Who Are the HIGH LORDS OF TERRA in M42? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@ArbitorIan]

KLENG FOR CHIEF JUDGE! GO KLENG!

[@soupalex]

"don't blame me; _i_ voted for Kleudos!"

[@nullite4589]

Actually it should be Aleya, can you even imagine 🤣

[@Subcomandante73]

Will he be able to Kleng to power?

[@markman11111]

If I click "translate to English" on this comment, it just changes "Kleng" to "small".

[@OldManRogers]

MAKE TERRA GREAT AGAIN! ....again?! HERETIC!

[@mazimadu]

10:27 "... Raskian has augmented himself to be the size of a manufactorium" 😳 *WOT* ?

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Yes, he is a massive Boi. But he has a mastercrafted puppet, that he talks through.

[@greg_mca]

Imagine a boss battle where you're tasked with assassinating one dude and it turns out he's modded himself enough to become a building

[@CanonessEllinor]

Never change, 40k

[@freewillgeorge]

A direct quote from Emperor's Legion Describes him as 'more building than man'

[@Titamiva]

Can you imagine the GW writers watching these videos to sort their own stuff out?

[@Ryan30z]

It's not an unheard of concept. GRRM often consults a mega fan who remembers details of a Game of Thrones better than he does

[@hugmynutus]

A few of the authors have said they use fan wikis & forum posts to track what has/hasn't happened.

[@gamerzpro091]

Im not surprised, if you have multiple writers that usually goes in and out, you dont really have a lot of time to digest all of the lore through reading every single one before writing your own. I recall how writers from Ben 10 had to consult with the fans wikipedia to get ahead with the lore.

[@singtothesilence]

If nothing else, this was a wonderful showcase of bizarre and byzantone Imperial names.

[@chrisjones6792]

I know this is a typoe, but I love Byzantone as in, similar in audible tone to the vibes of the Byzantine.

[@esbenandersen2168]

"Baldo Slyst". Has there ever been a more evil sounding character? No beating around the bush on this one.

[@mattjames6847]

'Goge Vandire'

[@esbenandersen2168]

@@mattjames6847I'll agree that he was the more evil guy, but his name is almost comical. Goge is too close to doge.

[@mattjames6847]

Don't make me post the TTS quote

[@esbenandersen2168]

@@mattjames6847Don't know what you're referring to so please do!

[@mattjames6847]

@@esbenandersen2168'That name screams I'm going to take my p**** and jam it in your eye socket' or something to that effect, you wouldn't disagree with the Emperor now,would you?

[@stefancarter1]

I feel personally called out after seeing the thumbnail and going “ooh a tier list!!” and clicking the video.

[@Gronmin]

Where as I didn't even put together what the lines were for I just clicked for the title lol

[@nwahally]

CC calling them the " High Lords Of Terror" is kinda fitting, TBH.

[@Shaderaygun]

Weirdly enough, High Lord politics are some of my favorite parts of 40k fiction. Loved it in Beast Arises (and talking about the high lords of that era might make for an interesting video) and loved it in the Watchers of the Throne books. Really hope there is a third entry in that series.

[@KingCronan]

a video on the beast arises series would be great!

[@ala5530]

And it's the Beast Arises series that saw the Assassinorum get its permanent seat among the High Lords (although given the War of the Beast led into the Beheading, I'm somewhat surprised the restored High Twelve let them keep it, what with Drakan Vangorich's effective coup)

[@baynemacgregor8441]

The politics were the best part of both series. I loved the modern era books through and througgh, the Beast books though often had me waiting patiently through the battles that sometimes got a bit tedious till the excellent politics pieces. I'm really hoping we get more political intrigue novels from Black Library.

[@theranger6411]

High Lords Of Terra:" We are outlawing law hammers" The Grey kinghts: "WHATTTTTTT!!?!!?!!?"

[@Lazorz210]

For as loose as 40k cannon can be, I wonder if the vaguery around the last 2 slots was Wraight's move (or the editors move) to give some leeway for other authors to slot someone in if their story required it. Or now to expand on Kleng into a real character. Kleng for Provost-Marshal!

[@ArbitorIan]

ELECT KLENG!

