

[@Utoobeedoo]

The part near the end when he said “get uncomfortable” was telling. It’s the very reason these reactionary reforms are being proposed and enacted in various educational systems, most notably in the South. Anything that might make a student feel bad about him/herself is hereby forbidden to be part of the curriculum.

[@dm7561]

White Fragility

[@sylvialawrence4431]

The real fear is having the younger generation discover the possible ugliness of ancestors. Even if cruel, why should any history be hidden?!? It should be studied and discussed to hopefully prevent being repeated.

[@jarhead4801]

Great presentation. Your breakdown was spot on. Gave me memory of several military situations I have lived through during active duty. Fortunately on most occasions I had people step up and do what was right. My all time favorite example was overseas in Okinawa Japan 1978. Without being long winded, this person became the mentor and example I always tried to aspire too during active duty. Even to this day it still inspires me. I also firmly believe as you, that our education system needs to be re-vamped. Much of what I learned (about slavery, oppression and more)during my college years should have been taught during grade school and higher. Thank you so much. Wishing you much more success on your goal. USMC Ret.

[@tandt7694]

Thank you for your service.

[@Cryingcrys]

I’m in Okinawa now

[@alexlalani337]

What magnifies the problem is the people in charge of change particularly some GOP congressmen are the ones who feel like they are losing something by providing equity to all.

[@kneecaps2000]

No..they reflect the mindset of the people who keep them their, the voters and the donors...He started with Trump in the talk, Trump didn't create it...he rode it to the White House. The GOP agenda is the voter base agenda.

[@markmorizio3525]

Lol.

[@henriettaconner7594]

Glad to hear someone speaking of racism from one who lived it but turned his life forward in different direction .Thank you I say again for being who you are.

[@sr2291]

I'm a' better than you so I deserve to be first in line - ism.

[@deeznutz8320]

​@@sr2291 Exactly

[@sr2291]

@@deeznutz8320 I grew up with a parent who did this to other people. It was very embarrassing.

[@jimbrogan9835]

That's REAL! I have different experiences and history but my experiences definitely confirm everything he said. I am white. I have fought racism most of my life and know the truth of everything he said. I remember one old man that worked at the county jail with me saying, "I know it's wrong, but it's the way my daddy raised me and I would be disrespecting him if I changed." I couldn't close my mouth, my jaw just hung there wagging in the breeze. I was dumbfounded by the ridiculousness of the statement. Every arguement I have ever heard to justify racism has been ludicrous, but that one floored me. It is hard to break through to someone who is emotionally attatched to a belief, behavior, culture or way of life. Especially when they already know they are wrong!

[@whitenuttergoku7310]

It’s a disrespect to future generations if people don’t change the cycle of bigotry.

[@yourekittenme.]

It’s like a “traditional” & as Beau says, “Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.”

[@jimbrogan9835]

@@yourekittenme. Amen!

[@werefeat0356]

You're not White. You only have white skin. Monkeys like you are a dime a dozen and will eventually disappear from the planet, buried in the onslaught of brown slime.

[@jimbrogan9835]

@@werefeat0356 ROFLMAO! Hi Troll! By Troll!

[@jazzyfae415]

I follow him on IG and am so proud to see what he's doing here!! Just as proud of my fellow humans who happen to be white(ask Ms.Amanda Sealed what that means💜) speaking up and speaking out on their own experiences. It's hard af to stand against the tide of what is considered 'the norm', especially when that's all youve ever known in a small town. But this is the most important thing we can ever do; becoming self aware and being accountable is not for the weak! But it is for the empathetic, it is for the true Believers and it is for those who strive to become the best of us. I salute and thank all of y'all doing your best when it's hard to do so👏🏽👏🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽

[@catofninetales3125]

@Jazzy Fae : I appreciate you. It's a first step, realizing accountability. I think you are the first person I've seen on the Internet who has actually looked in the mirror. Thank you. What will your next steps be? 530 years of enduring the most inhumane abuse is not easy, especially when "laws and Christianity" are used against us for hundreds of years of torture.

