Who is Tekken's Counter-Hit Specialist?

[@quincyjacobs6994]

Dude, get off of Kings nuts already. If you over pressure king you beat him. Numan didn’t attack enough. And I hate your takes. You try and make everything that Steve does looks like expert high level stuff, but like the stuff king does is easy mode lol. And also, people that do running gs don’t really buffer it, we’re just good enough to do the move:

[@PhiDX]

Is it not helpful to King players to lay out his game plan so they can more optimally play him?

[@EmptyTenementSpirit]

Okay but King does have probably the best and most rounded CH game in T8 considering that every other CH based char lost a lot of their CH tools or had them changed completely into different moves. King isn't beyond broken or anything but King is very good and has a lot of things that other chars simply didn't lose. Bryan lost FF4 CH, Steve lost DF2 CH launch, these are just examples but they still happened. King basically kept all of his CH tools for no discernible reason beyond they felt like not removing them from his kit. Which is fine! King always had a good CH game, so why did other CH chars lose a bunch of CH tools? Stop coping, King is very good, but he's also not top 1 omegabroken, you are not a victim for people talking about how good King is.

[@TauntJetUpper]

​@@EmptyTenementSpiritto add to your point, bryan lost ss1 and fcdf 4 CH launch, and Steve lost his ws2 CH launch also. If steves df2 doesnt launch anymore, maybe make it homing again...

[@commanderlars]

The least brain damaged King player:

[@VTorb]

@@PhiDX I love that you pinned this

[@UltimatViolet]

One thing about King's db+1+2 armor is that he can actually cancel it after 17 frames into literally anything, including his throws, which adds another layer to how the move can be used.

[@tomlawyer7942]

not to mention it allows for a 'scrub' tombstone if you hold the 1+2 during db1+2 you can just press f+4 to get a tombstone out of it, works as well for isw.

[@jco3529]

​@@tomlawyer7942 thank you sir.

[@MastdarmWeishaupt]

jesus king is hella s tier

[@Xero-Space]

​@@tomlawyer7942trying this when i get home, i need to use both of those moves more often

[@theish9]

I just started playing a week ago. I have no idea what your talking about but the amount of knowledge and nuance that goes in to how you analyze game play is amazing. It really makes me excited to learn more. Thanks for the content

[@rae5425]

Koreans: KBD, KBD, KBD, KBD Numan : Forward dash, forward dash, run in, forward dash, run in

[@leonard9624]

Dude koreans and japs also dash in and block

[@OctopusH2O]

PFD Pakistani Forward Dash

[@shintenkai1648]

I love kbd, because all these wannabes are trying their best to be try hards that kbd becomes their tell.

[@tabkg5802]

Strongest retreating fan vs weakest hold-forward enjoyer

[@OctopusH2O]

@@shintenkai1648 what does that even mean ?

[@jackalderman1543]

Phi I love your stuff dude! I was in the first 100,000 came in about 4 months ago and I’m hyped anytime I see a new one from you and love going through your old stuff to see how you’ve changed and gotten to where you are now! Keep up the good work can’t wait to see this channel blow up!!

[@TheZoobZoobs]

I'm really sad Numan was eliminated but at the same time, seeing a king at that level was a treat. King also highlighted Steve's biggest problem in this game; Numan had to put SO MUCH effort into getting his combo damage, this happened against all of his opponents, while King; man needed to land like 2-3 hits and he would always catch up. I honestly believe if Steve like did Dragnuv level damage Numan would clean the tournament raw. Like look at 21:11, Numan did so much god level reads to get The Jon that low and in response The Jon takes out 90% of his health off of an air grab from a counterhit hop knee. I get he was in rage so he had the 10% buff that is still insane.

[@P_Pacey]

Last week was arguing this King player on how King's nerfs were justified. Mentioned exactly that, King at any point of the match can kill you. If I mained king as I do Bryan. I'd never feel threated because all my tools at any point of the match can snowball hard because the damage, CH chance and how most of King's moves wipe recoverable damage that it's not funny. While everyone else at low health thinks, "I need to be careful how I place my next plays and should make reads." for King it's mostly just "He gonna powercrush here. So grab! Or he will poke here so CH into 55-70 damage or Heatsmash and we back in business baby!"

[@TheZoobZoobs]

@@P_Pacey I think the only one who competes with King's damage output / might be slightly higher is Paul, as in, being able to delete your whole health bar with 2-3 moves.

[@huzaifawajid4333]

@@TheZoobZoobs Paul's biggest weakness is his legacy moves and being too predictable.

