Who Will Be Left Behind?

[@Cozy4evr]

No matter what happens I just want to be with Jesus for eternity and make sure my family friends be saved through repentance and the gospel

[@misswinnie4.8]

Ditto

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

Peter said the same thing. I say this so you can beware when a true test comes your way.

[@AlohaAngel1111]

AMEN!💯🙏♥️👍🥲

[@ShamelesslyRed]

Me too ❤️

[@fabfrenchies1974]

Repent and believe in the gospel, Amen!

[@taylor-bh8re]

I recently joined a house Church and I'm so grateful to the Lord for connecting me with these wonderful local saints right in my neighborhood. We have appointed elders and deacons, and we are beginning to build our own outreach ministry in which we carry the good news in an organized, methodical collaborative effort to seeking the Lord's Kingdom, and to search for His lost coins and wayward sheep, which we do in many ways, including Street evangelism, buying supplies for troubled teen outreach programs in our city, and music/preach the gospel ministry we take to nursing homes in our city. We are very small congregation of only about 30 people, but growing slowly. Praise God for bringing His people together to worship Him 🤩🥳

[@kjv1611john316]

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:17‭-‬18

[@davidwoods6015]

This is the 2nd coming, not any kind of rapture. There is not a Jesus U-turn toward heaven with believers in tow. Not at all. Jesus is descending earthward and continues downward. The entourage meets. Him in the air as He descends and they all come into the city amid much celebration. This is the arrival of the king borrowing from the welcoming committee legacy in the ancient world.

[@cmyarbrough61]

@@davidwoods6015 Not so...

[@lavieenrose5954]

Paul was writing to the Thessalonians about very real events, he was not writing to a reader 2000 years in the future. The bible is for us but it sure as heck is not to us. We’re reading someone else’s mail ❤

[@mchristr]

@@cmyarbrough61 "Not so.." isn't a refutation. It seems as if there's much hermeneutical study in your future. Blessings.

[@rgnold2517]

The second coming is this: Rev 1:7 behold, he comes with clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. The whole world sees him, (including the Jews) coming in the clouds and they wail .... Wail is not a happy word. Think of a mother being told her child is no more, it's a deep gutteral sound, made by one in inexpressible discord, with out hope. If this is the church's rapture why aren't they happy, why do they wail? It's their rescue, this is their Savior. This verse is a far cry different from: Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation Notice in this verse only those looking for him will he appear to. Not the whole world, not the Jews and there is no wailing! Most who are ready to see their Savior face to face believe in the pre-trib, those who are loving life and want to stay on for a while longer they usually side with the mid or post trib. To each his own, every one can read for themselves and those with Holy Spirit will be confident in their understanding. God bless.

[@michaellacoopman2303]

Unbelievable preacher 👏 all Glory be to God forever and ever, Amen!

[@rosemaryrojahn584]

He delivers up the kingdom to God, the Father, so that God may be all in all. One of the most beautiful and important passages of scripture. AMEN AND AMEN

[@lisacook2452]

Everytime you tell me you are not my pastor and to find one I feel despair ..you are what I found after seeking for years

[@angela76]

Don't despair, friend. You'll surely find the right home church at the right time. Pray for the right church to join or move and join Apologia. Arizona, right? /Hugs I prayed for you.

[@lisacook2452]

Thank you ❤️

[@Strutingeagle]

🎶 What a friend we have in Jeffrey 🎵

[@josiahgarrison647]

there is another KZbinr by the name of spencer smith that is similar to jeff durbin and he has a website that helps you find a good church in your local area. check it out

[@clearascrystal4960]

I learned early on to seek Jesus as my Teacher, and not to look to any one man as a pastor or teacher. Ask Him. I listen to many, but I depend on the Lord to show me Truth in whatever they say. Personally I see the danger of it seeking or counting on anyone. The Lord Himself will show you Truth. In fact, whatever one says the Bible says, I would say it's their understanding only no matter how many scriptures are tied together. Our thoughts are not His thoughts, our understanding is not His. So one may ask, "How can I know what Truth is?"... Psalm 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye. 9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

[@rosevirginiatasker7583]

I agree with you. I too had to learn by reading the bible. It is a journey which everyone needs to do. And came to the same place as you. There is no rapture, pre or mid. My husband just recently said when reading the wheat and the tares parable, that it was in support of that the wicked is taken away and burn. Not the righteous.

