Who are The Apostolic Fathers? | SIMPLIFIED | History, Writings, and Background

In the very first centuries after Jesus, Christianity was still taking shape. This video explores a fascinating group of influential figures who bridged the gap between the original Apostles and the developing Church: the Apostolic Fathers. We'll meet some of the key figures like Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, and Polycarp of Smyrna, uncovering their connections to the Apostles themselves.
These early Christian leaders weren't just chroniclers; they were also theologians who helped shape the development of Christian doctrine. We'll explore how their ideas and arguments played a crucial role in establishing core principles that continue to influence Christianity today. So, if you've ever wondered who these early leaders were and how they left their mark on the faith, this video is for you.
Next, we'll delve into their writings, though not included in the New Testament, these writings offer invaluable insights into the beliefs and practices of the early Church. We'll examine documents like the Didache, a manual for early Christian life, and the Epistle of Barnabas, which explores themes of faith and works. Through these works, we can gain a clearer picture of how Christianity was understood and practiced in those crucial first generations.
Thanks for watching this exploration of the Apostolic Fathers! If you enjoyed this video, consider subscribing for more dives into Church history and Christian thought. Don't forget to leave a comment below and let me know what other early Christian topics you'd like to see explored!
Thank you again and God bless!
0:00 Overview
1:30 The Big 3 (Clement of Rome)
2:10 Ignatius of Antioch
3:05 Polycarp of Symrna
3:47 Other Figures (Papias of Hierapolis)
4:33 Quadratus of Athens
5:16 Aristides of Athens
6:04 Early Christian Writings
6:14 Didache
7:12 Epistle of Barnabas
7:44 Shepard of Hermas
8:40 Honorable Mentions
8:59 Wrap Up
9:17 Subscribe :)
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[@JoseRodriguez-dw9dv]

All these books are free? Or does one have to buy them all? Any recommendations, I've been interested in church history (pre nicean)

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Yeah, here’s where you can find not only these writings but a ton of others for free. It’s also very beneficial to own the physical copy whenever you can afford to. www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html

[@askthiscatholic3941]

Another great book is "Fathers know Best" by Jimmy Akin

[@mfjh505]

They agreed unanimously on the divinity of Christ, the Trinity, infant baptism and that the Eucharist is the true flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.

[@BigAl53750]

Then they believed in unbiblical false doctrine, because the Bible does not teach this.

[@mfjh505]

@BigAl53750 The apostolic fathers were here before the bible was an official canon. The bible was formed in 382 AD in the counsel of Rome. The Catholic church decided which books were in and which books were not. For 382 years long before the bible was official Christians were developing and following traditions that were handed down by the disciples. These traditions were past down for 2000 years through apostolic succession.

[@KFish-bw1om]

​@@mfjh505 No the Bible was not "formed in 382 AD". The OT canon was well established before the incarnation of Christ, i.e. the beginning of the NT era. Otherwise Christ's own references to "the scriptures" in the NT wouldn't make any sense. Interestingly enough, that same OT canon is confirmed by Athanasius in his 39th Festal Letter in 367 AD, in which he also attests to the entire NT canon as we have today, 15 years prior to when you claim "the Bible was formed". Writing in AD 94, 3 centuries earlier, Josephus also confirms the same OT canon as Athanasius. The Codex Vaticanus also contained the entire NT canon, and that was written 30 years before the council of Rome. There's also evidence in the New Testament itself, that the apostolic church was already establishing the NT canon very early on as it was being written, such as 2 Peter 3:16 where Peter refers to Paul's epistles as scripture. Justin Martyr refers to the 4 gospels in the mid-2nd century, and Iraneus references virtually the entire NT canon, including the 4 gospels, all of the epistles, and Revelation, in AD 180. In other words, all of the evidence we have from the early church cleary shows that they had the full canon of scripture that we have today by at least the 2nd century (probably earlier), and that their canon matched the "Protestant" canon of today identically.

[@christcolumbus9555]

​@@KFish-bw1omthe Church father you are referring are Catholics not Protestant. There are plenty of codex before Pope Damasus iniatiated the Council of Rome and they have no uniformed canon of the New Testament. The Church decide that there should be 27 books in the New Testament

[@christcolumbus9555]

​@@KFish-bw1omAthanasius is Catholic by the way. If you will take research of the canonization of NT you can realize that the selection of the books are GRADUAL, till Athanasius suggested the 27 books of NT and it was finalized and Canonized by the Church Magisterium during Council of Rome, Hippo and Carthage

[@adams6464]

Just a side note because I didn't hear you mention it: when scholars reference the "Apostolic Fathers" they are also including those writing that have no authors attributed to them (ie the Shepherd of Hermas and the Didache). Great video!

