Who are PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad)? | 5 Minute History

While Hamas is the most famous designated terrorist group from Palestine, others are also active across the region, such as the PIJ or Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Active since 1981, this much smaller group has not always seen eye-to-eye with Hamas or the PLO. Its armed wing, the Al-Quds Brigades has been responsible for a number of attacks in the area, including being involved in the October 7th attacks on Israel.
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[@kirthanks3389]

The PIJ are not the most radical, there's multiple smaller groups who are ideologically more extreme, like Kataeb Mujahadeen, and some weird splinters from Fatah, and some who are so extreme that Hamas themselves have been trying to keep them out of Gaza such as groups sympathetic to ISIS and Al Qaeda. These groups used to be so weak they were nearly irrelevant, but during the war Kataeb Mujahadeen have rapidly risen, and the others might do if Israel get rid of the (relatively speaking) more moderate groups like Hamas Al Qassam, DFLP, Kataeb Shuhada Al Aqsa, etc. and even PIJ Saraya Al Quds. what Israel are doing right now, trying to violently eradicate an objectionable political party, is disturbingly similar to what the USA et al. tried to do in Iraq by obliterating Saddam's Baathist Party, and that's how we got ISIS! (not the only factor, but the biggest)

[@ronnie3836]

A group that has the word islamic jihad in their name isnt a moderate group

[@domca4617]

Didn't it occur to you that extremist political parties violating human rights and democratic principles that have a radical military wing SHOULD be banned? Would you say that the ban on Nazi and Fascist parties after the WWII war was a bad decision? Sometimes it is necessary. Another example would be Egypt and its ban on the Muslim Brotherhood.

[@Alieth]

@@domca4617I don’t think he’s commenting on whether islamists should be banned. But rather that when you violently suppress an undesirable political group, it’s easy for more radical ones to sprout in its place. Particularly when there’s no proper political solution going forward

[@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506]

​@@Aliethits muslims and Israel, it really doens't matter what party gets banned, they wanna genozide the jews either way

[@hamzaabdur-rahman221]

what does the kata’ib al mujahideen believe different to Hamas and PIJ?

[@nicotjondronegoro6782]

Thank you for making this video Hilbert! I'm very pleased you took my suggestion

[@jeandupond9605]

1:35 They don’t want the borders proposed in 1948 (UN partition plan). They want the borders of the British Mandate of Palestine after the independence of Transjordan (formerly also part of Palestine).

[@achilles7607]

The whole land of Judea belongs to Israel. Judea and Samaria are still occupied by the Palestinian authorities. Palestine doesn't exist.

[@ZS-rw4qq]

I think he wanted to say pre-1948 borders

[@sebatolle8979]

lol this is literally the position of likud and otzma yehudit

[@kwabat5389]

@@sebatolle8979 Likud does not want Gaza bro Judea and Samaria sure but not Gaza. Only reason they want Judea and Samaria is religious reasons while Otzma Yehudit is just racist

[@AttaBek1422]

@@kwabat5389 ‘Between the Sea and the Jordan’ is literally in the Likud charter

[@devnull1200]

The old format is back, baby!!!

[@Simte]

Always impressed with the effort in the pronunciation. Well researched and produced video, thank you Hilbert.

[@ThePussukka]

He's not British or American ahaha, usually people from other backgrounds tend to be more respectful towards other cultures than anglochauvinists.

[@mukathompson7490]

He is dutch/frisian but he did grow up in the UK and was educated there@@ThePussukka

[@ZS-rw4qq]

Do you plan on covering the PFLP as well?

[@anonyKinetic]

Seconded. I want a video on the PFLP.

[@eranhaim9913]

they are so miniscule it'll be like covering your local football team more or less... as an Israeli I tell you most Israelis ,who aren't geeks about this like myself, aren't even familiar with this organization. their hay day was in the late 60's but the conflict had turned religious with the failure of the Oslo accords, as a result of Arafat using the weapons he received for a police force to launch terrorism, which granted him massive support among Palestinians but crushed the trust of Israelis in this Palestinians in general and in trusting them not to try and destroy our nation and take our homeland even if granted a state. sorry I got carried over but I'm typing this high so I got narrow thought and focus.

