Who's to blame for the Uchiha Clan Massacre?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

- Obito started it all with the 9 Tails Attack - Danzo discriminated the Uchiha Clan by putting them under 24/7 watch, attacked Shisui and gave Itachi an Ultimatum - Hiruzen did nothing - Itachi killed off his Clan

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

What you said was perfect I would also add that the hidden leaf village as whole was also a bit responsible because they never trusted them and were racist against them

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@dytgyfgyffuh243 going back to Tobirama the super racist

[@ektran4205]

it was mainly tobirama's fault

[@shadowking2153]

Nah the nine tails attack just gave the villiage higher ups an excuse

[@OfficialTheFury]

@@shadowking2153 yeah especially to Danzo

[@calvinstraveldreams]

There is a major plothole with the Uchiha Massacre, as the Leaf Village effectively crippled itself by eliminating numerous Chunin, Jonin, and even Kage-level shinobi-unless the Leaf elders expected Itachi to only eliminate part of the clan before himself dying (enough to prevent a coup and force the Uchiha back into line, but not enough to wipe out the Uchiha and cripple the Leaf Village’s military). Really the Uchiha massacre reads like an operation that was originally intended as a "show-of-force" to bring the Uchiha back into line, but that got out of hand due to Danzo's greed, Shisui's naivete, and Itachi's mental instability...

[@mcjaguilar8667]

My thoughts, too. The council amputated their own village and military force AND eliminated the police department overnight... massacreing the Uchiha would have had more realistic consequences for the village that would have panned out much worse than letting them live.

[@anomanderrake3593]

After Sasuke Itachi fight Kishi was riding the Itachi di_do while writing the manga. That explains everything.

[@gingerbread5167]

I thnik in the end it doesn't matter how many talented individuals you possess, if your village is done by starting a coup... so it's not much of a plothole imo

[@2FINE4YOUBABYGIRL]

Yeah I’m surprised the citizens didn’t protest en masse. I know the leaf is a hyper nationalist military base but still…

[@tono1768]

Most of the clan didn't even have a sharingan, they were civilians. Only the police force and maybe some random members were a threat. It was all njnja racism in the end. But if the rebelion was not stopped the Leaf was done anyway so the lost of the clan was preferable. Granted they lost Itachi, Shisui, Fugaku and Sasuke as assets, which really screwed them in the long run

[@Caal3]

Hiruzen had many opportunities to consult fugaku and the clan but instead chose to exploit a teenager in hopes of defusing tensions. He also allowed danzo to have too much administrative power which he only sought to diminish after the massacre and after danzo had gathered too large of an influence. Ultimately, Hiruzen is mostly responsible.

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

I don't know if hiruzen is incompetent or evill or both

[@joshua6889]

Hiruzen is the most dangerous of the Konoha F4.Do not be mistaken.His constant suppression of a being like Danzo & subsequent treatment of Naruto tells you what sort of ruler he is ❄️🥱🤷🏽‍♂️🙏🏽💯.

[@commander1suv492]

Fugaku also had 10 years between 9 tails and massacre to connect with the leaf leadership and rebuild their trust. Two different Uchiha had attacked the leaf: instead he decided to plan a coup that he didn't even fucking believe in. He just got pressured by his clan, who due to Fugaku's ineptitude, we're getting way too big for their boots. Also, the entire shinobi world exploits children for political manoeuvres. Hiruzen himself is a victim of this since he was a child: being raised by 2 Hokage to eventually succeed them - who were also exploited by their clans to be child soldiers from the age they could hold kunai or chanel chakra. It's not valid to criticise Hiruzen for doing something that we see happening even in fucking Boruto - for Hiruzen it's just a part of the world he's in and the ideologies and systems he's known and subscribed to for most of his life. For us as readers, it's different because: child soldiers are a war crime and a human rights violation and we recognise and percieve systematic oppressions in a different way compared to the highly volatile and political landscape of Naruto's universe, where systematic oppression is inherent before Hashirama established the shinobi system. And they still have clans and kekkai genkai and all of these different social and genetic disparities, which place certain groups as greater and more powerful than others and thus more threatening than others.