[@MHF013]

11:25 There was also Decius XXIII, the previous Ecclesiarch, who for the longest time was the ONLY "current" High Lord in the setting to have a name. In the events of the Audio Drama, "Our Martyred Lady", it's revealed that he was corrupted by Chaos and was then assassinated by St. Celestine. The timeline of his rule conflicts with that of Baldo, so who knows when that all happened.

[@syvarris467]

The Man-clessiarch was corrupted by Chaos?! ;-;

[@Mr_Waffle.]

Desperately waiting for the next The Lion book where he meets up with Bob G who offers him a seat on the council, and he goes lol nope and forest walks far far away

[@TomK_421]

The little captions on the images are excellent

[@matthewgreen8454]

Lol, the Fabricator General is a building?

[@ArbitorIan]

He's just big boned

[@11fladjams]

I'm in awe at the size of this lad

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

He's a absolut unit

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

​@@Yurt_enthusiast7he's a unit!!! A literal computing unit!!!

[@etiennegarant7545]

I so adore the byzantine politics of the High Lords, thanks for that video which is very visually helpful and goes beyond name-dropping. Also... Wasn't Raskian... erhm.. "indisposed" by the ending events of the Vaults of Terra series? Is he considered missing in action or did he made it back?

[@ArbitorIan]

He must have made it back. He's still active as per Genefather, which is quite a bit later (as far as anyone can tell!)

[@etiennegarant7545]

@@ArbitorIan Horray! Havn't read that one yet, thank you the info :)

[@ITCamefromthePage]

@@ArbitorIan I really hope we find out that the Mechanicum have just been dressing up a random manifactorum and pretending like he's still alive.

[@baynemacgregor8441]

@@ITCamefromthePage that would be extremely in keeping with classic 40k's old overt satire.

[@jhavent1]

The Vaults of Terra/Watchers of the Throne series is absolutely fantastic fwiw, well worth a read for anyone looking at more 'modern' 40k novels

[@baynemacgregor8441]

agreed. Some of the best ones in a while. I particularly enjoyed the audiobook versions, great performances as well as great writing.

[@willogsdon7092]

Nice, I have enough time to listen the whole way through before the kids get home from school

[@dekai7992]

Your video comes exactly at the right time. Thank you for helping me through rough times.

[@glandhound]

Baldo sounds like the Bald cousin of Sly Marbo

[@ImrahilToChaos]

The Arbites being forgotten about by the writers yet again despite being a central pillar of its workings? I’m truly shocked.

[@ArbitorIan]

VOTE KLENG! KLENG FOR PROCTOR MARSHAL

[@Mr_Quimper]

One version of Cawl (Cawl Inferior) appeared to have designs on being Fabricator-General.

[@joeyoung431]

I've often wished GW would put together an asymmetrical board game chronicling the Gothic palace politics of the High Lords. The product line - 4-5 characters in the core set and another 6-10 released as expansion packs - pretty much develops itself and would function as a 40K iteration of things like Root and Scythe. As someone who's scaled back their 40K consumption a lot due to sheer fatigue with the financial commitment ("Buy the game, buy an army book, buy an army, buy another army, buy the new edition"), I would buy and play the living daylights out of a product like that. What does everybody else think? Also these novels sound really good - I should probably track them down. The High Lords are an underutilised part of the setting and I'd like to see how they're being used. Credit to the Arbitor for the recommendation.

[@terraneaux]

I want a Cthulhu Wars-sque game about the Unification Wars.

[@talscorner3696]

Blackstone Fortress style? Oh, I'd *love* that!

[@noserenda]

Sister of Silence erasure continues at 7:05ish :P

[@chrishughes8102]

The Chris Wraight books are excellent. I would love if Georgius (the servo skull) would appear again. Burn Hereticus!!

[@sylvia_laroux]

I recently finished listening to the Vaults of Terra trilogy on Audible, well-written all around! (that Skull earned his spot as my fave character, haha)

[@Hatypus]

Even if they head of the Imperial Navy isn't on the High Lords of Terra, I would dearly love to see them, or the head of Battlefleet Solar, with the Amphion as their flagship.

[@ezekielthedragon7558]

I really like these types of lore videos.

[@CocoHutzpah]

I'd like the last two high lords to remain ambiguous. It makes a good joke of the Imperium being so bureaucratic that you don't know who is in charge of everything.

[@windwind3170]

You would think that with constant wars being waged by and upon the Imperium the Militarum and Navy would hold more permanent positions.