[@user-bo9yp1zp5u]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@eranhaim9913 Israel directly financed Hamas in order to undermine the influence of secular Palestinian groups and divide them. Don’t be so disingenuous as to say Islamic fundamentalism just spontaneously rose after the failure of the Oslo Accords (which you decided to give your reasoning for why they failed as “terrorism” because you know anyone googling it will find other answers). You have abused the Palestinian people for decades. If there is a monster in Gaza, you created it.

[@Charlie-lw1hp]

As always, excellent video. To the point whilst keeping important details and nuance. You actually teach better than a lot of professors in my uni’s history department.

[@alansmithee8831]

Hello Hilbert. Interesting, as always.

[@ronmaximilian6953]

To be fair, Hamas is a descendant of the Muslim Brotherhood too. Hamas grew out of the ashes of Mujama al-Islamiya, which was a Muslim Brotherhood project in the so-called Palestinian territories originally promised as a Civic, religious and welfare organization. The Israelis actually promoted it as an alternative to the Palestinian literation organization, at least until they found that the Islamic Center was actually stockpiling weapons and forming its own terrorist group. Then Israel raided them, took their weapons, and arrested their leadership. Unfortunately, is Raul was forced to release much of their leadership in a humanitarian and peace deal. These leaders would then form Hamas. Basically, Hamas is a splinter group from the Muslim Brotherhood like Al Qaeda. And that shouldn't be surprising since both were co-founded by Sheikh Abdullah Azzam

[@aunnaqvi3133]

Absolutely correct, the Israelis couldn't ideologically win over the west if it was fighting against a secular organisation.

[@ems4884]

Both are Islamist in their basic ideology. That's a problem.

[@aunnaqvi3133]

@@ems4884 the PLO was not islamist, it was secular leftist.

[@anonyKinetic]

@@aunnaqvi3133 Yeah as much as Israel compares Hamas to ISIS, Israel, at least at the policy making level, prefers Hamas since it makes Israel look better in the eyes of the west.

[@PrivateSi]

Really, radical Islam grew out of WW1 after The West finished off The Caliphate. Radical Islam was always there, but war and then neo-national independence movements within the region amplified and used it. The West don't try to keep neutral nations in regions as a stabiliser, instead demanding subservience to the Western protection racket, which causes major regional problems.. Divide & Rule via a regional proxy sore thumb nation at war with its neighbours. Israel, Taiwan, Ukraine as key examples. Regional Radicalisation by design.

[@NouveauView]

Could you do a video on the Abu Nidal organization?

[@user-bx7ql4qi2n]

As a Palestinian lots of our citizens Don't know much about the pij and most think they are the same as hamas me personally I learned much from this video about the pij

[@ZS-rw4qq]

Hey, we in Europe keep hearing about the Islamist groups, but how popular are the leftist ones, Fatah, PFLP? Thanks!

[@torbjornlindholm4098]

Afaik the PIJ is more based in the West Bank territories and Hamas are based in Gaza. But the West Bank territory isn’t controlled by one certain terrorist organization, but by few organizations (kinda like the mafia).

[@jackduane5555]

You mean you're a stateless Arab

[@AttaBek1422]

@@torbjornlindholm4098 You are absolutely wrong. PIJ is as much a Gaza-based group as Hamas is, they were literally founded in Gaza. Like Hamas the PIJ has a presence in the West Bank but that’s considered the PLO/Fatah’s turf. Also none of the groups I’ve mentioned are terrorist groups they are resistance movements

[@ahmadfrhan5265]

As a Palestinian we are neither white nor European. We stand behind the our mu1hadeen brothers against wh1te imperialism.

[@ant305]

Can you do a video explaining who the PFLP/DFLP are?

[@ilayohana3150]

I just wanna point out how the Arabic name for Islamic jihad says in Palestine, not Palestinian. You could easily suggest this is because the jihad element matters to them more than the "in Palestine". Also shows how the Palestinian identity is more of a western thing than middle eastern. To them, they're just Arabs, but we want nation states in the middle east not realizing we're making colonies.

[@igorsm9397]

Damm dude, you seen intelligent/well informed. Do you have discord/instagram or something?