[@hillarylarson5141]

Can you tell me how you found him on IG? I searched for him, but couldn't find the right Russell Ellis. Thank you in advance.

[@dalestanleycraig]

@@hillarylarson5141 Agree!

[@empressahyokabey1419]

Dang I've been looking on how to follow him! Only instagram 😢 I need his email!! It's time to change this culture!!!!!

[@jamman9569]

Who happens to be white? God, you people are just as bad as the people you despise.

[@fredsimmons2793]

You are a voice crying in the wilderness! One of the strongest truth's you spoke was "you can't legislate morality".God Bless you Russell!

[@helenzass411]

But the U. S. Government does legislate morality. It passes laws.

[@frankiedallasjr4817]

We need more people like him in this world

[@MsMe-zo2uo]

“You can not legislate morality” true statement.

[@hangryturtle9006]

No offense to you, but every piece of legislation is someone’s morality. Why am I not allowed to steal? I need it more than you do

[@mrdexs]

@@hangryturtle9006 How do you mitigate greed? You can't.

[@jcook311]

@@mrdexs Is Lebron greedy for being the best? He creates wealth as do all the other “greedy” (i.e., those competent in their enterprise).

[@mrdexs]

@@jcook311 No Labron is not greedy for getting what a wealthy beyond imagination corporation is willing to pay him. My answer to your question is what you are missing that same corporation who lobbied for tax cuts, is the greed that is able to pay Labron a ridiculous amount of money. Like all these big companies that are some how people too. Citizens United v. FEC, the Supreme Court asserted that corporations are people. Greed.

[@mrdexs]

@@jcook311 🙂 Look up a little video from Martin Luther King titled, coming to get our check. It's not played in The mainstream media definitely not played on the right side. They'll invoke his name in 2 seconds. That small clip is the answer to your question.

[@siyabongakoyo238]

How I wish for this gentleman to come and do this speech in South Africa.

[@deeznutz8320]

Pretty sure since you Blacks took control the country went backwards

[@parrell1012]

This gentleman is completely amazing. His words are filled with wisdom and understanding. Plz share this people.

[@4legdfishman]

Very powerful, honest and exactly what America needs to hear, then react positively and in great numbers. I've lost friends and family members due to racism and I have no regrets.

[@craigwalker3227]

This man spoke the God's honest truth.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

Why? Much of what's called racism is cultural differences

[@vivianclaiborne7653]

@@edwinamendelssohn5129 If we turn that around...''Flip It''...Can cultural differences... cause Racism?.

[@patrickjenkins6383]

That immediate feeling that you get when someone KNOWS wtf they're talking about. Being blunt & honest about our personal "lived experience" can be a powerful tool for Education & Progress. Mr. Ellis in my view, is nothing short of Awesome. 🇺🇸😎

[@krishnapartha]

Amen

[@msjaneausten483]

Amen but politicians and the powers that lead this country don't want real lived experience people doing the teaching 🙌

[@patrickjenkins6383]

@@msjaneausten483 Apparently it's True. After viewing Mr. Ellis' moving TED talk, it's easy to see Why. 😎

[@rbailey3309]

Very well put!

[@doomguy510]

He sounds like a toddler with a mouth full of grapes.

[@princesswilliams8723]

Yes sir my brother, after you have went through it all then strengthen your brothers and sisters Amen to you and I know there's a calling on your life. You are in the hands and work of The Lord. Bless You and May you continue to be strengthened and that He'll l give you favor and strength in this Great Endeavor.

[@gloriaf6971]

This is a great talk. He delivered it with so much passion. I hope he gets other white people to follow his lead.

[@MrNanah38]

That is a pipe dream

[@monnieeeeyt7037]

Other white people can hate who they want🤷🏾‍♀️. They just need to hate in their own space and leave other people alone.