[@nofragmentado]

So proud all of them were Christian Catholic and 8 am proud to be part of the church Jesus build (started) in Peter. Good Job 👏🏻👏🏻

[@triggered8556]

They definitely weren’t papists lol. They were Orthodox

[@evelynkerubo7398]

​@@triggered8556 The early Church had a Pope, so you're wrong.

[@triggered8556]

@@evelynkerubo7398 that’s not the argument, they didn’t believe in Vatican I Papalism. The Bishop of Rome was first among equals, not supreme pontiff.

[@simonslater9024]

@@triggered8556yes the orthodox CULTS

[@simonslater9024]

@@triggered8556wrong. Look up your history.

[@timothyjones5959]

Nice work. I’m wanting to learn more about early church fathers. I love the short and sweet.

[@ChristRisenLord]

Thanks brother! Amazing video

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Appreciate that brother, God bless.

[@freedominion7369]

As someone revisiting and refreshing my faith, thanks for this relevant information ✝️

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

I appreciate that a lot!

[@Alex_Vlass]

Too many Christians take the history for granted; these saints had more Holy Spirit than we could’ve wished for, it’s only right we consider their teachings. They believed the Eucharist wasn’t just a metaphor, but the true sacrifice of Christ. ☦️

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Exactly, it’s very difficult to show people the truth when they’ve been living their own truths rather than The Truth.

[@BigAl53750]

IF they did, then they believed something that is unbiblical and therefore false doctrine.

[@gjshordja]

Lol 😂 And you have spoken, case closed. No arguments.

[@damnmexican90]

​@@BigAl53750 Silence anti christ

[@mariebo7491]

⁠@@BigAl53750you’re saying Ignatius, who was discipled by John and was a witness to the Apostles works and earliest writers, believed something false along with all the rest who also believed that for the first 1500 years? That’s quite the assertion. What makes it “unbiblical”? Even the Protestant heroes Luther and Calvin believed in the real presence in the Eucharist. Was quite clear in their writings.

[@punkdrummr2000]

Good videos bro. Thanks for the hard work.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Thank you man I appreciate that fr. God bless you.

[@punkdrummr2000]

@SeekingTruthFindingJesus we are being called home by Christ. It doesnt matter what was done. It's just time to come back home.

[@anthonytoinks3295]

Great work! Thank you and God bless you more!

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Much appreciated brother.

[@ZZZELCH]

Good video

[@OpieApproved]

Consider this: if Peter who is the main apostle to the Jews-Galatians 2:7 was mistaken in his ways under the new covenant that he had to be corrected at the time of his leadership-Acts 11:9 and even by his fellow apostle Paul-Galatians 2:11, how are the apostolic church claimants (Catholic/Orthodox) so certain that their church fathers did not err in some of their practice? A more critical question is if it was agreed that Paul was to be the main apostle to the gentiles, what had become of the churches he started whose fathers would be scripturally traced like Timothy and Titus?

[@traildude7538]

It's pronounced "did-ah-KHE" with the "kh" pronounced like the German "ch" in "ach". Also the "h" in Hermas is not silent; the word is pronounced like "her MOSS", accent on the final syllable.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Absolutely man, great call. God bless you.

[@zeektm1762]

Please consider citing sources in your description for the main points of your video.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

I gotchu

[@francissweeney7318]

The gospels are not corrupted. I know because as Jesus promised in John 16:13, The Holy Spirit does lead those who receive it to all truth.

[@christcolumbus9555]

Who compiled the Bible that was inspired by the Holy Spirit

[@nofragmentado]

@@christcolumbus9555 the Catholic Church

[@evelynkerubo7398]

How do you know the verse you quoted is not corrupted?

[@francissweeney7318]

The Holy Spirit, as Jesus stated, leads those who have received it into truth. Jesus is The Truth.