[@Happyfor96]

they are levantine Arabs. Small artificial nation states like the majority of the middle east today benefit the 3 generation monarchs in charge, but keeps our population small and weak. If texas were its own nation state, the oil money would have Texans living well, while Oklahoma and Arizona would become what modern day Syria is

[@ilayohana3150]

@@Happyfor96 that's acrually really true except your population isn't small, it's massive. It is weak though.

[@250celeste]

Your comments about Palestinian culture are somewhat misleading even though you highlighted good points. Nation states do exist in the Arab world, even in the Arabian peninsula. They did not exist as widespread before colonisation but they do exist now and the Palestinian struggle, which was mostly secular up until the 2000s created a particular culture of the People of Palestine

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

Thats not true and the logic you derive that by is so silly you just out yourself as an ignoramus

[@PathOfAvraham]

@1:13 what does he try to say ?

[@redactedagentdataexpunged9431]

Best guess is that after being expelled from Egypt, they renamed to Palestinian Islamic Jihad

[@caseclosed9342]

It’s crazy how many activists seem to think these organizations only want a 2-state solution

[@danilapolesciuk4316]

Huh? Wtf

[@JohnnyYounitas]

Who thinks that? One state 🇵🇸

[@ronmaximilian6953]

To be fair, some want a two-state solution of Jordan and Palestine. Others want a one-state solution combining the two. And yet others reject states as a Western concept and only support a general caliphate.

[@siohunndai]

We don't think that lol.

[@achilles7607]

The whole land belongs to only one country- Israel🇮🇱

[@godhelp7535]

"they are the most radical" Mujahideen Shura Council in the Environs of Jerusalem: may i introduce myself

[@user-cs2mx4lt3q]

i hate to be that guy sorry but i think the thumbnail is wrong because isn't the pij mainly located in the west bank?

[@kwabat5389]

Yeah they have big presence in gaza but they are huge in west bank especially in Jenin

[@fahoodie1852]

PIJ also has a presence in Gaza and a very notable one, their paramilitary wing is the second largest in Gaza

[@muslimnde3612]

The PIJ are in Gaza , West Bank & Syria . their main backer is Assad .

[@razahassan8755]

The PIJ's main centre of power is in Gaza as both Israel & the PLO oppose the group in the West Bank. Only Hamas allows it to carry out attacks from its territory in Gaza.

[@redactedagentdataexpunged9431]

Yes and no at the same time Yes in saying the PIJ is prominent outside of the Gaza Strip, notably in Jenin as you heard No as in the fact there are also PIJ militants in Gaza

[@bandit2206]

Aye can you do fatah

[@kwabat5389]

Fatah fooled the world into thinking they are peaceful, and now they give money to terrorists and want to form a government with hamas

[@YussefAbdelhady]

I am sorry but your info is wrong on so many levels. What do egyptian islamic jihad have to do with PIJ??? EIJ eventually merged with al qaeda, nothing to do with PIJ, they just have similar sounding names.

[@ghiorghetatarescu3649]

mate, is every single one if your videos just a audible wikipedia article??like no excpetion??

[@TruthBeTold6573]

That's not true, the PIJ actually condemned the Saudi aggression on Yemen.

[@sus527]

This is exactly similar to moro movement in Philippines first they start as freedom movement while also been religious, after no result the groups split and move themselves away from nationalism such as moro movement gave birth to jehad in Philippines abu syuf which later joined i$i$ it crazy how much leftist and liberal west and east whitewash these events is eventual reason why so many people suffer both non fundamentalist Muslim and non muslims ...look at Indonesia after unity in 1961 by all Indonesian they dont have such problems

[@Apollo1989V]

Fatah doesn’t want peace.

[@-carthage7779]

Why want peace with the occupation?!

[@Joseph_ebuka]

With an occupation ? wtf is this guy saying@@-carthage7779

[@jamesbodnarchuk3322]

All tribes fighting each other

[@-carthage7779]

That's what an ignorant western think

[@ConfirmedAto]

Well i am certain these comments are going to be Civil. Right?

[@jamesbodnarchuk3322]

And Iran ran so far away Couldn’t get away.