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

@commander1suv492 morality is twisted in the world of naruto no wonder many people become villains

[@MaríaCamilaBolívarBetancourt]

Danzo and hiruzen and the council. I just can't blame itachi, he was too young, he should have been doing álgebra homework, not being made to decide the future of the clan and the village like that.

[@JuubiTaz]

I've always blamed the Konoha elders more than anyone else.

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

​@JuubiTaz the elders and the whole hidden leaf village are still bit responsible because they were racist towards the uchiha every person from tobirama to hirzun to danzo to the hidden leaf village are responsible for uchiha being killed but none of them take the responsibility for their actions and instead blame each other and use and manipulate 12 year old kid to kill his clan and family no wonder many characters hate the hidden leaf village they are hypocrites and evil assholes

[@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi]

Itachi as a kid too should have known better and not agreed to the plan like shisui did the guy was literally touted as the genius of the Leaf yet made the dumbest decision for the sake of his brother so for me he is part of the blame If obito was willing to take responsibility for the nine tails attack that killed thousands of ninja even though he was 14 and was groomed by madara I don't see why itachi shouldn't take some of the blame after all most the akatsuki were at a very young age that the committed atrocious acts due to the nature of the ninja system

[@velcity4190]

Bro tf if itachi didnt agree the entire village would be destroyed. It was essentially saving the village or everyone dies because the clan wouldn't survive either way. And its danzo's fault because shisui was the only one who could save both the village and the clan and guess what he did.​@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi

[@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi]

@velcity4190 yh I fail to believe that a clan that was killed by two teenagers in one night will cause the destruction of an entire village and even if it would howcan you excuse the murder of the innocent women ,men and children , you literally target the leaders of the coup not everyone this literally battle tactis 101 when Germany threatened to take over the world using thier nazi tactics did the world allied forces decide to nuke t he whole Germany or takedown the leaders of the nazi revolution, and also why is sasuke who would have found out the truth alive if itachi indeed wanted to prevented a civil war ,itachi plan almost failed if it wasn't for naruto who had also been multreated by the leaf stopped sasuke and also why itachi didn't even try to kill obito or try to takedown the akatsuki from the inside is beyond me the guy didn't even try so what was the point of he being a double agent of the Leaf if he didn't contribute to the downfall of the akatsuki in the first place

[@jrk1666]

Hiruzen picked up Tobiramas's will of fire, Danzo got what was left, hate for the uchiha

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Danzo is an example of giving an idiot political power they ruin everything they touch

[@Vlokkiee]

Every government has a danzo

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

@@Vlokkiee so true

[@JuubiTaz]

he's both an idiot and an ill intentioned man (bad actor)

[@grandcanyon-d4d]

LBJ?

[@That_kind_of_orc]

I hope there is a special place in hell for Danzo

[@JuubiTaz]

me too bro

[@Itsgoingdown7]

​@@JuubiTaz do you mean you need the place too?😮

[@Jairlol]

@@Itsgoingdown7hell yea he’s a bitch the worst person in the leaf village

[@JuubiTaz]

@@Itsgoingdown7 💀

[@azureascendant994]

Let's not forget when Uchiha became the military police they became a part of the system they supported. After Madara got kicked out Uchiha chose to support Konoha. Even in death, The Uchiha never betrayed Konoha, they were a competitive target to be undermined and subjugated in Danzo's pursuit of power. In Tobirama's time, The Uchiha were the only clan in Konoha who had permanent power in lawing and policing, a power that could not be taken from them unless they all were murdered. Corruption started when the elder council was formed. Danzo wanted to destroy the system and replace it with his own. He was not pro-Konoha but a despotic criminal that met justice by Sasuke's blade. Fugaku was in the right to oppose Konoha's corrupt leaders Danzo and Hiruzen but he was leading a loosing cause and resigned to fate.

[@JuubiTaz]

Danzo was probably envious of the Uchiha, that's why he collected all of those Sharingan. It was only karma that the 2 surviving Uchiha hunted him down in the end.

[@azureascendant994]

@@JuubiTaz He was on the same team as Kagami. I believe Danzo felt inferior to Kagami and that is a reason why he coveted the Uchiha's power.

