Who made Turbine?

[@gidi3044]

youre telling me a lobster fried this map

[@lzongx6484]

snaids

[@heavysbeltbuckle]

You're telling me this lobster got fried by a turbine?

[@Qobp]

Iirc he used Flobster since the website was Fpsbanana back then So it's Fpslobster in a way

[@tam5tam_]

yes

[@cubirk]

Mapper complex? I find it quite simple

[@MrHun20]

I don't know why, but I had a smile on my face while watching it. There is something about the fact that after 15 years someone finds the contact of the creator of a legendary map and managed to get in touch with him. Searching through the nooks and crannies for information like a true internet historian.

[@angzarrpsyco]

I did something similar for an old DOS game that was my streamer friend's first ever game. The game was called Humpty's Scramble, and I managed to get in contact with one of the original 2 devs of the game and ask come questions!

[@luisapaza317]

​@@angzarrpsycowow, thats really amazing 😅

[@vintagememelord8168]

So weird. Turbine is like a creepy pasta for unfun map design. But the creator is just some normal guy

[@Kevin-hx2ky]

When you want the Heavy Update so bad it becomes a Freudian Slip

[@ruzgar1372]

Imagine if Valve announces that they will release a major update with valve-made content in it and it's a 4th pyro update.

[@AustinH7]

There already was a Heavy update, released on August 19, 2008.

[@bruhzy2139]

@@ruzgar1372that would be hilarious

[@WednesdayMan]

​@@AustinH7we've had A Heavy update but not THE Heavy update. Still waiting for THE Heavy update.

[@NicknineTheEagle]

@@WednesdayMan I looked it up and you're right, lol, it was indeed called A Heavy Update which is odd because it contrasts with THE Pyro Update and THE Scout Update.

[@itaybron]

I used to think turbine was an offshoot of hydro.

[@Whomobile]

It use to be a common theory that Turbine takes place in the Hydro Dam, don't really understand how that works though as you can see through the windows on both sides

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

the powerhouse in question

[@Kacpa2]

@@Whomobile Well Turbine would be like that building by the bottom of the dam in GTA San Andreas specificly inside of it with turbine generators.

[@hlibushok]

Congrats on having your creation "ctf_turrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrbine" get the original mapmaker's approval, lol.

[@hlibushok]

@damsen978 Which is equivalent to approval in this case.

[@hlibushok]

I'd say yes, @damsen978 if a map's purpose is to be funny, finding it to be funny is a form of approval.

[@Nicholas-dg9gj]

People are really harsh on turbine, but I think it deserves a lot more respect. People give the release maps slack for being so early in the game's life, so why not turbine?

[@Dribbleondo]

Because it just isn't very good. It's worse 2fort, if you can believe it. I appreciate it's legacy, and the creation of it being impactfu8l in TF2's history, but I am not going to give turbine false respect for issues it clearly has gameplay-wise.

[@whatdidyouexpect321]

@@Dribbleondo you just suck

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@Dribbleondo yeah its just an extremely bad map, unlike 2fort there are very few choices to do anything on it, and its even got more chokepoints, and because of the placement of the large tunnel to the flag its nearly impossible to stop it from beeing capped if a push reaches it, and pushes are very easy because of how short the tunnel is to mid

[@Nicholas-dg9gj]

@@Dribbleondo I was speaking more so about the map's overall perception in the community. Personally I think dustbowl is god awful, but I respect it and have good memories, even though I'd rather play steel or mountain lab. These maps are "of their time" so to say. A simple map, for when the game and it's players were also simple.

[@moonmelons]

@@Dribbleondo That's your opinion, I think it's the other way around. I just find the 2fort central area to be a fucking mess and break up fighting way too much.

[@Chonkems]

Speaking of Artu Makki, he currently works at GSC Game World, and is one of the environment leads for STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl.

[@HeyKyle]

thats awesome stalker 2 is looking goated

[@yaaqelo]

Arttu mäki*

[@TheBreadPirate]

I love playing turbine back in the day. The close quarters make combat feel like a siege.

[@Brixster]

Turbine was definitely one of those stalemate maps that went on forever because both teams were just so damn good. All you needed was a really powerful player on both teams and they would wipe each other out each minute. Also unexpected but very well appreciated Zeltf2 crossover 🤣

[@karal_the_crazy]

Agreed I love this map

[@EmmBee27]

Turbine was one of the few maps I could get a smooth framerate on when I first started playing TF2 on PC. I remember having to play on DirectX 8 at the time.

[@cansifertharan6611]

I also remember this, i used to play with 2gb ram lmao, only map that ran well.

