Who has the best SIDESTEP in TEKKEN 8? | Data Comparison

[@JovanKo314]

I love the robust design of experiments happening here. It's a shame that hitbox information for Tekken isn't as widely available, compared to something like Smash. Being able to see the hitbox interactions instead of guessing based on interactions would have made this analysis much easier. Props for putting in all that effort!

[@johnryan461]

Don't worry. Tekken will release the hit box dlc soon enough for $5

[@dannyrpt]

I stumbled upon this playlist of character hitboxes.... Ain't much, but like you said there isn't much info on Tekken hitboxes... Also looking up the word hitbox comes up with the damn controller kzbin.info/aero/PLPDk6gzWmX92V_8AT63dTI99Ui3yRv5M5&si=_yd1jaafdaJdagTr

[@kumanochi]

TekkenOverlay has a feature to show real time hitboxes and hurtboxes, but its only for tekken 7, the feature might come to tekken 8 in the future

[@ezraho8449]

Tekken has weird hitbox systems compared to other fighters. It’s harder to create community resources for that reason.

[@yak3382]

You are doing an outstanding work with every video. Your channel has been a goldmine with a complete approach allowing to understand the game better and always thrive for more research and info. Thank you

[@MishimaComplex]

Thanks so much! Means a lot 🥰🙏

[@Its_kaNNy]

Hats off to you for gathering that much data, sir.

[@damaito1829]

5:43 Without context has me dead 😂

[@marcellgyurjan5055]

Amazing work!

[@MishimaComplex]

Thank you so much! Really appreciate it

[@지민현-l7c]

This is some quality study on tekken sidestep system that can actually improve our knowledge!!! Great work man!

[@dragonbearwizarddbw5662]

what an amazingly well put together video, i hope this makes the rounds BIGTIME, it's eye opening.

[@ThaRealHiTman47]

This has to be one of the best videos I've ever watched. The time the effort that it went to it and the way it was presented 10 out of 10 my man great job

[@RaffiAhmad.]

Excellent work dude. You reminded me some of amazing friends i had on Tekken Zaibatsu who used to dive deep in the Tekken mechanics and system and sharing that information with other players which really helped them a lot. Thank you so much.

[@brandon_yl_is_busted_af9316]

Great camera work displaying the intricacies of side steps! Super appreciate your effort in testing all of this Let's go reina

[@Claude24__]

amazing video again this must have taken a lot of effort keep up the good work

[@Oolong-Dong]

Thank you for putting in the work!

[@jimdino77]

amazing job... Tekken is lucky to have a nerd like you making this kind of content.

[@lpvgs-817]

bro thank you for this video! subbed! this is the proof we need so ppl understand that some character have better movement and this makes them better than other characters

[@Redarshia]

Outstanding work and incredible content brother, keep it up!

[@mojojojoart]

This info is amazing. I wish there were more consistency for balance reasons. Subcribed

[@KrabbyPRATty]

Great video!! Would love to see the results with a bigger data pool!

[@DTLRR]

The most analytical tekken video to date and the time to come

[@PaulDygert]

insanely high quality vid, subbed

[@1Straydog]

bro i knew i wasnt tripping! i got a clip of my using steve's doge and side step, getting completely behind characters and still getting hit.

[@galahadtk7457]

Thank you for the hard work and data, lots of respect !

[@Oolong-Dong]

Eddy is a huge surprise!

[@liviekumori]

Props on the dedication, amazing video

[@mccollio0909]

Very cool video, and I don't think anyone can doubt the definitiveness of the sample size you've got there. It's for us players to do... But worth considering as you mentioned within the video that yoshimitsu has ways to "cheat" with spin... Just like King would with his ss throw cancel

[@tefkah]

wow didn't expect king to be that high

[@marioster2]

Couple that with his Jaguar sidestep

[@sleepenjoyer-on2dr]

He's a genuinely busted character. I still kinda enjoy fighting against him though because it means I did something right.

[@smickeyYT]

Yeah feels like King can't sidestep as much as he could in T7. I play King and Victor and from experience I would say Victor's side step is much better, so idk why King is above him

[@samseison]

Riiiight??