[@TampaDave]

@@monnieeeeyt7037 their hate is based on ignorance, which created fear, which created anger, which creates hatred and rage. Don’t you see what pent-up anger, brewed and stirred daily online, creates? Think Jan 6. Education is the cure for ignorance. Simple as that.

[@TampaDave]

@@MrNanah38 that is what they said to our early ancestors, who had proposed coming down from the tree and walking on two legs. EVERY evolutionary/developmental step was a pipe dream until it had actually occurred. Like the US Constitution.

[@beverlydixon6556]

NOT🤧

[@justmyopinion9883]

Thank you, Mr Russell Ellis, for sharing this magnificent conversation. I wish more people could understand what you're talking about.

[@audreywitko1445]

What a gift to our country and humanity! Thank you for sharing your experience, perspective and solutions with us! Blessings in Absolute Abundance! ✨💖✨

[@dinkydunkin]

Agree 100%. It’s on US, not African-Americans, Latino-Americans. Responsibility is on the privileged class.

[@thegreatergood8081]

Who was punching elderly Asians in the street? It wasn't us...

[@ribbrascal]

Beta male wallowing in White Guilt who infantilizes "Blackandbrown" people but doesn't mention Asians for some queer reason.

[@TonyRome402]

I have enormous respect for you. Thank you for presenting the facts and saying what needs to be said; excellent presentation.

[@doylestlouis7446]

The best talk on racism I’ve ever heard. Great job. 👏🏾👏🏾

[@VelvetLovesU]

Tim Wise speaks beautifully on the topic as well.

[@haroldvaughn3352]

Are you from St. Louis or is this just your thumbnail name

[@doylestlouis7446]

@@haroldvaughn3352 that’s my real name.

[@helenromanelli2544]

Don't know where to start...both in thanking Mr. Russell for a stirring call to change, but also in tackling racism in myself and in my community. I am reading and talking with my friend George, but I am still flummoxed about where to direct my energies to begin to make change in the world around me, in a way that will benefit people of color.

[@annwraith3486]

Just being a good person to those who have earned your trust I think is enough.

[@moanahughes3593]

See no color, only people!!!

[@robertmuhammad3970]

Start with your self be a example of your newfound understanding

[@AnthonySmith-gf1oe]

Dont let even slight racism slide in your presence. Call em out...

[@jameshoeve4466]

Thank you, Mr. Ellis. It is up to us to make the change.

[@DixonDixon65]

❤

[@VICTOR-pi4iq]

👏👏👏

[@deeznutz8320]

Good luck 😂

[@onuchinathaniel9368]

GOD bless him. He speaks from inside of him. I pray other Europeans will have the courage to ponder over this messenger's message, rather than take it out on him.

[@dharmayogaashram979]

What makes you think he believes in God? Is that notion another form of supremecy?

[@kennethgoss4975]

Wow! Truth is always welcomed and received by those who will believe it when you see and hear it. Thank you, we need real dialogue like this that just shows and teach what is happening in all our lives in America, thank you Ted!!

[@ryangraney9892]

13% of the population is waaaaaay overrepresented, in a cringy way.

[@charlessomerset9754]

I, too, broke the generational stranglehold of racism. I was born in Sand Mountain, Alabama in 1965. Sand Mountain has been called the Hells Kitchen of the South. But fortunately, I started asking questions early. I just couldn't, as a child, understand why anyone would want to judge someone because of their race. And when I had children, I taught them the truth. Racism can be stopped in just one generation if we are willing to teach our children the simple but profound Golden Rule.

[@Red80008]

What's that rule?

[@charlessomerset9754]

@@Red80008 Treat others as you would be treated.

