WHO KILLED WHO in Scream 2 (1997)

If you've ever wondered which Ghostface killed who in Scream 2 (1997), between Mickey and Mrs. Loomis, this video will offer a comprehensive deconstruction of the movie to provide all the clues left behind by the brilliant Wes Craven, and tell you which killer was behind the ghostface mask in each scene.
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What is up Scream team! You guys really enjoyed the first video we did for which killer was who in the original Scream, so as promised here is the same thing all over again for the sequel.
As always, I want to point out that this video is based on my own personal opinions, and nothing here is meant to be 100% factual. Having said that, Wes Craven (the brilliant horror director that he was) followed up the first Scream movie employing a similar laser sharp focus when it came to tiny little details. And I do believe that he lays out more than enough clues for keen observers to uncover the truth, including the mystery of the left handed killer and pivotal information that was left out in deleted scenes. This will give you the Scream 2 ending explained, to understand how the killers ended up setting the literal stage for the film's climax, and what happened with their Woodsboro Murders copycat motive that was seemingly abandoned half way through.
Fortunately when it comes to what you missed in Scream 2, I've done all of the work for you so you don't have to (thanks to my unhealthy obsession with the Scream franchise). So despite their identities being hidden by the ghostface mask, we can now know (at least to my findings) in which scenes the killer was Mrs. Loomis (Laurie Metcalf) and Mickey Altieri (Timothy Olyphant), which one of them made the phone calls, and who had the highest kill count.
If you have your own evidence you would like to provide that either corroborates, or negates my findings, I am more than happy to have you comment them down below.
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[@ZackCherry]

Hey Scream team, time to weigh in! When was ghostie Mickey and Mrs. Loomis throughout the movie?

[@HappyHalloween1978]

Can you do scream 3 as i watched it the other day and there is definitely two killers in this movie, i think Angelina is the 2nd Killer

[@HappyHalloween1978]

Your video was spot on who i thought was the killer at each crime scene and who was making the calls

[@kevin_ramirez2529]

I think your reasoning and explanation hit the nail on the hammer man!

[@Joker_JAK]

@@kevin_ramirez2529 "hit the nail on the hammer" lol.

[@kevin_ramirez2529]

Joker JAK I see the error of my ways. 😂

[@tudorjason]

The theory that Mrs. Loomis focused primarily on Gale and Mickey focused primarily on Sidney makes sense for the reasons you stated.

[@TPHoarder]

Never thought of it like that until this video.

[@laylafielding3426]

He makes everything make more sense

[@violentpuncher]

I need someone to explain this to me. As Zach said in the video “since this one isn’t holding a phone this is out first clue that there’s more than 1 killer in this movie” so yes that gave us a clue there was more than 1 killer. So as cici’s friend says “don’t forget to set the alarm” right before she left. Then cici said “hello Ted” and the killer on the phone replied “you wish it was ted, don’t forget to set the alarm” how did the killer on the phone knew what cici’s friend say if the caller was outside? And Mickey is definitely the one who ran into the house, so how did mrs loomis knew that cici’s friend said to her “don’t forget to set the alarm”? It just doesn’t make sense to me, or I can just be stupid.

[@_victaris_8581]

@@violentpuncher He said in the video that Mrs. Loomis was probably standing outside within earshot of the door/window. So they both probably heard her say that as her friend was getting ready to leave.

[@violentpuncher]

_ Victaris _ ohhhh, cuz the phone wasn’t hung up it was still on so mrs loomis probably heard it through the phone.

[@zuzek96]

I've always been amazed that this movie was released less than a year after the original and is SO smart and scary. Kudos to Wes and Kevin for their brilliance.

[@gabbielogan9271]

I wish they had more time tho, it would've been more thought out if they didn't rush/get rushed into things.

[@zuzek96]

@@gabbielogan9271 i can't imagine it being any better

[@willwalker6894]

Scream 2 is the best in the series.

[@kanemccarthy1979]

@@willwalker6894 it's definitely not better than the original

[@kg7219]

@@willwalker6894 no dude it became the very thing that the original film satirized lmao the sequel is so bad it made me wish I had stopped after the first one

[@HeroVillan5]

It naturally make sense for Mickey to be the killer in most of the scenes as he was doing it for the thrill andn the fame where is mrs. Loomis just wanted revenge and the targets for her were the original survivors.

[@ElvenRaptor]

And as a younger, more fit person, he can take the punishment better should any of their victims fight back.

[@glx3846]

Do you think Phil was an aquantence of Mickey?

[@HeroVillan5]

@@glx3846 unlikely, probably just had the right name with Maureen. Was able to kill two birds with one stone.

[@nwo2cool]

Most people failed to notice that the killer mostly kills with his left hand, and which character is left-handed? Mickey. He did most of the killings, and Mrs. Loomis only killed Randy.

[@realcritical-kr2dd]

@@nwo2cool I'm also left handed so it could possibly been me 😈

[@biggsg1934]

I know this is a minority opinion, but I actually love the cafeteria scene. I love how sincere Derek is in it, and the fact is that that scene proves that Derek was such a good guy, there was no chance he was the killer. Yeah, I know in the original script that Derek was one of the killers, but the fact he was willing to publicly humiliate himself to show his love for Sidney proved he was the opposite of Billy in every way. Billy was always trying to pressure Sidney into sleeping with him, their relationship was selfish, whereas Derek was selfless. It made Mickey's manipulation of Sid into thinking Derek was his partner all the more heartbreaking.

[@cheeseisherelive753]

Same 😔 and the way they killed him is so sad...

[@INTJ91]

I also love that scene. It's cheesy, but provides a bit of light relief

[@chadlewis5379]

That scene got a genuine smile from me. I thought it was a nice moment. Was surprised to find out later that people don't like it.

[@bubba8751]

@@chadlewis5379 why don’t ppl like it ,

[@Skooter-ko1yj]

@@bubba8751 cause they think it’s cheesy and annoying I personally like it too but my gf doesnt and that’s her reasoning

[@dakotagagliano1896]

I think Micky told Ms.Loomis how to get under Randy's skin with her line right before she kills him "You'll never get the girl". At the end of the film class scene Randy tells the whole class, including Micky, that if he made a movie the nerd would get the girl. Just a possibility.

