Who is the Blackmagic URSA Cine 17k for?

Who is the Blackmagic URSA Cine 17k for? | NO ONE?

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@DrKartoffelsalat 8 ай бұрын

"If you have the budget to shoot IMAX you can rent the Arri 65"... well now you can do so on a lower budget. What's not to understand? Is that such a complicated idea? I'm baffled this is even a question. It follows the same idea EVERY other Blackmagic camera has followed ever since: make filmmaking more affordable without sacrificing too much quality. In this case, offer the option to shoot the 65mm look either waaaay cheaper through rental - or even open it up to owner-operators, since any other options are horrendously expensive and rental-only. Correct me if i'm wrong, but this will be the first 65mm digital cine camera you can actually BUY.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Very good points👍 If you can buy a Cine 17k for the price of just a few day's rental on an Alexa 65. Then the appeal of this camera makes sense.

@Frontigenics 8 ай бұрын

Correct. I don’t understand the point of the video either. If you want the “IMAX-look” on a medium budget… that’s what the camera for. Easy.

@ToddJasonFilms 8 ай бұрын

You're correct, the only camera with a 65mm sensor is the Alexa 65, and the Ursa Cine 17k 65 sensor is the first one you can actually buy, it puts digital IMAX in the hands of indie filmmakers. Which is insane to me.

@jerchongkong5387 2 ай бұрын

And, an Alexa 65 doesn't have the same theoretical resolution as a real IMAX frame, so I think this camera is worth taking a look at.

@raymondharrison-p2b Ай бұрын

I agree! Go Black Magic Design you're helping me make my cinematic dreams reality!

@JS_Leger 7 ай бұрын

It's not that hard to understand...it's for those who want the 65 format without the need to rent it...

@fr33dom_s4int 8 ай бұрын

Graham said who it’s for. It’s for filmmakers who want to shoot 65mm without going broke. It will disrupt the market, I hope.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

We will see!

@hhankx 8 ай бұрын

I’m not sure if you know this but Blackmagic makes production more accessible to everyone. Times are changing in the film world. Those who don’t pivot will be left behind

@matthewphillips5483 3 ай бұрын

I heard this same talk from RED fanboys back in 2007.

@jerchongkong5387 2 ай бұрын

@@matthewphillips5483 Well, in 2007, shooting in 4K with film quality at an affordable price compared to celluloid was a revolution, now shooting in 17K on 65mm in a IMAX quality is something that is not seen every day.

@champagnesocialist9301 8 ай бұрын

It’s for me and DPs like me: Feature film DPs who only work with Alexa, Red and Venice. We aren’t interested in resolution, we are interested in a look. 65mm is a look we want and we want Panavision, Hasselblad, Mamiya and Pentax lenses made for that system. I guarantee you will see this camera in every Panavision Rental around the world and most regular rental houses too.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Gotcha, that makes sense👍 It would be interesting to see Panavision glass on a $20k camera.

@champagnesocialist9301 8 ай бұрын

@@rpace watch any film shot on Red Komodo with Panavision Glass (Ferrari, Ambulance, Matrix 4, Red Notice just to name a few) and you’ll know what Panavision and a sub-$20K looks like. Watch Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning and you’ll see Panavision Glass on a $3000 camera

@donmcvey 8 ай бұрын

@@sulimankhan8322 Their test footage is on their site. I threw the 12k in a 4k TL and punched into a 1:1 crop. It's insane how far you travel in! The resolution/sharpness is definitely there - although I wouldn't be using that in the real world as you do start to notice the photo sites. To my eye, the colour looks great, amazing skin tones, very rich detail etc. Very, very interesting cameras!

@Frontigenics 8 ай бұрын

@@sulimankhan8322definitely. You can still get a relatively large-format look with Full-Frame and fast lenses. It’s just that, to a greater extent, with the Ursa 65

@Frontigenics 8 ай бұрын

@@rpace Same. But price doesn't magically make a camera. Arri's are also $10-20k cameras... they just sell them for $80k because they can.

@robertm3951 8 ай бұрын

I do not think many indies have access to IMAX screens. I still think it will be used for visual effects but not too many people bought the S35 12K until BMD dramatically dropped the price. We need to see the price before we can determine the demand.