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

​@JuubiTaz juubi Taz I have a question I read the itachi novel and I don't understand did the third hokage want the uchiha massacre to happen because he agreed with danzo and kept wasting did the third hokage deep down want the uchiha clan died want to do think

[@anvos658]

Off the Top of My Head I'd say 1. Danzo : Dude pretty much willed this into existence by taking all of Tobirama's worst traits and amplifying them, all the while using it to self justify his attempts at power grabs and betraying the village. 2. Hiruzen : Gross incompetence and negligence of duty, as keeping the Clans loyal to the village is part of your job as Hokage, and put cronyism of his friends ahead of sound leadership. 3. Itachi : Dude idiotically killed his whole clan and didn't even negotiate Danzo down to sparing more Uchiha, and when faced with somebody the clan could pin the 9 Tails attack on chose to work with him instead of his clan and village. 4. Obito : Lets face it Itachi alone had no hope of killing everybody and his reasoning for killing his clan is even worse. 5. Tobirama : Basically he laid the foundation for this, by choosing to turn a minority into the police (further isolating them), and his decision to directly name a successor, instead of letting the village vote like his brother wanted Hokage to be elected, ensured the Uchiha would be locked out by stacking the government with people of his ideology. 6. Fugaku : Lacked the spine to put his foot down on the rest of the clan and take the hit to his own reputation for what was best for the Uchiha (seriously helping Itachi to be Hiruzen's prime replacement when he retires again would've been a better plan than a coup), and refused to fight his own son, which meant without one of their biggest hitters there wasn't a distraction for other Uchiha to try and escape.

[@JuubiTaz]

well said 🙌

[@mcjaguilar8667]

They could have all just agreed to get rid of Danzo 😅

[@velcity4190]

Itachi and tobirama should switch places it arguably tobirama's fault for putting them at the ends of the village sowing the first seeds of discrimination.

[@cloudj232]

You saw how Sasuke turned out? Itachi wanted to protect Sasuke and the leaf, negotiating to keep more Uchiha's alive would've brought more troubles to the leaf later on

[@anomanderrake3593]

What pisses me off is that everyone is telling Sasuke to move on while not acknowledging anything about the gen0cide. Also the 2 geezers are still alive. Nobody attacked the village when the village was weakened after the Oro and Sand invasion, Pein's attack and Obito's attack.

[@JuubiTaz]

yeah its pretty hypocritical, Sasuke old teammates considered him a criminal that had to be dealt with but they didnt know the dark history of their precious village

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

The problem is that the show is based towards the hidden leaf village and the will of fire that no matter what crime they do or how many people they kill their always the good guys because thier home of naruto who is the hero of the story many many of problems were caused by the village hidden in the leaves the uchiha clan massacre that was the leaf village but the fans no the hidden leaf village is still good the hidden leaf village caused the 2 and 3 ninja war kill nagato parents and destroy the rain village the fans no the hidden leaf are still good tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that caused the 4 ninja war and the fans no the hidden leaf village are still the good guys the fans are hypocrites because they turn a blind eye to the crimes and the innocent people that they hidden leaf village kill it obvious even an idiot can that the hidden leaf village is evil and hypocrites fuck the hidden leaf village

[@Whooptywoop]

Trick question. Black zetsu is to blame

[@MrL1G3R]

💯

[@Fictionist10101]

What i have a problem with isn't all of this but the treatment of the event afterwards characters treat it as a trivial event no one even acknowledged their perspective or even confessed that they were marginalised & mistreated

[@MaríaCamilaBolívarBetancourt]

This is so true

[@jiero3253]

@@Fictionist10101 damn no wonder Sasuke had no loyality in part 1

[@joshfarrow9707]

Well you see I needed to be placed in a position where they could be controlled there too powerful. Not about human rights and you have a clan that can go psychotic to become too strong that the village can't fight them like another Madara. There are some situations where you can't use human rights the Uchiha clan is one of them. You're irresponsible and you get people killed

[@anomanderrake3593]

That was one of my main issues with the whole thing. No one gives a f and the people who learn about it keep telling Sasuke to forget it and move on.

[@MayoTheNnaise]

​@@joshfarrow9707 dude that's like saying shisui is a psychopath

[@jiero3253]

Obito plain and simple, danzo took advantage of the conditions obito set for him, the conditions danzo created is what drove fukgaku and Itachi to take the actions they took. And all goes back to obito

[@headcrap6152]

he flattened like half of the village and not a single person that saw him lived to tell about it, they could not find out who was it there was zero traces of him no barriers were broken or detected any outsiders, so the only thing close was the Uchiha clan since they know they can control tailed beasts with their eyes, the village leaders had lots of reasons to suspect it was a Uchiha who did it, but still danzo did not just take advantage of it, that mf just wanted their eyes very simple and I'm pretty sure he would have done way more if itachi did not agree with him and kill them all.