[@ecurewitz]

I see what you did there

[@elel-ww5nf]

Ahhhh so those are the “freedom fighters” that Harvard students claim them to be 😂😂

[@ems4884]

Stop focusing on small groups of politically immature college students. They will always exist, and in a couple years they grow up. The real enemy is the mass propaganda campaign coming from Qatar Syria Iran Hezbollah, the Houthis and Hamas (and probably other Arab friends too.). They have been far too effective in distorting the picture of what's really going on.

[@kongming7684]

Israel is bombing children. Shut up

[@Ahsan-mt5fo]

Can't they be?

[@AyOuB.God-soldier]

They are fighting for what??? The purpose of the fight is what

[@jackduane5555]

​@@AyOuB.God-soldierg3nocide

[@jasonkurtrix357]

Other one just pop-up. Will there ever be peace?

[@kaychovskydestroy9861]

*A ☪️ANCER surviver here 🇩🇿❤️🇮🇱 .*

[@ALQARATBAHRAIN]

Shut up your mother don’t love you

[@EmperadordeIberia]

Do you support Jews colonizing your Arab brothers? You know they are religious fanatics too, right?

[@jamesbodnarchuk3322]

All these groups contribute to the normal Palestinian suffering Period.

[@iw2684]

All these groups are a result of something else…

[@donaldwobamajr6550]

@@iw2684They are the result of their own hate. They aren’t helpless victims who have no choice but to become terrorists, they are people with agency and are responsible for their own actions. No one made them commit senseless violence, they did that themselves.

[@iw2684]

@@donaldwobamajr6550 so, you’d just accept decades of occupation?

[@NouveauView]

​@@iw2684 They could have made peace with Israel anytime they wanted but they're too ethnonationalistic and zealous to ever accept peace with a nation of Jewish people.

[@typiclyjohny5114]

@@iw2684 the occupation would have been long over if the Palestinian Territories wouldn't be full of terrorists that threatend Israeli security and even kill Israeli Civilians. Gaza was not occupied since 2005

[@hazicredmi2233]

Worth noting that many (if not all) palestinian movements are against israeli state in palestine, not against any jews.

[@Daniel-jv1ku]

Also known as "we're against the Jewish state".

[@tiddodebont1124]

wow you're incredibly naive

[@-carthage7779]

​@@Daniel-jv1kuthe Zionist state

[@handsanitiser9832]

@@tiddodebont1124 You don't know there were Palestinian Jews there prior to the state?! There are stories of coexistance a thriving community in Haifa!! Read, then post!

[@Joseph_ebuka]

There were jews there and the state of isreal if you read the partition plan was meant to still have 500k jews and 400k arabs while the arab state beside it would have just 10k jews bt the arabs launched a war and lost and they lost even bigger lands during the war some arabs left in fear of thier lives some left after being told to so so the jews could be wiped out and they woud return and some also left due to isreal forcing them out on accusations of them supporting the inavders If they didnt start a war there wouldnt have been a nakba and there would be alot more arabs in isreal However some arabs remined and they are part of isreal

[@Vektordeformacio]

Ever tought grouping up with Apostate Prophet?

[@turksungerbob728]

Jesus Christ i hope he doesn't even know who that clown is

[@myinstgiscarbenuim1693]

Why did you even bring up this uncivilized barbaric chiml

[@makpak5552]

who

[@greatwolf5372]

​@@makpak5552Ex-Muslim. His very existence makes a lot of Muslims mad.

[@AttaBek1422]

@@greatwolf5372 Yeah the fact this alleged person exists fills me with pity (for him)

[@supernova7069]

starting to think, if the Brits had just given them a Caliphate in Mecca like the vatican, alot of these groups wouldnt exist.

[@bluemountain4181]

Mecca was never a British colony or protectorate. After the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WW1 it became part of the Kingdom of Hejaz which was shortly thereafter was conquered by the Saudis. The Saudi government promotes Islamic fundamentalism though and makes things worse

[@supernova7069]

@@bluemountain4181 when they won the war against ottomans, all the states formed afterwards were literally planned and lined out by sikes and picot in a tent. If they wanted to make a puppet caliphate, there was no one that couldve done anything about it. The saudis took over hejaz cause the british fell out with the ruler of hejaz afterwards

[@supernova7069]

​@bluemountain4181 After winning the war against the ottomans, Sikes and Picot literally planned and drew all the countries of arabia sitting in a tent. If they wanted a puppet Caliphate in Mecca, there was nothing anyone could do about it. The saudis were also british allies who were given the kingdom of Nejd, afterwards when the brits fell out with the king of hejaz they just let the sauds take over hejaz.