[@ArbitorIan]

Well, their boss is always on the council.

[@josepholiveira2873]

GW: Guilliman back, and he's going to reform the Imperium! Fans: Oh boy! Maybe it'll suck less! Guilliman: Focuses on appointing military leaders to formerly civilian roles, fills multiple seats (including his own) with absentee leaders who will have to either delegate to cronies or just leave the needs of government unaddressed. Fans: ....Oh, right. 40k. Nothing can ever be good.

[@DoomStroller]

Great vid! Appreciate you diving a little deeper into the current setting. Devils in the details

[@baynemacgregor8441]

I thought Oud was missing and likely deadin the webway after the failed Drukhari meeting went wrong?

[@ArbitorIan]

He's still in charge as per Genefather, which is set decades later

[@matthewgraham4811]

The content for these videos is always great but I think the best part is the intro and outro music.

[@rahjar]

I'm sure ive read somewhere that there were lords of terra under the high lords, like the commandant of the schola progena, the synopticon, but I guess these are the super senior ones

[@ArbitorIan]

Yeah, it's stated that the wider Senatorum is full of everyone from high-ranking scribes to leaders of smaller departments.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Great video. This was both entertaining and informative. This whole politics and this whole High Lords faction has been great to learn about. Keep up the good work.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

I like to believe that Alpharius is disguising himself as a High Lord.

[@andrejjelcic3675]

I always thought that the Captain General of the Custodes had a permanent chair but had kept it empty... Nice video.

[@Spaxuable]

I love all the different names they come up with.

[@TheMrDewil]

I wonder, with all that bureaucracy, was there a precedent when someone was high lord and had no idea about it?

[@eater_of_garbage_]

Probably not, there's a LOT of political machinations involved in even having your name considered to be a high lord

[@hugmynutus]

"So anyways I started blasting" - Vindicare temple during the hexarchy crisis.

[@Camouflage2770]

Imagine a building having a seat on the council..

[@glandhound]

yo mamma so fat...

[@Neves1789]

Really good video, enjoyed this one!

[@Turalyon0001]

Excellent video, I really really enjoyed the Vaults of Terra series, with very characters in it.

[@jamesmckenna4460]

G tier: for the genestealers in the high places

[@talscorner3696]

KLENG FOR CHIEF JUDGE!

[@Hatypus]

I'm pretty sure Raskian was *against* the disolution of the edict of restraint? Because the Custodes have technology restricted from Mars' eyes and them being more active across the galaxy might expose some degree of absence of a need to rely on the Mechanicus so much.

[@MortalAgenda]

Drink every time Ian says ‘millennia’ 😅 Great video as always!

[@neurotraveller]

We need individual books on individual lords

[@glandhound]

As long as we find out who did the badab

[@shanejiraiyacummings1910]

Isn't Oud Oudian Raskian officially missing in action after that Drukhari business?

[@ArbitorIan]

Vaults of Terra concludes just around the return of Guilliman. Raskian is still mentioned as Fabricator General in Genefather, which is a fair bit later, WELL into the Indomitus Crusade.

[@SC1ENCEP1E]

Trajaan Valoris mentioned! 🫡

[@Anjouvis]

Dang, that art of the Senatorum was gorgoes - who's it by?

[@matthewdavies986]

Chris Wraight's book set on terra are all really good, I hope we get more novels focused on the politics and intrigue of the imperial government

[@jimjimson9]

Good shit as always Ian you should do whatever kinda tier list you wanna. I'll take ur perspective as Canon always. Games workshop should employ you tbh❤❤

[@jmwisey01]

Still holding out for a deep drive into the Anphelion Project, but this was a good topic too 👍.

[@Cpt.Midnight88]

Watchers of the throne are two of my favorites and had never heard of the vaults of terra. Are they worth a read ( i play drukahri so my interest is peaked)

[@glandhound]

The Drukhari aspect of it doesn't really get explored until the third book. They are all about an old school inquisitor and his new sidekick with a big hammer... there's also a servo skull which understands low gothic, but vocalizes only in high gothic.