[@scwheeler24]

Rose Virginia Tasker yes same scenario

[@albertplaysguitar]

Yeah, the problem is that an informed premillennialist would know that. In the consistent premillennialism view, one would say that Jesus was talking about his return after the tribulation, not the rapture. You don't have to believe it, but it would be good to disavow the most convincing premillennial argument, not whatever Jeff is presenting, if that's what you're going for.

[@rosevirginiatasker7583]

@@albertplaysguitar ? Not sure in what you are saying. The Mount Olivet sermon was for that present time and the future. Still cannot see anything relating to the rapture at all.

[@albertplaysguitar]

@@rosevirginiatasker7583 . That's my point, it's not relating to the rapture. To argue against it is a strawman argument.

[@clearascrystal4960]

But, when Jesus likened it to the days of Lot and Noah, Lot was taken out of Sodom and Gomorrah, and Noah was taken out on an Ark. The righteous are taken out (in the rapture).

[@piefcake1]

“So you’ve been left behind? Go win the world!” Amen

[@britterz483]

"hands the kingdom to the Father... Done.." I just started clapping in front of my kiddos after Jeff said that. Wow.. So awesome!!!

[@marknathan6699]

Its so fantastic, scripture is a never ending well, Drink deep. Wow after Wow. As a grandfather my prayers are with you parents , especially moms.

[@bibleaddict1081]

Thank you, Mark. God bless you, brother.

[@joycecantere1470]

Thank you. I was a also a 90s Christian and I very much can relate to the teachings back then that left me confused and unsure for so long. I could not accept that the Kingdom is already here and yes the Bible is clear that it is yet to come. Thank you for sharing & giving clarity of the Good news of Jesus and His words.

[@MoodyDudey]

Yes and amen! To go a step further is the fact that what is referenced as Heaven having streets of gold, is actually in the new kingdom (New Jerusalem) which is IN Heaven, but is not Heaven itself. Which lines up with the fact that we don’t die and go to Heaven or “Hell”. Hell, or Gehenna, is actually the lake of fire. We are mortal beings. He does not give as the actual gift of immortality until the New Jerusalem comes down to the new Earth and we eat of the tree of life! I know, that’s a very deep and doctrine challenging topic, but it’s what the Bible says!🙂

[@suzannegriffiths4795]

Actually Jesus told us that the Kingdom of God is in our hearts. Look it up!

[@MoodyDudey]

@@suzannegriffiths4795 I know what you’re talking about! 😃 But the Kingdom is also not just to be fulfilled in our hearts but also at the end! The New Jerusalem comes down in Revelation 21. Btw can you give me a scripture reference for what you said?

[@KamalaKackles]

@@MoodyDudey Like 17:21 is often misquoted as being heart. It actually says within.

[@triciachampine5807]

@@MoodyDudey I would like to know where in the Bible it says that we are NOT eternal beings now. My understanding is that we ARE eternal beings now. And when our mortal bodies die here on this earth, if we are believers we go to Paradise, also called Abraham's Bosom (like with the thief on the cross), and if not then we go to the place where there is weeping and nashing of teeth, ie Hades, sheol, (as in the rich man & Lazarus story).

[@BHIPHOP91]

Pastor Jeff, you are a blessing!

[@davidwoods6015]

I left the left behind idea a long time ago. And this whole rapture concept, what a gag.

[@BHIPHOP91]

@@davidwoods6015 why do you think that it’s a gag?

[@tommodica2248]

Great teaching!

[@joeyrose1245]

I remember singing Wish We’d All Ready in the early 1980s in my Baptist church in Kentucky. Greek Message Pastor Jeff. Your words are very encouraging for me.

[@age365]

Even if we are left or we are taken we should still take care of all things God has entrusted us with. Even the earth

[@jessejimenez1793]

Adrian Anglemyer You don’t want to be left behind.....you better have it right you thinking is kind a lazy it’s like you don’t care if you are left behind....