[@mappingshaman5280]

Except it would just be seen as a western puppet caliphate with no legitimacy that wasn't elected by a Shura. If anything the Saudis being weaker would probably make the middle east more chaotic as the nasserists and Iran islamists fight it out instead of the nasserists dipping out and the Iranian and saudi islamists having a cold War.

[@Daniel-jv1ku]

Arabs already have 19 countries. All together, more territory than all of Europe. 13,000,000 square km / 5,000,000 square miles. But they're not satisfied. Israel is 22,000 square km / 8,600 square miles. Israel is the size of 0.2% of all Arab land. For many Arabs, this is outrageous!

[@barryirlandi4217]

End the occupation, end the resistance

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

That is amazing, how instantly you contradict yourself!

[@torbjornlindholm4098]

Which occupation? Be more specific before you say something like that 😂

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

@@torbjornlindholm4098 There is only one occupation, so it's perfectly specific.

[@torbjornlindholm4098]

@@ZarlanTheGreen Some say it’s the occupation of Judea and Samaria and some say it’s the entirety of Israel🤦. If you aren’t specific how should I know what you’re talking about?

[@jackduane5555]

End Islam1c t3rrorism

[@Jobe-13]

Palestine and Gaza have to do something about these groups popping up and not tolerate or support them.

[@Temujin1206]

More to the point Israel and the US need to do something, specifically ending the Occupation by accepting a legitimate peace deal. The Israeli Occupation of Palestine is brutal and completely untenable, however since International law and the "rules-based system" have utterly failed to do anything beyond say that it is bad Palestinians are quite reasonably going to throw their support behind the only option which seems to give them any hope of liberation. The issue is that the earlier, secular liberation groups were destroyed by Israel (because they supported Palestinian rights) and the US (because they were largely leftist and threatened Israel's wishes) and the "peace plans" proposed by Israel have been unworkable nonsense designed to portray Israel as pro-peace while ensuring the Palestinians would never accept-which has allowed the religious right to protray themselves as that only option for liberation. End the occupation and you strip away the majority of the power the religious right has through it's resistance, which will majorly shift the power of these groups within Palestinian society.

[@peter_de_Jong817]

Or maybe fix the conditions that result in people joining these groups, like stopping oppressing the Palestinians...

[@donaldwobamajr6550]

⁠@@Temujin1206Except this is impossible. When they talk about the “occupation,” they mean the mere existence of Israel and its people. They want to end the “occupation” by massacring the Jews of the region. There never was a moderate Palestinian opposition that got destroyed by Israel. The goal of the Palestinian movement has always been the genocide of the Jews. The only difference is whether they want to justify this desire through nationalism of through religion.

[@NouveauView]

​@@peter_de_Jong817 The conditions are the way they are because groups like the PLO and Hamas embezzle almost all the aid they get from the outside world and are propped up as Iranian proxies.

[@NouveauView]

​@@Temujin1206"Occupation" being jihadist talk for Jewish people existing.

[@phil2544]

You didn't explain who the PFJ are

[@explosivereactionstv7414]

Then look for a source that will. This is a five minute history video

[@DagothUrSpeaks-yy6fj]

@@explosivereactionstv7414 It's a 5 minute zionist propaganda video you mean

[@reviewtechusaexpose9260]

all the same brain washed

[@user-vu6vu7fp5s]

Who tf made this crap😂 80% of the information in the video is completely wrong

[@Joseph_ebuka]

Why dont you point out one wrong info in the video

[@user-vu6vu7fp5s]

@@Joseph_ebuka but yeah as long as the clueless are having fun🤦🏻

[@eschur]

Totally fake map in the thumbnail that takes a big chunk out of Israel and I won't even watch the video for that reason

[@samyrandome425]

Would be more interesting to talk about Yasser Arafat and the history of Fateh as it's a way bigger and more prominent party. Hope this isn't a way to paint the image of Palestinian resistance as an islamist Jihad when looking at it's historical context it is and always was a colonial resistance fighting a theocratic racist oppressive apartheid regime.

