Who Invented the Pop Shove It?

Who invented the pop shove it? It's hard to imagine such a basic trick having an inventor, but there is one! It's just not entirely clear who it is... Let's take a look!
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[@kanescrimes4848]

When I first started skating there were so many times I thought "I've came up with my own trick"...only to find out years later when I was finally allowed to go into the city where the other 20 skaters in all of Nova Scotia were, that the tricks I thought were my inventions have been done years before me. With that said, I can't help but think that in the early day's of skating when kids were first learning what was possible on a skateboard, that there were a few people sequentially "inventing" the same tricks in different places, and was a matter of who got known for it first. I know for a fact that there's sponsor level skaters out there right now with no sponsor or recognition, who no one will ever see. So in the aforementioned "early day's" I'm thinking that not every trick inventor was known-sponsored, and it's very possible that there was someone doing shuvit's in their driveway before Allan and Rocco in the arena over the pipe, but were living in the middle of nowhere(where I live) and stopped skating at age 15 to become a alcoholic fisherman. There's just too many variables involved for me to believe that the same skaters in the spotlight were also the same to invent the tricks. Doesn't that kinda insinuate that all talented skaters had sponsors and recognition at that time? Because that's just bonkers.

[@ryanbill8692]

I always considered a shuv-it to be anytime where the board turns 180 degrees without you while a pop shuv-it needs an ollie tacked onto the beginning.

[@charlesmartel5495]

Same here

[@z96109]

yoooo Rad Rat I imagine you having an awesome VHS/DVD skate video collection. If you do, you should make a video where you show it off.

[@francky4549]

I can land kickflips, heelflips, varial flips... but pop shove its will always be my favorite trick ! In my opinion, Ty doesn't invent the pop shove it, but he obviously was a big influence to it.

[@chasec]

I always love the level of research and information in your videos. Keep it up!

[@yungeffen6173]

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[@blakehaley9550]

It's insane how you don't have more subs, with all the effort and research you do, more people need to see this high quality content!

[@twelvelookslike]

He needs a shout out from a bigger skate channel

[@Skatox]

greetings from Venezuela! interesting how fs shove it was first, I guess the did fs air Ollies without turning the bodies. Btw, some friends here don't speak English so I have to retell your videos each week, keep the good work!

[@Jacksito177]

Dudo mucho que el pop shove it se haya hecho justamente acá en Venezuela. No hay registros de ningúna competencia venezolana de skate durante los 70s, creo que esa quote de Steve Rocco es falsa, o la alteraron de alguna forma

[@Nominay]

If you look at Rodney's ON Video from 2002, it shows footage of him in 1979 doing a backside pop shove it. It's even shown in slo-mo. Interestingly I can't think of any other time that I saw him do a backside pop shove it.

[@bobs1474]

That was a nollie fs shove it

[@kierandyer-LeavingAtDawn]

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[@tonycruise]

have you ever seen anyone do a pop shuv fs smith fs huv out? i did it for the first time the other day, your channel kind of inspires me to learn about skating and its history and make skating history even if its a personal skating history of learning new tricks

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[@DinoArmy13]

just go to the skate park and ask people if you can just try out their board

[@erlik07]

8" is the standard right now. Go for it and by the time you will need to change your board you will already know if you want to go bigger or smaller. Don't overthink it because at the end of the day its not that big of a deal when you begin.

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[@BroWithBigHeart]

I love the fan base on these videos:)

[@claysoggyfries]

Chris Yeah really great

[@UTCSB]

Thank you Steve Rocco for bringin the front pop love that trick

[@ianmacleod2185]

up to 10K subs!! great , not an actual skateboarder, but I've always admired the culture , different games and what not, amazing videos you make as well, keep it up!

[@domnicktrujillo5604]

not trick related, but with go skateboarding day coming up would be cool to know where it came from, and how it progressed!

[@trevornorling1408]

totally

[@jewnersey7413]

Emerica started it I believe with the “Wild in the Streets” thing they did in Philly. I met Reynolds and spanky at love park, it was awesome. June 21st because it’s the first day of summer, time to skate!