[@jiero3253]

@@headcrap6152 true....but the only way danzo could have irradiated the Uchiha is through those circumstances. Even if the massacre didn't happen at the time it did. Obito literally says in the Itachi novels he was gonna eradicate them anyway to keep powerful MS users from spawning

[@grandcanyon-d4d]

Obito told Itachi that he will kill the clan? ​@@jiero3253

[@mechajay3358]

It all comes back to Danzo for putting the idea in Itachi's head. Him also stoping Shisui from using his abilities calm the Uchiha's coup attempts definitely show he was doing this for his own interest, not the Leaf Villages. Not to mention he got the support of the Konoha's Elders which also makes them just as guilty. Hizuren not doing enough to make peace with the Uchiha and turning a blind eye to Danzo's actions definitely doesn't make him come off competent. Overall Danzo got what was coming to him when Sasuke had him killed. He really did end up avenging his clan.

[@kap1618]

My issue with the massacre is how shippuden downplays it. In og Naruto, we see Uchiha civilians but in Shippuden, nothing. We get no uchiha non combatants. No elderly, no kids, no civilians.

[@Sariel_reuploading]

I'm side eyeing the entire village ngl. It seems they have a thing for marginalizing certain people or at least encouraging that type of culture. In fact, they perpetuate a terrible system where they have man like Hiruzen and Danzo as their leaders which in turn creates problematic people like Obito. But, the main scapegoat is zetsu because he was using everyone 🤪 But seriously, imagine if Hiruzen didn't start the 3rd war and Obito had survived without joining Madara? I'd still think Danzo would've done something else to get rid of the clan though. Okay technically, tobirama is to blame for choosing Hiruzen lol. Remember when he was yapping about the people choosing who should be Hokage to hashirama? Yeah that went out the window with him 🤭

[@JuubiTaz]

Lol, they marginalized Naruto as a kid, and drove Sakumo to commit suicide. I do agree, Danzo would probably try to find another excuse. I think it was a spur of the moment thing. Thank god he had enough common sense not to pick Danzo.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

It's weird how Obito cared more about Rin than he did his own kin.

[@itsbeyxnd]

Pussy

[@waffleenjoyer-re3pg]

rin was his only kin to him

[@jmcghane]

Because he was a simp.

[@waffleenjoyer-re3pg]

@@jmcghane rin was also his only friend

[@picassojulien899]

Not weird at all, the uchiha never accepted him so it makes sense

[@grandcanyon-d4d]

the 2 elders are still alive and still holding positions even in Boruto 🤦

[@JuubiTaz]

yeah well, look at how many corrupt politicians hold power for 20 years+

[@velcity4190]

​@@JuubiTazdoes sasuke know that? I'd be inclined to believe he'd delete them if he knew.

[@JuubiTaz]

@@velcity4190 Sasuke avoids the village at all costs, those 2 geezers are lucky Naruto 'talk no jutsud' Sasuke

[@velcity4190]

@@JuubiTaz true that

[@rkvlegacy9206]

They were planning on taking out the Uchiha with or without Itachi. Itachi did it so the Leaf won’t be blamed and peace continues. Danzo was the one who came up with the idea. The Uchiha were simply doomed. Tobirama started it all period but Danzo and the spineless coward Hiruzen was their demise. The Uchiha could have used more peaceful methods than a coup so fault was on them as well.

[@JuubiTaz]

good take

[@djchocolate34]

Tobirama put the Uchiha as the police because of there genjutsu

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Funny how someone like orochimaru calls tobirama for his decisions and problems he created like with being racist towards the uchiha and creating the zombie jutsu that require human sacrifice orochimaru himself calls the jutsu that tobirama created evil and tobirama says it not my fault it pathetic tobirama is like real world leaders who even they make mistakes say it not my fault or try to justify it

[@JuubiTaz]

nicely said!