[@eranhaim9913]

bruh the PLO, the PA, and Fatah which holds the majority of the PA, and the party of Mahmood Abbas, the president of the PA is enjoying 8% support, according to recent polls. this conflict has turned from being a conflict about two peoples, to a conflict about religion in the 90's. you're talking about very outdated stuff. but Arafat was the biggest deceiver and one of the worst Palestinian leaders,. Israel was fully committed to resolving the conflict with two states, and the dude used his police's weapons to carry terrorism... like this doesn't make sense for the interests of the Palestinians but I guess that's the kind of Person you gotta be to enjoy the support of Palestinians. Hamas enjoys 80% support among them, and about the same percentage of the population feel pride and glee for the medieval attack.

[@Daniel-jv1ku]

@@eranhaim9913 Facts!

[@Daniel-jv1ku]

Yasser Arafat - one of the 20th century's largest terrorists and hijacker of planes around the world 😂 Objectively, Jews are the indigenous people of the Land of Israel. Objectively, Arabs are not indigenous to the Land of Israel. Objective history disagrees with public opinion.

[@angusmackaskill3035]

something you just made up

[@xhorxheetxeberria-td1hu]

How does a European nation unilaterally decide to create a European nation on Arab land and not expect the Arabs to fight back?

[@elithompson4167]

Your question is hard to answer. 1. There was no unliteral move by one nation. The creation of two states was something that was voted for by the United Nations. 2. Europeans created European nations such as Kuwait, Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq and deprived nationhood of many peoples like the Kurds. It's unclear how the Middle East would look like otherwise. Perhaps modern day Turkey and Iran would have taken much more control. 3. What do you mean by "Arab land"? Before WW1 the territory was owned by the Ottoman Empire as was most of the Middle East. 4. "not expect the Arabs to fight back" What do you mean by fight back and against who? Who was Egypt fighting back against when it took Gaza or Jordan when it took the West Bank?

[@MohammedAli-hl4mr]

By 4 hes probably refering to palestinians ​@@elithompson4167

[@mappingshaman5280]

​@elithompson4167 2: none of those are European nations 3: the land was arab majority and had been for 1300 years. Palestine was 95% arab. They had just as much a right to a nation as for instance Armenia, which was also owned by the ottomans and Russia and hadn't been independent in almost 1000 years. 4: Israel genius. It frankly does not matter if Egypt annexes gaza or Jordan annexes the west bank as these are both arab nations and thus it is roughly the same as prussia annexing bavaria or Serbia annexing Bosnia to form yugoslavia.

[@Daniel-jv1ku]

@@mappingshaman5280 You're admitting that it has nothing to do with an independent state of Palestine or occupation. You're proving that "Palestinians" is just a brand invented in the 1960s to describe the local Arabs, not a unique nation with an ancient history. You're admitting that if so-called "Palestine" was occupied by Saudi Arabia or some other Arab country, you wouldn't have any problem about it and you wouldn't be demanding a State of Palestine. You're Arabs that believe that the entire Middle East belongs to Arabs, even though historically the Arabs were the ones that left Arabia in order to colonize the Middle East, destroy its original inhabitants, force them to adopt Arab culture & the Arabic language, and forcibly convert them to Islam. You are the colonizers. If you were honest about your history, if you didn't claim that you're "Palestinians" and admitted that you never had this identity until you decided to destroy Israel, if you admitted that Arabs colonized the Middle East and wiped out its indigenous peoples, and if you admitted that Jews are the indigenous people of the Land of Israel... the world would not support you - and that's why you lie! And they're falling for your lies! At this point, Israel understands that you are winning the propaganda war and they see that, one day, there will be an American president that will support Israel's destruction since 50% of young adults in America support literally getting rid of Israel. You can either stop and make peace. Or you can carry on and suffer the consequences of your own actions. If you continue, eventually Israel will deport all Palestinian Arabs that want to destroy Israel. Israeli Arabs are generally moderate and are citizens of Israel, so obviously they have the right to stay. Palestinian Arabs who don't want to destroy Israel and want to live in peace will be given citizenship. The rest, which is the vast majority, will be deported. The choice is yours.

[@sharwama992]

@@mappingshaman5280I like the way you guys expose yourself without knowing it.