[@danielc9320]

Dude, pop shoveits were like hokus pokus time frame. And what made it a pop shoveit was an ollie lol. Like late shove... love your channel bro, keep up the good work

[@Audioscientist]

i subbed the other day and binged your videos and im so hyped to see this channel blow up. keep up the great work man

[@oldschooljoe643]

THank for the research. I totally agree with you opinion on the ty hop. The litmus test would be: Once you can do the ty hop, can automatically also do a bs pop shove it? Clearly not. The hardest parts of a pop shove it are (1) gaining height and (2) doing the trick while rolling forward. That's what you struggle with while learning a proper pop shove it. It is easy to imagine that people learn walk the dogs and ty hops, but would still struggle with doing a pop shove it while rolling forward. If it is possible that you can do one trick but not the other, then they are not the same. Should you run out of questions to answer, here is mine: Why are skateparks becoming more and more street oriented and also seem to focus on smaller obstacles? All the parks built in recent years seem to have more small stair sets, wheelie tables, rails, but less ramps, expecially steep ramps and transitions. I don't get it. For one thing, if I want to go street skating, I don't need a park. And these new park designs make skateboarding so much less accessible for viewers. They force Skaters to do more early 90s style high tech tricks at low speed, one at a time, with no flow. Whatever happened to going big?

[@andhemills]

Ha! Thanks for the info on "walking the dog". I've definitely seen Mullen do it and didn't know what it was called. I learned how to do it in less than an hour last night and none of the kids at the park knew what it was called when I asked if they could walk the dog.

[@joshuadansby2874]

Thank you so much for making this one that I requested.

[@Skip_Jaymz]

another really great video man, keep it up

[@jorndoff2002]

I saw Ty page do what he called a vertical kick flip in the 70s at Winchester. He had unbelievable balance and board control for his time.

[@calebvillalobos2541]

congrats on 10k subs man

[@thevixenveronica]

I love your videos! Bringing out everyone's inner skate nerd

[@MonkeyMagick]

I've been skating for 30 years and I didn't know that. Thanks for doing the research.

[@HelloThere-os3ev]

Wow

[@yahbella----23]

Thank God ty didn't invent one of my favorite tricks Edit: I can't do front pop shuvs, only back, but I can do nollie front shuvs

[@gonzo13ist]

Quality research and materials! Kudos

[@Rufusdos]

Actually, related to some of the comments below, it would be really interesting to see a breakdown of how the phenomenon of "catching it in the air" emerged. The first time I saw it really clearly was the ender of that video "Turn the other cheek" (c.'91), a cleanly caught kickflip down a stairset. There was also a chris pastras interview in Transworld around that time where he said that was what he was focussing on, with flips and shoveits. But there's even some old 80s footage of Natas catching a kickflip over a flatbar at a demo. That would be an interesting one for sure. There's some appalling non-caught flip tricks in Hokus-Pokus too, even down huge gaps or over trashcans.

[@HxWilliams]

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[@user-gp5yh7eg4z]

I did. I invented it. In or around '87 I was trying something I hadn't seen yet- ollieing high and backside shoving at the top. It felt good to be doing something I hadn't yet seen done...although doubtless it had been done for years by plenty of people. Did anybody care? Yeah- me.

[@gregcase1162]

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[@FakieFSflip]

Greg Case this one is not necessarily a slam but still... it's brutal. look up inward heel carlsbad slam

[@darntootin897]

@@FakieFSflip augghhh that credit card

[@FakieFSflip]

@@darntootin897 one of the all time greats. Maybe even theee greatest

[@thevixenveronica]

Could you do a video on Dylan rieders impact on skateboarding? Namely giving style greater attention, trendy Instagram skaters and cuffed pants

[@gregkis]

the Ty hop counts. it doesn't matter what direction you are going it's still a shove it

[@robertblackmore703]

Solid work. I agree: not the same thing; gotta give it to Rocco.

[@stevenimeson902]

Id say ty hop is just apart of ty Paige's style and the way he did things with his board... And Steve Rocco rules so I can agree

[@LxgOutMane]

Happy 10K subscribers Aron :D

[@prod.N0ZA]

so some how when i watch you're videos (btw i love them cuz i really like skateboarding and games) i always get an ad witch has sportland (sports based items scooter, skates) and theres a guy skateboarding showing of

[@mrblue251]

I'm new to skateboarding, but coming from balisong flipping, we have moves that have their own names, but are just strings of smaller tricks. Like a Behind the 8ball is just a 0g Chaplin, a thumb Chaplin, a Zen rollover, and a wrist pass to end it. Granted, we're talking about a similar maneuvers being called different things based on the context, which isnt the case for my example (and I can't think of any). Either way, He didn't pop the board into the air, wouldnt you call the ty hop just a normal shuvit?