[@gabrielamartiniuc6322]

@@jessejimenez1793Noah was left behind and the others that disobeyed were taken. (Killed)

[@jessejimenez1793]

No, my friend once left bien I’d

[@jessejimenez1793]

@@gabrielamartiniuc6322 no friend Noah was not left behind He was saved by the ark, type of christ…what about you? Had you got into the ark ?

[@scottponciroli6448]

Whaooo my mind is blown I've never looked it that way Jeff wow

[@vi683a]

I combat sin every hour of my life. I do not want to be left behind. I hurt.

[@cmyarbrough61]

If you are a born again believer in Jesus Christ, you will not be left behind but will hear the call of Jesus as He steps out on the clouds to call his children home (I Thessalonians 4: 13-18).

[@dva90]

I think you didn't understand what has being told in this video about who is getting left behind. 41:33

[@vi683a]

@@dva90The video is not relevant to my failures in regards to sin.

[@dva90]

@@vi683a I know, brother. I never said anything of that. I was talking about the rapture stuff. I hope your personal battle against sin is going in victory with the help of our God. God bless you.

[@vi683a]

@@dva90 I am not a pre-trib believer.

[@trfatman]

Pastor Jeff, I had to chuckle when you talked about that old song "from the 90's" and listening to DC Talk. I'm a little older than you, and I remember the brand new song by Larry Norman "I Wish We'd All Been Ready" that came out in 1972. Larry used the song as part of the soundtrack that he wrote for the original Rapture movie, "The Thief In The Night", which was shown in churches, theaters, college campuses and coffee houses in the 1970's. We invited all our friends to come see the movie with us, in the hope they would be scared all the way to the altar. Of course, we had our KJV Bibles with Scofield's notes in the margins, so we could answer their questions about the locusts with the long hair and scorpion tails. Wow, so much imagery came rushing back as you started quoting those lyrics. I left the dispensational camp decades ago, but since then, I have called myself an agnostic regarding eschatology. Yes, I believed that Jesus would return, but held to no particular traditional teaching. If you put a gun to my head, I probably leaned to Historic Pre-Mil. Recently, I felt that given the current events of the day, I would try taking another bite of the apple and see if I could be convinced by Scripture and sound teaching to a particular doctrine. My Pastor had recently preached through the Book of Revelation, so I started there. Although he claims to not be dispensational, he still believes and preaches a Pre Trib Rapture. The more I studied that, the more I realized I would never get there. Then I ran into a video by Bruce Gore on Eschatology, and was astounded when he started in the Old Testament, and pointed out the imagery God uses in His language when pronouncing and predicting judgement of the nations. From there, I moved to Dr. Ken Gentry and several of his videos. I downloaded his book "Before Jerusalem Fell" and David Chilton's book "Paradise Restored". Then I found your channel. All of you have helped to open my eyes, and my outlook on The Kingdom has fundamentally changed. No longer do I feel like we are polishing the brass on the Titanic, but that the Gospel will change the world! So, thank you for your part in my journey to Kingdom Building Christianity. I'm sure you know this, but our Pre Mil brethren would probably argue that in the examples of Noah and Lot, they were Divinely removed from the place of impending judgement, and all those left behind suffered the wrath of God. And likewise, in the End Times, God will remove His People before pouring out His Wrath and destruction upon The World (their argument, not mine). Just wanted to share and thank you for your part in my journey to a Post Mil understanding. "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven"!!

[@LB-sw2km]

I remember DC Talk . I remember feeling darkness when I listened to them. I can still feel that darkness when I think about it. Never understanding why. But now I see ! Thank you Jesus .

[@dva90]

They are not perfect but they got many theologically correct bangers. 🔥🔥

[@LB-sw2km]

@@dva90 discernment of spirits . There's a bad one behind their music. But you do u

[@Longe]

Yes, you ARE my pastor. Much better having a KZbin pastor that subject myself to spiritual abuse again!

[@iammeyouareyou3251]

I plead with you brother, heed his words.

[@Longe]

@@iammeyouareyou3251 As for me and MY house, I shall serve the LORD!

[@iammeyouareyou3251]

@@Longe I don't think you understand what I meant. I'm talking about what he said in regard to a local body of believers.

[@Longe]

@@iammeyouareyou3251 I know exactly what you meant & I disagree with you.