[@ZackCherry]

Oooh nice catch!

[@accio_firewhiskey8256]

Oooh yes! New headcanon

[@stephenlasher9346]

That’s a super good catch but I’m delusional and think that Stu told them 😂💀

[@TheGreekPianist]

Billy’s mom was just as crazy as he was, like Sydney said. Instead of being horrified that her own son was a serial killer, she totally condoned and enabled what he did by “getting revenge” on the survivors and victims - who had no choice but to fight for their lives! This is yet again another AMAZING video, by the way man! You’re so clever and a true mystery solver! You’d be great in the writing industry! I can’t get enough of your phenomenal analyzations! Keep it up! 😁👊

[@popunderrated]

Is there anyone in existence who doesn’t think that the Gale chase scene in Scream 2 isn’t the absolute best in the franchise. We need more extended chase scenes like that. Scream 4 could have done this in the barn scene when Gale gets stabbed - had her run out the barn and be chased through the tall grass or something...

[@ZackCherry]

💯

[@ShadowFox746]

I think one thing that makes that scene so chilling is that it happens RIGHT AFTER we see Dewey get the glass painted with his blood. That scene is just flooded with hopelessness and dread.

[@kylepedley7328]

It also helps that it is then immediately followed by an equally tense and brilliant scene in the car crash and Sidney climbing over unconscious ghostface. The final 45 minutes or so of Scream 2 is, for me, the peak of the series.

[@devinpeirce7152]

There’s one similiar chase scene like that in halloween kills

[@ericseventeen17]

That and the scene with Drew Barrymore are the best scenes in the franchise!

[@brandoncardona2843]

I agree with everything except with one thing. The Ghostface at the rehearsal of Cassandra I don't think it was either Mickey or Mrs. Loomis. It was too public and dangerous. I am pretty sure it was some PTSD hallucination by Sydney. Wouldn't be far fetched, seeing how in Scream 3 she has delusions and hallucinations.

[@Cadillac19]

No. It was Mickey.

[@cassiehartleyy8849]

@@Cadillac19how do u know?

[@Cadillac19]

@@cassiehartleyy8849 Yes. I do know.

[@kaylapounds1359]

It was also public and dangerous for Ghostface to be in public during the lockdown curfew in Scream 1, yet he is very clearly seen around the town.

[@Ranga3595]

​@Kvz1020 mate they asked HOW do you know

[@Resiidentevils]

Can't wait to see who killed who in Scream 3! ... Oh... Wait.

[@ActionJackson1982]

Haha, true. He could always pretend there was 2 which was the original plan. That short haired girl was meant to be the 2nd killer

[@sewagewater9099]

Action Jackson Angelina ?

[@yt-muffin0684]

Rodiqn is it just rowan the killer

[@ActionJackson1982]

Very Spicy Soup yeah I believe thats her name

[@yt-muffin0684]

Rafał Sz. 🤣 thanks

[@mattiemartin5971]

Randy's death really hit me the most. It was the saddest death in the Scream franchise in my opinion. 😭 💔

[@leoonopowicz8319]

I agree. He was Cool character on Scream

[@Unknown-uu7bv]

Nah olivia from scream 4 was the worst

[@CeeDeeprodz15]

@@Unknown-uu7bvnah nobody liked her she had like 10 minutes of screen time

[@movieandtheatrelover5587]

And the way sidney reacted when she found out randy died is exactly I felt when I lost a lifelong friend. She wasn't murdered fortunately but she died suddenly and unexpectedly

[@ActionJackson1982]

I’m new here but man you are so good, I never even noticed the left hand right hand thing, same with Billy and Stu

[@ZackCherry]

Can't say I was the one to originally take note, but thank you and welcome to the channel 😊

[@anwartalia812]

Wouldn't the passenger side mirror still show her using her right hand when killing Randy? That's what it looked like to me, which still makes sense since she was right handed.

[@orifeldman3213]

@@anwartalia812 it's the left hand, mirror shows in the opposite direction

[@danielbanks5776]

fun fact: did you know Matthew Lillard was actually on set on scream 2 he actually showed up on scream 2 to see old cast members then Wes craven gave him a background role as one of the party members when Sidney goes to the sorority house for the party and randy gives Sid and her Friends cocktails you can see Matthew in the background and saying "hey man" he has blonde hair. And this could be a hint that Wes craven is saying that Stu is still alive

[@freshparkfilms]

Ya cuz u never see him get finished off like Billy. He could've survived his injuries

[@collinbearbrand7592]

Apparently that’s stus twin brother

[@silobobus3268]

@@collinbearbrand7592 no it was shaggy

[@23louuu]

Clay Face he got a tv dropped on his head haha he’s definitely dead

[@freshparkfilms]

I had a big screen fall on my head and im alive and kicking

[@jakebondy7270]

It makes sense that Mickey was behind the mask most of the time. In one of the very early drafts I read that had Derek and Hallie as killers, it was revealed that she, while not necessarily being a killer, financed the two of them. So her role was primarily as the producer of this whole thing.

[@ZackCherry]

So glad they changed that script

[@MrHorror93700]

​@@ZackCherry They never changed the actual Script of Scream 2

[@bubba8751]

That would make no sense , I hate when movies just wants suprises so they just deside to give the killer to someone that makes no sense . Ex Roman he was so random and all the other ones when the ghost faces were replaced we already kinda knew the motive and like oh wow that’s makes sense as why they are the killer

[@KaylahParker06]

@@bubba8751Roman wasn’t really random. The storyline made sense, people just hate retcons.

[@lucario2able]

​@bubba8751 agreed except the Roman part. It's a surprise twist. Nobody was supposed to see it coming but when he info dumped it makes sense.