[@ruzgar1372]

Flobster seems like a really chill dude. I'm glad that he created a map that thousands of players played on for thousands of hours. Turbine is not a particularly good map but it's definitely special in the history of TF2.

[@AeyakS]

Prob millions of hours at this point

[@mrosskne]

what's wrong with it?

[@moondrop11]

@@mrosskne A lot, one of those things is that a semi-competent sniper with a bit of help from his team can destroy the enemy team and completely stop it, i would say it's worse than 2fort at this point. Another thing is that if one of the teams managed to rule enemy territory, the game just becomes guarantee spawncamp and the enemy team can do little or nothing about it.

[@Cybershell13]

Cool vid. I've always loved turbine, to just muck about and deathmatch in while warming up. It's nice to know the creator is still out there, doing well.

[@ultimate8125]

Guys it's him

[@nfwrambo]

@@ultimate8125 get him!

[@elitely6748]

Very awesome to know the creators of all these legendary maps. But what I find to be extra interesting is how he was creating a payload game mode at the same time as valve was, he seems like a very smart down to earth guy though tbh!

[@MuscarV2]

Had no idea this was a tf2 video, and a map in the game (haven't played it). The title with the thumbnail and channel name really made it look like some content farm type of video about who invented turbines. It all put together is just perfect to look that way.

[@Whomobile]

lol

[@UndercoverFreakazoid]

Amazing video! I used to spend so many hours on 24/7 turbine as a kid. This map will always have a place in my heart. Thank you Flobster!!

[@ashoyito]

A friend and i only open TF2 on the weekends to play on a 24/7 Turbine server, so probably 2/3 of my playtime is on that map, and i don't regret it.

[@IamEscBoy]

turbine is my favorite map, so much so that the first thing i ever brought for tf2 was a turbine map stamp

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

I've always liked going demo, standing in the vents in the high five pose watching around the corner and charging people who come down the tunnel.

[@atlev]

thats genius lol

[@HalfLifer81]

Turbine was my go to map when I started playing tf2, I spent hundreds of hours on that map so I thank Flobster for such an iconic creation, hope he's living a happy life.

[@backslay]

I actually really like ctf_turbine, it was the first map stamp I ever bought

[@chairwood]

wat r map stamps for

[@backslay]

@@chairwood You get an "unusual" hat that has a map stamp effect on the maps you bought stamps for. It also supports the creators of said maps

[@ultgamercw6759]

I wonder if Lobster still plays tf2 after all this time even if he doesn't make maps any more.

[@Siplin]

I think he might still be in touch if he’s aware of some the remakes/interpretation of his map

[@Whomobile]

I didn't find a place to put in the video, but he stopped playing regularly around 2016 and last played around 2020 iirc

[@LieseFury]

​@@Siplinturbine pro is ancient.

[@kaga_me]

Bill Johnson sounds like the most generic pseudonym ever.

[@luginess0]

I love captions. Thank you whomobile!

[@RIP2UALL]

I would really like an update of Turbine honestly.

[@springmen1922]

My World traveler’s hat has the Turbine stamp on it and because Valve said I played it the most. When I don’t even play on it anymore.

[@notahooper]

Turbine still best map. Lobster was going to make a payload map before it was even out yet on TF2. GOAT.

[@F0rtuneLT]

"Who made Turbine?" 2 seconds in: "made by flobster"

[@wusstunes]

Turbine's influence is weirdly huge. I even ran into a Team Fortress Classic version of it last year.

[@VonSnuggles1412]

It's always so interesting when you manage to find the creators of old maps or content. In a lot of cases we would never know who made these iconic pieces of content, and it would suck to have fully lost this information to time (which we already see with so much old content for games, especially gmod it seems). Thank you for making vids like this

[@willyworks4296]

Turbine was the first map I played on when I first started TF2 and it gave me many memories from it from finding new friends to chilling with others.

[@checkmate9099]

Glad to see he is doing well. 👍

[@teh_gangrene]

It's awesome that this and fastlane (I think?) were the first few tf2 community maps added to the game. Good vid

[@O5MO]

Thanks for including the subtitles in your videos. Even though its out of sync with audio in some places, its really helpful to some people.

[@Sillimant_]

2fort and turbine are two of my absolute favourite maps in TF2, so it's nice to learn some of the history of turbine

[@MrMackB]

This explains why turbine is in competitive map rotation, very interesting!

[@systemhalodark]

13 years later, it's still among my most well-liked along with Lazytown and Warpath. Mush pits with some back and forth are what makes old tf2 maps so special.

[@SleepyEngi]

Very interesting video. Glad you found the answer to some questions like if he got in contact with valve, got me worried lol..