[@TheZoobZoobs]

@@huzaifawajid4333 That is true, the damage output is insane but he still is easier to read than the top tiers.

[@azuredream9032]

King is braindead lol he's basically the astaraoth of tekken. I dislike all grapplers in any fg. Low effort high reward characters.

[@-feonix48-47]

Love your tournament breakdown content, will always be here for this kinda stuff and v excited to check this out

[@christianmjr]

Congrats on 100k!

[@Courtesyyy]

As Someone who does boxing in real life i always thought concert letting a wrestler get too close, wrestler would win, But if boxer Can keep distance have a decent footwork, boxer wins. But Also depends on person as for any Martial art/ combat sport ( befor people start aruge over it keep it in mind this just my own expereince with it and Im just stating , how a wrestler could win and how boxer would win, i am not saying one is better than the other) just wanna make it clear , Else have a Dam good day ,lads and lass!

[@bahjont]

MMA exists and we have seen how easy it is for wrestlers to take down strikers who don't have good takedown defense.

[@Manley156]

@@bahjont Yes, inversely we see how frequently wrestlers lack a good stand up game and get chinned. Your point is moot when it goes both ways. Strikers need good takedown defense (and in the current era of mma they often do) and wrestlers need basic striking and know how to close distance.

[@bonfist7277]

@@Manley156 The difference is that wrestlers work that movement and footwork as well. As you stated, it’s a matter of their lacking skill that would result in their loss. If you took a complete pure wrestler and a complete pure boxer, the boxer has no idea what to do against a shot, takedown, and ground work. The wrestler would at least know to avoid a dude punching at them through his own footwork, finding his distance and opportunity. And with one success, it’s over.

[@Kenshi876]

@@Manley156 It doesnt go both ways.A boxer that doesn't have takedown defense will lose very time. Wrestlers do get chinned in the UFC but theres no such thing as a UFC fighter thats clueless in grappling all UFC fighters have spent many hours on the mat practicing their grappling even if its only to defend takedowns. A pure boxer wont have a clue what to do against a takedown and will be powerless to defend it.

[@tongpoo8985]

A wrestler wins every time. If he can lay a finger on the boxer's legs, it's over. Boxer won't know how to sprawl effectively, and once the takedown is complete, there is little to no chance of escape. Also, weirdly when some fighters that specialize in wrestling fight pure strikers, they have some unique advantages in the striking since the takedown is such a big threat, they can fake a takedown then come over the top with an overhand. Go watch khabib v gaethje and you can see how gaethje has difficulty even in the striking because he has to be constantly ready to sprawl and can't find his footing + has to keep his hands a lower

[@jdrm3710]

Seeing high level tekken on the eyes of a pro and explaining every bit of details is so fun and educational for me.

[@c16621]

I am literally already CRYING for this poor Steve player - may his throw breaks always be correct 🙏

[@Qwuiet]

It would be so awesome and interesting if we can see the hand cams during the match. It would make us appreciate their skills more.

[@sstanford1331]

Ig, but all u really need is the inputs

[@SuffyDubs]

its crazy how joka actually won these tournament it was totall bloodbath bazz is the best tournament that i actually watched in a while

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

I think it was also because no one plays Feng in Pakistan so it was a matchup knowledge check as well. Many times players didn't punish Feng properly.

[@Frizzy125]

Joka is British Pakistani

[@SuffyDubs]

@@yellowscarlightningscream8347 nah man everyone play feng here. joka just did great these time altough our pakistani team lost these time. but am not sad at all about these. am happy and proud for joka that how he survived these beasts den alone where all koreans disqualified. hope i see more from him in future

[@SuffyDubs]

@@Frizzy125 😆😆technically pakistani so lets say pakistani team wins these time also lol

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

@@SuffyDubs who is a regular Feng player?

[@Cherilyn_45]

Great analysis, always so insightful. Thanks a lot Phi 🥰

[@gamenime2109]

30:33 Normally Steve goes into flicker after the QC 1 (smash) for frames and then he can dash forward faster( f3, f4, ducking forward), UNFORTUNATELY when Numan did flicker by holding back after QC1, he also inputted or miss inputted the forward dash causing him to B3/B4(back sway) instead of F3/F4(ducking forward). Mistakes happen and it was unfortunate to see, as a Steve main I fully understand the pain

[@JOMADA_]

In a game where characters have better damage, better gimmicks, better reach, better mids, better lows, better tracking and better evasion... idk give Steve an actual mid. He has highs, but why the fuck would you not just spam high crush against him? His 16 frame df2 on CH does 44 damage, if you see him go mid your average hopkick is faster...