[@steverbeaver1147]

The scene where ghostface appears during Sydney's rehearsal I thought was just figment of her ptsd brought on by all the ppl in masks

[@amandamorgan8349]

Same bc someone shoulda seen him run

[@themarkiscookin]

He was there you can see him slink off

[@JGrantUK]

You can hear his footsteps, too. It's real.

[@worldwidegameboy56]

Bruhhh saaame I knew I couldn’t have been the only one😂😂😂😂😭

[@goddessofdesire]

It always bugged me that apparently no one else saw a pretty drastic different mask ... don’t Even get me started on the fact that they should’ve known that there’s one person too much in the group. (You would think that They know how many students are in the group)

[@bireland2012]

Timothy Olyphant looks alot like Jack Nicholson with that creepy smile.

[@adamazri928]

I started to question my sexuality because of him back then when I was a kid lol. He's a pretty hot psychopath 🤣🤣🤣

[@dilloncrowder8941]

I think it would have been perfect if Halle and Mickey would have been with Dewey, Gale, and Randy during the phone call scene before Randy is killed. That would have been a perfect way to get Mickey in one more scene and take suspicion off him.

[@BeingScared]

Outstanding video

[@Facelessman254]

There's still one thing left unanswered tho... During the phone call scene of Casey Cooper she hears a noise upstairs. She goes to look and then hears another loud noise up there which scares her to run outside the front door.. Now if Mickey and Mrs Loomis are outside then who was upstairs? It can't have been her friend as she came out of a downstairs room and there can't be anyone left upstairs as Heck when CI CI is being chased up there she's screaming and throwing stuff at ghostface making a lot of noise but nobody comes out to look. My theory is that Mickey climbed up through a top window under Mrs Loomis orders and and made the noise to scare her into opening the front door possibly and then Mrs Loomis comes through the front door and chased her upstairs towards Mickey who is waiting somewhere at the top of the stairs. I noticed when CICI was running up the stairs the killer was right behind her yet when she gets to the top and runs down the hall way the killer is a lot further behind so I'm assuming Mrs Loomis got to the top of the stairs and signalled Mickey to finish her off as one CI CI is not on her list of people to kill and two Mickey is a lot stronger too

[@thetrendsetter4438]

@@Facelessman254 Roman

[@witz396]

You fell off + ratio

[@sardonyx1486]

It is possible that one (or both, though highly unlikely) of the killers were ambidextrous. Also it was totally Mrs. Loomis who killed Randy, and that was not entirely planned because of the abruptness of Randy's taunts at Billy. I'm not sure if they had planned on killing anyone in that phone call because they were all grouped together in the park in broad daylight with many people around, so it seems unlikely they planned to separate the group and go after one random person, not knowing who would be left alone. That would be Jigsaw level pre-planning :3 I believe this caused a rift in their original copycat plan and it wasn't planned to be deviated from. Mickey was faking being knocked out in the car to set up Hallie's death, knowing Sidney would leave first. He could have attacked her in the car when Hallie was climbing over, allowing Sidney to escape in fear, but he held back knowing they would either run away and allow him a quick getaway or he could protect himself by attacking whoever tried to unmask him prematurely. He didn't have to climb over a wall, he could have ran around the side of the pallets; the killers have been totally known to be uber fast. I really believe that Mickey did 98% of the killings and Mrs. Loomis really only killed Randy out of sudden anger; Mickey wanted the fame for the killings knowing that everything would lead back to him and no one would suspect a second killer, and Mrs. Loomis gets away clean having covered her tracks after having killed who she intended to kill and framing Mickey for EVERYTHING after having killed him and set him up.

[@bennyfaziocriminalmastermind]

She says that she killed Randy because he was talking shit about Billy

[@lucario2able]

I don't know about the faking being knocked out tbh. Tjat injury to his head looked really bad like he 1000% passed out. Even just for a minute or 2.

[@SxtxnicPxnic80]

Billy: Sid now don't blame the movies! Movies don't create serial killers movies just make serial killers more creative! Mickey: Hold my camera

[@irvinalexanderflores]

Man Billy would have hated Mickey

[@totterdell]

Billy and Mickey are the two best Ghostface killers

[@TheRealest127]

I thought it was a touch of genius how we never even noticed that Sidney and Mrs. Loomis were never in a scene together until The end of the movie. She avoided Sidney throughout because Sidney would’ve recognized her. Genius.

[@invadertifxiii]

i really thought the dress rehearsal was a hallucination

[@ezekielspates5677]

me too

[@jackkrauss]

I initially thought that but you can see him run off at the end.

[@robbiekoziol3144]

i miss randy....he should be alive.....i know randy fans are out there !

[@user.7710]

i was watching some clips of the first three movies earlier. i got to the scene from 3 where Randy’s sister showed them the tape of him explaining the rules of a trilogy. something Martha said got me thinking. the way she greeted them makes me think her family has gotten really close with Dewey. she didn’t recognize Sidney after not seeing her for years. i have a theory that Dewey partly blames himself for Randy’s death, and visits his family often because he feels bad. hopefully this can be revealed as canon in the new movie. i think it would add to Dewey’s character.

[@rosiela0235]

@@user.7710 I believe it was randy whi referred to Dewey in the second movie as his and syd's "surrogate big brother" due to his sister Tatums death in the first movie. It could be that Dewey couldn't stand the thought of losing another sibling and began subconsciously leaning on his family to share the pain

[@kinginexile7139]

We sure are bro, I really missed him in Scream 5.

[@jefferyjr.939]

I hate how everyone loves Mrs. Loomis for it

[@poltblissofficial8336]

I was legitly looking for this after the scream one who's who breakdown. Can't wait to see scream 4 who's who breakdown.

[@marcogallina3904]

what about scream 3... wait. Nevermind

[@TPHoarder]

@@marcogallina3904 I like Scream 3 but it is easily the weakest movie of them all.

[@bryannugent5860]

Scream 3 does have one of my favorite lines. "Final cut" "already got it" is it wrong that I laugh everytime I hear it

[@tonynavarro3193]

Bryan nugent I believe the line is "I already have it" this is film theory right?