[@0la_N0rdman]

I highly recommend the vaults of terra trilogy if you are interested to learn more of Terra and it's inhabitants. got some fun action, layered characters, and an intriguing plot that can either spell the doom or salvation of Terra. As a Drukahri player i think you will enjoy where the plot goes :) oh, and the books also takes place at around the same time as the watcher of the thrones which is really cool. btw i really enjoyed watchers of the throne, Aleya and Valerian are such a fantastic duo, might be one of my favorite characters in the setting. they compliment each other so perfectly ^^

[@HB2K-h8m]

I love how the Drukhari are represented in The Dark City. Wretched gaunt cadavers, unspeakably alien, horrors almost intolerable to be near to. A world apart from the lithe sexy goths you typically see depicted in fan art.

[@JersyCityDevil]

One thing I always thought when the high lords of terra came up was how obvious it is that they were written for a tabletop wargame. So there are twelve seats but there is none for such matters as infrastructure, agriculture, finances/economy etc. What IS represented in the council ruling a galaxy-spanning state though is an assassination agency that is so secret that 99.9999% of the citizens have never heard of it and which in the great scheme of things very rarely is even utilized. Also, almost all seats have some kind of military connotation. Even in a quasi-fascist state like the Imperium, that seems a bit unbalanced. One more thing that appears a bit odd to me is that the Adeptus Arbites is represented so prominently, as it basically only has non-connected local presences on individual worlds, there are no Imperium-wide Arbites. So it's actually more part of a local administration.

[@ArbitorIan]

The Administratum is the agency that organise the tithe, including making sure agri-worlds feed other worlds, so I GUESS that counts? And the Arbites are the imperium-wide ones. Enforcers is the term for local administration police forces. The Arbites job, in part, it watch the local administration!

[@Shaderaygun]

You’re confusing the Arbites with Enforcers. Enforcers are local planetary police forces which enforce a planet’s laws. Arbites enforce the laws of the Imperium. They don’t care about a ganger making money off of selling drugs, but they do care about a planetary governor embezzling the planetary tithe. They even have their own space ships to travel around in, since they deal with planetary issues. Basically, Enforcers are your local cops, the Arbites are the FBI.

[@HB2K-h8m]

The administration and economy of the imperium collapses under even the most minute scrutiny. 40k is space opera, it makes no sense on any level. But goddam it we love it anyway 😂

[@monsouranda4058]

0:05 Can anyone tell me where I could find an HD version of this art?

[@jimjimson9]

Also Ian where can I find the full version of ur intro outlook music cos it's kinda hard

[@emmaselmeci966]

Great video, as always! However I'll point out that the plural of segmentum would be segmenta if we follow the latin declination

[@johnnybigbones4955]

Cool video. I might even check out those Vaults of Terra novels, Chris Wraight has never let me down. That said, I dislike all the stuff about the reform of the Imperium and Bobby G coming back and just assuming command. Yuck!

[@Hebuspm]

A guy called BALDO SLYST is a baddy... no way dude

[@ArticCircleGaming]

I love your videos and this is no exception however I think the two female representatives are backwards as the one wearing black armor has the inquisitorial mark on her chest.

[@punkypink83]

i think the arbitor high lord is some bloke named Ian...

[@Sinistralitee]

you know shit's weird when a literal factory is part of your council

[@Steven-qb7vn]

Got to 5.10 into the video and nearly stopped it.. this video contains spoilers from the following books... ALL of those books are in my library but I just haven't got around to reading them yet, carried on and enjoyed the video. Will probably have forgotten all of this by the time I get around to reading them, haha.

[@Alpharius]

Things are even more complicated now since Raskian is dead as of the end of that series, so things are bound to heat up around the position of Fabricator General between potentially Cawl Inferior, Archmagos Telok and Archmagos Kotov from the Forge of Mars series should Master of Mars ever come out.

[@ArbitorIan]

Raskian is alive as of Genefather, which is set quite a bit after the events of The Dark City. Guess he had a backup

[@Alpharius]

@@ArbitorIan in Genefather we don't really ever see him on-screen, just Cawl referencing him him historically as "that rascal". I took this as news of his death not having spread (since everyone that knew of his whereabouts died with him, and as they frantically hunt for him it is probably kept hush hush) following his demise in the Webway, what with the often glacial pace of news traveling. Now of course if he shows up after this yeah, I'd think he must have somehow backed himself up on another enormous server, but dying at the end of Dark City where the point was then no one then knew the Throne was failing would be odd to change.

[@hausdorffspace]

It's Friday - that means it's time to get high as a lord and watch some Arbitor Ian.