[@benitofranklyn4237]

Well if he didn't pop his deck like a real ollie it's just a shove it. Nollie and fakie shove its were done a lot before the ollie. Only if you really pop your tail (or nose) it's a pop shove it. For some reason fakie pop shuv is the trick I get my deck the highest. Except for Ollies of course. I always do it on banks, both directions either fakie or to fakie to show off when skating with a new crowd or at a new spot.

[@LxgOutMane]

Ty Page is the bruce lee of skateboarding lmao

[@daLaxplaya17]

No way he was doing front shoves over shit before the pop shove it was invented

[@daLaxplaya17]

I was confused bc he says over a 3-4” pipe

[@haroldcampos9661]

3:25 he does a body varial also

[@iawnlad]

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[@Unreissued]

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[@itsspunkdad]

Great content as ever

[@TheRealGoopyGoop]

I invented the trick called a poop shove- it , it's when you poop your pants while doing a pop shove- it

[@ellisdtrails420]

The Real Goopy Goop and I invented the dick flip, cock shuvit and the anal air. where's our vid??

[@TheRealGoopyGoop]

ellisdtrails420 right

[@AaaBbb-ts9fq]

i invented the kickflop. it's kickflip, but you fall and die.

[@AaaBbb-ts9fq]

i'm actually dead rn.

[@skatefilter360]

i notice that yeah right was in thug2 as the special was well as spacewalk

[@jbrockett121234]

Great content as always rad rat

[@williambarr7408]

Ty's definitely not a pop shuvit, I'm surprised the first ones were frontside as well.

[@Scroolip]

I haven't really been watching for long but I just noticed a few things: Skid plates on the board, and in the impossible video you made you have a mode skateboards sticker on the board. Clearly you're a fan of freestyle, so have you done any videos on things like World Round Up? Isamu yamamoto, Mike Osterman and others that compete? your opinions on brands like Mode and other freestyle brands as opposed to common brands like flip, enjoi, birdhouse etc. And just final notation, what are your preferences on single kick boards?

[@madestcap]

Here's an interesting question for you: How many possible skateboard tricks exists? Over a million?

[@daw945]

Congrats on 10k

[@cheeto4sure]

10k subs yeah!

[@shmee2571]

23K baby!!

[@joshuadwyerthiem5158]

Well done on 10k

[@bonzotheclown7284]

I do this trick a lot in skate 3

[@luismurillo5855]

Who invented the wallride? You should do a video on that.

[@bubbadagger]

natas invented the wall ride.

[@Thrashin_Victim]

And the Wallie.

[@markakia]

You really shouldnt need a video about that

[@LUKEDOESGAMINGDAGGERS]

Can ollie, frontside 180, kickflip, almost heelflip, boneless, but can't shuvit. I can never seem to consistently land it.

[@ericlowery2162]

Freestyle is coming back from the dead

[@BigBoy-yl3ye]

Rad rat I have question who made the nollie

[@blake8675]

he answered that

[@ariekanibalie]

Another quality video. You know you're on the up when your channel starts to attract useless fukbois trolling the comment section.

[@matrixarsmusicworkshop561]

Its funny how you can use a pop shove it instead of ollie to jump... As you dont use your front leg at all lol its intriguing

[@PHeMoX]

Isn't there quite a gap between the front side pop shove it and backside pop shove it in terms of when it was first invented? I can't remember who said as much. Then again, maybe it has more to do with lack of footage or claims, as in those early days tricks were done and invented almost every week or month. I'm also 100% confident people underestimate the influence of early boneless and no comply variations that seem to have been forgotten about. Freestyle was big, yes. However there are quite a few tricks from that time that weren't generally done in contests.

[@TranceEnding]

Where is that wave background from? It's bothering the hell out of me that I can't pin where I've seen it before

[@MrPikaparka1]

thats a shuv it..ty page was the first to shuv his board in a 180 direction...not the first POP shuv it of course...but the first recorded shuv it is ty page of colurse..