[@rpmcmurphy5482]

Western sugar-coated explanation 🥱

[@HM-rz8nv]

My thinking exactly, and not unexpected from a hack "history" channel like this. It rings major alarm bells that in the midst of an ongoing genocide, that Hilbert chooses to focus on a specific and relatively small group with extremely minimal historical context.

[@the-kc4gp]

do you guys support hitler

[@myinstgiscarbenuim1693]

​@@the-kc4gpno actually, the closest supporters of Hitler are isreali supporters

[@greatwolf5372]

Murphy? Are you not Western yourself then? So pot calling kettle black lmao

[@rpmcmurphy5482]

🤫Western raised. Globally educated. Go troll a noob. 🫡

[@alhusin2010]

There main is the liberation of Palestine. Same thing, different framing.

[@54032Zepol]

Quick! Name a compatibility value between islam and the west!!?

[@ilayohana3150]

2 hours later can't think of a single thing.

[@noahbrock349]

Completely incompatible.

[@peter_de_Jong817]

As if Islam is the only thing that we could have in common... Their are many different cultures, and yes there are aspects that are the same with the west.

[@54032Zepol]

@@peter_de_Jong817 go ahead name one. Not secularism, not women's rights, not LGBT, not freedom of religion, maybe... colonialism is a good step, you know arabs colonized the Levant, north Africa, Greece, the Balkans, Anatolia, south east Asia, etc etc. Just like the west did!

[@owenm.1282]

You cultural colonialists want everybody to mimic you. Stop your rambling, you and your crooked western values aren't the center of the world.

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

You continuously talk about various Palestinian, pro-Palestine, and/or anti-Israeli groups, that are bad ...but not a single word, about what lead to their existence: How *_foreign invaders_* (Zionists. Most being non-Jewish ...and most Jews *_not_* being Zionists), ethnically cleansed most of Palestine (part forced exile, part massacre) of their native population (who had lived there for countless generations), and stole that land, for foreign Western Jews with no ties to the land to establish the Jewish supremacist theocratic ethnostate of Israel. In what the Zionists initially openly admitted, was an invasion and a settler colonialist project. (before that became less acceptable) You also make no mention, of how Israelis have constantly talked about how they aim to take all of the land. Taking over all of Palestine, and having no Palestinians left, in the land. About how the ruling Likud party, has this goal in their party's charter. Or how, with the founding of Israel, the non-Jewish Zionists managed (as was their main goal) to get rid of a lot of the Jews in their lands, and how it lead to the obvious reaction harassment/attacks against Jews, telling them to go to Israel (with many such attacks on Jews, *_being instigated by Israel!),_* as well as producing massive hatred, resentment, and anti-Jewish sentiment, among Palestinians, Arabs, and many others ...all of which was obvious and predictable, and welcomed by Zionists. Also, never forget that the Nazis initially tried to get rid of the Jews, by moving them to a different land. (they chose Madagascar) They just found it to be too impractical, so they went with systematic murder, instead. (and they no doubt preferred them being dead, of course)

[@eranhaim9913]

bruh my pa's side is all from Jerusalem and lived there for at least 500 years. you have no clue what you're talking and you're spewing bs your prof told you. Jews are more native to the land of Israel than anyone else. in fact this land's name was changed from Judea to Syria-Palaestina to remove the connection of the Jews after they were ethnically cleansed by Rome. yet Jews lived on the land of Israel for thousands of years since before Islam and Christianity, and had two kingdoms, of Judea and Israel, and a developed civilization. Jews established Jerusalem, Hebron(which is now a majority Arab Muslim city in the West Bank), Scheme(changed to Nablus), Nazareth, Tzfat, Tiberias, and Even Azza (Gaza) are all Hebrew Israeli cities taken over or handed over by one or more of the ruthless imperial powers that occupied this land. and the Pals never even called themselves pals until the 60's. they considered themselves part of the single Arab people. and right now 80% of the population of Jordan identify as Palestinian, so it is already a state for so called "palestinians", but we will not give up on truth and justice. you can't make up history to suite your nefarious mission. and your side's imagination have ran too rampant recently. I will end by saying that Hamas is the mainstream of Palestinians. Hamas enjoys 80% support, while Abbas' Fatah that controls the West Bank gets merely 8%. they love the violence and barbarism and voted for them time after time. Even Arafat took the weapons he got to make a police force, at a time that Israel was willing to give up land with great cultural, national, and religious value to us, while putting ourselves at greater risk, in order to make peace, and instead of concluding the conflict in peace, he turned these weapons against Israelis and soft targets in a continuation of the barbarism that you gotta enact to be popular amongst the Palestinian population.