[@hammadmalik6744]

Love your analysis videos bro 😍 keep them coming

[@kayanims]

The wrestler has better poking than the boxer 😂

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Tekken 8 BS. King is such a good Counter Hit character in this game.

[@leonard9624]

​@@yellowscarlightningscream8347even in 7

[@alondjeckto]

​@yellowscarlightningscream8347 While "counter hit paragon" has walmart kenpo, almost no ch launchers, no launchers, and no damage. Why they did this to Steve😭😭

[@666slateran666]

​@@yellowscarlightningscream8347skill issue

[@shingrandfather]

@@666slateran666 you keep downplaying king in all the comments it’s hilarious. how is saying “king has better counter hits” a skill issue. that’s literally an objective fact. it’s okay though i wouldn’t expect much critical thinking from a king downplayer.

[@sefflikejeff1917]

Love the high level match analysis, keep up the great work

[@P-Likan]

Great analysis, thank you kindly for your quality content.

[@Ras_2k]

hearing you describe in detail how good kings moves are is about to make me even better at king i didnt know i could do all that

[@neniv]

Watching this match made me sweat like I was playing a match. Awesome analysis!

[@KevinLee-xy5rd]

Keep up the good work!! Love your stuff man!

[@Seigo20]

I think the one thing that would really solidify Steve's offensive capabilities is his UF2 getting one additional buff that he should have gotten with the range extension, and that is making it safe on block. Almost every character that has an "orbital" move is not only safe on block, but leads to much more damage and wall carry than Steve's UF2. There's no reasonable explanation that can justify why a jumping overhead punch is more unsafe than a huge telegraphed high arc SPINNING roundhouse kick. Just make it safe on block, and Steve becomes a bigger offensive threat while not becoming broken.

[@PotatoBoi25]

"You have to finish me PAUSE" 🤣🤣🤣

[@bozcy8791]

great video. these just keep getting better

[@MrUhhuhyeah]

Beautiful title Phi. Love your vids. Keep it up

[@shinygekkouga52]

I can hear the contempt for King in nearly every interaction. We understand, you’re among friends here.

[@MilosJsWizard]

Grappler that can do everything, its insane :D Good lows - Check Good Throws - Check Good counters and combos - Check Good Launchers - Check Good power crush/armor/heat/rage check :D When you play against good player on this character you think there is nothing i offer to beat this.

[@olasumboope4928]

@@MilosJsWizard yeah but bad wall combos, poor wall carry too

[@666slateran666]

​@@MilosJsWizardSkill issue. King is a scrub killer. If you can break throws he becomes much worse

[@angquangnguyenthac2833]

@@olasumboope4928 Dude king main lives by the "why wall carry when you can kill everything from 2 counterhits"?

[@ΆγιοςΤιμοθέος-ρ5υ]

⁠@@666slateran666another grappler that downplays their character 😒…we just explained that some of his grabs can’t be teched. Even PhiXD explained. And he has wall grabs as well…but most Kings are “scrubs” themselves and can’t even do that.😒 I only faced 1 competent King player and he was Tekken God💯

[@Neluv]

With that title I expected a different video. Would love to see an actual video of the best counter-hit characters in Tekken 8!

[@Animetheplayer]

24:01 small correction, if the last hit of King's 1,2,1 string lands CH, it's +10. So the 2,1 after is guaranteed. The 2,1 likely wasnt to CH.

[@pranavjain8774]

This tournament was insane

[@lum1379]

King is so fun to watch but when I fight one i always want to go to the nearest bridge

[@tekkenkaido]

lol

[@JodinsRavensVT]

The kings bridge? XD

[@MintyPolaroid]

dont worry bro, he'll bring the bridge to you

[@olasumboope4928]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@NixToWho]

Great videos as always Phi. Love your content and grats on the 100k. I was wondering if running some of these moments (not the entire match obviously) in e.g. 0.5 speed would be better and more digestable for newer players to follow the strategy while you explain? It only crossed my mind because I'm fairly new myself, and when I watch high level plays like these, I like to rewind critical moments and watch it in slower speed. Either way, always looking forward to your next video!

[@tristanpalser7860]

Great analysis as always Phi

[@Yokoso-kj7ij]

This whole tournament was craaaazy

[@SakamotoSan09]

I feel for Steve players who were robbed of more CH tools than they probably should have been coming into T8, but the idea going around that King’s status as a CH character is new is funny to me considering how many of his CH tools saw significant nerfs from their T7 version. CH and bluespark throws and ffn2’s buffs on normal hit more than make up for what he lost, but his gameplan has been extremely CH oriented for a very long time.