[@armouredjester1622]

I didn't notice during the dress rehearsal that Mickey actually runs off stage right. I honestly thought Sidney was hallucinating.

[@justsomerando7957]

Me too!

[@whambulance8607]

Ghostface pairs are split into two roles: the mastermind and the brute. The mastermind handles the phone calls and generally plans out the killings. The brute does the majority of the heavy lifting in the killings. Typically, the roles have different motives and the mastermind often betrays the brute.

[@mikecampbell411]

I always assumed it was Mrs. Loomis in the bathroom killing Phil. I remember renting this on VHS when it first came out, and the closed captioning specifically showed the killer saying the word "mommy." But, you're reasoning on why the bulk of the murders were done by Mickey makes the most sense. Something else that you didn't touch on. Mickey could have stooged off to Derek's frat bros about him giving Sid his letters, and encouraging them to string him up in the auditorium to help him set up his big reveal.

[@richardhernandez4490]

I thought Mrs. Loomis did the first kill myself. But Maureen was killed by Mickey.

[@alexquinonez8443]

High pitch voice the killer has in the bathroom stall even sounds like mickey

[@cameronellington96]

I recently watched a video that explains that Mickey actually continued the copycat idea he started. The two officers that watched Sidney represent Principal Himbry, with them being a male figure that tries to protect Sidney in some way. Hallie represents Tatum by being Sid's best friend. Kind of blew my mind when I heard it because it makes sense.

[@ShonaSixx96]

In this one, when Randy was murdered we know it's Mrs Loomis. She confesses to it when confronting Sidney after revealing herself. She says: 'Randy spoke poorly of Billy so I got a little knife happy' Love these videos as always♥️

[@PsychoKillertheGame]

That is wrong and only an idiot would fall for that. It was a mans shoes walking away. The voice on the phone was debbie. The "i got a little knife happy" refers to her difecting Mickey.

[@FLOODEDxOUT]

​@@PsychoKillertheGame Right, to me it doesn't make any sense that her old ass beats him when they tussle around in the van. Feels like only Mickey would be able to do that because he actually looks stronger than Randy

[@PsychoKillertheGame]

@@FLOODEDxOUT of course..the idiots who buy it are...well idiots

[@j04370859]

Sonnybear7 You serious? People always think it's ridiculous when a woman overpowers a man, plus she wasn't that old and Randy was weak.

[@FLOODEDxOUT]

@@j04370859 Bruh, have you ever had a average sized woman try and stop you from doing anything 😂 they’re not stronger than us because it’s called genetics. The only reason that we think Randy is weak because of this scene 😂 if this scene was realistic Randy isn’t getting manhandled by some old hag like he’s made out of paper and that’s just facts. Movies have been distorting your reality.

[@Jonathanmlfltr]

Wow, great job, Zack! I'm 100% sold on this whole theory! Mrs.Loomis may only have commited one murder, but she managed to be smart and competent enough to make sure Mickey would be blamed for it as well and she would get away with all of it. Must be quite hard for a female to murder a male with her "wrong" hand!

[@dubbzvspaul1175]

Just found out about your channel, fun fact they filmed "Scream 4" next door to my house and they used my backyard to hold the equipment and Kraft services it was just a 2day shoot and after they insured my house for $1 million in case of an emergency and after signing tons of paperwork I was paid nicely for the 2day shoot and I met David, Wes

[@ZackCherry]

That's awesome! I love that for you.

[@mabryontay2774]

Stop that lying and 🧢 for some likes🤦

[@arthurrose1514]

I agree that it was Mickey most of the time because Mrs Loomis only wanted to kill those who are responsible about Billy's death, and I've never thought about the idea of Randy dying instead of gale again you blow my mind with new ideas, great video ❤

[@nateskeans9209]

YES! finally someone agrees with me about Mickey killing Cici, there’s no way Mrs. Loomis is strong enough to throw her through a window then toss her over a balcony.

[@raselahmed1503]

There were female grunts for me it's Ms Loomis but I have other reasons why it's Ms loomis

[@horrormovie_history]

But she casually yoinks a grown ass man into a van and then proceeds to overpower him

[@movieandtheatrelover5587]

​@raselahmed1503 uh no I disagree. How could a woman lift cici up like that and hurl her over the balcony? Sorry but i dont agree with you there it's totally mickey that did it

[@Xehanort10]

I think Mickey started out wanting to kill people with similar names to the Woodsboro victims but after he killed Cici Mrs Loomis probably convinced him that he could top Billy and Stu's murders by killing Sidney, Dewey, Gale and Randy. Obviously Loomis ended up killing Randy herself after he insulted Billy.

[@glx3846]

Mickey was planning on betraying his friends anyway. He was a psychopath

[@Cadillac19]

@@glx3846 psychotic*

[@austin-tyler5229]

He didn’t kill Cici this is obvious people.

[@CarlosEduardo-qt7cd]

@@austin-tyler5229 and because it is obvious that it was mrs. Loomis? no travels, mickey had several reasons to kill cici and he was recreating woordboro nancy had no reason to kill cici cooper and he didn't even want to!

[@GhostFace1301]

Amazing video! Mickey is my favourite killer of all the movies even though he was underused for a lot of the movie. The Timothy Olyphant idea outside the theatre would have been soooo good. As for how Mr’s Loomis got from the projection to behind Gale within 20 seconds with no noise is that the movie pays tribute to the cinematographic suspense and unrealistic superiority of the killer. Basically explains Hallie’s death as well. I quoted that from an article which is quite known for its sexist view on who killed who, basically giving it all to Mickey... I’m only saying where it’s from because last time I mentioned it in a debate on Instagram on who killed who with a person I quoted it and they recognised it from that article and blasted me for being a sexist. Anyway can’t wait for scream 4’s!

[@MonsterKiller1612]

I agree with you, Mickey has done most of the work as ghostface (in costume). I never got why people said Mrs. Loomis killed Phil or Maureen.