[@sus527]

You do realize their are Islamic groups like these all over the world?like Philippines, Nigeria,Sudan etc this is definitely not something just limited to Israel movement it something much bigger

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

@@sus527 No. The groups in Israel, *_are first and foremost,_* about getting their land back. About rejecting the foreign invaders. The settler colonialists. Their islamism comes second. ...and the support for them. the people who are drawn to them *_in desperation_* for some effort against the oppression and ethnic cleansing from Israel, would severely drop if Israel were abolished ...or if Palestinians were at least given their own sovereign state. (though in the latter case, they'd still want their old land/homes back, that Israel stole from them, so there would still be anger and resentment, towards Israel ...and keep in mind, that not a single inch of Israel is anything other ethnically cleansed and than stolen land, stolen by foreign invaders)

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

@@sus527 No. The groups in Israel, *_are first and foremost,_* about getting their land back. About rejecting the foreign invaders. The settler colonialists. Their islamism comes second. Also, the support they get, the people who go to them in desperation, do so because of the oppression/massacres, from Israel. Not religion.

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

A lot of talk, of Palestinian terrorist, or other terrorists, who are anti-Israel and/or pro-Palestine, on this channel. *_But not a word, about the far more extensive, destructive, and pervasive Zionist/Israeli terrorism._* This shows a clear bias, and defence/denial of genocide...

[@torbjornlindholm4098]

If you are talking about the Kach party, it’s banned in Israel and the majority of Israelis condemn it and it’s considered a terrorist organization. Do the Palestinians condemn their terrorist brothers?

[@ZarlanTheGreen]

@@torbjornlindholm4098 What about the illegal settlers? The people *_convicted_* of terrorism, who are now in high office in Israel? Or the (ruling) Likud Part? (who have the goal of eliminating Palesitine, in their charter) Or the IDF? _"Do the Palestinians condemn their terrorist brothers?"_ Yes.

[@randomperson-uj4bp]

@@ZarlanTheGreen 1. "Palestinians do not condemn their terrorist brothers." As you know, the Palestinian Authority has for decades provided financial compensation and other benefits to families of terrorists jailed in Israeli prisons and “martyrs” killed while carrying out attacks against Israelis. These payments cost the PA more than $300 million annually, at 8% of its budget. The answer if that they condone terrorism. 2. "What about the illegal settlers?" I do not support Israel nessecarily in that, however Palestinian terrorists are casuing the settlements to be walled. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu and Likud are unpopular, its likely that they will be booted out of power after the war,

[@torbjornlindholm4098]

@@ZarlanTheGreenSo why 70% of the Palestinians support Oct the 7th attacks while the large majority of Israelis see Baruch Goldstein as a terrorist. I don’t think the amount of condemnation is equal.

[@jackduane5555]

Just admit that you hate Jews

[@domtweed7323]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@the-kc4gp]

nah

[@achilles7607]

Palestine doesn't exist. It was never a country, a state or a kingdom. It's still doesn't exist today. Israel and Judah are 4000 years old. Free Judea and Samaria🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

[@torbjornlindholm4098]

لا

[@igorsm9397]

I'm waiting for the Islamic Unification for the liberation of Palestine 🇵🇸

[@kwabat5389]

In your dreams pal

[@peter_de_Jong817]

Indeed, hopefully the oppression will soon stop!

[@noahbrock349]

A caliphate? Anyway, what do you mean by "liberation"? The only thing from which Palestine must be liberated is H-mas and the evils of Isl-mic extremism.

[@noahbrock349]

​@@peter_de_Jong817You don't think that the people of Palestine would be oppressed under a brutal Isl-mist dictatorship.

[@noahbrock349]

A caliphate? Anyway, what do you mean by "liberation"? The only thing from which Palestine must be liberated is H-mas and the evils of Isl-mic extremism.