[@jameswright4640]

Great stuff!

[@aidenwhelan2560]

I love your lore episode my man.

[@mikevincent8728]

Gonna mute you and let the video play out. Thus, you get the view count +1, and I avoid the spoilers :D Love the channel, dude!

[@MrDerpyMcDerperson]

Wasn't Raskian killed in the climax of The Dark City? I might need to re-listen.

[@ArbitorIan]

It's left floating in The Dark City, but he's still Fab General decades later when Cawl is off fighting Fabius Bile so safe to say he made it out.

[@MrDerpyMcDerperson]

@@ArbitorIan Just re-listened to the pertinent parts of both and yes, you're absolutely right. An interesting choice as it seemed the end of Dark City was hitting us with the heavy truth that not only is the Throne failing, but everyone who knew about it, the plot to deal with the Drukhari to repair it, and the horror of the Drukhari's true motivation ended up dead in the webway, never to be heard from again. I think it would be interesting if they filled in the blanks with a bit of a Martian conspiracy to cover up that the Fabricator General has somehow vanished (despite being the size of a hab block), in the long run perhaps to specifically avoid giving an opening to Cawl and his supporters.

[@drachenfeIs]

any chance of guillimans codex imperialis elaborating on the lost legions

[@glandhound]

literally 0% chance. they will never reveal what happened to them.

[@pagancrew]

What say about a video exploring the origins of THOSE names, then?

[@mus_cetiner]

Great video. High lords of ar..... anyways not going to finish that sentence. :)

[@Manwendlil]

"I AM THE LAWN!!!"

[@ranger36100]

Do you read dark imperium before these 5 books can you help me with the reading order Tia

[@ArbitorIan]

You can read them in any order - they're not released in order. Technically, Dark Imperium occurs about 10 years AFTER the events of all these books

[@doubledigital_]

What would lion be now hes kicking about the verse and slaying nids for a laugh

[@ArbitorIan]

Oh he's far away in Imperium Nihilus and doesn't get too involved.

[@KillerOrca]

He's still doing his own thing in the Imperium Nihlus for the most part, running the Lion Protectorate and going about his secreteive shadowy dealings and missions.

[@nakenmil]

Ironically, the fluff that drew me further into Warhammer 40k after the initial wow-factor of space marines and imperial guard was the byzantine inner workings of the imperium. I've always like the dystopian workings of the administratum and logistics of hive cities and politicking and so on. I think that's why John Blanche's art speaks so much to me: he rarely drew a lot of xenos or demons, mostly he was able to make the Imperials look utterly inhumane and revolting, and I just think that adds a lot of character to the fucked-up nature of the Imperium. Like, so much of the Administratum is crewed by literal hereditary slaves. Not servitors, just straight up slaves. GW doesn't talk a lot about that anymore, does it? lol.

[@glandhound]

I think it's a special kind of torment that some servitors still have their orginal 'soul' in the background just eternally suffering because they can't control themselves but instead repeat live the monotony of repeating tasks, always saying the same things...Then there's the Astartes legions/chapters who clearly just have slaves, they are just called serfs or helots in low gothic. For example, Blood Angels have secret magic clubs where they bleed out all the slaves i mean serfs, cut their tongues and blind them so they can't share any details if for some reason they manage to leave with their lives.

[@IamLertimo]

Is Raskin still around? Without getting into spoilers, I was unclear whether Raskin was present at, or escaped the climactic battle at the end of The Dark City. He's mentioned in passing by Belisarius Cawl in Genefather, suggesting he's still around - but the two stories are roughly contemporaneous, so if Raskin was missing presumed dead, Cawl probably wouldn't have known, given the speed at which news moves across the Imperium.

[@lonelystrategos]

Lexicanum says that his core unit made it through a webway portal back to Luna.

[@IamLertimo]

​@@lonelystrategosthat appears to clear that one up then. Lexicanum, while not strictly-speaking canon, is reliably accurate (I had to laugh when Mike Brooks and Guy Haley told me new BL authors are told to their check their facts there, so it's as near a thing to a lore bible for w40k as we have ;) Cheers!

[@glandhound]

@@IamLertimo There is no canon in 40k!

[@lonelystrategos]

@@IamLertimo Lexicanum is really good with sources. It cites Genefather as the source for his successful escape, but I can't check since I don't have the novel.

