Who has the best SIDESTEP in TEKKEN 8? | Data Comparison

After several days in the lab, we finally have a sidestep comparison video. I've done a visual comparison, as well as quantitative testing involving 1320 individual tests across 40 situations and all 33 characters. It's only a small sample of possible scenario's in TEKKEN, and I hope to do a more thorough study next time, but I think we have a decent foundation/idea of where each character stands. Hope you enjoy!
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:10 - What makes a sidestep effective?
00:29 - Testing Overview
00:51 - Visual Test
02:31 - Quantitative Method
03:20 - Data Collection Process
04:05 - Test Results
04:28 - Outliers and Interesting Results
06:29 - Possible Sidestep Mechanics
07:29 - Conclusion & Tier List
Music:
TEKKEN 6 OST - Hacked
TEKKEN 6 OST - Karma
TEKKEN TT2 OST - Abyss of Time

[@JovanKo314]

I love the robust design of experiments happening here. It's a shame that hitbox information for Tekken isn't as widely available, compared to something like Smash. Being able to see the hitbox interactions instead of guessing based on interactions would have made this analysis much easier. Props for putting in all that effort!

[@johnryan461]

Don't worry. Tekken will release the hit box dlc soon enough for $5

[@dannyrpt]

I stumbled upon this playlist of character hitboxes.... Ain't much, but like you said there isn't much info on Tekken hitboxes... Also looking up the word hitbox comes up with the damn controller kzbin.info/aero/PLPDk6gzWmX92V_8AT63dTI99Ui3yRv5M5&si=_yd1jaafdaJdagTr

[@kumanochi]

TekkenOverlay has a feature to show real time hitboxes and hurtboxes, but its only for tekken 7, the feature might come to tekken 8 in the future

[@damaito1829]

5:43 Without context has me dead 😂

[@Its_kaNNy]

Hats off to you for gathering that much data, sir.

[@yak3382]

You are doing an outstanding work with every video. Your channel has been a goldmine with a complete approach allowing to understand the game better and always thrive for more research and info. Thank you

[@MishimaComplex]

Thanks so much! Means a lot 🥰🙏

[@dragonbearwizarddbw5662]

what an amazingly well put together video, i hope this makes the rounds BIGTIME, it's eye opening.

[@user-vp5oe1nr7u]

This is some quality study on tekken sidestep system that can actually improve our knowledge!!! Great work man!

[@Claude24__]

amazing video again this must have taken a lot of effort keep up the good work

[@RaffiAhmad.]

Excellent work dude. You reminded me some of amazing friends i had on Tekken Zaibatsu who used to dive deep in the Tekken mechanics and system and sharing that information with other players which really helped them a lot. Thank you so much.

[@Redarshia]

Outstanding work and incredible content brother, keep it up!

[@brandon_yl_is_busted_af9316]

Great camera work displaying the intricacies of side steps! Super appreciate your effort in testing all of this Let's go reina

[@oolongpantsu3437]

Thank you for putting in the work!

[@lpvgs-817]

bro thank you for this video! subbed! this is the proof we need so ppl understand that some character have better movement and this makes them better than other characters

[@ThaRealHiTman47]

This has to be one of the best videos I've ever watched. The time the effort that it went to it and the way it was presented 10 out of 10 my man great job

[@KrabbyPRATty]

Great video!! Would love to see the results with a bigger data pool!

[@SkarjOS]

Extremely cool analysis video, going way more in depth than anyone I've seen. Hats off to you 🎩

[@galahadtk7457]

Thank you for the hard work and data, lots of respect !

[@Cherilyn_45]

Amazing video! Many thanks for this huge work 🥰🥰🥰

[@cmar601]

Very interesting. love breakdowns like this, glad I subbed

[@chippzanuff495]

Great works! Thanks for your time!

[@piyushsaroj6906]

I saw this camera angle first time Thank you❤

[@liviekumori]

Props on the dedication, amazing video

[@thahli]

My god you’re a hero for this. I’ve never subscribed so fast

[@sergiogabriel1322]

Nice work, holy u did an amazing job I can imagine how many times this takes

[@bazooie]

great idea! - thanks for putting this together

[@dualcypher00]

This was very helpful! Cuz I swear I try to side step with vic and get clipped so much lol. I like data videos with visuals helps to understand what's going on Great work keep it up

[@user-ox9rr8zi1o]

insanely high quality vid, subbed

[@user-gu2jv6hu6m]

Great test, thank you !

[@LightningLag]

😮 nice data comparison!