[@роматарасов-о8л]

nice work man thank for your efforts now i know that is the king sidestep is not garbage(i just heard that somewhere and dont check) I've been wanting to introduce sidesteps for a long time and now i just MUST to spam sidestep in every moment that i can, just to feel how it works

[@chippzanuff495]

Great works! Thanks for your time!

[@thahli]

My god you’re a hero for this. I’ve never subscribed so fast

[@Cherilyn_45]

Amazing video! Many thanks for this huge work 🥰🥰🥰

[@jintype2984]

Thanks, great informative video sir. 😊

[@MishimaComplex]

Thanks so much! Super appreciated 🙏🥰

[@SkarjOS]

Extremely cool analysis video, going way more in depth than anyone I've seen. Hats off to you 🎩

[@dualcypher00]

This was very helpful! Cuz I swear I try to side step with vic and get clipped so much lol. I like data videos with visuals helps to understand what's going on Great work keep it up

[@Counselor-yj8hk]

Gotta love Tekken Sidestep hitbox Jankiness. Still waiting on that new virtua fighter for a better sidestepping system.

[@jayden_rico]

Thank you so much for your work man.

[@Jerxesss]

I want you to pls remember that we highly appreciate these kinds of videos

[@cmar601]

Very interesting. love breakdowns like this, glad I subbed

[@dotimus]

hope this blows up. a lot of time put in this vid

[@sergiogabriel1322]

Nice work, holy u did an amazing job I can imagine how many times this takes

[@bazooie]

great idea! - thanks for putting this together

[@danivalvalsson8174]

No wonder I have never stepped a demon paw, I better start spinning instead

[@alonewarrior7104]

Thanks for all the hard works u doing man i love ur works

[@randomaether]

Amazing work, hope we can get some hitboxes in the future.

[@mrcuddles2199]

Them: “How come you never learned how to sidestep things?” Me: “I main Jack.”

[@RyukLeonidas]

Great job... I wonder how much does it take you to make this amazing video

[@MishimaComplex]

Thanks! Around 3 days straight 🥲

[@TruthAndReconciliation]

The amount of work this took is insane. Great work bro

[@thoraero]

Holy.. you have done it! Thank you!

[@pfceagle5163]

Remember though this is only using the up, up or down, down sidestepping. Some characters have other ways of sidestepping. For example, Lili has feisty rabbit and up 2 (or up forward 2). If these moves can sidestep, these moves are even better than just sidestepping because you are counterattacking and sidestepping in just one move while the normal sidestepping would need a follow up attack if you are looking to attack. Alisa has flying sidesteps (she can fly out of the way with her wings). So characters might be able to pass more tests if they use another sidestep method. Anyway this is a lot of good work I love this! It encourages me more to play Lili and Alisa. Please keep updating this for the new DLC characters.

[@marcoliviertoure1676]

Very instructive ! Thanks

[@Ryan-gh4iz]

0:50 - Only Eddy and King seem to leave footprints in the sand

[@Xengard]

this is invaluable info. thanks a lot, man

[@JeadanPersona]

well put, I love the effort. Keep it up.

[@ejrodriguez5719]

WE WANT AN ANTI-ALISA VIDEO, pleaseeee I really need it! Hope you consider. CHAINSAWS ARE NEEDED TO BE NERFED

[@jovan7365]

Chainsaws aren’t that bad bruh. The high is plus, the mid is safe. The low can’t be low parried. If she blocks something or gets hit, the chainsaws leave.

[@handsomesquidward151]

Stop crying for nerfs you scrubby red rank

[@handsomesquidward151]

Red rank problems

[@uhhhhhhhhh333]

@@jovan7365 her movement plus the chainsaws is unfair

[@ejrodriguez5719]

@@jovan7365 yah I've played her, but the Plus frames in destructive form is 🤢

[@BigDaddyWes]

Great breakdown. Thanks for the hard work. This is added uniqueness for Tekken that I really love. They could've just made sidestep homogeneous, along with character's hitboxes, or just simple make sidestep function like high/low crush. The game is designed to have built-in exceptions to almost every rule. It adds a lot to a game when you can really get in the weeds and do homework to collect and parse data like this. Even if some of the statistics change in the future, just knowing conceptually how this is a thing is hugely beneficial because it will keep you from saying stuff like "everyone can step that left." When in reality only some can, while everyone can step right. This leads to some even more whacky (unintended?) consequences of side selection when you consider all of this.