[@Braylon1997]

No Billy and Stu killed Maureen. Ms. Loomis wanted to kill Sidney because her ex husband had an affair with her mother.

[@MonsterKiller1612]

@@Braylon1997 my guy this is about scream 2 not about the first

[@Braylon1997]

404notfound i know that but I’m just saying the ppl that said are incorrect

[@MonsterKiller1612]

@@Braylon1997 i hope you know that the characters in scream 2 are also called steve and maureen

[@Braylon1997]

404notfound ahh my bad I’m used to Sidney’s mom not the character Jada Pinkett played

[@SamR1995]

I’d love to see an alternate take of who killed who had Hallie been the killer. I think the film would have been better had she actually ended up being the second killer with Mrs Loomis still being the mastermind and killing Randy (or Randy staying alive haha).

[@steveshams4690]

I really love these videos and the detailed explanation. Can't wait for Scream 4. Can you also do Scream TV Series Season 1 and 2? They're genuinely fun to watch.

[@xcedtrickx]

There is only 1 killer in season 2...

[@SuperMarioTrevor]

@@xcedtrickx yeah

[@Blast2224]

You can definitely tell it was Mrs. Loomis who covered the attack on Dewey and Gale. Mickey might have been up there in the projector room, but that’s definitely Loomis trying to jump Gale. There’s a desperation in Ghostface’s lunges; jumping with both hands down, angrily flailing when Gale blocks the door, and hurling objects in an attempt to break the window. Mrs. Loomis eventually learned she had to lure Gale as Debbie Salt, which was why she said “Two birds, one stone” when Mickey shoots her. It was never her plan to have Gale in the theater. She was meant to die with Dewey.

[@mattDettling]

Am I the only one who likes the cafeteria scene...

[@bswerves12]

You’re not alone bro

[@1brunonomore]

I didnt like the scene in Top Gun (and I like Top Gun), so its not different here 😂

[@leonzaduncan2438]

me too

[@j04370859]

It was intentionally meant to be cheesy, but it felt out of place being in a Horror movie, I didn't mind it though.

[@carmenh2168]

Me and my younger sister used to break down who was the killer in each scene all the time when we watched these movies together. You made very strong/great points that I didn’t necessarily catch onto when I was a bit younger, but I really loved this! It couldn’t have been broken down better. Also, my poor Randy🥺 Genuinely loved his character.

[@raselahmed1503]

Cici's killer was Ms loomis and Sidney's first attack is also Ms loomis. Mickey would not risk going back the the house and ms loomis has a better chance at attacking her and a reason why Ms loomis killed cici is because after swiping her knife, blood still remains and the knife in Sidney's attack that was stuck in the door also has blood so it's just a clear giveaway that Cici's and Sidney's attackers are by Ms loomis and simply just hearing her women grunts

[@danteayala-vt5fz]

It has to be mickey cause mrs Loomis can't lift civil we know that duh

[@sgillman16]

I think the whole idea of them doing the 3 copycat killings was to shift blame onto one of the survivors on campus (Gale, Dewey, Randy)

[@JesusHatake]

i thought it would have been perfect for the cameraman to be the killer. they set it up right from the start by saying blacks are under represented in horror movies then later dewie says serial killers are white males. Also when gale and dewie are looking at the footage made by the killer they could have made it so the camera man used gales camera to stalk the victims which explains why the footage is with all of gales other footage

[@radlee974]

The first part of your comment was all in there because that’s when Hallie was still the killer. Still, you make a good point.

[@stephanielane3165]

Billy dont tell mommy what you did...... i didnt know thats what he was saying i thought he was saying mommy... mommy lol

[@timothyspeight9227]

Where did you find this deleted footage? It's gold. My dvd has hardly any special features.

[@ZackCherry]

It's on the dimension collector's edition dvd that is included in the ultimate trilogy box set

[@justmisterp]

I love these breakdowns of Scream. Would you be doing the MTV series Scream as well? That would be dope.

[@MeandMumzyReacts]

Be nice to know about his plan of action and also who killed him in the toilets in the prision as it was left open. Still can so character ranks but the first 2 seires was really good

[@jamespope7669]

@@MeandMumzyReacts Kevin Duval killed Kieran Wilcox

[@MeandMumzyReacts]

@@jamespope7669 I thought that, him standing at the graveyard was that the sign he done it.? I thought noah was one of the best characters especially to relate to

[@candellathecandle1787]

Dante Ferraro I don’t think Piper killed Nina. In season 2 doesnt Audrey say that Piper was with her the night that Nina died. :P

[@wendellignatin1228]

When Mickey puts a bullet through Derek's heart it is the second most cold blooded kill in the series. He was tied up. Helpless. And he just executed him. The only thing worse is in 4 when Jill castrated Trevor and then finished him off with the bullet to the head. That takes the prize!

[@Xehanort10]

And Mickey sadistically uses Sidney's fear and paranoia that Derek might be a killer like Billy was to stop Sidney from untying Derek giving Mickey enough time to shoot and kill him.

[@wendellignatin1228]

yeah. I thought maybe Derek and Mickey were in it together.

[@wendellignatin1228]

good point there.

[@wendellignatin1228]

He is a psychopath. Yes.

[@danwalsh3755]

If you can make sense out of scream 4 where both the actors who were the killers were short, and the guy in the killer costume was tall, you're a genius. eagerly awaiting that video!