[@bradt.9130]

This tournament was so crazy to watch live. Seriously some of the most intense matches I've ever seen

[@Fastf1ng3rs]

At 19:47, when the Jon did the giant swing after armored shout, they patched this out Phi! Though I don't know if this tournament is using the latest patch :O

[@TheHappySaturnian]

14:29 also important to add about kings f,f,N, 2 is that frames on block are better in this game, but now it’s also extremely linear.

[@ConceptART-Dagas]

My main, finally being represented. Steve , the underdog 🤩

[@Dukfire]

I love your channel, I'll definitely recommend you to new players

[@PerkoVY]

Great vid!

[@ZenStrive52]

Steve is a pure boxer, why King is a rushdown character with OP wrestling moves

[@anxrow]

Both? Both. Both is Good

[@Lotus_on_YT]

This tournament was crazy. Hoping combo breaker is just as hype.

[@grabthememesandrun1204]

Basically every system change for tekken 8 hurt steve and helped king. On top of that, Steve lost all of his good counter hits, and what decent options he has left are bugged. It's a really unfortunate time to be a steve enjoyer, especially since everyone is so happy to see him struggle and cheers against him.

[@666slateran666]

Good. Top tier chad king vs virgin steve

[@XNDL44]

Solid match analysis

[@PsychMan]

I kinda wonder how things would have played out if the other Steve Specialist Heera Malik was in attendance. Both he and Numan have very different playstyles, but Heera was banned from the gauntlet and I have zero clue why.

[@treehann]

Some questions for king players: what breaks giant throw? And is the “chest flop” at 18:41 a mid or a low? That one has been getting me in ranked.

[@TGDPleaseDontLaugh]

You break Giant Swing with 1, Belly Flop is a High hit

[@treehann]

@@TGDPleaseDontLaugh it's a high?? damn thanks lol, I sure wasn't guessing right on that one

[@TGDPleaseDontLaugh]

@treehann the flip he does from backturn is unblockable though, so watch out

[@FieryAnubis]

As much as they want to push Steve's characteristic to be "the counter hit guy", it's King and I won't hear otherwise. So many rewards from counter hits, including the moves that transition into grabs. His counters are satisfying while Steves aren't really any more satisfying than any other character's in my opinion.

[@olasumboope4928]

good to hear😉 as a king main. did they think removing CH b1 crumple stun for king would weaken his counter hitting credentials? admittedly he wouldve been a lot deadlier had they left it so. however steve's CH b1 connects into the soul. fall like a leaf.

[@Frizzy125]

You should also check out the grand finals of the tournament!

[@DiaboloMaster95]

21:39 i want king to knock me up

[@martyrofgrenth2136]

As someone who recently really started to play Steve seriously and look to main him, I was really upset that Numan lost :( It is what it is but man he had some crazy fights in this tournament!

[@tomlawyer7942]

a running gs or a running isw are discernible, 100%. It's still a mix but they are both reactable. Good players when fighting kings will not only check the hands but peripherally have a look at his legs. That's what gives it away. It takes practice though.

[@tomlawyer7942]

the input is always the same btw and it shares a specific distance it's fhcbfnfndf(df1). Basically dash twice after the fhcbf and it has to be buffered fully beside the df(df1) part during the animation of the previous move otherwise it's visible and king 'jitters' afterwards

[@PhiDX]

I've fought Jesandy for 3 years. It is not discernible if the king pilot is good enough. Wavedash iSW hides the leg telegraph

[@tomlawyer7942]

if you wavedash inbetween it's not a buffered running gs like the jon did in this game. You can mask 1 or the other. Running buffered gs masks the gs slope from crouch. wavedash buffered isw masks the running from isw but gs is still discernible. It's not a legit 50/50

[@manmaw_prod]

Seeing what an interesting kit king has makes me super stoked for ak

[@BakiSenshi]

I love this analysis videos.

[@jaygriff8268]

After watching this and yesterday. Phi u need to get in the lab bro dont let us down professionally please make sure your practicing

[@kenkiiiii]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@123nicanor]

That King gameplay was inspirational

[@briangibson1765]

you da man Phi!!!

[@drrdeezy]

Great vid as always phi

[@oyssartwaltz5022]

33:59 that's exactly King's nerf this patch.

[@bkaysibs6387]

Phi! Please breakdown speedkicks vs arslan ash. I know it’s not a particularly serious set but there’s a lot of stuff that I feel went over my head.