[@mouija1450]

I don't think the shove-it really got popped until like 1992-1993. In the late 80's it was sliding on the ground. Watch the New Deal vids. Slippin and slidin an inch off the ground with every variation. The first time I saw someone getting more than an inch or two off the ground was a 411 with some guy I can't recall just owning the trick with a stinkfoot lazy back foot style like kids do real late tre flips now. That was unheard of at the time. Jeremy Wray and Mike Carroll were catching clean kickflips with style while the rest of us were still trying triple varial flips bouncing off the ground. One 411 VCR cassette later, everyone was popping every trick.

[@50yearoldskater]

I learned how to 'pop' my shove it's in 1986 on a Blockhead Street by combining the street ollie with the shove it: The majority of shove it's I had seen at that time in Street Contests had been done off of the nose with just a whipping motion. A year later in 1987, Natas did a line in Steets of Fire where he did a regular ( no pop ) backside shove it off of the tail & followed with the same type of shove it off of the boards, now reversed, nose. Those started to become known as 'modern shove it's' and yes indeed you are correct-- those trended heavy in the early 90's, becoming all the rage! but I can assure you Pop Shove It's were a separate trick & being done prior. Julian Stranger does a proper one over a hip in 1990's A Reason For Living by Santa Cruz and to me, that trick was already 4 years old at that time. For perspective, when I was 19 at a Contest in 1988, Mike Carrol was in the 14 and under and I was in the 18 and up. So yes kickflips were being caught in the late 80's, just not everyone had perfected that technique. if anything it downgraded in the early 90's as styles, both board and skating wise, changed.

[@munkeeman688]

I've seen a video of yours where you talk about your ankle injury being so bad, it would've been preferable if you had actually broken it. I feel you, done the exact same thing and it ended my basketball career. Fate intervened and the same thing happened to my other foot. Cruel bitch. My athletic endeavours are over; but it burns at me that I couldn't continue to play ball, and skating is an unrealistic pipedream of mine. Off topic. Still think you should do 'gaps'. They're so infamous they actually have names, lol. Cool channel by the way.

[@SteveRocco-v5w]

Hello, hi it’s me steve rocco. I usually do not comment on anything since i have zero social media presence but someone showed me your video and i just finished watching it. First off thanks for doing the work to track down a small part of skateboarding history. But it think your video would have been much better and more honest if you had shown the quotes from Rodney and attributed your source to Mackenzie Eisenhower who wrote the original article. If your intent was to give credit where credit is due on the pop shove it to me thank you. But let’s also give credit to Mackenzie a bit of credit for spending over ten years tracking down the story. And especially to Rodney. It is easier to get blood from a stone than to get Rodney to go on record about anything of controversy. For him to weigh in, using his own words, was a “righteous” thing to do. And that would make your story all the better.

[@jvgcgjkckhckchckckhhc]

Shilo Greathouse said on a podcast that Steve Rocco invented the front shuv

[@blakolawton5205]

mr. rat do u think rodney mullen should enter the berrics

[@RASK1904]

10240! to the moon. great content!

[@TheKRiddler]

you will get a job in a musem on day hope to see you on the history of skateboarding museum tour

[@davidramone3687]

Rad rat in this video you show a clip of people skating in the 60s to be exact 1962 one dude is wearing vans in the vid but vans didn’t come out till 1966 SPOOKY .

[@fruitbowl2012]

Who was the first person to popularize switch and nollie?

[@damianstachelski775]

A few ideas: James Frazier, Salman Agah, Dan Gallagher, Ali Mills, Armando Barajas, maybe a few others

[@courtwalnut6652]

theres a wednesday with reda episode where he's in a dinner and talks to a guy who fits what you're looking for. that episode was a while ago though.

[@IAmTheBestMang]

Jesus, Ty Page just died.

[@Nominay]

Of course a ty hop is not a pop shuvit. I started freestyling in the 80's and use to both until 10 years ago when I quit skating. There's no comparison. There is video footage of Rodney doing backside pop shuvits in 1979. I'm confident he was the first, and that Natas was the first street skater to do them later.