[@Red80008]

@@charlessomerset9754 That's a great start! I would then go another step further and say: "treat others as good as possible and so that no one suffers". If we stayed only with how "we would be treated" we would also only treat others like how WE think they would be treated, not how they actually need/want be treated. Not as in "they get what they deserve", though, but "give them what they need to be happy if you can and as long as it's not at the cost of somebody else". In my opinion and experience, the former requires and works only at a common and "good" ethic ground but lacks true compassion/empathy for the other.

[@juanmontelongo7314]

That was the most honest and important talk I’ve seen yet…….I am a successful Hispanic business owner and one of the most important reasons that I am successful is because I learned how to play the game with white corporate America. As my former employer once said about me “ he looks like us, he speaks like us”……And so I was allowed to play ball. I say this to my white fellow Americans; Get educated on diversity. Racial minorities are not here to supplant you. We want all of the same things that you want. Also, learn another language besides English. That will not make you less of an American, it will make you better understand that as Americans, we are not the center of the universe.

[@bonnierobinson8684]

Churches are white washed!

[@AnthonySmith-gf1oe]

Points!!!

[@lilliankinsman1153]

Excuse me but no one thinks that way...Everyone is equal except whites in America...even if white means over 20 cultures... Secondly Why mist anyone learn a language they dont speak all the time just because their neighbor does unless its the primary language of that country...Frankly theres more blacks and Hispanics than Caucasians....Wheres my white history month...or my Leif Erickson Day celebration....To say Everyone wants to be recognized is simple truth but there's never gonna be equality if those no longer oppressed and who have turned oppressors keep whining.... It simply is a falsehood...

[@juanmontelongo7314]

@@lilliankinsman1153 You are speaking from a position of power and privilege and you are either not being truthful to yourself or you are completely blind on how things run in America. The statistics don’t lie. Whites in America control the economy and the rest of us , at least the ones who want to succeed, have to adjust our thinking and our way of doing business to be allowed to participate. There is quite a few who refuse to do so and consequently they go nowhere. BTW, I am not complaining, I’m only stating a fact. That’s the way business is done. Either play by the rules in place or not. It’s up to the individual. Also, there are so many reasons and benefits to learn a second, third or fourth language. If you cannot recognize them then there’s nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. Lastly, your comment regarding holidays is laughable. Almost all holidays in the US are about white culture. And again, I’m good with that. It is what it is. Whites are still and will be for a long time the majority in this country and therefore they control politics and money therefore you have all the power. I have learned to accept this and therefore I continue to thrive and succeed.

[@johnstenzel330]

@@lilliankinsman1153 German lost by one vote to be the national language of America. I learned German because of my ancestry, not only did it expand my worldview but it also helped me meet my wife. Now I want to learn Chinese.

[@davidlopez-white3185]

Thanks Russell Ellis, and TEDx Talks! More of this, please!!

[@robertgoines1831]

Yo this man is my hero. Plain + cut to the gut his life experiences and his realization that he was the problem + he became a advocate to end racism and discrimination against any minority. My man. 😊✌

[@geraniaceae4470]

“The search for a scapegoat is the easiest of all hunting expeditions.” ~ Dwight D. Eisenhower

[@stefmon68]

Yup...some of us have been scapegoated for far too long.

[@stevecrabtree7091]

@@stefmon68 Benito Mussolini and his movement - fascism or national socialism - was of the left.

[@LompocWildFlower]

Thank you for what saying what I suspected a long time ago, I admire your honesty and courage to speak the truth in love.

[@stevennichols4682]

Blessings onto you brother. 🙏

[@siatus5159]

This man is brilliant! Never heard a Caucasian speak intelligently about the issue that is affecting people of minority.

[@LuciFeric137]

Racism in my childhood was completely natural and normal, like a fish in water. It's taken a lifetime to unlearn, and im still fighting it.

[@phyllishenderson2704]

Luci " thank you" for trying to break the cycle.

[@frettless8456]

Keep fighting brother. Never ever give up.