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

@JuubiTaz it something that I realized when sasuke meet the kages they each kind blamed each other for the uchiha being killed the same thing happened in kage summit were the kages blamed each other for the akatsuki and mock each other no wonder the naruto world has had three worlds wars when the country leaders act like immature children don't take responsibility and blame each other and are incompetent like hirzun the third hokage like I said no wonder the naruto world is so dark and fulled with war when you have leaders like that no wonder sasuke wanted revolution and to kill the kages

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

@JuubiTaz the thing is that none of kages that sasuke brought back to life take the responsibility instead they blamed each other the don't want to I admit that they were wrong the same happened in the five kages summit were the kages insulted each other and blamed each other for the akatsuki none of want to to responsibility instead of being wise and mature leaders the act as immature children that blamed each other and wage war for petty reasons no wonder the naruto world is dark and cruel and had 3 world wars when the country leaders are like them hirzun who is incompetent is another example no wonder sasuke wanted revolution and to kill the five kage thier croupt and incompetent the blame each other don't responsibility for their actions and act like immature children like we saw at the kage summit

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

@JuubiTaz what do think of what I said

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

@JuubiTaz by the way do know bleach and one piece because I realized that naruto bleach and one all something similar croupt government systems that created thier villains naruto has the shnobi system being hell and croupt bleach has the soul society system being croupt and hypocrites one piece has the world government being croupt and evill all big 3 shonen have croupt system that created thier villains it makes think

[@anomanderrake3593]

Danzo, Thrid Hokage, elders and Itachi.

[@janvaryyy]

Just clicked but this is a great cideo

[@ryan-pp6bg]

2:51 right...cuz a 5 year old could of totally convinced an entire clan to change their ways with his vast amounts of wisdom 😂😂

[@jerrysoncallado8709]

But that 5yr old is the son of Fugaku the clan's leader. Fugaku seemed strict but he had a soft spot for Sasuke

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Hiruzen must've had dementia or something.

[@JuubiTaz]

lmao

[@anomanderrake3593]

That's why you don't put someone who has been a senator for 120 years as the head of your country.

[@GareyWilliams-t1s]

Danzo hirzuen and two old elder

[@DarthVoxyn]

Obito would have the biggest share of the blame followed by Danzo

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

What about the Boulder that crushed Obito?

[@elijahfrancisrabor1388]

Its Teuchi. They never bought ramen. Always buy ramen from the ramen guy

[@JuubiTaz]

Teuchi should've been 5th Hokage

[@noble300000]

"Whose responsible-" Danzo. Its always Danzo.

[@JuubiTaz]

lmao, straight up

[@ClubAnimay]

Danzo and fugaku should’ve tried to save some uchiha at minimum before letting his son kill him

[@Anti-ElJordinio7648]

Let's not be real. The Uchiha Clan made a mistake the moment they formed the Leaf Village alongside the Senju.

[@JuubiTaz]

true

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Madrara was right about tobirama being racist towards the uchiha

[@Kryptic496]

Fugaku and hiruzen. Danzo did things behind the scenes but hiruzen did not take action when it mattered most. He allowed the uchiha to not help during the 9 tails attack, at no point did he sit down and talk with the uchiha, and fugaku is just as much to blame for the same reasons. He didnt take action to resolve the issue but instead stirred conflict even more by holding the meetings to plan a coup.

[@JuubiTaz]

While I blame Danzo more, I do think Hiruzen's avoidance is what lead Danzo to act

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Did hirzun in itachi novel want the uchiha massacre to happen because itachi said that he didn't do anything and kept wasting time

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Let's be real. The Uchiha Clan were doomed the moment they formed the Leaf Village along with the Senju.

[@JuubiTaz]

that's the sad truth

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Madrara borther izuna said that they can't trust them and he was right

[@jaipandey7142]

And worst part, they abandoned Madara

[@antihero627]

I don’t blame Itachi, I sorta blame Hiruzen, still unsure how I feel about Tobirama but I mostly blame Obito and Danzo! I don’t even get Y Obito did it. If eliminating the Uchiha was in accordance with Madara's will, then why go along with it. It couldn’t have been out of loyalty since he was planning on betraying Madara from the start; and wouldn’t the Uchiha Clan been useful for his future plans? Just doesn’t make sense to me! Oh but Danzo, don’t get me started cause there aren’t enough words for my feelings towards him!😡🤬 I have mixed feelings about Fugaku. At least he backed down so that he wouldn’t cause his son anymore pain.

