Who Fights Military-Grade Fires?

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Chapters:
0:00 - Agenda
0:34 - Army Tactical Firefighting
7:26 - Air Force Base Firefighting
Sources (Fire Truck Specifications):
- TM 5-4210-249-13&P-1 "Operator's and Field Level Maintenance Manual with Repair Parts and Special Tools List (Including Depot Repair Parts and Special Tools) for Tactical Fire Fighting Truck (TFFT)"
- TM 9-2320-328-13&P-1 "Operator's and Field Level Maintenance Manual (Including Repair Parts and Special Tools List) for HEMTT-Based Water Tender (HEWATT)"
Sources (Army Firefighting Doctrine):
- TM 3-34.30 "Firefighting" (April 2015)
- ATP 3-04.16 "Airfield Operations" (September 2023)
- Ward, L. "Army Fire Fighting: A Historical Perspective"
Sources (Air Force Firefighting):
- Technical Implementation Guide 403-18 for NFPA 403, Standard for Aircraft Rescue and Fire-Fighting Services at
Airports (March 2018)
- Exhibit P-40, Budget Line Item Justification: PB 2020 Air Force (February 2019)

[@BattleOrder]

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[@pyeitme508]

Wow 😳

[@davisdelp8131]

Because you just did firefighting are you going to do military police and Medical operations or did you already do that

[@funawesome2006]

Ok

[@kzavverr3651]

As a kid i was obsessed with anything related to firefighting, and then moved on to nerd about military stuff. This video feels like the best of both worlds.

[@CrossOfBayonne]

Same, Now the Army has the responsibility for civilian work like firefighting and also policing especially in cities

[@ch-53esuperstallion76]

Dude same!

[@bradleyoralackthereof5409]

I feel that lol

[@ch-53esuperstallion76]

@@cjclark1208 i guess siren and the red colored truck gave most boys a blast

[@Eman23real]

yea, i loved firefighters a lot, then i turned into a military nerd, now im really interested in Interagency Hotshot Crews. kinda cool.

[@TemplinInstitute]

"I hate the smell of napalm in the morning" - military firefighter probably.

[@pyeitme508]

Vietnam vet be like: "Ya kidding right?!".

[@pyeitme508]

"We ain't kidding bud... We REALLY hate the Napalm smell..." - military firefighter for real.

[@PrograError]

@@pyeitme508 "it's hot and it gets everywhere"

[@CrossOfBayonne]

​@@pyeitme508*Flashback intensifies*

[@davisdelp8131]

I don’t like Napalm is corse and get everywhere

[@randomargument972]

"Oh, you were in the military? Seen any action? Any firefights?" -1:47 Well Yes. But actually no.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

This Is the sort of nerdy, niche, and under discussed content I subscribe to Battle Order for.

[@SnakePilot16]

As a pilot ARFF are my heroes, never thought I'd see a video on military fire and ARFF units. This is the kind of ultra niche in-depth examinations that are somehow so easily presented that make Battle Order one of the best channels out there

[@yikemoo]

This is one of the nerdiest, most niche things you could cover. And I love you for it.

[@yikemoo]

Nah, I fail at internet'ing. That other guy made pretty much the exact same comment but probably worded a little better and earlier than me. I swear I didn't see it and bite it though, case of concurrent thinking.

[@juhokuusisto9339]

This is cool info. My dad (rip) was a conscript military firefighter during his national service in the 60's here in Finland. Later he was a volunteer firefighter and a volunteer firechief in his home village. A true running-towards-fire hero.

[@AttentionDeficitFirefighter]

I'm a 12M in the NG, and I really appreciate the thoughtfulness you put into this. We're also authorized a Brassard like MPs, ours says "FD" Doctrinally, it's weird for us because we're obviously following the TM but we also have to follow NFPA to the letter. Sometimes they don't agree with each other, and we have to get creative or choose which one to follow. For anyone wondering, the Air Force fire apparatus are significantly better at firefighting than the TFFTs are, but they aren't nearly as off-road capable.