[@kevenwatson6443]

Me and my family use to make fun of a vietnamese family that moved next door then the son started at my school and was in my class next thing you know we were walking home together and became friends i also became friends with his mum and dad and started to defend him from bullies, and told my family to leave them alone and stop making fun of them, now that I've grown up i can't believe what i did to them or why i thought it was funny it just makes me feel bad that i acted that way

[@frettless8456]

@@kevenwatson6443 understanding what we have done wrong how how we have erred is more than half the battle in changing these character flaws. Keep trying to improve. I applaud you....

[@TheStimie]

Thanks. Peace.

[@larry0913]

I truly appreciate this talk. I imagine all of us who grew up in the South faced the same culture.

[@fjwells593]

This 21st Century needs more of these men like Suny Geneseo, may God bless you brother to continue helping the world to be a better place!

[@geesaidit541]

I agree with you God Bless Mr Russell Ellis for this Awesome speech at S.U.N.Y. in Geneseo.🙏🙏 He does help make our world a better place.

[@kevinbouknight1308]

The man nearly brought me to tears. Finally, finally, FINALLY somebody who gets it and is speaking out about it! God bless you sir.

[@rbailey3309]

You know that I know just what you mean. This nullifies all of the gaslighting.

[@sylvialawrence4431]

Yeah...now many just like to call it "woke." There will always be a certain group of people who would rather attach a label because it's hard to face truth.

[@rushfan1970]

Thank you so much for this. I live in those Western NC mountains & yes such racism is sadly still thriving here. I was born & raised on the coast in Wilmington, NC & had no idea growing up there of the horrible wrongs done by the white supremacists. Many of us grew up blind to our history, thank God more people are learning the truth now. Praying for a BLUE wave this election to move more in the right direction.🙏🏼💙💗✌🏼

[@lauraboor6440]

Why are you so messed up? Daddy?

[@rushfan1970]

@@lauraboor6440 God bless your poor heart, Laura

[@lauraboor6440]

@@rushfan1970 God, bless your poor low IQ heart

[@deowil1]

Yes, it was a tragedy of what was ALLOWED to go unchecked in Wilmington NC in 1898: stolen land, property destroyed and burned down and confiscated and again nothing was done about that massacre to this day.

[@bradnix3000]

Plzz-zzz! This is a joke!

[@kevinmhadley]

I’m not sure what to say. This guy covered pretty well for 15 minutes. Personally, I have never really understood how people can hate other people because of names or nationality, genetics or religious beliefs.

[@Riley0509]

But I still welcome people who figure it out.

[@latentsea]

Go to da hood and preach son!

[@sylvialawrence4431]

@@ethanfarris4736 That's the problem stereotyping creates. Again, color and character are two different things. I myself am a woman of color, but why should someone assume that I feel comfortable around everybody just because they happen to look like me!

[@paco7992]

Read the comments on any MSNBC video.

[@sylvialawrence4431]

@@ethanfarris4736 That's my point. Why assume that just because people are of the same ethnicity, they have had the same upbringing and will behave in the same manner?!? That applies to ANY ethnic group. We are still individuals! Again, to paraphrase Dr. King's dream, "...to be judged by the content of character and not the color of skin."

[@midget1141]

I absolutely love this man I never thought about it that way and he has opened up my eyes thank you so much

[@verdellcampbell7537]

TALK IS CHEAP,SHOW ACTION,I DONT TRUST NO MAN,I PUT MY TRUST IN GOD,WHOM EVERYONE SEENS TO LEAVE OUT,GOD WORD SAID EVERYONE WILL REAP WHAT HE HAS SOWN,,IF IT'S BAD U WILL REAP,IF IT'S GOOD U WILL REAP GOOD,WHAT EVER U HAVE SOWN AGAINST MAN KIND,GOOD OR BAD U WILL REAP IT IN YOUR LIFETIME.BELEIVE IT OR NOT,I FOR 1 BELEIVE GODS WORD.

[@donnalittle5453]

How much did they pay you to say this B/S ?