[@mlampre88]

Everyone have fault, more or less, but everyone.

[@trebledjayce]

I’m blame Danzo. He messed with the outcome that was planned because he wanted more power

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

What if Kagami Uchiha became the 3rd Hokage?

[@commander1suv492]

If Jiraya was there, the Uchiha wouldn't have attacked. Considering the glaze that the Sannin get and their status as legendary shinobi: the Uchiha wouldn't have planned shit if they had to fight both a legendary Sannin and his teacher, the legendary 3rd Hokage, formerly known as God of Shinobi.

[@poodie3887]

The uchiha would still attack that’s what you don’t get, they planned on using shisui to kidnap hiruzen

[@cliffbot638]

I blame Madara. If he never attacked with Nine Tails then no one could've ever known the sharringan can control it. Thus Obito never gets the idea to unleash it and Konoha never has a reason to suspect them. It all started with Madara imo.

[@JuubiTaz]

Technically, it all started with Black Zetsu

[@jameshollister8294]

Can you do a video how kaygua clan doesn't make much sense as far as relatives.... Kin and gink are they part pf the hagromo clan why they wernt dtrong or not much information about that clan

[@JuubiTaz]

hmm yeah I could try to tackle the 6 paths lineage.

[@velcity4190]

Black zetsu Danzo Hiruzen and the elders Tobirama Obito Itachi Fugaku

[@jaipandey7142]

The Uchiha Clan was destined to be doomed one way or another.

[@JuubiTaz]

that's the sad reality

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

I don't think so kishimoto kept making excuses to justify the uchiha massacre frist the civil war then the curse of hatred then they were ticking bombs do see kishimoto always created new excuses to justify the uchiha massacre the problem is that the fans that say that tobirama is right and itachi is a hero are basically saying that genocide and racism are good and heroics thighs

[@jaipandey7142]

@@dytgyfgyffuh243 The massacre of Uchiha Clan was there from the very starting, so Kishimoto found different ways to progress this plot point. First we learned Itachi killed everyone, then we learned about Madara, then about coup plot, then about curse, civil war etc. Also, fans are indeed sympathetic towards Itachi and everyone in favour of Naruto and Konoha, because fans over analyse the characters and take their good and human qualities to justify them. See how much fans justify Griffith, Johan, Light Yagami, and other criminal like characters

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

@jaipandey7142 the problem is kishimoto gloryfy itachi and makes the uchiha genocide is heroic noble and good thing it crazy how see the genocide of the uchiha as noble good there is video name naruto child soldiers and naruto didn't change the world watch them and tell me your opinion

[@jaipandey7142]

@dytgyfgyffuh243 You mean that video where they told about nationalism of shinobis and their child soldiers making legacy? Yes I have seen that and yeps I agree it was what the reality of shinobi world. Hashirama and Naruto indeed failed in their changing world path as they weren't able to stop violence. See, it's shounen manga/anime and their general plotline glorifies the protagonists and all people related to his ideals (either it be Itachi or anyone else) and also made antagonists unique (by giving them some good human qualities or motive). In my opinion, Itachi is overrated and everyone forget his helplessness and crime. They instead justify his actions based on his initiative of saving Sasuke (which would be lot better if he had not abandoned him for Orochimaru and others). I think Kishimoto wanted to make Itachi an antagonist with seriously evil motives but in between he just added the narrative of his dilemma to chose his family or duty to gather sympathy for him.

[@lightyoshiman]

who was the most responsible? Madara its because of what he did with the ninetails that the leaf and many more would become fearful of the sharingan for decades what's funny is that madara wanted to kill off the uchiha so his subordinate being one of the causes is actually tragic irony

[@TawshifShafi]

Uchiha's have every right to rebellion against the leaf.