[@simonslater9024]

@@christcolumbus9555the early Catholic Church father’s came together in 397AD at the council of Carthage and inspired by the Holy Spirit decided which 73 book’s would make up the canon of sacred scripture though the person who made the ultimate decision was his holiness pope St Siricius 1,who reigned from 384 - 399AD. So the Bible is the only infallible book in the world. St Augustine said he only believed in the Bible because of the authority of the holy Catholic Church which is the ONLY CHURCH and is the mystical body of Christ on earth. God bless. Ps please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then Following Padre Pio. Also the papacy can not be destroyed. Also Don’t call protestant’s Christian!

[@joedorazio8697]

Good summary. What about the Apology by Justin Martyr?

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Thank you and also you are absolutely right I should have included Justin Martyr in the video huge person I overlooked, I plan on making individual videos on each saint and their writings so I will definitely have one on him. [EDIT] conveniently enough when I do the Greek fathers and Latin fathers I can put Justin martyr in the Greek father’s video.

[@Bus1226]

I cannot find any source calling Aristides as an Apostolic Father, can you put the source you found it as? I read some articles online and Jerome's biography of him and i dont really see where it mentions he had apostolic teachings

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

You are absolutely correct, mistake on my part.

[@Bus1226]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus Its okay, I would still like a source on how you saw that if possible. Jerome's biography of Aristides says "Aristides a most eloquent Athenian philosopher, and a disciple of Christ while yet retaining his philosopher's garb" so I wonder if he tried to imply he somehow knew Jesus (possibly one of the 70) or was just saying he was simply a Christian. And he was closely associated with Quadratus, so I do wonder if there was any chance of Aristides being an Apostolic Father. Again, no worries, just curious where you got it. God bless

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

@@Bus1226 conveniently enough that technically is the source, and that’s the only way we can actually determine whether or not he was an apostolic father. So Jerome’s writing does imply atleast, that either 1. He knew Christ (personally I think that would have been made clearer) or 2. He studied directly underneath apostles and their disciples giving him a stronger direct link to Christ. For me the time period Aristides existed in and the impact he had, led me to include him in this video.

[@greglogan7706]

I am puzzled re a statement made by Irenaus in Book III Chapter 9. I realize he is not in your list but I thought you might be able to provide input. My puzzlement is that this statement seems in direct contrast to later conciliar theology and christology. "This, therefore, having been clearly demonstrated here (and it shall yet be so still more clearly), that neither the prophets, nor the apostles, nor the Lord Christ in His own person, did acknowledge any other Lord or God, but the God and Lord supreme: the prophets and the apostles confessing the Father and the Son; but naming no other as God, and confessing no other as Lord: and the Lord Himself handing down to His disciples, that He, the Father, is the only God and Lord, who alone is God and ruler of all;-it is incumbent on us to follow, if we are their disciples indeed, their testimonies to this effect...There is therefore one and the same God, the Father of our Lord..." - Irenaeus of Lyons, “Irenæus against Heresies,” in The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, ed. Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe, vol. 1, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company, 1885), 422.

[@lasttrump6015]

Did you mention Justin Martyr and Irenaeus ? both were very well versed in scripture and early Apostolic teaching.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Those guys are very integral. I’ll definitely have to make a part 2 because there are many other important figures that need to be known.

[@vasiliossmith2616]

Return to the one Holy catholic Apostolic Church of the Holy Fathers and the Ecumenical council's decision

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Both Orthodox and Catholics both make this exact same claim, so which church are you referring to.

[@michelvanderschaaf6914]

​@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus that was the same Church, so both claims a true

[@WilliamFlemming-gk3cn]

Orthodox,Greek Catholic,eastern church,one true church that never left the United church.take your pick.

[@vasiliossmith2616]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus the answer is the Ecumenical council's decision and the Holy Fathers. If you can study the above you will find the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH

[@SUDMONEYBAGS]

W channel

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

W comment, God bless.

[@first_namelast_name3760]

4:16 this is St. Nektarios Aegina not Papias of Hierapolis. St. Nektarios reposed on early 20th century

[@larrybedouin2921]

They were fallible men. Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. {Jeremiah 17:5} But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. {James 2:9}

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Absolutely, and so were the people who compiled the Bible.

[@larrybedouin2921]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus Both bible streams, but the word of God endureth forever.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

@@larrybedouin2921 so how would the Word endureth forever if its not for a group of fallible men. What I’m getting at is, yes they are falliable, but all that means is that individually they can make errors, but if a group of these men who truly lived for God come together and discussed and had God at their forefront of reason, then listening to them is a wonderful idea.