[@Ookinachinchin]

Great video, you can tell a decent amount of effort went into it. Must’ve took a while to get all of the data.

[@LightningLag]

😮 nice data comparison!

[@piyushsaroj6906]

I saw this camera angle first time Thank you❤

[@notDinsss]

Cooking with facts. Easily the best T8 channel by this metric.

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

One day the community at large will remember the phrase hurtbox and not confuse it for a hitbox.

[@Aldrenean]

A hurtbox is a type of hitbox. You only need to specify when it gets ambiguous.

[@SupMaHomies]

One day, but for me today is not that day. Hitbox for life

[@themosthighvaluemaninthega9048]

One day people will stop calling Kazuya Kazooyah

[@BigDaddyWes]

They're all just collision detection regions, hitbox is just a short hand. On a game engine level, the only difference is what times they're active, but they're the exact same principle and when you program them, they're all hitboxes. The whole hurt/hit box distinction is completely arbitrary. People pretend it's intuitive and simple to understand, but it's not. I hit you with my fist and it hurt you. I hurt you with my fist and it hit you. The only way to be clear is to say "attack hitbox" and "character hitbox" it's not complicated at all and everyone knows what you're talking about because you said one extra word for context instead of using a synonym for a word pretending it's an antonym and then looking down on people who don't get it.

[@ACloudWithoutAir]

Lmao right?

[@AdezeosClips]

I think this is the first time I've seen a full-blown scientific Tekken video. This is amazing. Hats off to you! Must have been hell to edit together too.

[@jesselabayog1340]

if you ever start testing backdashes, there is something you MUST test. reina's f,f+2 -> sen 3. only 3 characters (if i remember correctly) can backdash out before the sen 3 comes out. which are king law and someone else.

[@NumbersLetters_]

Gods work right here. Respect

[@amodestpileofgarbage1146]

Thank you so much for your hard work! You always do such a phenomenal job. Easily the best tekken data channel there is.

[@TekkenMaster1501]

Nice video man. You put much effort into it. 🎉🎉🎉

[@kibowman]

That's a huge work Great vid!

[@eddnav]

Absolutely goated video.

[@DaedricNZ]

Good stuff man, this is quality info

[@makakaku3481]

The best informative tekken content by far

[@The_Buff_Guy]

So kazuya has no left arm hit box consistency, AND one of the worst sidesteps in the game. Sick. Amazing video, as always bro. So interesting!

[@abirneji]

it's not one of the worst in the game, in the test results section he was at 45%, tied with a bunch of other 45's the 50% would have made him tie, and that's not very far off Honestly it seems like its barely below average

[@The_Buff_Guy]

@@abirneji below average sidestep on a character that doesn’t even fully function as a character yet compared to everyone else in the roster. That’s an awful combination, and it’s no wonder kazuya players are getting destroyed online. He needs some serious hit box tweaking and an enlarged sidestep.

[@StasionSpasski]

@@The_Buff_GuyThat’s an exaggeration. He has inconsistent combos in the game, yes. However contrary to many characters in this game, he has a clear identity. The best punishment on paper, great 50/50, busted oki at the wall and clear weaknesses in terms of bad poking and weak pressure in the open forms a very defined gameplan with Kazuya. Meanwhile almost any other character is a rushdown pressure monster. So saying that he doesn’t function as a character is not correct. And I agree with the other person: the difference between 45 and 50% is not significant.

[@The_Buff_Guy]

@@StasionSpasski he absolutely doesn’t fully function as a character. I just made a video about this on my channel with multiple hit box examples from multiple scenarios from multiple players. Clear cut footage of his standing 3, jab, df1, twin pistons, and b2 moves all whiffing by being very slightly off axis. It’s not acceptable in a game full of killers. Kazuya doesn’t function. The fact that he has a below average sidestep makes him boarder line useless.

[@darklustgamingchannel4535]

Kazuya mains can tell straight away that he has awful hitboxes crappy evasion and extended hurtboxes. Theres combos king can do that literally pick a grounded person off the ground, yet kazuya cant hook punch an airborne opponent right next to him if the axis is slightly off

[@TheGianGame]

Great job man, GG!!!!