[@crystaluwu1012]

It really is heartbreaking that Itachi a literal child who's frontal lobe was probably even not developed yet was put in a politically and morally problematic situation and forced to choose by fucking literal adults who should have fixed the problem themselves, like whats these child who just hitted puberty is supposed to do?, he is literally clueless about the world of politics and is just following orders!... To be forced to kill everyone you loved like that, and waching the person you loved the most hate you overtime and personally traumatize him against your will because of a blind belief that Sasuke should become stronger and rebuild the clan. Itachi made some stupid decisions, but he was a literal teenager that time he wasn't supposed to make decisions like that! He is biologically incapable of since his brain isn't even fully developed by that age... He was just acting out on what he thinks was right that time without knowing the full consequence. I supoose once Itachi was a full grown adult thats when he realized he could have made other decisions during that time or told Sasuke the truth instead of traumatizing him, again side effect of the fact that they let a child handle the problem, but by the time he was probably to deep in the bucket to crawl back up, and his entire plan would have been wasted and all the sacrifices too, ofcourse Itachi would make shitty decisions because thats literally what is expected to happen if a child was left to handle adult jobs!. Itachi is a genius but during that time that boy was still a kid such a major decision was not supoosed to be left on him, honestly the sanest choice would have been him and sasuke leaving the village and let the adults fuck themselves ,but he also cares about the leaf which put him in a more terrible situation.

[@JuubiTaz]

not to mention that Danzo knew how much Itachi cherished the peace within the village and he exploited that to make him commit mass murder, That's why it pisses me off when ppl say "it was Itachi's choice to murk his clan" like he wasnt a confused kid that was coerced by the village's corrupt leadership

[@jasonfoley6502]

Danzo, the two councillors and the hardliners in the Uchiha Clan

[@JuubiTaz]

the best answer so far 🙌

[@jasonfoley6502]

@@JuubiTaz indeed

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

I wloud say the elders but also the hidden leaf village as a whole are still bit responsible

[@AbHi12DaS]

I mean sasuke wasn't completely wrong although he was kind of like a spoiled child and i hated him for some actions but I don't know why but understand his acts and reason behind him ....... I can't boame him ....i mean if we ignore that itachi idiotically killed his own breathern because he couldn't negotiate or couldn't make right decision as a child how can we expect sasule to do so......... I might do the same thing if my whole family was slaughtered because of others benifits ..... I would die with my family than betraying them

[@itspapaghost6989]

Don’t blame my man Tobirama he’s a goat

[@JuubiTaz]

idk, u really want me to say he had no role in this?

[@TawshifShafi]

He is not goat. Pretends to be a goat doesn't means you are a goat. His most of discission literally makes problem leter.

[@AaronS4]

If only Itachi had more friends than sasuke wouldn't ended up so bad as he was.

[@cliffbot638]

He had Izumi and he killed her to

[@AaronS4]

@@cliffbot638 yeah a shame he didn't think about having her take care of sasuke and she definitely tell sasuke the truth.

[@cliffbot638]

@AaronS4 Tbh I'm not sure if she would. He would still kill he mother and leave her an orphan. Potentially with the Mangekyou but still..

[@AaronS4]

@@cliffbot638 will, she at least have sasuke with her.

[@jmcghane]

It didn't have to be this way if both sides would just sit down and talk about the issue instead of doing this cloak and dagger bs.

[@JuubiTaz]

yeah but diplomacy doesn't usually prevail

[@BruceWayne-yv1gu]

To me its a big plot hole and on the elders and third no uchia was capable of killing anbu and facing minato without a mangekyo plus kushina and sasuke mother were freinds shisui had no choice to sarfices himself to avert war and intrusted it all to itachi his gift to itachi came in handy down the line

[@beavers1978]

If we ignore the Black Zetsu retcon, which I'm still not a big fan of, I put the blame on Tobirama. All of this could've been potentially avoided if Tobirama had just sat down and talked to the Uchiha about how their Sharingan ties in to their mental and emotional state. I think this would've cushion the blow of the Uchiha feeling like they were being pushed out of political affairs and would help them train some of their younger Uchihas down the road, which would decrease the likelihood of another Madara rising and, in turn, would allow Tobirama to trust them more.