@grantos 8 ай бұрын

It’s for me. Saving up as we speak. At around 20k what else has those specs? An imax camera or Alexa 65 is 90k to 100k plus plus. The biggest issue I see is with the glass. Luckily I’ve been collecting medium format vintage glass for years so my dreams are coming true.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Thats great! Your vintage lenses on that camera is going to be amazing🎥🎥

@Frontigenics 8 ай бұрын

Actually you can’t even buy an Alexa65… they’re rental ONLY. That’s what makes this camera so awesome!

@grantos 8 ай бұрын

You are correct regarding the Alexa65. And yes. It is very special. @@Frontigenics

@ToddJasonFilms 8 ай бұрын

@grantos I'm debating on saving for the 12k or 17k. I've been after the IMAX look on a lower budget, so I'm leaning more towards the 17k. I just bought a red 2 months ago cause I had a deal lined up for a full frame camera, but that fell through and I bought a komodo x. I should've waited lol. Maybe I rent out my red as an owner operator to pay for one of the ursa cines and glass for it.

@grantos 8 ай бұрын

That sounds like a great idea. Let your Red pay for your Ursa. 12k or 17k will get you an amazing look either way.@@ToddJasonFilms

@erosefilms 8 ай бұрын

They stated who they are aiming for. As a RED VRapter owner I do plan on getting it. It definitely will outperform the cameras mentioned in theory. If it performs as promised it will shake up the market .

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Wow, thats interesting! Are you keeping your V-raptor and adding the Cine 17k to your kit? Or jumping ship?

@erosefilms 8 ай бұрын

@@rpace I will keep it for now.

@erosefilms 8 ай бұрын

@@sulimankhan8322 that’s subjective but time will tell which is why I said “in theory”

@roscosart1888 8 ай бұрын

I don't think it will shake up anything, outperform in resolution only which we all know isn't everything.

@roscosart1888 8 ай бұрын

@@sulimankhan8322 in resolution yes, everything else NO!

@donmcvey 8 ай бұрын

I shoot TV commercials and 8k on a Raptor has become a 'standard' for many. Fast shoots, lower budgets, high expectations etc. FX guys want 'more'. If I offer up 17k they'll say yes. But the beauty of the RGB sensor is I can lower that res to say 9k (or less) for 90% of any shoot while getting a MF look, then go to full 17K for any major FX plates. Client can take a crap load of socials, banners, stills etc from that one plate! Makes sense on paper. Main limiting factor will be the cost of lens hire for someone like me. But I will 100% be looking at using this camera!!!

@joshuabaldassarre 8 ай бұрын

I think where the main market for this camera will be is rentals for lower budget projects that traditionally would be renting something like an Alexa mini or certain RED cameras. Would also be an excellent camera for universities to get their hands on to give students access to a much larger format than would normally be available.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Yes👍 or for longer shoots even being able to buy the camera for less than renting an Alexa

8 ай бұрын

I dream of making films, I would like to have my own camera and the editing and storage equipment that it requires. For an independent filmmaker who can afford it (I know a couple) it doesn't sound crazy to invest in a camera with those characteristics. It's just that you need the glasses, the computer, the monitors, the storage. It is as serious an investment as a house. But it's an investment I would make if I could afford it. Record a documentary at your own pace, a movie at your own pace... rent it for commercial work. Sounds good.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Good luck! keep pursuing your dream👍💪

@raymondharrisoncomposer 8 ай бұрын

The cine 17 is for my mini series and theatrical adventure westerns and I’m buying 4 12k for making my Gospel music videos! Thank you Black Magic Design I know why you made the cine 17k and 12k cine for my music videos and films!!!

@bluedeskfan2754 8 ай бұрын

I assume it's mostly to grab headlines and bait vloggers. With the outside chance it'll be used on some high-end production, which will give more kudos to their entire camera range.

@Creative_Grip 7 ай бұрын

These are all great comments. I can add and if I wanted to shoot an IMAX project I’ll take a $25K camera all day, everyday. As an indie filmmakers and an owner of several Blackmagic cameras, they have made it possible for people on small budgets to get in the game and pursue their dreams. I block out all the noise. All the people that can’t seem to understand that must have pretty deep pockets….lol

@rpace 7 ай бұрын

Hopefully the Cine 17 will allow filmmakers with lower budgets to film with the IMAX look (or distribute it to imax theaters) if they want to!

@raymondharrison-p2b Ай бұрын

I'm using the Ursa cine 12k & 17k for my upcoming Gospel music videos and indie features here in Nevada!