[@YoGabbagabba69]

The irony is that although you’re right that they are fallible men, so are those who you just quoted, and everyone else who wrote the Bible (under inspiration of the Holy Spirit). God uses us to deliver his message and to guide his people, such as these church fathers. Just because they are not included in the Bible doesn’t mean we disregard them or throw scripture at them in condemnation or to throw away everything they’ve said or done. We don’t do this treatment to our modern pastors, so we shouldn’t do it to the men who helped build the foundations under persecution.

[@josephdibella4567]

Great video but something to note: you say that only the works of the apostles were considered for the Bible. Paul was not one the 12 apostles but his letters constitute a large portion of the New Testament. Gospel writers, Mark and Luke also we’re not of the 12

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Ah yes this is a wonderful point, thank you for pointing this out!

[@thechatteringmagpie]

It's Shepherd of Hermas.

[@user-ci6vu3qp6k]

Can any one recommend the teaching g's of the church fathers. What did they actually teach? Not about them.

[@sn713]

I & My Father Are One, Son Of God, Messenger Of God ... (Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami) Why a single Jesus made these three statements? He spoke as per the egoism and jealousy of the human beings, which is the prime reason for not accepting incarnation of God. When these are in climax, people crucified Jesus. To a deserving devotee, Jesus told He and His father are one and the same. When Jesus saw a devotee who was slightly affected by jealousy and egoism, Jesus came down by one step saying that He was the son of the God. The word son is indicating that He is different from the God but the same spirit is present in both like the same blood in the father and the son. This means that He is different and smaller than the God but at the same time has the same essence. It is like the relationship between the mighty ocean and the tiny water drop. The father is major and the son is minor component. They resemble qualitatively but differ quantitatively. When Jesus met a devotee who is fully bacterialized by jealousy and egoism He told that He was the humble messenger of God. Therefore the human incarnation will declare its level based on the level of the receiver. Mohammad told that He is the messenger of the Lord. Thus there is a gradual degradation of spiritual obedience and the gradual growth of jealousy and egoism. Jesus stands as a transition bridge between Krishna (who claimed Himself as God) and Mohammad (who claimed only as Prophet). www.universal-spirituality.org/

[@gloriaproductions4680]

That is why the original Church that CHRIST Founded is the Apostolic Church of CHRIST

[@jaytaylor3273]

So that has always confused me, in Matthew 23 it says: 6 They love the places of honor at banquets, the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 the greetings in the marketplaces, and the title of ‘Rabbi’ by which they are addressed.8 But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Why do some address even go so far as to say to a man :forgive me father for I have sinned" or we label men church father, apostolic fathers?

[@annemariekoutsky5054]

John 20:23 Jesus gives the ability to forgive sins

[@annemariekoutsky5054]

Peter calls Mark his son & Paul calls Onesemose his son. Jesus says what Peter calls legal He will honor. SEE: Matt 16:18'19

[@jaytaylor3273]

@@annemariekoutsky5054 so therefore Peter isn't the original "pope", all 11 Disciples are, all except for Thomas? I don't believe the Bible contradicts itself: In Acts 10:43-44, when Peter was sharing the gospel, he said, “Everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.” Also Hebrews 9:22 , Mark 2:6-11

[@annemariekoutsky5054]

@jaytaylor3273 Yes, Jesus forgives sins through Baptism in His Name. However, people still sin after Baptism. All the apostles abandoned Him except John during His execution. That is why in John 20:23 Jesus gives the power to His apostles to forgive sins after Baptism. To Peter only Jesus gave the command to feed and tend His sheep. He changed Peter's name to Kephas which means rock in Greek or Petrus in Latin. JESUS tells him on this rock He will build his church and the gates of Hades will never overcome it.( Matt 16:18-19.) Peter, in English, is the only apostle who Jesus changed his name to give a new role. We see him leading the conversions in Acts on Pentacost, changing the kosher laws after the vision of the sheet, and instructing Paul to remind the new Christians to take care of widows and orphans. The Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday and people were allowed to paint and make images to tell the story of the good news. One can see images of Jesus and Mary painted in the catacombs. Luke & Jude are the first credited for doing this. Remember, the Bible didn't get formed until the 400's. Paul & Peter call those they baptized " sons". (The deciples were the 72 others, not Jesus's closest 12 minus Judas.) These 12 including Matthius, were the original bishops. Peter consulted them for discussion and prayer to make decisions. We call them Patriarchs now. Most are uniate with Rome, though a fall out occurred in the 1100's. GBY

[@annemariekoutsky5054]

Also, "places of honor" goes to the person(s) in charge. Many people sit close to the altar( or preacher) because they don't hear so well, or see to well, or cannot move forward easily for the Communion line. We are all together to worship, listen, and receive. People choose where they want to sit, except for the celebrant, deacons, lectors,and choir. They usually have an assigned spot. GBY

[@sodetsurikomigoshi2454]

di-da-khe-y, not di-da-shay.