[@IamLertimo]

@@glandhoundalrighht, it isn't 'official' 'endorsed', 'guaranteed' or 'without fault', better?

[@HXGJ2]

Dam this makes game of thrones politics seem trivial 😂

[@obnoxiouspriest]

Your modified tier list, and your begrudging reason for its inclusion is everything to me. Long live G Tier!

[@randomacademypilot]

Thank you.

[@FlaresnakeAnon]

what about the Chancellor of the Imperial Council?

[@ArbitorIan]

Well, Jek isn't actually a high lord, her job is kinda 'get the High Lords to turn up'. Highest possible level of cat-herding.

[@chrisjones6792]

More like high lords of terror amirite folks?

[@michaelbraxton137]

Question can the high Lords order the custodians around

[@ArbitorIan]

Not exactly, but one of the High Lords is the Captain-General of the Custodes so...

[@michaelbraxton137]

@@ArbitorIan okay thanks

[@Havok448]

Where did the thumbnail art come from?

[@ArbitorIan]

The Leviathan core book

[@LimerickJim]

Spoilers for Vaults of Terra: Isn't Raskin MIA in the Webway? IIRC his fate was unknown at the end of Vaults of Terra.

[@Gigasius]

Spoiler for Vaults of Terra ... In Vaults of Terra: Dark City I though Raskian was pretty definitely killed in the webway? Granted, it was not shown on the "screen", but not being able to move and then being swarmed by Drukhari and then seemingly exploding and being left under a collapsing webway is pretty sure way to die in my books.

[@ArbitorIan]

Vaults of Terra is set just as Guilliman returns. In Genefather (which is at least a decade or two later) Cawl still refers to Raskian as being Fabricator General.

[@jamestarbet9608]

Daaaaaaaaa Space Pope.

[@userb3nje909]

Raskan is a building lol..

[@The_Foil]

surprised Lord commander Solar isn't a high lord

[@lonelystrategos]

It doesn't really make sense for the Lord Solar to be a High Lord unless his direct superior, the Lord Commander Militant, is also one. But unless Kleng is LCM, then that role is currently not on the High Twelve.

[@glandhound]

High Lords are specific people and the Solar Lord Commander is a title/military rank.

[@davidelrizzo]

I can't imagine how many novels and codexes needed to be crawled through to piece this together. You are a testament to the Administratum!

[@cacarey01]

thanks

[@andybandyb]

Did you type “space pope” into an ai art program?

[@MartyFreeze]

Huh. I thought it was like 4 dudes who discussed poop all day.

[@Axefacepaints]

Oh yes

[@userb3nje909]

Given the amount of females represented on this list. I assume that the Gender Pay Gap is no longer a thing in M42

[@makinote]

not even the real world has that amount of females in such power positions

[@glandhound]

is it a thing in M2?

[@guilherme5094]

👍

[@atlas6538]

Surprised dante wasn't mentioned, since he was promoted to lord commander of imperium nihilus after the events of devestation of baal, same role as guilliman

[@ArbitorIan]

Yeah but there's no high lords over there.

[@atlas6538]

@@ArbitorIan doesn't the role itself make him a highlord?

[@430CurlyJo]

The role has only existed since the great rift and Guilliman pretty much made it up, no previous cases for it having anything to do with the High Lords

[@ArbitorIan]

We're not even sure if Guillimans role as Lord Commander of Sanctus is a High Lord or just 'boss of High Lords'. Is he 12 or 13¿

[@glandhound]

Can astropaths even communicate through the rift?

[@hammysholdingpattern8692]

I don't know how it is in the UK, but here in the US, you keep using the word "conservative" wrong. As a libertarian, I don't like conservatives as much as I don't like Liberals, but Conservatives hate the government having more power. The literal opposite of the way you use it.

[@ArbitorIan]

conservative adjective 1. averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values. Similar: traditionalist traditional conventional orthodox stable old-fashioned dyed-in-the-wool unchanging hidebound cautious prudent careful safe timid unadventurous unenterprising set in one's ways moderate middle-of-the-road temperate stick in the mud Opposite: radical

[@hammysholdingpattern8692]

@ArbitorIan 1: Thanks for replying, most don't, that was great of you. 2: I stand corrected. I was in political mindset, not the right state for this. Lol

[@Tequilamockingbird71]

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