[@JuubiTaz]

That's true, he couldve tried to be more sympathetic to the clan. They remained loyal to the village after Madara left, so he should've given them the benefit of the doubt

[@narem1092]

itachi murdered his clan. he wasn't in a genjutsu or manipulated or anything, he was given a choice, simple.. Danzo: go kill everyone itachi: no, we are the strongest clan on the planet

[@adriantuesta1012]

Its minato fault for dying

[@JuubiTaz]

lmao

[@theswordzmaneditz347]

For me it's the entire shit village and the fascist religion/ Philosophy created by the biggest villain in the series hashirama along with that racist who made few of his students follow his racist anti Uchiha path

[@JuubiTaz]

now thinking that Hashirama is the bigger villain is a wild take 😂

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Yes the whole hidden leaf village was also responsible because they were racist towards the uchiha and use the wil of fire to justify their crimes the will of fire ideology is nothing but government propaganda bullshit

[@josegarza7719]

Itachi. He didn’t have to do it

[@Vlokkiee]

Uchiha should of just disbanded from the village instead of a coup

[@ADM.II.]

Why would the village allow one of the strongest clans, that is valuable during conflicts to leave? The sharingan was infamous for a reason........

[@Vlokkiee]

@@ADM.II. they don't have to allow them they could of just leave. Pretty sure that's a better options than just being eradicated

[@ADM.II.]

@@Vlokkiee *"They could just leave "* : if they could just leave then why did they plan the coup to the last minute. They didn't want to get uzumaki'd.

[@velcity4190]

​@@ADM.II.true

[@lenninho5113]

whose*

[@grandcanyon-d4d]

Does Sarada know about Itachi and the whole truth?

[@JuubiTaz]

apparently Sarada doesn't know shit about her clan

[@enma8441]

- Itachi had Shisuis eyes and story of Danzos betrayal and plot to murder the clan but kept quiet. - Hiruzen tried to talk with Uchiha clan but the clan was pushing for a coup - Fugaku couldn't keep his clan down after being given their own settlement and made head Of Konoha security because Uchiha wanted insight into government affairs because 'Madara and Hashirama made the village but lost Hokage spot to Hashirama in a battle Madara initiated' - Danzo was looking after the interest of the village and wanted to send Anbu and Anbu black to murder the clan at night but Hiruzen refused. While the village heads were right that 9 tails attack was caused by an Uchiha, it wasn't from a Uchiha currently serving as a citizen. And although killing Shisui was uncalled for, the distrust of Shisui using the kotoamatsukami on Konoha officials was a concerned from someone part of a clan planning a coup The blame is 100% on Itachi or Fugaku

[@MrL1G3R]

Black Zetsu

[@shredderedits69]

1 Itachi 2 Danzo 3 Third hokage 4 Obito 5 Fukagku Itachi is most fanfiction is rasict to the uchiha because they beat those 3 uchiha and say that they care only about the clan and their family like any normal person. I don't know if that Canon tho

[@anomanderrake3593]

Itachi is a hypocrite who chastises the clan for obsessing over the clan while sides with the village who is obsessed with the village.

[@shredderedits69]

@@anomanderrake3593 that's what im saying, that's why i dont like Itachi

[@velcity4190]

Bunch of itachi haters who don't even understand what happened. Dumbasses

[@chill_itsjustlife]

It's was Hogomoros fault.

[@grandcanyon-d4d]

How it's his fault his descendants were bunch of unstable emos even tho he tried to teach his son the right way ?

[@ChristopherAvila-q2i]

Had to fugaku

[@winstonnathaniel7725]

Itachi’s fault, if he didn’t literally massacre the clan this wouldn’t be a topic simple

[@JuubiTaz]

fair assessment

[@edw1n-z]

But if itachi didnt massacre the clan there would have been a civil war no?

[@NyleFosu]

Tobirama.

[@waynepayne864]

fuck it blame sasuke

[@JuubiTaz]

lmao

[@WilliamJones-ng5fi]

The one who killed the clan lol tf

[@JgWet]

The Uchiha are clan

[@JuubiTaz]

💀

[@JuubiTaz]

Danzo didnt wanna save any Uchiha, he just wanted their Sharingan

[@arsenewenger4847]

Obito has the worst motivations in the entire series. I know he said he didn’t start the war over Rin, however she is his main trigger and he mentions her several times as being his light and wanting to spend alone time with her.

[@PrinceSamTV]

The whole thing is just bad writing

[@Anti-ElJordinio7648]

The Uchiha clan are evil one here.

[@Anti-ElJordinio7648]

Let's not be real. The Uchiha Clan made a mistake the moment they formed the Leaf Village alongside the Senju.