[@Global-yt]

I have just ingested about half a liter of civilian-uninterpretable military jargon

[@cjclark1208]

@@Global-yt wee woo wee woo wee woo

[@Global-yt]

@@cjclark1208 woop-woop-woop-whoooooooooooooooo

[@Monkey-ud8bw]

USAF AB’s in England have a mixture of USAF & British civilian FF’s, all using US kit.

[@MrDK0010]

Same in Italy, though afaik they're weird Italo-American basterd hybrids.

[@tristenthomas7352]

I went to hazmat technician with a British civilian ff

[@peytonhohenstein3249]

Can you do a series on different military ambulances and combat medical commands? I'm an EMT and am beyond curious to see that!

[@Halo47143]

12M representation, I work in a aviation unit, our truck is named Roxanne idk why. But it’s a great vehicle platform

[@c.andrew3944]

Because she needs to turn on the red light, and also a siren.

[@stephenbritton9297]

As a civilian FF and a military history nerd (with a passion for logistics history since I was a merchant mariner in the last) I’m so glad you covered this. About a decade ago, parts of CT saw snow fall to levels not seen in almost a life time. Many of the streets in Bridgeport CT became impassible. A guard TFFT was activated to the city and worked at least on job as memory serves.

[@scsidrv]

Im a former Air Force firefighter and logcap contract firefighter in Afghanistan. Thanks for making this video!

[@vintageandfilms8881]

I guarantee 3/4 Of the U.S. Army fire support specialist thought they were gonna do this.

[@c.andrew3944]

Recruit: "Fire support, is that like someone who helps fight fires? That sounds cool!" Recruiter: "You sure can look at it that way!"

[@williampalmer7797]

I was apart of the 3/4. Reclassed

[@Strong_UP_Calvins_zombie]

Dont thank me private, thank your recruiter

[@an_f-14_tomcat]

I was literally just wondering about this... thanks for the perfectly timed video lmao

[@archiegeorge3969]

Great video! The army has a pretty low density of fire assets. I assume that the POL and Ammo units must spend a lot of time on first level fire fighting training. Is it similar to Navy Damage Control? “Every POL is a part time firefighter?”

[@Obospeedo]

Something about the look of the HEMTT is so cool to me.

[@ykoin8408]

I would LOVE to see your take on more niche logistic-related topics. Great video as always :)

[@KaiserStormTracking]

I get a good laugh out of the M1142 being fully Oshkosh given they own Pierce. I love America Anyhow I honestly didn’t know the army and Air Force sorted their firefighting teams like this.

[@tristenthomas7352]

They suck ass and only the army uses them

[@SH-fw4ef]

I’m retired Airforcefirefighter love seeing videos like this. Miss the good old days. It’s great to see these videos .

[@icterio1]

Very interesting video (and subject). Excellent!!

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Ok I always wanted a video on this subject. Glad you made one

[@bullpupgaming708]

Battle Order, I've completed my annual Airfield Fire Extinguisher CBT so my fellow maintainers and I are practically fire fighters lol

[@1337flite]

When I was in primary school we visited the local RAAF base. They had incredible fire trucks. They were massive Oshkosh (B'Gosh!!) - they kinda looked like a modern HEMTT. They had water cannon on the bumper bar, the roof and I think they had a boom that could crack an aircraft fueslage skin and pump in water/foam. A lot like the TFFT in this video, but the front turret was lower, like on a bumber bar and I think the cab was lower and there was just one cab. The amount of water they could pump was incredible as was their accelration and braking (for thir size). They were truly incredible. Basically the driver could fight a fire remotely aiming the water cannon and the other crew could get out and do rescure work, e.g. pull a crew out of a jet or whatever. This was 40 years ago and that thing was impressive - I'd love to see today's versions. I always had an urge to buy one - make the perfect van life vehicle. Lots of stowage and the cab was probably as big as a small van's. And of course no shortage of water on board.