[@zeektm1762]

Also, the Didache is properly pronounced “Didakay” “Did-uh-kay” (kay like okay).

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Yeah i realized that after i recorded the video lol thanks for letting me know.

[@kevinclass2010]

Is misleading calling polycarp coming from Turkey since Turks hadn't migrated yet into the region. Anatolia or Asia minor would have been a contemporary name.

[@vvelez5]

"Did-da-kay*"

[@arthurtsiakopoulos2051]

Your faces are wrong. ST. Propios you show is NOT him. Its is the icon of St. Nektarios of Egina Greece.

[@arthurtsiakopoulos2051]

Uniates working overtime. I just love how the Catholic church apologética turns everything around and puts the " Spin" on. The big 3 you are suggesting is of personal preferente. The Holy Fathers are 318 from the first Ecumenical council. There hundred twenty one from the Second E.C. Also you refernce yo the early church, where is Athanasios the Great of Alexandria. Catholic Jersey at its best.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

1. I’m not Catholic 2. How I defined the Apostolic father’s time period in the video is 1st and 2nd century, the first ecumenical council is 4th century. 3. Athanasius is 4th century. 4. Theres a difference between Ante-Nicene Fathers and Apostolic Fathers. All the apostolic fathers are ante-nicene, but not all ante-nicene fathers are apostolic fathers. 5. You had an agenda/vendetta against my video or what I presented before even watching it.

[@arthurtsiakopoulos2051]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus typical heresy, some of your examples have mistakes.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

@@arthurtsiakopoulos2051 lol, tell me what I said was heretical.

[@arthurtsiakopoulos2051]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus This is the reason I don t like sites encroaching on my site. This discussion would not be taking place now. The only reason I answered is to make a point. If I needed to enter a discussion I would have voluntarily entered your channel.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

@@arthurtsiakopoulos2051 copium

[@iamhudsdent2759]

Narrator, you are slurring over words, leaving out whole syllables. Words like anonymity and Aristides. Take time to enunciate.

[@fusionthesinner]

Those who look for truth find Holy Orthodoxy. ☦️

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Although I do believe the EO church does have some validity and is a beautiful Holy church, it’s not as simple as one church is the only truth, if it was everyone would just be EO.

[@shobudski6776]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesusNot true. Humans are fallen. People are prideful and want to be their own popes and follow God their own way. That doesn’t take away the fact that Eastern Orthodoxy is the truth and true form of Christianity established at Pentecost by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Christ is Risen!!☦️

[@gjshordja]

@@shobudski6776lol, everyone makes those same claims! So what was your point?

[@francispena2818]

Every one sez the same thing lmao

[@simonslater9024]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesusit’s the eastern orthodox CULTS NOT churches.

[@tejloro]

PAY-pee-uhs... not puh-PIE-us...

[@frederickanderson1860]

0:44 without the Jewish preservation of their scrolls the 4 gospel's would have no authority or importance

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

when Jesus was crucified, ( as you claim), who runs the world?? so it means "God" has temporary weakness????

[@chad942]

What, no. God the Father runs the world when no one else is around, there are 3 persons in the Godhead, as for weakness, I hope not cause Lucifer is going to have a field day.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Watch my video how can God be a Man? It should logically explain why it makes sense.

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus sorry but runs great counter to common sense. God doesn't poop

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesus sory but God doesn't poop

[@jackmcnally9237]

V. Good!

[@WH6FQE]

The problem with the "apostolic fathers" is they all seemed to have completely forgotten the teachings of Yeshua and the 12 apostles and instead they all followed the false-apostle Paul whose teachings were in direct contradiction to those of Yeshua and the apostles. James, who was the brother of Yeshua and the Bishop of Jerusalem, along with the other apostles held a trial for Paul at the Council of Jerusalem where Paul's teachings were found to be heretical. Paul was told to go back and teach the gentiles correctly. Instead, Paul murdered James. All of this is detailed in the early writings of the "apostolic fathers" but is ignored by the "church".