[@KillingHawk]

Best experimental video ever i watch.

[@isshintheguy4172]

Im glad you took the time to study the abberant data. If it was me i wouldve chalked it up to hitbox jank and cried harada pls.

[@RR35031]

wild work. thank you

[@lanceuppercut789]

holy crap, the level of detail here is insane

[@Acrophyllia]

W vid. I don't think the step is inconsistent but the hitbox is.

[@grdrddd]

4:48 for jack it may have to do with distance travel after block. His extended arms may happen to give the block animation farther away form body hitbox. Reina s kick doesnt reach in time regardless of startup but does check lilis hip-palm stance

[@NYG5]

Of course Feng has the best male sidestep, why the fk wouldn't he, just give him a mid electric alreasy

[@liviekumori]

That would be straight up evil lmao

[@tndmrappelz7210]

great video man keep it up

[@Knut92]

are a mad man for actually collecting the data

[@RiffRaffish]

Great work!

[@potatogod7771]

Thank you mishima guy for the great video yet again! 🤩 this video allowed me to sidestep my dads belt!

[@yoleornole885]

Kazuya’s shadow from the arial view looks like he brought the rod out

[@Mfwiseguy]

This channel is seriously underrated

[@natyinc9611]

Phenomenal video! I hope this gets way more attention - the data is amazing, and the implications are huge. One of the more worrying ones being - so, characters are just (almost) randomly better than others at sidestepping, and Bamco clearly didn't do any QA work to find this? Considering this, the initial launch state of the game, and the bugs that get introduced after new patches, I have a feeling the game is held together with faith and duct-tape.

[@Three_Blind_Dice]

Movement has always been different between characters in all Tekken games, it's intentional

[@180Ranmafan]

This voice is so serious lol but it is for TEKKEN SCIENCE! Great work

[@ismogang905]

I really like how it looks like a scientific research paper/article. I see the same rigor and aknlowdgment of the limits of your presentation

[@sleepenjoyer-on2dr]

I recently hit Fujin with Yoshi and so decided to focus more on fundamentals instead of gimmicks. And as I tried to do so I started losing so much more it's crazy, I'm currently back on Mighty Ruler. This video taught me I should stop trying to side step so much and utilize his B3/4 spin instead. Thank you!

[@WafflesOWNz]

Keep in mind these are edge cases. You should definitely try to learn what situations are best for side stepping. The timing of your side step matters a lot as well. Some situations you should practice, like side stepping Ling's F2,1,2 in heat. Buffering side step out of strings you know can be side stepped instead of mashing up or down will help with consistency. Pressing a button too soon will also cut your distance short. B3/4 are great tools, but can be baited and launched or don't give you enough time to punish in some situations.

[@TwinkTekken]

great video !!

[@urbanmanager3105]

Bamco: "Nice work! We're gonna have this data as our property that we never did before!"

[@MrYourDry]

Leaving a comment for your KZbin analytics

[@ejrodriguez5719]

Me too😅

[@djfuchi]

You did amazing work. This game needs an update for these hitboxes & sidestepping I’ve seen so much jank in game 😪

[@Mike-rt2vp]

The most impressive thing is the dramatic narration

[@poiZen0]

Oh thank you. I always days side steps were very inconsistent in this game

[@Shomus]

This is good, thank you

[@trashgamerxd7612]

Your videos are out of this world. Speedy leg.

[@notyourbaby4978]

Amazing data and results! Please do one with backdash.

[@jayden_rico]

@5:46 I see you man 😂😂😂

[@aryanburnwal2371]

Speedy head😏

[@aryanburnwal2371]

I'm jealous of lars

[@mbfun9298]

7:29 The only insight I kinda got is that the side steps don't really seem to work and that there is just a huge number of variables that make side stepping be a lot more situational than it should be. Excellent deep dive!

[@rancersweirdness]

Its so stupid that kazuyas sidestep is below average when hes supposed to evade into electrics, harada for some reason just really hates t8 kazuya

[@pogsgaming4577]

Holy shit, what is this godsend of a video?

[@syedgouhar1790]

Thanks for the research definitely something can be an addendum on research with hurtboxes. Ima subscribe rn