[@someoneperson3557]

Absolutely love this video. As others have said, it's super niche and specific, but it's something I never even thought to be curious about before. Keep it up!

[@fnln544]

I really enjoyed this great video showcasing military firefighting. If you haven’t already done so, please consider military railway units. Thanks! Retired Army.

[@helljumper1590]

Finally, I've been waiting for this for years.

[@Meatful]

I never thought to be curious about this but it turns out to be super interesting. Keep up the good work!

[@thesapphicathena9595]

very neat video, would be cool to see this but for geared for military police instead. lotta interesting stuff to go over on that front from regular MP units to CID units that have actual field offices and sub-detachments etc

[@coop6951]

Super cool video, great depth and detail kept me very intrigued.😂

[@rich453]

Thanks I enjoyed this video!

[@theOiOis]

Well the Army differs on their oversea airfields and bases. For example USarmy airfields in germany usually have 2 Crash trucks, like the P23 and 1 or 2 structural pumpers. At min 0:24 you can see a P19 like Army Crash truck at the Armys Firefighting Training Center in Germany.

[@daseinzigwahrem]

Yes, but all of the US Army firefighters in Germany are local civilians, not soldiers.

[@matthewcataldo1106]

That makes sense. I was stationed at Landstuhl Germany with the 236th AA, no firetrucks but they were implement a rapid response crash truck in wheeled maintenance. I ETS'ed before they were finished.​@daseinzigwahrem

[@VFRSTREETFIGHTER]

I spent 5 years in the army and never saw this. Very interesting, thanks for the great content.

[@richardwilliams2606]

Glad to see this. My sone was a n AF firefighter for 6 yrs. It is nice to see them recognized.

[@gaspardpiet4275]

This video is fire !!!

[@mississaugaicedogs]

My late grandfather had served as a Air Force firefighter with the Royal Canadian AirForce, thank you for showing something related to his role

[@omarrp14]

I’ve rarely seen army firefighters, but the 3 times I’ve spoken to some on 3 different bases I was surprised when they told me that a lot of them weren’t 12M. It’s a small MOS so they pull from other 12 series MOS. Anything from horizontal construction to combat engineer.

[@SemperFiRblx]

this is the exciting part of logistics, fun stuff

[@Zakfiel_the_Mushroom]

Was a really good video, on a rarely thought of part of the military. Now, can you do a video on the other engineer unit of the US Army ? Or even the french one, since I'm French

[@redalert2fan2]

very interesting video, thanks

[@_Dogberry_]

Haha! That burning tank in the clip art, I was there for that. Fun times in Hood.

[@Bomberpilot-3MX]

Finally a vid like this, very interesting topic always wanted to know about this :D Greetings from a german military fire fighter ;) and as we say here "gut wehr"

[@tristenthomas7352]

A lot the USAF footage was from my unit the 139th ANG. Btw those Army Hemmet fire trucks Suuuuuuuuuccckkk Also you left out the Marine Corps Aircraft firefighting units

[@aaroncook2052]

Getting into the roles that keep it all in working order for everyone else.

[@alexanderleach3365]

They are the unsung heroes of the armed forces who fight the fires at their bases.

[@lloydzufelt7514]

My American army fire trucks was an old Vietnam 530C that I used at PTA Hawaii and Yuma Proving Grounds Yuma Arizona, and Stuttgart Army Airfield West Germany

[@LQN2]

Question: Any chance you could go into more detail on how the organization works in those spaces where it's largely civilian? For example, Fort Carson in Colorado has wildfires seemingly daily and they often manage it perfectly with their own assets. Working in EM, Clarification on just how often those civilians versus 12M billets and how the wildland world influences the military world would be well appreciated. Heck, you had video from the Black Forest Fire, any explanation on DSCA would be a huge boon to US viewers and honestly, with FEMA typings and Type 1 wildfires you could totally help some of the people nerd out by doing a Battle Order video on FEMA typings in various incidents. That's probably a bit out of scope, especially with so many other topics to choose from, but one can dream.