[@iammeyouareyou3251]

@@Longe Question: What is your defense for your position held regarding the matter, what makes it wise to hold that position?

[@Gregorybridgewater]

Wonderful teaching! Finally the dots connect!

[@joannepane7693]

Heaven into earth!! YES! God is bringing heaven and earth together again! YES! Heaven and earth are FULL of HIS GLORY! Great teaching!

[@enriquemartinez6121]

TRUST IN THE LORD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND LEAN NOT TO YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING; IN ALL YOUR WAYS ACKNOWLEDGE HIM, AND HE WILL DIRECT YOUR PATHS.” PROVERBS 3:5-6 NKJV 😇🙏

[@DianaPrinceWhiting]

Brilliant. Finally Ive found a pastor who know the truth. Noah was left behind...all that stuff about Rapture. Glory to God cos the Truth really does set free those taken captive by misinformation and deception. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@chrisstanfill9983]

The nation of Israel has ALWAYS been referred to as a fig tree in the Old Testament. Jesus, cursing the fig tree is in direct reference to his parable on the gardener, asking the landowner for one more season. Jesus saying no fruit is saying, the nation of Israel will bear no fruit, meaning they will not believe in Jesus. This is why Jesus is on the mountain, saying how long I’ve wanted to gather you under my wing but because you’re not willing, you will not see me again until you call out blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Your teaching only says that Jesus is not referring to the rebirth of Israel in that passage, then what is he referring to?

[@4486johnboy]

I have listened to hours and hours of your teachings,debates, preaching and you witnessing. I appreciate you and I know you are a born again believer. This is one topic I do disagree with you on respectfully. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. I am willing to give my life for Jesus if needed but by my faith in him by the Grace of God and the precious blood that was shed I whole heartedly believe that all of Gods wrath has already been paid for my sin. I also believe the Tribulation isn’t meant for the church but to the Jew that rejected him. You are very knowledgeable and go deep into scripture and I appreciate that. Be blessed brother

[@lisareynolds64]

In the days of Noah, the wicked suffered His wrath...they all died! Noah floated on the water with everything he needed to survive.

[@makarov138]

Daniel was told to seal up the prophecy because it was "far" or "long." The prophecy was concerning the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. In the Revelation John is told to NOT seal up the words because the time was "near" or "soon." Daniel was written around 400-500BC, which makes "far" to mean roughly 470-570 years. So the "near" or "soon" CANNOT be more years than what "far" as already been defined by the angel! Jesus said he was coming "SOON!" Not 2000 years later!! Words have meaning. And scripture defines their meaning!

[@lavieenrose5954]

Amen 👍🏽❤️🙏🏽

[@robertknight3354]

From time to time I look at this comment. Obviously you took one of the minor details and you knocked it out of the park with logic. I keep checking on this comment though to see it it's being refuted.....still no comers. Amen, brother.

[@KamalaKackles]

Interesting.

[@robertknight3354]

Clearly Revelation was telling of the massive event ready to unfold in 70A.D. By which the universe felt the changes. All heaven was waiting for and then came to see its passing. Completely new covenant. A different world in fact I most ways. The hope of all mankind. The end to the covenant breakers. The end to the exclusive pact for them. The beginning of salvation for any tribe, skin, group or family under God's grace. The end to the blood sacrifice. The ushering in of the Holy Spirit of God over the creation to guide it. The opening of the flood gates to gentiles everywhere to spread His word of the WHOLE EARTH to His people. These things are MASSIVE and it was all finished over the course of one generation just as Christ told. He did exactly what He said He would exactly the time and ways He said He would. Praise God.

[@makarov138]

@@robertknight3354 BOOM! YOU GOT IT!

[@toddmcrae3834]

If you take unfullfilled prophecy literally, you will be a dispensationalist. I just believe based on the book of revelation that God still has a future plan for Israel.

[@davidcrane6593]

yes.... jeff is wrong here... and its VERY OBVIOUS.... jeffs makes the WHOLE discourse about destruction of the temple.... and leaves out the the question that was asked...."and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?.... yes The Lord LOVES the Jewish people and this is NOT simply judgement on "THEM" as jeff says...-->[Rom 11:1 KJV] 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.

