Who Was Godefroy?

[@NerfPig]

“Man I hope I’m the elden ring dlc we have ever goals with very new relevant boss fights like renila queen of the crescent moon, morgman the omen earl, star inconvenience radhaniel, and maloonya blade of Michael.” Was my reaction to finding this boss.

[@grimcloud2701]

"Michael is mine and mine alone" "Hee hee..."

[@NerfPig]

@@grimcloud2701 How could I forget Nohg Lord of Bone marrow

[@joaoandrade4474]

Star inconvenience😂

[@Admiralofthedeeps]

I am dreading having to fight the Orange pug of Ramadan in the DLC.

[@yasininn76]

The fire bigger-than-average-person guy

[@rodrigonagamine4499]

Godfraud lol

[@cuteerebos2155]

That's the banner of the Stormhawk King. The Bird. The former ruler of Stormveil. Not Godefroy. Also both Godrick and Godefroy assaulted the royal capital together, with Kristoff imprisoning Godefroy and Godrick escaping with some riches.

[@LukeA.M.]

I don't know what specific lore mentions Godrick and Godefroy working together to invade Leyndell, but I have seen some people saying that they did it together, and that Godrick escaped because he's a coward, and I can't really disprove that. BUT, if they did invade Leyndell, then it would make sense that those banners are theirs, or at least just Godefroy's. It could be the Stormhawk King's since it's literally a bird, but I haven't found anything saying that The Stormhawk King invaded Leyndell, or was even alive at that time. I could be wrong, but it seems that The Stormhawk King was the ruler of Stormveil BEFORE Godfrey and his descendants (those who started grafting) took over and made it theirs. This is because The Stormhawk King is referred to as ancient, and it seems that the stormhawks are now loyal to the current Limgrave rulers, and have been for awhile. The lore around this stuff is pretty vague, but it doesn't make too much sense for the banners to not be Godefroy's. There's two different banners, and two people from Limgrave who led the attack on Leyndell. If there's any lore evidence as to why I'm wrong on any of this, feel free to let me know in this thread, because due to the nature of Soulsborne lore, one item description can dismantle an entire interpretation of something, which is annoying but hilarious at the same time. I just couldn't find anything saying it WASN'T Godefroy's, and it just makes sense because he did invade Leyndell, and we barely know anything about The Stormhawk King.

[@cuteerebos2155]

@@LukeA.M. Ok so let's do this one by one. Why do I believe Godefroy and Godrick invaded together: The Sword Monuments Describe two Defenses of Leyndell: 'The First Defense of Leyndell A sovereign alliance rots from within Traces yet remain of bloody conspiracy' 'The Second Defense of Leyndell The Fell Omen stacks high the corpses of heroes Yet the Erdtree remains unshaken' Only 2. One was Radagon, as we can see him getting demolished by Morgott in the Opening Cutscene. The First one was Godefroy, as stated in Kristoff's Ashes: 'After the First Defense of Leyndell, Kristoff earned the hero's honor of Erdtree Burial for the feat of capturing Godefroy the Grafted.' Unless Godrick invaded together with Radahn, which seems unlikely because they are competing demigods and Haight says 'then hid from Radahn in that castle', Godrick must have invaded with Godefroy. Now that's part one. Why do I believe the Symbol to be Stormhawk Kings? Two Item Descriptions: The Hawk Crest Wooden Shield's Description Reads: 'A tall, medium-sized wooden shield. Light for its size, and easy to handle. Adorned with a long-forgotten crest of Stormveil, ancient in design.' A crest that is ancient and from Stormveil points to the Stormhawk King. Not Godefroy. The Second Item Description is from the Ash of War Storm Blade: 'Lost skill of Stormveil. Surround armament with shearing storm winds that can be fired forward. Can be fired in rapid succession' This Ash of War flashes the Symbol of the Stormhawk King when it is used. Considering the Skill is lost (ancient) and uses 'shearing storms' (when winds raged like no other), it is probably the Stormhawk Kings Skill originally and not Godefroys. So yea. Here's my evidence. I guess it could be wrong, but you'd have to jump through quite a few loops to make Godefroy some ancient lost Master of Storms.