[@lloydzufelt7514]

My army fire trucks were 530b/c made in 1968 and served in the Vietnam war before I saw them in Hawaii PTA 1978-80

[@gamingrex2930]

The P23 trucks look so fucking sexy

[@Kishanth.J]

Could you do a follow up video on the Navy’s and Marine Corp equivalent. It be interesting to see the difference between land based vs sea based firefighting.

[@anno-fw7xn]

great topic! would love this also on a nato lvl or in difrent nation. also medical and or base security would be intersting.

[@Roguesquadroon]

Do a video on the UME unit of the spanish army. those are the best trained military firefighters in the world. They can tackle forest fires and have Canadair Scoopers integrated on the chain of command.

[@ryandan646]

Well that’s unexpected 😂 didn’t expect to see my MOS getting its own video. Love being a 12M every day

[@mucherlavasavi]

Can you please do more videos like this about front line logistics thank you

[@admiralfluffy42]

A question that I never knew I had

[@cruisinguy6024]

Great video, as always, however you left out Navy/Marine Corps bases not to mention firefighting vehicles on aircraft carriers. Perhaps you could remedy this in a future video? Minor point of order, most of the imagery you used for the 75’ quints were actually 100’ class quints. The dead giveaway is that 75’ ladder trucks have a single rear axle whereas 100’ class (meaning anything from 97’ to 107’ depending on manufacturer and model) have tandem rear axles for a total of 10 tires. ****minor note, Pierce does now offer a 107’ single rear axle quint that’s highly weight optimized. I see this as a niche option for weight restricted areas, such as departments with bridges that can’t take the abuse of an 80,000 pound truck.

[@RT-rx2sj]

NEW BATTLE ORDER!!!!!!

[@darthkillhoon]

12M finally get some love. My brothers in the Firefighter Engineer. I'm a SGT 12N and my Battalion has a Firefighter Detachment in it.

[@nomercyinc6783]

on a military base both the base fire and local firefighters respond. the big fires on camp pendelton was fought by many agencies. military grade just means cheapest bidder. not best available

[@saahedkuul5593]

i actualy got a change to put out fake fires with a dutch army unimog firetruck stationed at the cornfield range on vlieland a nato aircraft training beach back in the day they used to also train with leopards there my grandpa was the last commander at the cornfield range

[@eldoritos5893]

All thanks to the great Goodfellow AFB!

[@razxorgun2413]

tactical firetrucks are crazy lol

[@thodorisevangelakos]

Here in Greece we repurposed some Leo chassis (chassii?) into firefighting vehicles

[@danielrose1392]

I think that's the RAM Jumpo track multi. Turrent obviously removed and a 15000l tank installed.

[@user-zj8is3gj8s]

Currently active duty 12M & if you’re looking to joining the army as a 12M just know it depends on which unit you get assigned on whether you’ll do your job. Going on 4 years in August and have a total of a year & a half of floor time

[@JarodFarrant]

These guys will be called to help firefighters more since wildfires are more out of control every year.

[@ianray8823]

Guys will see firetrucks and just think "hell yeah"

[@lloydzufelt7514]

As a former army firefighter 51m40 I say thanks

[@TASTEGROUND]

bonne question

[@ryandan646]

7:05 Two shifts with that many TFFTs and HEWATT good luck 😂 we got 3 of each or so, most of which either the engine is broken or the pump is broken or both.

[@MrDK0010]

LESGO LESGO

[@shady83]

Funny for some reason I kept thinking of the Golden Cloaks in GoT as a kind of first response with their companies and Squads of 7x7. Bit random.