[@robertknight3354]

@@davidcrane6593 It is end of the age. What translation are you reading "end of the world"?

[@robertknight3354]

When John wrote revelation this plan WAS future. So I agree. It was a fulfilment to come, not yet finished. When John wrote it the temple still stood. Very soon after the judgement was fulfilled and Israel crushed, Temple torn apart.

[@jrconway3]

@@robertknight3354 Its commonly believed that Revelation was written in 95 AD. The "late date" of Revelation. That automatically means it must be a distant future event. After doing a lot of research I just don't see how it could possibly be the late date anymore. After writing Revelation he went out and preached the Gospel more. ...as an 80-90 year old man? I previously believed John basically died shortly after writing Revelation, but the evidence doesn't seem to add up. Also, supposedly in one of Paul's epistles it implies that was the final written text of Scripture (2 Timothy I believe) which means Revelation absolutely must be mid-60's.

[@robertknight3354]

@@jrconway3 Revelation was written prior to 70 A.D.

[@kenshiloh]

Off the topic a bit, I encourage you never trust anyone - a pastor, a friend, or even your own judgment - as to whether you are saved. If you are saved, GOD will let you know. You will be filled with the Holy Spirit and you will be firends with God. Instead of resting in denominational doctrines, I encourage you to check out Romans 8.16. If you trust in the promises of God, and humbly ask, you will receive. Only, never doubt; a double-minded man will never receive anything from God. All the best to you and yours. And may you, like me, live every moment of every day in absolute security of your salvation!

[@clearascrystal4960]

That's probably the first I've heard anyone say. :) Yes, the Lord God will prove Himself to anyone who seeks Him in truth.

[@evangellyfishlife8479]

What is so awesome about this teaching is the fact that it connects the dots for us, everything Jesus says to the church leaders in the parables pertain to what Jeff is saying here, Jesus is not just arbitrarily condemning the church leaders of his day but he is warning them that judgment is coming upon them rapidly

[@scwheeler24]

Evangellyfish Life right. For years I had questions no one could answer except maybe “there are some things we may never understand “. Now they are answered! It all makes sense

[@evangellyfishlife8479]

Cheeky Nonconformist for years I saw the New Testament as being very inconsistent and confusing and then I started understanding what it really meant to interpret scripture with scripture and everything became much clearer to me. Jeff’s sermons are a great example of allowing the scripture to interpret it self which is why I love the sermons he’s doing

[@GlenAdamson101]

Watching from Northern Ireland. Thank you Jeff

[@millball]

Any postmill churches in norn iron?

[@GlenAdamson101]

@@millball yes one not too far from me

[@clintb5397]

THIS TEACHING IS INCORRECT. 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will RISE FIRST ! Then we who are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP ! together with them IN THE CLOUDS ! to meet the Lord IN THE AIR ! And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

[@davidfoster2338]

the teaching here is from the perspective of Matthew 24 being completely fulfilled in 70 A.D. and that it is in no way associated with the end of the World but the end of the age of the Temple and sacrifices. Jeff believes the verses you are referring to happens at the very end, at the second coming and is about the resurrection as you have stated. Perhaps the teachings you have been given about Matthew 24 and the end times are incorrect. I used to believe the way you do about this stuff, but the Bible changed my mind about it.

[@christianserna9528]

Wow, what an intro 👏 "find a local church get plugged in to a local church" "make sure your giving doesn't interfere with your giving at your church" no one on the internet says this and if there are some that say that it's very few

[@smytb]

Yes, I loved that part also! The rest of the lesson...Not so much! I am a strong believer in the Pre Tribulation Rapture. I see that it IS in the Bible!

[@ChristisLord2023]

​@@smytbhave you tried comparing both exegetes of scripture and seeing how both views fit into relevant passages and scripture as a whole?

[@smytb]

@Anthony Bardin Yes, several times. And the only way everything fits together seamlessly is with the Rapture in the Pre-Tribulation time frame! Post or mid trib just doesn't work, at all!