[@mojojojoart]

This info is amazing. I wish there were more consistency for balance reasons. Subcribed

[@alonewarrior7104]

Thanks for all the hard works u doing man i love ur works

[@TekkenMaster1501]

Nice video man. You put much effort into it. 🎉🎉🎉

[@jayden_rico]

Thank you so much for your work man.

[@DTLRR]

The most analytical tekken video to date and the time to come

[@randomaether]

Amazing work, hope we can get some hitboxes in the future.

[@Jerxesss]

I want you to pls remember that we highly appreciate these kinds of videos

[@DaedricNZ]

Good stuff man, this is quality info

[@JeadanPersona]

well put, I love the effort. Keep it up.

[@oolongpantsu3437]

Eddy is a huge surprise!

[@Xengard]

this is invaluable info. thanks a lot, man

[@marcellgyurjan5055]

Amazing work!

[@MishimaComplex]

Thank you so much! Really appreciate it

[@kibowman]

That's a huge work Great vid!

[@thoraero]

Holy.. you have done it! Thank you!

[@Ookinachinchin]

Great video, you can tell a decent amount of effort went into it. Must’ve took a while to get all of the data.

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

The amount of work this took is insane. Great work bro

[@makakaku3481]

The best informative tekken content by far

[@tndmrappelz7210]

great video man keep it up

[@mccollio0909]

Very cool video, and I don't think anyone can doubt the definitiveness of the sample size you've got there. It's for us players to do... But worth considering as you mentioned within the video that yoshimitsu has ways to "cheat" with spin... Just like King would with his ss throw cancel

[@TheGianGame]

Great job man, GG!!!!

[@RiffRaffish]

Great work!

[@user-dw8lb8lc7u]

nice work man thank for your efforts now i know that is the king sidestep is not garbage(i just heard that somewhere and dont check) I've been wanting to introduce sidesteps for a long time and now i just MUST to spam sidestep in every moment that i can, just to feel how it works

[@MrYourDry]

Leaving a comment for your KZbin analytics

[@ejrodriguez5719]

Me too😅

[@marcoliviertoure1676]

Very instructive ! Thanks

[@potatogod7771]

Thank you mishima guy for the great video yet again! 🤩 this video allowed me to sidestep my dads belt!

[@martheus4928]

great video !!

[@Ryan-gh4iz]

0:50 - Only Eddy and King seem to leave footprints in the sand

[@KillingHawk]

Best experimental video ever i watch.

[@lanceuppercut789]

holy crap, the level of detail here is insane

[@180Ranmafan]

This voice is so serious lol but it is for TEKKEN SCIENCE! Great work

[@isshintheguy4172]

Im glad you took the time to study the abberant data. If it was me i wouldve chalked it up to hitbox jank and cried harada pls.

[@Mfwiseguy]

This channel is seriously underrated

[@eddnav]

Absolutely goated video.

[@Counselor-yj8hk]

Gotta love Tekken Sidestep hitbox Jankiness. Still waiting on that new virtua fighter for a better sidestepping system.

[@RR35031]

wild work. thank you

[@ismogang905]

I really like how it looks like a scientific research paper/article. I see the same rigor and aknlowdgment of the limits of your presentation

[@trashgamerxd7612]

Your videos are out of this world. Speedy leg.

[@Sumo3D]

bro i knew i wasnt tripping! i got a clip of my using steve's doge and side step, getting completely behind characters and still getting hit.

[@BigDaddyWes]

Great breakdown. Thanks for the hard work. This is added uniqueness for Tekken that I really love. They could've just made sidestep homogeneous, along with character's hitboxes, or just simple make sidestep function like high/low crush. The game is designed to have built-in exceptions to almost every rule. It adds a lot to a game when you can really get in the weeds and do homework to collect and parse data like this. Even if some of the statistics change in the future, just knowing conceptually how this is a thing is hugely beneficial because it will keep you from saying stuff like "everyone can step that left." When in reality only some can, while everyone can step right. This leads to some even more whacky (unintended?) consequences of side selection when you consider all of this.

[@notyourbaby4978]

Amazing data and results! Please do one with backdash.

[@notDinsss]

Cooking with facts. Easily the best T8 channel by this metric.

[@dotimus]

hope this blows up. a lot of time put in this vid

[@pogsgaming4577]

Holy shit, what is this godsend of a video?

[@Acrophyllia]

W vid. I don't think the step is inconsistent but the hitbox is.

[@jesselabayog1340]

if you ever start testing backdashes, there is something you MUST test. reina's f,f+2 -> sen 3. only 3 characters (if i remember correctly) can backdash out before the sen 3 comes out. which are king law and someone else.