[@jennifermoriarty2188]

They wore heels

[@robertcliff3197]

Zach: Great vid as always. And as always lately you've put new thoughts in my head in a couple areas but mostly we're on the exact same wavelength! 1. I never thought about Mickey maybe IN PERSON giving Phil the tickets. I always figured I knew they were likely a set up but I just thought somehow he had them mailed out. 2. I've always figured it was both Mickey and Mrs. Loomis in the bathroom because You notice the definite height difference plus I've always noticed the shorter Ghostface didn't really turn around THAT much when Phil entered the bathroom because she didn't want him to notice she DEFINITELY wasn't peeing. Plus Mickey wouldn't have pissed at the urinal next to someone else then ran into the stall and stab Phil. And I always figured it Was Mrs. Loomis that whispered the Mommy line to lure Phil because well, its clearly more than likely a woman's voice plus its a nod/hint on rewatches that its the mother & Mrs. Loomis is like when Mrs. Vorhees does Jason's voice and goes "Mommy". 3. Mickey obviously killed both Phil & Maureen for the reasons you had. 4. Cici: yes: Mrs. Loomis is the caller. I've always said on rewatches that there's some arguments that maybe, MAYBE Mrs. Loomis could have done this one although I'm 95% sure its Mickey too. If you look, the killer struggles a bit picking her up (like you said SMG/Buffy ain't no weakling so maybe even Mickey would struggle some). And I always feel I see some slight hesitation in the stabs as if the killer is trying to be precisely accurate with the stabs using the left hand when they're "NOT" left-handed. Plus her friend on the phone taunts her with the "Kill, kill, kill, kill, mom, mom, mommy" so maybe that's another nod/hint. Again Mostly positive it was Mickey; those are just my thoughts even though those who really pay attention know as you said Mrs. Loomis didn't WANT to kill anyone outside of Sid and Gale so killing anyone else would have been dumb. 5. Mrs. Loomis called Sid; it was personal with the "remember me". I've always thought it was her attacking her too because the killer looks short and is clumsy (given that its a chase scene). Sid is string, don't get me wrong, but she easily dodges Ghostface. Mickey I think could have done a better job looking competent. Ghosface just looks eratic. 6. Observation: Yes: I think Mrs. Loomis made all the calls too and here's something that just popped in my head as a small nod to it: She's a mid-40s woman; likely doesn't like/know scary movies and although a lot of it may be due to all the changes they had to make, the phone calls made no movie references (Randy aside). 7.I agree on everything else: Mrs. Loomis killed Randy (bitch lol) that was her in the university film rooms and Mickey obviously tailed Sidney. Great one again!

[@ZackCherry]

Thank you Robert

[@robertcliff3197]

@@ZackCherry Anytime!

[@ltaylor8560]

Cant wait for scream 4 one of these also congrats on getting closer to 10k

[@ZackCherry]

Thank you 😊 can't wait to do that video!

[@dylanjamieson4300]

Amazing analysis Zack. I'm in the camp that anything to do with attacks on Sidney or Gale were Mrs. Loomis, as she only wanted revenge on those two. Like the attack in the sorority house, was Mrs Loomis because the Ghosface seemed slightly shorter and a tad clumsy due to being overzelous. Randy's attack and murder still annoy me greatly as he was the best character of the franchise, as I saw myself in him. As for the fact about Mrs Loomis' name being Nancy, I never knew that. I always just presumed it was Debbie as Mickey says: "tuition's expensive. Deb there, was my backer" or something along those lines. Can't wait for Scream 4 EDIT: And with Phil hearing a feminine voice, in the bathroom, I've come to the conclusion that both are in that stall. Mrs Loomis crouched out of sight or on the seat while Mickey's in front of her. And after Mickey steals Phil's jacket, she goes out to the car to be the get away driver

[@robertcliff3197]

I agree bud! I always figured Mrs. Loomis was the voice and maybe she was at the door. Maybe both WERE in the stall.

[@shawnmotley1898]

I believe it was Mickey who attacked Sidney at the party. He commented on how Derek shouldn't have tried to play hero. Plus, Mickey was into the horror films and sequels. Mickey also killed the detectives and Hallie and attacked Sidney as indicated by his scar from the car crash. Mra. Loomis was into straight up revenge on Sidney. When she shot Mickey, she even commented she was into that stuff and called Mickey insane for it. No, I think she only killed Randy.

[@robertcliff3197]

I'm not doubting the possibility it could have been Mickey at the party but it probably was not too hard to have heard what happened to Derek so he could have been anyone making that comment; it just HAPPENED to be him. That's just always been my opinion on that.

[@TwinSnakes89]

17:23 I have never noticed you can see the killers eyes in the mask before. I assume its not Timothy Olyphant but an stunt performer. This is where I go through each Ghostface scene frame by frame to see if we can spot the eyes XD

[@dante4ever563]

Makes ghostface more scarier if we can see what's going on behind the mask

[@StarKushExoticGalaxy]

@@dante4ever563 Ghostface is me!!!

[@themarkiscookin]

If you look at randy's hand when they open the van he has a lipstick mark on it

[@MUFC-e4p]

I noticed that 👌

[@eacleversley7868]

@@MUFC-e4p I watched this movie before, and I've noticed before

[@thatpianoplayer9101]

Scream 5 ?

[@jameshelsing7254]

Wes casting the fine British actor David Warner as Sidney's theatre director was a classy touch. Such a great actor.

[@leonzaduncan2438]

Also played in The Omen

[@richardhernandez4490]

@@leonzaduncan2438 And he was in Titanic. He was the right hand man of Cal Hockley.

[@sewagewater9099]

I randomly found this channel one day and since I'm a horror geek as well, I really enjoy your videos. You earned yourself a new subscriber.

[@ZackCherry]

Thank you 😊

[@rash1990ful]

I agree with your list that all victims were killed by Mickey except Randy (who was killed by Mrs Loomis). Except one thing: Sidney's first attack after Cici's murder was Mrs Loomis in terms of both the caller and attacker. Notice the killer in that scene looks significantly shorter and smaller than the one who killed Phil, Maureen, and Cici. Plus is more clumsy as he/she easily falls over a chair, as seen in the final act when Mrs Loomis was chasing Sidney around and tripping over easily at times. If it had been Mickey, he would have given himself away as he was with Randy and Hallie and the time and they would've gotten suspicious if Mickey disappeared out of nowhere. Not to mention if it were Mickey behind the mask, he wouldn't have hesitated to kill Derek when running into him.

[@marcusmcgill4423]

Well to be honest. The original stunt guy that was Ghostface in the first film, part 2, and part 4 didn't film the kill of Cici. It was stuntman Chris Durand who also was Michael Myers in Halloween: H20. He stood in that day for that scene in place of the original guy who is in the costume for the rest of the movie.