[@josiahricafrente585]

The Army and the Air Force have special units with special equipment to fight fires. Meanwhile, the Navy’s answer is Seaman Timmy and his friends with basic training. And a whole ocean of firefighting water.

[@milleniumsword1558]

Oh thats why those new symbols were added. Also one issue i have is no longer being able to copy the symbol images individually!

[@rougenarwhal8378]

you're laughing, their fire trucks aren't painted red and you're laughing

[@marcus7564]

I thought categories would be more than size. I assume planes with lots of ammo, like a bomber, or a refueler would be the highest category? Or if a fully loaded aircraft just abandoned and allowed to burn down?

[@bamaman6478]

My dad has done this for 20 years, worst part of the job is how little the army cares about their trucks. They had a series of incidents in the early 2000s where crash trucks would often slip out of park and into drive while conducting maintenance on top of the water tank. Killed one of my dads good friends, almost got him too, only way to stop it is to jump off the top and into the cab. army didnt fix it for another 5 years, sad state of affairs.

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

i think Schiphol airport in the Netherlands has the same. in yellow.

[@Law0086]

The actual amazing thing is that the compliance from the everyday average GI Joe. Explosions could happen a lot more often given the vast amounts of stockpile we have in any given area we control. Maybe we just don't hear about it.

[@aldenlatif5483]

when you want to be a soldier and a firefighter at the same time:

[@Scarecrow_Krieg]

I guess this is one of the better MOS' to be in, because the transition to civilian life would be fairly easy, unlike I have gun, I shoot, I am depressed. (o7 to the infa)

[@lloydzufelt7514]

As a former army firefighter 51m40 I spent 7 years fighting fires

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

Imagine the look on the first fire fighting commander's face when all of the rocks and pointy sticks did litteraly nothing. 2:47 Do privates have to crawl inside and clean it so it doesnt start growing mold? I really hope they do

[@OrangeBeetle-fv7lj]

I want an actual FIRE truck

[@LegatoOfficial]

Is that an AB pack I spot in the outro?

[@the_christopher]

Non-kinetic force content! Yoooooooo!

[@shaolinmatadordeporco4246]

Please make a video about the Brazilian armed forces

[@thatlutherfan]

"carbean" its CARBINE

[@piotrgrzyb3476]

Hey could You plese do some Polish stuff?

[@MBT60]

Why so cool

[@luke_pl3741]

There was Firefighter team so now we waiting for MP or Medical support.

[@BB14102]

Nice, but when will you cover USMC dental services?

[@danieltsiprun8080]

I wonder how you dose one get the role of a us army fire fighter? Are they regular army recruits who took a fire fighter course, or are they just normal fire fighter hired by the us army? Also, do they do any other role or just fire fighting? Are they allowed to use guns?

[@BattleOrder]

For these tactical/deployable firefighters they are 12Ms and are recruited like any other soldier in the Army, although it's a small MOS so there are limited active duty spots. They are authorized guns. But most firefighters that serve Army bases domestically and in allied countries are actually civilian employees and more like regular firefighters with civilian fire apparatuses instead of HEMTT-based ones

[@thecamocampaindude5167]

Sir the fire is heavily armed!!!

[@LackofFaithify]

Halfway expected that Set 6 would require expanded land units plus aerial firefighting variants from Set 3 and 4.

[@user-yu6uk6bs9f]

So isilitary firefighters like fire arsons but like a bigger rank and more serious?

[@north_warwolf1183]

I wonder how horrified they would be if they realize that they have to go out to a burning B-1B with a Nuke in it?

[@ThePenguins4life]

i still like how the firetrucks are green as if it gotta have camo

[@BattleOrder]

If they’re deployed and are protecting a logistics unit they may need to be camo’d. In those situations the fuses will be taken out of their lights and siren

[@coreystockdale6287]

I see fire I scream like a banshee and run

[@andygamisou]

Great video! Now do CBRN