[@undsha]

Turbine was my 2fort. I used to play this map almost exclusively when I first started playing TF2, like a lot of new players do with 2fort. I'll always cherish this map, even if its design isn't the best for modern standards.

[@krazzy6440]

I'm always surprised how big Valve's mapping influence is on other games. Seeing the Halo version of this level was pretty cool. It's neat seeing not just default maps from Valve games being recreated in other games, but even custom maps people make having renditions in other games too. Valve games truly have a special influence when it comes to levels.

[@gmclucy]

I love Turbine, and I'm so happy to know that the creator is still out there and got the money from the map stamp I bought

[@GentlemanLU]

Really nice vid, it's cool that Flobster got in contact with you!

[@xenonnboy]

Unironically, this is probably my favorite map in the game, so this was delightful to learn about!

[@Smeelio]

I actually LOVE that Turbine has been a popular 24/7 map practically since it released and right up until today! It's such a legendary map for so many reasons

[@genericname_]

This is funny to me because this is one of the first and only map stamps that I bought, interesting knowing now that the guy who I bought it for was a total mystery man…

[@TheManinBlack9054]

Loved your description of the Love as a Construct song in the doobly doo

[@AMBPineapple]

I love turbine. I would always make it a goal to carry a level 3 sentry through the enemy vents and drop it in the corner where the flag is.

[@MeatwadMeatwad]

This sounds very familiar to the situation with the creator of convoy the difference being we NEVER GOT CONVOY DAMNIT.

[@augustday9483]

I spent so many nights back in the day playing endless rounds of ctf Turbine. Good times.

[@AlpacaEmperor]

Nice Jungle DnB for the background music. Im glad that genre is getting a resurgence.

[@abildamil]

Sheep Dog n Wolf music ❤

[@PatrickGilland]

Turbine was one of my favorite maps back in the day, I used to play on it all the time, always enjoyed playing sniper and putting a decoy spray in the vents to suss out incoming enemies.

Holy shit... you do not know what flashback you just triggered in me with that sheep dog and wolf soundtrack!

[@gaka03]

haha same

[@c0ntriL]

Turbine was one of the first community made maps i played, and the first one i bought a map stamp for aswell, i loved this map, such fun times, demo charging with a caber, 30 sentry nests, sniper duals, scout duals..i miss those days..

[@Drazamuffin]

I hate that my brain saw the isometric Turbine and soyjacked thinking “woah it just like classic fallout and zomboid”

[@EeveeEuphoria]

you are doing important work out here getting in contact w/ the original map makers, this is fascinating history and insight on the creator of turbine! funny seeing this video pop up after i played a round of turbine w/ a friend, it's one of the only maps i have a stamp on now that i think about it! (i should buy more stamps i guess lol)

[@Falcarious]

this made me want to buy a turbine stamp

[@callmetony4399]

Alwats loved how flooded with sprays the base in turbine got.

[@idonotcarekek]

On one of my very first play throughs of tf2 turbine was a map I set out to “git gud” at. Highly underloved map imo

[@MachuThePichu]

if turbine was first made as a map for "6v6 clan skirmishes" is that the reason valve decided to put it in the competitive (6v6) map pool?

[@GunKick]

glad to see the money from my 10 turbine map stamps wasn't funneled directly into a deep dark pit

[@XxXSkylezXxX]

Don't change your mic!! Your voice sounds gorgeous here

[@ryanphillips4123]

Another excellent video! So glad you're here preserving the history of TF2! And congrats on getting a response from Flobster! I know what it's like to attempt to make contact with the creators of old media. I don't think I've ever received a response from a old email I dug up. You got really lucky! Super cool!

[@Kerma7]

I loved turbine and junction back in the day, there was something odd about indoor maps that really interested me. Didn't even know how controversial they were until I started watching your videos.

[@dorianc.4372]

I hope he sees this video and feels honored

[@sinch4044]

my heart literally soared when I saw the title of this video and how recently it had been posted. Bless you guys for continuing to make content about this beautiful game ❤

[@piepods]

I got my Turbine stamp in '09 and even though I only play pl these days, I have great affection for Turbine and love playing the odd round there for pure nostalgia. Great fun map to lean on and way better than 2Fort in my opinion!

[@DangerDurians]

Did you ask him if there really is an F in Lobster?

[@meltingatom]

Some times I feel the need to punish myself, so I play turbine to be door camped for 20 minutes

[@burningphoneix]

How many hours have I passed blissfully wacking sentry guns and dispensers in the Int room? A simpler time.