[@tayloranderson7547]

I agree with your list that all victims were killed by mickey expect Randy who was killed by Ms Louis). Especially one thing Sydney first attacked after cici's murder was Miss gloom in terms of both the caller and acttacker. Noice killler in that sense that Looks sin tally

[@raselahmed1503]

There is one evidence why the killer in the sorority and the lamba house is the same killer, Just notice the bloody knife after cici's death and when the knife got hit on the door. This is a great giveaway that the killer who killed Cici is Ms Loomis 100% if you believe that Sidney's attacker in the house is Ms loomis

[@mabryontay2774]

Finally someone else agrees that Mrs Loomis was the one that attacked Sydney in that house😂 its frustrating when people saying it's Mickey when u can clearly hear female grunts throughout the chase and like u said the body size is much smaller

[@user-fb4sb1zi8g]

Your videos are great! You should do a "Rarely known facts" about each Scream film.

[@christopherdunn4066]

Freaking awesome! I never thought about Mrs. Loomis killing Randy with her left hand to make sure authorities do not get a wind that 2 killers were involved.

[@_Ghostyface]

Excellent video. This us my second watch. I'm getting ready to rewatch all 3 original films and from what I remember this makes sense in context with the film. I remember being so satisfied when Mickey unmasked because i suspected him...especially after that deleted scene from earlier. Awesome work Zack!

[@gingeralereads]

This video is great! I do really wish now I could see all the extra bits that didn’t make it in the movie or as deleted scenes as this is probably my favorite movie series ever.

[@mfrost228]

Sidney knew Mrs Loomis at the end, even though it took a minute to register, with her new look and weight loss. But how did she roam around campus for weeks seemingly without running into Sidney somewhere. Also, you would think Gail, having written the book on the first set of murders, as she says, would have at least seen a photo of, or interviewed Mrs. Loomis at some point.

[@analyrical]

I think the explanation for this is detailed by mrs loomis in the final scene(s). She outright admits losing weight and having plastic surgery and calling it a "Makeover." Yes, I think it's plausible that Gail could have recognized her even after the physical changes, but when was the last time she had looked at a photo of Mrs. Loomis? Probably quite a while and by all accounts she had never met Mrs. Loomis in person since Mrs. Loomis is disappeared and gone before the events in SCREAM even happen. So while she may seem familiar, she had also never been around her in person, and that would affect your perception of someone or ability to firmly recognize them. Sidney on the other hand, yes she had been around Mrs. Loomis and her family a lot previously and would have made the connection at some point if she had ever been in close proximity with her throughout the film. But she wasn't and that was was by design since Randy could have recognized her as well if the opportunity had presented itself. I'd have to watch the movie again, but I think there might be two scene(s) where Mrs. Loomis ( not as ghostface) and Sidney and/or Randy would have been even near each other is the press conference with the police where Gail and Debbie Salt are asking questions. But all of the college cast I believe are taking it in from a couple hundred yards away where you wouldn't be paying attention to who's in the crowd and even if you were, it'd be hard to recognize someone you haven't seen in years from that far away who's undergone major physical changes. There's also the attempted murder of Sidney at the Kappa house, but maybe Sidney is already off to the hospital with Derek and crew before Debbie Salt "arrives".

[@oskar_oskarewicz]

Awesome analysis. Especialy with the Randy's death, and Loomis switching the hand to left one, to lead the cops to Mickey. I really do hope that was Craven's and Williamson's attention to the details :) About Mickey throwing the paper ball, or holding camera with his right hand. It is possibile. My wife is left handed, but she does many, many things with her right hand. I guess it is a common thing in the world designed mainly by right handed for right handed :D Left handed people naturaly learn to use their right hand as well. But it could be a lack of attention while doing the reshot. Cheers man, and thanks for the video, it's great.

[@cerealkiller7189]

Left hander here- I can confirm all of this 😂

[@DeepBlackWaters]

Last time I checked, u had like 2k subscribers. Congratulations!!! Can’t wait for the SCRE4M who killed who and for Scream 5 to enter theaters.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

10:50 Awww, that would be so sweet if it weren't for the fact that anywhere between 1-2 of those people were the killer at different points in the movie. 11:08 Thank you for showing that bit! That's honestly one of my favorite scenes in the whole series because of the question of whether Sidney's actually seeing Ghostface or not. Obviously with rewatches, we're able to see Ghostface clearly running away but in the moment, its easy to side with the actors and think Sidney's losing it (seriously, Mickey might not be the most well-liked killer, but I think he's one of the best when it came to screwing with Sidney's head).

[@amandamorgan8349]

YESSSS! He was the best at messing with her head bc he had her thinking her boyfriend was his partner

[@db7463]

Really like the theory that mrs Loomis was to only focus on those involved in Billy’s death. Great vid and theories as always! Thanks

[@ShadrakJohn]

It’s Mrs Loomis’ fault that Sidney killed her son Billy.

[@LesMoore6]

Again man, didn't realize I needed this in my life! Well well done!

[@ZackCherry]

Thanks Brian 😊

[@ezequielambrosio9668]

That growl you brought up while dewey got stabbed omg I thought it was Gale screaming, and it makes sense it was Billy's mom for rage. And that just gave me the chills. I never that till I saw this video.

[@ilanamichelle]

Mrs. Loomis definitely killed Randy because when Gale, Dewey, and the cameraman find his body in the van, you can see a lipstick kiss mark left on Randy's hand! It's a really quick scene and the lipstick blends in with the blood, so I never noticed until my rewatch this past halloween.

[@richardhernandez4490]

I think Mickey did the call and the filming of Randy. Mrs Loomis did the rest.

[@melissam597]

Also why would Mickey get so angry at Billy being insulted? He never even knew him.