[@666slateran666]

More like Arslan a$$

[@belowaveragegamer8612]

Watching these strategy videos make me wonder if you should do an anti series. Letting people know the tricks and frame traps to watch out. I enjoy the in depth analysis but maybe too deep for others. King is a problem for sure.

[@umarshahid4809]

How about i setup your match with Jon, u play the king and he plays steve and we'll show you the advantages and disadvantages? Which character has the upper hand!

[@biandmc978]

Reading the title I was actually expecting violet to be featured!

[@n00bisenpai59]

What lever are do most of the pakistani prefer? Looks like both of them are using korean lever, what about the other players?

[@Ureallydontknow]

You could argue that Jon was also a Steve specialist by the way he got those reads.

[@HenryNesta-o5b]

There goes your counter punching paragon

[@artembochkarev6285]

Still dont understand why they gave gigas taunt armor to king and not to jack =/

[@deu5irae]

Jack just got a weaker version with Gamma Howl

[@konaPup]

👑

[@niah2209]

people keep saying instant sw is 10 frames, you have to count the last two forwards of the move as part of the startup frame as well, put you can't press the last forward with the grab. If you buffered the first forward, if you do the perfect sw, it's actually 14 frames startup. Normally i can only do it in 18 frames, so mixup would be with muscle buster, not isw

[@bapesta5277]

BRYAN IS THE COUNTER HIT CHARACTER

[@wesfiji8548]

Amazing King player. Phi talking like anyone can pick King and play like this. 😂 I'm willing to bet over 90% of T8 King players can't consistently execute a running GS or the sidestep combo finisher. Amazing gameplay from The Jon to be able to hang at high tournament level.

[@luke3707]

Literally how do you even land the sidestep full combo? I've heard it's tight down to a couple frames but I've never even gotten it once to get the feel for it.

[@aqueelkadri8371]

19:30 Yo shouldn't this be a bug If someone does a giant swing input then inputs a forward to dash, inputting df shouldn't make the game go, "Oh did you request a giant swing sir? One giant swing coming right up for you. We are extremely sorry we can't sprinkle in some blue sparks in there for ya"

[@ShadowTheHedgehogOffical]

This is the ultimate power!

[@liqqidsurgegaming2970]

I wish I could fine a high level Claudio main to do I could see what he looks like in pro hands.

[@adamyohan]

That was nuts.

[@AZAZEL_TK]

I liked your previous title “Boxer vs Wrestler”

[@idontwant2beasoldiermama241]

Would it be too broken to bring back Steve's Df+2 to its former glory?

[@alondjeckto]

Steve MIGHT become low-mid tier

[@MJfp6lx]

His heat is still 🗑️. Numan had to spend all heat resources just for a bit of pressure meanwhile King heat stuff does more than 70%

[@showtimefu1234]

they need to buff steves base damage and poking by like 5 and implement a way for us to go from LH to peekaboo

[@jetblaksuit]

Ali vs Inoki right here!

[@Ali_Yousif]

Phi he can just run and do the giant swing doesn't need to buffer anything

[@Lay_rue442]

I think Lee is a really good CH character too

[@kungfusion5906]

After the recent patch and nerves i think its safe to say that king is the best character in the game right now..

[@zazenbo]

I miss my wife

[@JLo安全]

Rip steve

[@jooyichen]

Simple solution to make future tournaments more exciting. Just bring in T-H-E Jon.

[@nandansingh6117]

How long does it take to think like you do about tekken?

[@adazium1909]

Do the titles change? This was named differently earlier today.

[@uncleiroh259]

PhiDX, you rooting for the Steve player during the video while explaining why king is such a quality character all suggests one thing… you need to drop Steve and Lilly and become a king main.

[@hamaratv2750]

Baaz organized great tournament in pakistan

[@ThePudgyLove]

Okazemi situation?

[@Mirikashh]

What a great title ;)

[@senibaj]

wow

[@val5062]

❤

[@dylanstracener9179]

Hey can anyone explain what the heck a Fuzzy Duck is? I thought Phi just didnt want to say the word fuck...

[@thebiggestdoof1]

🍀

[@tongpoo8985]

King, king, go away, come again another game.

[@666slateran666]

I can't wait for armored king

[@tongpoo8985]

@@666slateran666 I can't believe he's not season 1 DLC tbh. It seems like an insane decision financially not to put him in, but I feel like they might not cuz they gave a lot of his kit to king. Though that's what we said in tekken 7 as well so who knows.

[@ZetaRayZeke]

I’ve watched MMA my whole life and trained in it for a few years… the wrestler beats the boxer once he gets in. Lol. Prob like 7/10