[@LukeA.M.]

@@cuteerebos2155 You're right about Godefroy and Godrick invading together, as there's even an item description for the Mimic Veil that says it was something Godrick escaped with from Leyndell. Basically, all I'm saying in the video is that Godefroy was there for the invasion and got captured in the evergaol, and it's cool that it was a reference to the story trailer. It would make sense for Godrick and Godefroy to be using the same banner (the one on the Godrick knight armor), but for some reason the stormhawk banners are in Leyndell, not Godrick's. Obviously the invasion of Leyndell took place a long time ago, but the timeline really isn't clearly laid out. My theory would have to be that the people of Limgrave (even Godrick and Godefroy's forces) have some sort of reverence to The Stormhawk King since it's on their banners and stuff. The people of Limgrave probably served The Stormhawk King before The Golden Order, which might be why they fight alongside stormhawks now and use their image in their banners and shields. In the Stormhawk Deenh item description it says that Deenh was a stormhawk who served a certain king in Limgrave. Perhaps that was Godefroy and so his banner had the bird on it, or Deenh just served The Stormhawk King a long time ago and the hawk image is just used because they are revered. I honestly do not know, I just thought that since Godefroy clearly invaded Leyndell, then maybe those banners were his since Godrick's is different, and I saw the same idea perpetuated in another video and thought it was cool.

[@cuteerebos2155]

@@LukeA.M. Tbf Godrick and Godefroy do use Wind based Attacks and deploy hawks in their army alongside Knights who also have Storm Based Powers. So the God-Family clearly has a lot of connection to the Old Rulers of Limgrave and may also use their heraldry. Who knows. Most of this is never stated. The relationship between the Golden Lineage and the Stormhawk King is left in the Dark for the most part.

[@crilleedara]

Bruh I though that Evergaol-fight was just another version of Godrick, not a separate character 😅 That is pretty cool

[@ShardofWant]

Yeah the dragon knight spirit ashes say that the knight Kristoff captured him during the Leyndell siege. I wish it said he was a demigod when you defeat him like it does with Goodrich though.

[@crilleedara]

@@ShardofWant Wow I had noo idea about that, that is so cool!!

[@nicholasshaw2912]

Chodefroy 😂

[@thatoneguy_hun]

Godefroy is the key to all lore

[@ZephyrNights]

I don’t think he was an ancestor- while this might be a lukewarm defence of a reskin, I’m pretty confident that Godefroy actually is a body double. He’s not mentioned by Morgott when talking about the thrones of the ‘wilful traitors’, and mentioned only in passing by a few memorials in the game world. What we know about Godrick on the other hand, is that he was a massive coward who hid when he knew he might be bested - first escaping Leyndell using the Mimic Veil, and hiding from Radahn in Stormveil. It’s unlikely that Godrick would have gone to the Altus battlefield personally, especially with the Fell Omen prowling, but his men would need a figure to rally around, and Godefroy would be Godricks physical representation on the battlefield - one that could be killed and replaced if necessary. If Godrick has the power of mimicry (he did steal that veil, after all), he might have used magic to cook up a body double to serve as his counterpart on the battlefield. The issue with this theory is of course that Godrick likely started grafting during the shattering, so a fully fledged Godefroy copy might be a little tricky to justify choronologically. Alternatively- given that grafting seems like a very scary, complicated thing, and Godrick is a huge coward- he might have designed his future body on another person first, before committing to grafting his own. It would be very funny and very in character for Godrick to see his grafted body double , followed loyally by thousands of men, lead the assault on the capital , feel inferior and jealous, and then start grafting himself identically using arguably inferior tarnished parts.

[@LukeA.M.]

I think it's a pretty cool theory. Trying to fill in the gaps are one of the best parts of these games.

[@linedpaper5374]

excellent insights and lore knowledge

[@ozblok7018]

At least Godrick knew to get his @ss out of there before things got back and was more experimenting with grafting leading the the creation of the Grafted scions

[@jimbotron8552]

source: I made it up

[@hugogogo13]

Very cool!

[@LukeA.M.]

Thanks!