[@cmyarbrough61]

He also said find a "REFORMED CHURCH" who's theology is based on Manichean Fatalistic Determinism

[@lavieenrose5954]

@@smytb I pity you pretrib believers and that’s the truth cos you’ll be waiting for the rest of your life for a rapture that will not happen. God bless you ❤

[@Ant794]

Love Jeff but still am not convinced of this eschatology view, however we should all study for ourselves

[@Finalsuspect1468]

I wasn't convinced, but I'm reading "When the Man Comes Around" by Doug Wilson and its changed my views entirely. It's a very well done commentary on the book of Revelation. I'd reccomend it if you're interested in seeing more of the Post mil view.

[@Ant794]

jwags yeah thanks for the recommendation but I noticed that when I put so much time into these eschatological views I just get confused in all honesty. It takes my focus off the Bible as a whole and the Pre mellinium view has always made the most sense to me. If I was to sit down and read the sermon on the mount by myself without knowing any views about it, I feel that I would believe that Jesus is coming in the future

[@Finalsuspect1468]

@@Ant794 I can understand that, I would say to keep in mind that Jesus wasn't speaking to modern (I'm assuming American) Christian's. He was speaking to 1st century Jews that understood the context behind that message, we have to view scripture in that regard.

[@Ant794]

jwags so do you believe that this is the kingdom?

[@Finalsuspect1468]

@@Ant794 I believe that Christ brought the Kingdom to earth, and it is advancing to this day.

[@williamabraham6349]

1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[@chrisdc1689]

read that from verse 13.

[@N81999]

@@chrisdc1689yep thats right we who are alive…. Doesnt require for it to be something that would happen in their life time but to their people. Im an American but I can still say “we” when referring to us Americans beating the British in the revolutionary war. Same thing but reversed😁

[@lavieenrose5954]

We’re reading someone else’s mail ❤

[@maseca2397]

Preterism. I'm born again and was always a dispensationalist until I heard preterist teaching and then suddenly my eyes were opened by God and I was truly set free like never before. And, I was no longer confused. Gary DeMar is another great preterist.

[@christincommon5496]

If this is the literally 1,000 year reign of Christ, why do we have children being sacrificed to Satan? Every abomination under the sun is happening on this planet because Satan is manipulating mankind. Also, in the Book of Revelation, we are told that the dead in Christ who did not receive the Mark of the beast came to life to reign with Christ for 1,000 years. If this is the reign of Christ, who was the antichrist and when did people take the mark and when did all those graves break open?

[@jayveebee1076]

@@christincommon5496 When one ponders the points you presented one can only conclude that preterists and Postmills are reading Scripture with one eye closed.

[@jalenthomas1944]

A month ago I was reading the other accounts in Matthew about the time of judgement and I came to this same understanding on who would be left behind in Matthew 24z It’s pretty cool to see someone else who has come to this understanding. This is consistent with the order o judgement in Revelation, the sermon on the mount, the parable of the weeds and the wheat, and the parable of the fish which Jesus tells earlier in Matthew.

[@adriana-simonamoco8239]

God bless you brother! I.m a romanian Listen to your teachings. I apreciate your work for Jesus!! 🙏🙏❤️

[@peteryang2067]

Thank you Pastor Jeff, you just revealed and shook all my inbiblical baggage and assumptions, for His glory.

[@JesusIsComing1111]

FEman 1023 what he is teaching is off...www.alankurschner.com/2019/09/05/a-reply-to-jeff-durbins-mishandling-the-left-behind-passage/

[@HartyBiker]

I've grown up in a generally amil/post mil church (the 2 aren't really so different), and I remember being so confused about Jesus’s words in Matthew 24 about one being taken and the other left. I've never believed in a secret rapture of the church, or any of that premil/dispy stuff, but so strong is the dispensational influence, that even in the ranks of non-dispensational churches, we have forgotten the context of those verses and are left scratching our heads as to how to understand them. Thank you for this message, it makes so much more sense to me now, and yes, as you said, it is so much more simple and obvious when you just take it in context. It's one of those things that once it's pointed out I'm left thinking, "how could I ever have missed something so obvious?"

[@LawrenceKennard]

I've been studying the Bible for years and now you just screwed me up doggone you Jeff!