[@Barbie-sj1ss]

Also when she revealed her self and stuff she said when randy was talking crap about billy she got a little “knife happy”

[@Gimpygoo]

Another great vid. I’ve never seen the buddy system or left-handed deleted scenes. Also love that you knew Mrs Loomis’ real name is Nancy. In the leaked draft of Kevin’s Scream 4 script I think Charlie had a line where he referred to her as Nancy Loomis too so it’s still canon

[@ZackCherry]

Very interesting, I'll have to look for that. Thanks 😊

[@brockwillis1979]

You have the best freeze frame expressions on your cover slides of your videos! This was a great video! Listening to all of your theories of whom was whom in each kill, I would have to say I agree with you 100 percent. You know how it's a treat to always find little gems or hidden details after watching a movie over and over, well for me, those gems are noticed and better appreciated with a Zack Cherry explanation. And dude, 31K subscribers, that's awesome!!!!!!! I'm very happy for you Zack. You deserve all the success that one guy can handle! Wishing you all the best

[@wulptices]

WHOOOOAAAAAA this is the first time i'm hearing of mrs loomis allegedly being named nancy, and that info is LIFE CHANGING!!!! great vid overall, i think the notion that she was the one doing all the phone calls makes SO much sense! plus the left/right-handed discussion is very fascinating, WOW. 10/10!!!

[@kevin_ramirez2529]

At 8:44 is when Mickey asks Sydney why Derek went back into the house right, it has to be him that slashed Derek

[@jamespope7669]

Course Mickey done it and Derek was also a med student.

[@Astro.nib.]

Wow! I’m so happy to have found your channel! There’s so much great content. I can’t wait to see more!

[@nabielrabadi848]

I have been the biggest Scream fan and have been waiting for a page like this! Thanks for taking the mantel! I’ve been watching your videos for the last hour. Content is awesome! 📱 🔪 👻

[@TheSonicfan01]

your channel is like the perfect thing for my scream addiction lol. love your content!

[@raselahmed1503]

Ms loomis might have SOME strength to kill just like how she almost killed Sidney with her knife. But she wasn't overpowered

[@_baaaby1bandos802]

“Mikey Slides Into Sidneys Dms”

[@StarKushExoticGalaxy]

I would to

[@danielbanks5776]

who's excited for scream 5?

[@davidbrady6077]

Me Daniel😃

[@Blazer-RPT]

Me

[@I_cant_do_math]

Me

[@Iconhulk]

As long as Sidney stays alive.. If not.. My head will explode............. 💣💣💣💥💥💥💥

[@blairmcauley2497]

Me

[@jrod-on2mz]

I feel like Mrs. Loomis was set on killing Sidney, Gal, and Dewey her self. Mickey who was the actual serial killer she found on line was supposed to do the copycat killings and take the fall for all of them at the end. She wasn't even interested in killing Randy. She even encouraged him to leave on the phone and like you said she snapped and killed him when he put down her son.

[@ghostface7591]

That’s is the one i waiting for.

[@civilhate5876]

Love these videos. Also, I'm in the boat that Mrs. Loomis didn't plan on killing Randy. I do think the plan was to kill Gale there, and Randy bashing Billy is what caused her to kill Randy. She mentioned it(like you stated) at the end and I feel that was full admission that she just lost her cool.

[@patoperalta3466]

Love the Meta aproach of the Scream series, particularly with this movie, the fact that they are always talking about it, for example when figuring out sequels better than the original and in the end when Cotton Weary says it would make for an incredible movie. Thats like Community level meta

[@TheDreamingInsomniacs]

Happy to see this up here! Thank you Zack! You rock as always 😁

[@ZackCherry]

Thank you 😊

[@jeffdevito4203]

Never considered the killers being suited up in the same room or house at the same time...I just thought he/she was really fast

[@KingFrank1313]

I've spent the last hour watching your Scream videos, so i had to drop a sub. You're doing incredible work man. Can't wait to see videos like this for Scream 5

[@oliviav.3565]

I've seen Scream 2 a hundred times and never noticed they used Laurie Metcalf's voice when GF attacked Gale in the film building

[@raselahmed1503]

Her voice is also heard in cici's attack and Sidney's first attack as well

[@bobdor4954]

I love your video keep it up man your channel is underrated as hell

[@x3soulja599]

Also the tv shows ? That would be dope. I know not everyone likes the t.v. show but hey maybe it will help some enjoy it

[@chasebaumgardner410]

Just found your videos in the suggestions and I have been watching all your scream videos and they are fantastic!! I think they are interesting and great for the horror lover like me! Great Videos, Keep them coming!!

[@worldwidegameboy56]

Mickey was left handed so it was a lil easy to know who is the killer for the most part.( Btw commented this at the beginning of the video😂😂)

[@LandofOZena]

Another GREAT breakdown!! Love your passion.

[@ghostfac3182]

During the CiCi call i could've sworn by my eyes it looked like Ghostface was holding a phone when he sneaked inside. Also the scene with the stage during rehearsal. I always though that Sid just had some PTSD. Never actually thought she met with a killer. Just in her head

[@alexmoreira876]

I was waiting for this one! My favorite Scream channel strikes again! :)

[@Hunter-fs7ql]

Zack great job on all the scream movies it's good to see someone who knows his shit on horror movies so keep up the great work Zack here's my question What's your next horror movie when you are all done with the Scream movies?

[@ZackCherry]

Halloweens 🎃

[@angelamannarino9038]

Ahhhh I was waiting on this one! I didn’t realize your channel was so new I spent like 15 min looking for this like a week ago 😂 so happy there’s more scream talk!

[@stevensordoni8450]

Again, brilliant attention to detail! You should be a director Zach. I actually really liked Mrs. Loomis as the killer. I did not suspect Laurie Metcalf at all when I originally watched the film (um, which was like 23 years ago).

[@ZackCherry]

Thank you Steven. Not sure I'd have the wherewithal to do that, but it would be fun.

[@ZephyrineSmith]

I love your intense attention to detail even analysing the grunts of mrs loomis.

[@LKx979]

Timothy Olyphant is so gorgeous it's almost hard to look at him.

[@wickd658]

You are so articulate Zack! I love your content keep up the good work 👏🏻