[@natearmendariz2851]

I've read most of the ante_nicene literature, what document are you referencing?

[@WH6FQE]

@@natearmendariz2851 All of their beliefs are based on the teachings of Paul, not the teachings of Y'shua and the 12 true apostles.

[@WH6FQE]

@@natearmendariz2851 If you remove Paul's false teachings from the New Testament, which it should have never been in there to begin with as none of it was written by him, Christianity would not exist. Christianity is based on Paulism.

[@natearmendariz2851]

@WH6FQE you realize Peter acknowledges Paul in his epistle right? And all 1st and 2nd century literature acknowledges Peter and Paul collectively. You would have to assert that all early Christian literature is a conspiracy. You would have to acknowledge Luke is false and his gospel and the book of Acts since he was Paul's companion. Soooo... yeah

[@WH6FQE]

@@natearmendariz2851 I am aware that they acknowledged him, but they also said that he was teaching incorrectly and admonished him for it.

[@stuartwilliams3164]

Extra Biblical writings and teachings not found in the BIBLE , interesting stories but !!! Acts 17:11,search the scripture to see if it is true,READ YOUR BIBLE !!!!

[@troycequimpo6685]

Until you discover sacred tradition preceded the canon of scripture.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Right on the money @troycequimpo6685. Keep up the good work brother, God bless you!

[@stephent5963]

Whether or not the Catholic 'church' decided the canon is irrelevant. 1 and 2 Peter is still written by Peter who was called to be an apostle. Romans through Philemon are still written by Paul. I will never understand why we need anyone other than the scripture writers. It is a really weak argument because either they sat under the apostles teachings. For instance, Simon the sorcerer, Ananias and Sapphira, and even King Agrippa. Are we to take any words they may have written simply because they met the Apostles? The other argument is that we need to know how the first generation of believers understood the scriptures? Why? They had the Spirit, we have the Spirit. The mind of sinful man, not matter what generation you are born in, does not know the mind of God. Do we not have the anointing today? Is our anointing dependent as to whether or not we correctly read the 'Apostolic' fathers? The very word, as used for them is heresy. Are these probably the same ones that the Ephesian church in Revelation found to be liars. There never has been any other Apostles outside of the 11 and Paul. This is why that church could so confidently assert this. I would argue the biggest sophistry in the Christian church is to look back to 'orthodoxy' as the authority of God's doctrine. Orthodoxy in my opinion has more to do with a party spirit and division and dissensions than a desire to know the will of God and what please Him. In my opinion it is one of the ways God chose to give the end time church over to the powerful delusion......

[@danielcristancho3524]

The ONLY Apostolic Fathers I recognize or have actual authority are the original Apostles and bible writers. And I'm talking about Paul as one of the original 12, not Mathias. The other supposed Apostolic Fathers that came later just had opinions.

[@Must_not_say_that]

Are the Apostolic Fathers the grievous wolves that entered in and arose from the midst, drawing away followers after them, as Paul forewarned? For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. Notice how Paul enforces the primacy of God and His word. That was so soon lost after the Apostles and remains lost to this day among the churches of men. We ar not to call any Father except God and we are to follow Jesus Christ not men.

[@eltonron1558]

The apostolic fathers. The factual avenue of departure from scripture. The obsession with controlling God, began with their own Lord's day.

[@francissweeney7318]

Satan entered the catholic church immediately after the chosen Apostles of Jesus passed.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

According to that logic the Bible is corrupted?

[@francissweeney7318]

No the catholic bible is corrupted.

[@SeekingTruthFindingJesus]

Again, by that logic the Bible is corrupted. Don’t mix RCC with catholic, all the early church fathers were catholic. If Satan entered the catholic church then how do you know the 4 gospels aren’t corrupted if those men didn’t come together and decide 300 years later after Jesus died whether or not they were canon.

[@TheGatheringPlaceGP]

@@SeekingTruthFindingJesusactually the four gospels were collected about 78 A.D. and the New Testament itself compiled in the first century called the Peshitta

[@YoGabbagabba69]

So you’re saying Jesus created the Catholic Church, and then his apostles continued it, but after they died, the church created by Jesus Christ and the apostles fell to Satan?… so Jesus who is God, failed at saving man mind and died for nothing since his church fell to Satan? Even after Jesus promised to the apostles that the gates of hell will not over take it?