@ScreenFiends 8 ай бұрын

It's for any filmmaker who wants to shoot with it. Nuff said.

@brettalexander.studio 8 ай бұрын

Market disruption. They're proving What you can get at lowest price points.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

That's a good point👍 I think a big reason Red cam out with the Komodo is because of Blackmagic's URSA and Pockets.

@matthewphillips5483 3 ай бұрын

Be honest...if you could purchase an Alexa for the same price as a BM cam, you know you would go for the Alexa.

@SKYLIMI 8 ай бұрын

We want more IMAX doesn't have to be big budget movies, we don't want to watch movies in the dachshund format...

@stealthstar4 8 ай бұрын

Blackmagic is going to take over the industry at an affordable price some day. Arri, Panavision, and all those other overpriced giants will soon lose there overrated spot as the *go to* camera. Blackmagic has already took tons of Adobe clients, and they will do so in the future with Arri. I love Blackmagic because they think about all the little people first, and at the same time, they deliver great products.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

They definitely disrupted the industry with DaVinci Resolve! I switched from Premiere to resolve a few years ago and haven’t looked back👍

@Frontigenics 8 ай бұрын

Yep I’m one of them. I’ve ditched all Adobe besides photoshop. Once you work in Resolve for a while, Premier seems like a relic. Not to mention Fusion- where you can actually get Hollywood-Level keying.

@matthewphillips5483 3 ай бұрын

Arri is shaking in their boots. :D

@randomchannel323 2 ай бұрын

I think Arri supplies a lot of big hollywood productions with their gear though

@HelamanGile 24 күн бұрын

it's for me but I don't have the money lol

@rpace 24 күн бұрын

Haha, same! If I only had and extra 30k lol

@HelamanGile 24 күн бұрын

@rpace we don't need kidneys right? 😅

@rpace 23 күн бұрын

@HelamanGile 😂😂

@mcneilbelle 8 ай бұрын

people werent saying this about arri 65 im lost to why ppl aren't excited for this were gonna have access to imax quality

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

I think it’s because Blackmagic hasn’t significantly competed with the Alexa on larger feature work. But the Cine 17k might!

@sertocd 10 күн бұрын

17K doesn't meat my standards. I'll wait 64K cameras to come out.

@rpace 10 күн бұрын

@@sertocd 😂

@TereGenesis 8 ай бұрын

I think they're looking at the exhibition industry and seeing a spot they can force their way into. Movies that release in IMAX tend to do better than movies that don't these days. They seem more like events, something actually worth leaving your house to see. But, like you said, the Alexa 65 and traditional IMAX film cameras increase budgets exponentially, so mid-budget movies (ex: the original John Wick and Atomic Blonde for instance) could never afford them. But with the BM17K, they can now enter into the IMAX exhibition space and make some extra money at the box office. I don't know if this will actually happen, but I think that might be BlackMagic's thought process.

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Good thoughts! This makes the most sense to me. Time will tell if the Cine 17 is able to break into the market in a significant way.

@Finalfootagefilms 6 ай бұрын

Can't wait for URSA Cine Immersive

@DeanHarringtonimages 7 ай бұрын

Shooters in Western Nations & the US particularly do not see that the rest of the world's Cinematographers will gravitate to the new blackmagic 12k and 17k camera... to make movies. Out of that fabric most all major films will be shot on 65 mm and possibly higher film cameras.

@rpace 7 ай бұрын

That’s a good thought👍

@bam00j 7 ай бұрын

What's the price for the 17k please?

@rpace 7 ай бұрын

As far as I know Blackmagic has not released the price but I am estimating $20-25k.

@IanPhillipsWildlife 2 ай бұрын

@@rpace $29,995, £27,995... I'll not be buying one for now.

@hi.imgonner5813 Ай бұрын

will it work with my v60 128g? tough card?

@matthewaitkenfilms9477 8 ай бұрын

Hey! so resolution of this scale is mainly utilized in VFX scenarios and it is VERY useful there. Very muchly can see this in studio enviornments with it's crazy nice 10g immediate transfer to cloud storage functionalities. you cannot look at a piece of tech like this and not really focus on "ok, what are all these gimmicks going to be used for, who was asking for this" coz someone HAS TO be asking for it if dozens of R&D staff are gonna work on that feature and this thing has got gimmicks galore haha. Not something i'll ever need anytime soon that's for sure

@rpace 8 ай бұрын

Great insight👍 Thanks!