[@yung___lx]

10k bro!

[@aleksr2329]

Ay 10k subs

[@mr.jazzbodkelsey58]

Dubai was liiiit! Me and ma boi Rocco was goin round and round. Rocco ma boiii

[@skateslam2719]

Ty page is now dead apparently

[@seanseanston]

Just 3 days after this video was uploaded. Weird.

[@digilifestyle7991]

Make a video of you skating

[@gunpla_sk8]

why don't you see more people skate high tops?

[@dleov4645]

great video

[@fuckthisc1ty]

my grandpa did he had to do it over a curb when goo g down hill to survive a gnarly fall true story he revolutionized skateboarding no one knows his name not even me

[@matrixarsmusicworkshop561]

Shove but no pop

[@danbowmen4180]

it's pretty clear Ty created the pop shove it. where you're rolling after doesn't really matter. lmao

[@JorgeSomething]

720 shuvs in the 80's , wow

[@MIKE2111ful]

They didn't look good

[@decayentivus]

Ty Page died 01. 06 . 2017 [*]

[@michaeljohn8905]

Yoooo this such a good post. That aside there. Are soo many people that say they did the first of whatever . I thought I made up the nose blunt slide! But then I woke up 😢 Rocco whatever you may think of him was a ripping freestyler and that’s a fact. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he was the inventor of such a cool way to flip your board before doing another trick. No weird biz but you are not forgotten man and I ❤ ya skate brother scumbag ! 😂 That was with love not sarcasm bro. I would love to spend a weekend just to chat over a few beers. Anyway work calls again gotta go. Mike 13 st off ave. A LES ! TIERRA BRORIQUA . 😂 No but really skateboarding has taught me how few there are out there so please don’t park in our sport that I’m proud of. Yea there’s some dickheads everywhere you go but for me skating has led me to have dinner over so many different cultures and to see a side of say black families or Indian fams. Or Phillipino fams . It was just natural for a skater to invite the whole crew over for dinner or lunch because they family told them to. Just show that they ain’t no different from anyone else. We all bleed when we fall face down from a 12 stair Ollie a couple times before we learn. I really feel as though our community was trained differently than most other younger kids and teens back then and now. You’ll look back on these times with fond memories when your body finally gives up. .me I’m 51 and I. Still dropping in baby ! Hop I get another 10 ! Wish me luck 🍀 Peace to all you boy n girls wanting to try this. If you really like it. Don’t ever stop ,even if you get a bone break or knee problem, it’s far easier for you to return to active status if you keep skating if you stop like I did after three surgeries and did what the doctors told me that I would never skate again. I would not be doing what I’m doing now. Most knee injuries can be attributed to not working out your core muscles that help your bones from breaking and keep them separated. You can’t just. Have surgery and expect everything to be fine. A good dude and skater for life said something that stuck with me and that is fight for it! (Fight for it if you really want this need to get better than fight for it for every little game fight for it ! ) Take vitamins, take supplements they are out there read on whatever you have to fight for it if it means something to you ) I’m not playing anymore. I wanna skate. I may not skate like I used to jumping down 12 steps and getting his rad as possible but now that there are bowls and pools and skate spots in every party United States I’ve got the the fever !

[@RelicswithAlex]

RIP TY PAGE

[@ThatPlasticOne]

rip ty page

[@SmartDumbNerdyCool]

A Ty-Hop is a manual to shove-it?

[@charlesmaclelland891]

Its almost the most natural trick I say some kid in the 50s

[@deberleoffice]

Hello RADRAT .... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a video about the difference between fakie fs and bs tailslides and lipslides ....EVERYONE gets this wrong and I need your scientific expertise to verify this.

[@wadu7205]

I wish I could go and skate but I hit myself in the shin with a hatchet :']

[@jdmresearch]

Rocco's hardly comes with any pop in it....

[@gonzomclovin773]

Does anyone know who invented the tre-flip

[@quackywhackityphillyb.3005]

Rodney mullen

[@mush5802]

I feel as if Ty Paige is kind of taking credit for stuff that’s not his, I mean he’s kind of being dramatic.

[@ilkkarautio2449]

Tys doest count. Pop it and preferrable down stairs.

[@YoungStoney-bf7fx]

Ty hop was not a shuvit