[@pfceagle5163]

Remember though this is only using the up, up or down, down sidestepping. Some characters have other ways of sidestepping. For example, Lili has feisty rabbit and up 2 (or up forward 2). If these moves can sidestep, these moves are even better than just sidestepping because you are counterattacking and sidestepping in just one move while the normal sidestepping would need a follow up attack if you are looking to attack. Alisa has flying sidesteps (she can fly out of the way with her wings). So characters might be able to pass more tests if they use another sidestep method. Anyway this is a lot of good work I love this! It encourages me more to play Lili and Alisa. Please keep updating this for the new DLC characters.

[@NumbersLetters_]

Gods work right here. Respect

[@ejrodriguez5719]

WE WANT AN ANTI-ALISA VIDEO, pleaseeee I really need it! Hope you consider. CHAINSAWS ARE NEEDED TO BE NERFED

[@jovan7365]

Chainsaws aren’t that bad bruh. The high is plus, the mid is safe. The low can’t be low parried. If she blocks something or gets hit, the chainsaws leave.

[@handsomesquidward151]

Stop crying for nerfs you scrubby red rank

[@handsomesquidward151]

Red rank problems

[@uhhhhhhhhh333]

@@jovan7365 her movement plus the chainsaws is unfair

[@ejrodriguez5719]

@@jovan7365 yah I've played her, but the Plus frames in destructive form is 🤢

[@TUNK92]

are a mad man for actually collecting the data

[@jimdino77]

amazing job... Tekken is lucky to have a nerd like you making this kind of content.

[@syedgouhar1790]

Thanks for the research definitely something can be an addendum on research with hurtboxes. Ima subscribe rn

[@asmallapple1509]

Another banger video

[@96bmb]

Good shit! Can you make more Anti Drill guides for the cast? That shit is top tier content! One love

[@RyukLeonidas]

Great job... I wonder how much does it take you to make this amazing video

[@MishimaComplex]

Thanks! Around 3 days straight 🥲

[@FhargaZ]

Great work 👍, i knew that strange results will happen in game were the mid attack is higher than some jabs and "lows" are higher than mids sometimes 😂

[@rancersweirdness]

Its so stupid that kazuyas sidestep is below average when hes supposed to evade into electrics, harada for some reason just really hates t8 kazuya

[@Pervy]

Great job

[@nowheretoknow]

Wow the effort🎉

[@Shomus]

This is good, thank you

[@poiZen0]

Oh thank you. I always days side steps were very inconsistent in this game

[@Mike-rt2vp]

The most impressive thing is the dramatic narration

[@Cr0c0Rin0]

I love the nerdy analysis

[@yoleornole885]

Kazuya’s shadow from the arial view looks like he brought the rod out

[@unchartedrocks1]

This was excellent information to learn. Subtle SS changes.

[@InnerTriggerer]

Great job.

[@LittleJoeT]

Gods work

[@amodestpileofgarbage1146]

Thank you so much for your hard work! You always do such a phenomenal job. Easily the best tekken data channel there is.

[@BigFoochi]

You did amazing work. This game needs an update for these hitboxes & sidestepping I’ve seen so much jank in game 😪

[@sleepenjoyer-on2dr]

I recently hit Fujin with Yoshi and so decided to focus more on fundamentals instead of gimmicks. And as I tried to do so I started losing so much more it's crazy, I'm currently back on Mighty Ruler. This video taught me I should stop trying to side step so much and utilize his B3/4 spin instead. Thank you!

[@WafflesOWNz]

Keep in mind these are edge cases. You should definitely try to learn what situations are best for side stepping. The timing of your side step matters a lot as well. Some situations you should practice, like side stepping Ling's F2,1,2 in heat. Buffering side step out of strings you know can be side stepped instead of mashing up or down will help with consistency. Pressing a button too soon will also cut your distance short. B3/4 are great tools, but can be baited and launched or don't give you enough time to punish in some situations.

[@danivalvalsson8174]

No wonder I have never stepped a demon paw, I better start spinning instead

[@natyinc9611]

Phenomenal video! I hope this gets way more attention - the data is amazing, and the implications are huge. One of the more worrying ones being - so, characters are just (almost) randomly better than others at sidestepping, and Bamco clearly didn't do any QA work to find this? Considering this, the initial launch state of the game, and the bugs that get introduced after new patches, I have a feeling the game is held together with faith and duct-tape.

[@Three_Blind_Dice]

Movement has always been different between characters in all Tekken games, it's intentional

[@grdrddd]

4:48 for jack it may have to do with distance travel after block. His extended arms may happen to give the block animation farther away form body hitbox. Reina s kick doesnt reach in time regardless of startup but does check lilis hip-palm stance