[@premchandhuri8825]

Great respect for your thoughts. I am not an American citizen, yet I have found you to be the first person who has addressed the problem so crearly and honestly.

[@MacDaddy50]

This intelligent man gives a quick history lesson through his own experience with knowledge. Honest, educational, and honest.

[@alleybum1]

I hope nobody take this negatively but it's surprising to see a redheaded so-called white man stand up for equality for people of color. I appreciate you very much I just wish I could tell the difference between the good ones and the bad ones. Again thank you very much.

[@bwenluck9812]

@Leamuel Lake You can tell them apart by their words and their deeds. It doesn't take long to figure it out as you talk with them....

[@cliverufieprince5901]

What a insightfull talk. Not just for whites but also for us with the darker skin.

[@kandipoopipants1794]

Read Thomas Sowell books if you'd like some true American history. :)

[@DrTHC]

I feel ya. Sometimes when I make eye contact with folks and smile, they seem wary... Or they purposely avoid eye contact entirely, because they are worried that I'm one of those scary, crazy white women. I always remember that folks of color (and with disabilities) have struggled to be seen for the good humans they are by people like me for a long, long time. So I do not ignore the pain of often being seen as a possible 'Karen'... I instead take it as a small emotional lesson of the much larger struggles some folks experience many times a day, simply because they exist in their skin. Unfortunately, I can't get into reassuring conversations with every person I meet... But I CAN smile with true love energy and practice graciousness and courtesy. 💕 ~THC

[@pleasanthannibal962]

If I may weigh in, it's quite easy actually (since I try to reverse the damage of racism amongst the people of my nation everyday) and I think some of the other repliers here make good points, but mine is quite simple. The key lies in "Us and Them" as soon as they don't want to define (or joke away) why there is a distinction, you know there is a discomfort/guilt somewhere in their deeper psychology. Just my 2 cents worth. Admitting my bias, I'm absolutely Egalitarian and that we can talk about the past, but if We (all humans) don't talk about the future with us united, then racism will always be subversive. :)

[@RAFIKKhan-gh5sp]

AS A SOUTH AFRICAN WE EXPERIENCED IT FIRST HAND APARTHATE WAS CRUEL

[@timberwolfdtproductions3890]

Cruel and morally inexcusable.

[@seanvales391]

Not according to the perpetrators. They were angels,let them tell it. Nothing but 👹👺👿's

[@christopherd6399]

Which serves to amplify the horrible plight of most countries in sub Saharan Africa. Because people from that part of the continent were flocking to South Africa all throughout apartheid. Horrible state all around.

[@csarebel8657]

Right? The country has so much less crime now!!

[@RAFIKKhan-gh5sp]

@@csarebel8657 non whites ONLY 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@MrIAMTHESIR]

He's telling the truth, period. Behavior, first of all, is learned. Education is very important. I was a Librarian since 1981...

[@terryparham3913]

Thank you. Candidness and truth will make change!

[@reggiebald2830]

Perhaps one of the most important Ted Talks since the beginning of Ted Talks! Well done and from the heart and soul! Thank you Russel Ellis!

[@BlackOpal_Rising]

He is always on point. Unfortunately the people who NEED to hear this, won’t even try. Or if forced to listen, won’t believe it because they don’t WANT to hear it. I’m just glad slowly but surely SOME are grasping truth and deconstructing their old beliefs and now understand the reality we live in and are willing to fight for ALL people and equal rights and treatment. Maybe we will get it together in the next 300 years? Maybe.

[@HenryTheIV]

Gotta move past the need to be white

[@gregorybrown3030]

This man needs a bigger mic but, to those who heard him out…thank you…it’s never easy to see and admit fault but, I cannot thank this gentleman enough for doing so and changing course…

[@angelgigabyte]

Excellent talk! He is well informed, educated and spot on, we need more people like him in this world.

[@charlesjones5451]

Man,This guy is Spot On!!!!