[@NotSoMelancholy]

Ngl for the longest time I didn’t even realize this got turned into an official map

[@taulitaulington197]

Daaaaamn that sheep dog n wolf soundtrack really hit me in the nostalgia! ♥

[@Frying1Pans]

as a kid i paid the creator of this map through the map stamps

[@champagnesupernova1839]

"who made turbine?" >6 seconds in "...by Flobster" well that answers that time to go

[@sebastiandelgado943]

Turbine my beloved: The only map i play and the only map my pc runs

[@_-Huligan-_]

Nice Sheep Raider music! such a great soundtrack

[@kentuckyfriedsocks4384]

I used to play Turbine so much as a kid. Hope hes doin well

[@ShadowEclipse777]

Doesn't matter if 2Fort and Turbine are unbalanced, theyll always be my favorite

[@Bitterman97]

Amen to that brother. Amen to that

[@Smoke_999]

Maybe you could make that into a little series where you do what you did for each map creator. You don't have to, but it still remains as an interesting idea to do for all the maps. I appreciate the effort of reading all info to figure out the original creator's contact. The video was entertaining to listen to and great.

[@BUMMY105]

Turbine and 2Fort were my go-to maps back when I started out, since the small player space allowed to even out the player's skill set. I preferred Turbine a LOT more than 2Fort, as the asthetic felt so industrially cozy. I haven't played on Turbine for a while, mostly as the game had evolve so much that Turbine had been left in the dust by now professional players. But I consider Turbine, just like 2Fort, my home.

[@spazmk4t]

tell them to bring out the lobster!

[@Imirui]

Seeing the TC2 version of it in this video was crazy.

[@AlanElChato]

Interesting video! Props on the Sheep Raider music man!

[@nickbrick20]

"I just want to talk to him"

[@mikeman232]

Jokes on you, already bought a stamp back when I was 12 and new to the game. The map isn't flawless, but its a charming map and always liked it's iconic central room.

[@andresbravo2003]

This map never gets old.

[@icosagram]

0:37 i like how the subtitles have stuff that aren't even being said

[@Dinostudios1]

I used to love Turbine, the only map stamp I bought was of Turbine

[@ghost_ship_supreme]

I played two maps for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. One was STEEL, the other was TURBINE. I bought the map stamps for both of them years ago :) You should’ve asked him about the machines in intel rooms missing front panels too. ;)

[@manutrollolol]

The true and only turbine in my heart is the map turbine of Cube 2: Sauerbraten. Cool video though!

[@gamering149]

cant believe flobster gave whomobile the antidote for the disease

[@DrClay999]

I never understood why there is a lot of hate for this map, it's one of my favorite maps. I heard some people don't like the ceiling because it gives issues with rocket jumps, but that's just the way maps are, they don't need to be open all the time. I spent countless hours on those 24/7 Turbine servers, great times. Maybe it's because I often saw the map as just a place to chill and goof around and not play the game seriously, like sometimes I'd just experiment with a class I don't normally play or a weapon. There were times the whole team and myself would work together to break through and take the intel that was heavily guarded by pocketed heavies, one or 2 good snipers, and 4 to 6 sentries. It honestly was a lot of fun. The map just had a aura in it that can't really be fully explained, just experienced.

[@ScamSafeShiba]

I have played a payload map before Payload Update. It used the model of a minecart as a payload. At that time payload game mode UI didn't exist so players not actually knowing what they should do. I remember it was an indoor map like a underground mine.

[@Deniil2000]

>tracks down a person >do not be weird

[@gelozyg1732]

Turbine is my favorite map even though its the probably the worst one out of the entire lineup. But I played in that map for thousands of hours with friends and made great memories. I actually bought the map stamp and is the only map stamp I own.

[@oliver_3185]

I love Turbine it's the only map my pc could run decently when i first started playing tf2.

[@Thomas_Angelo]

the energy of the title is the same as: WHO TF MADE THIS?

[@nicknick493]

imo turbine is one of the most iconic tf2 maps

[@Zenxolu]

0:06 there you go, that's the end of the video. On to the next tf2 video

[@TheRealFishyB]

I'd think if Flobster wanted to update Turbine - it's their choice. But they shouldn't worry about people getting mad - they'll always get mad. Heck, they can just download the old version if they can't stand the thought of having the map be a tiny bit better from the authors pov - considering how much the game has moved on! I think Turbine is my favourite CTF map simply because it's super small and the intel isn't ridiculously deep within a base, so it keeps things fast and loose! -

[@Her_Imperious_Condescension]

I know Turbine isn't a "great" map, but damnit it's one of my favourites to just mess around on. I actually bought the map stamp for it, back in 2014 when I was actively playing just so I could see what the unusual effect was for the World Traveler's Hat, and Turbine was my map of choice. Pretty disappointing, as it turns out, but whatever.

[@luckylevel7616]

I have personaly sinked over 1000 hours to turbine