[@szilvialakatos1519]

The wicked is not the one being raptured the bible says first the dead who's in Christ shall rise then we who are alive shall be cought up together in the sky and meet the Lord and be with him. I also believe some Christians will be left I don't know maybe those lukewarm ones but if they repent they will be forgiven. Looking at the comment people are literally praising this man for a wrong teaching open your eyes people study ur bible the wicked is staying why would God pour out his wrath on Christ believers those who are in Christ? Does that not sound stupid? The wrath of God is for the wicked that's why they will be here and they will even then curse God and many will know it's God and will repent

[@SV-Flying-Tigress]

Keep studying....I don't think Jeff is scripturally well-supported on this one; I took his challenge to be a Berean and read both stories (Noah, Lot/Sodom) and take IS used there and it means to rescue out of the calamity - exactly the opposite of what Jeff is suggesting. Also, I read all of Matthew 24 and Jesus uses an analogy of himself as a "thief" coming to take valuables from the strong man. The theory of the church going through the full of the great Tribulation creates big scriptural dissonance elsewhere and Jeff not even acknowledging or dealing with that to present the balance of scripture; he seems to be trying to force scripture into the mold of a doctrine more than just reading all of it and creating a conclusion that seems most natural.

[@bassfacestudio7975]

@@beppiek not really lol

[@vi683a]

I live in a Catholic dominated society. Finding the elder here is night impossible when i do not follow Catholicism.

[@drummerboy737]

“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” - Matthew 24:21 (KJV) “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” - Daniel 12:1 (KJV)

[@joeynelms]

Amen! That's the "he" in 2 Thessalonians.

[@vilicus77]

A person can make the Bible say anything.

[@joeynelms]

@Domagoj Golubić Of course. That is the WHOLE focus of the Bible. That's where EVERYTHING will happen. The antichrist isn't coming for America. He's going after Israel. If you can read.

[@joeynelms]

@Domagoj Golubić What are you talking about? We gentiles are grafted *INTO* Israel. Romans 11. We *DO NOT* replace Israel. We are the ''gentiles call by God's name" in Amos 9. Jesus was talking to the "fathers" of the church in Matthew 24. So, Yes we will be going through the great tribulation. Thankfully it will be cut short when Jesus comes back in the clouds with great glory. Just like Jesus *AND* Paul tell us.

[@joeynelms]

@Domagoj Golubić No, we are supported by the root. We are grafted into the tree. Romans 11;17-22 - *17* And if some of the *branches* be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in *among them,* and *with them* partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; *18* Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. *19* Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. *20* Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. *Be not highminded, but fear:* *21* For if God spared not the natural branches, *take heed lest he also spare not thee.* *22* Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: *otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.*

[@robertzeurunkl8401]

41:06 will take you straight to the point.

[@jayveebee1076]

I find it difficult to believe that Noah and his family were the ones "left behind". Any serious student of Scripture knows those left behind were swept away by the flood and Noah was lifted above the danger much like those who are Raptured will be lifted away from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole Earth.

[@melhanisch6284]

All I can say is 🤯 and an absolute AMEN! Perspective shift. Thank you for this, so much!

[@melindat419]

Excellent...I have not heard a message quite like this regarding Christians being left behind!

[@JesusWordApologetics]

Actually, disagree with Jeff's interpretation of Matthew 24:34, Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Many will focus on the word 'generation' or 40 years as an amount of time that progresses from 1948, but the focus should be on the words 'will not pass away' as the amount of time that will elapse. I believe Psalm 90:10 answers this question in that 'We live for 70 years, or 80 years if we're healthy'. Therefore, 70 to 80 years is the correct answer, hence between 2018 to 2028 would be the more correct interpretation.

[@davidcrane6593]

i disagree also with his interpretation.... its easy to see(among MANY things) 1. fig tree does NOT represent destruction as Jesus tells Nathanael--> [Jhn 1:48-51 KJV] 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man. and 2. as you point out "all these things have happened"--->[Luk 21:22 KJV] 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

[@Finalsuspect1468]

Christ was clearly speaking to the generation on front of him. He didn't say the generation that will come in 1900 years. He said "This generation" and spoke of wars and rumors of war (the end of the Pax Romana), fleeing to the mountains, that not one brick would remain of the temple etc... all of which happened in 70 AD

[@JesusWordApologetics]

@@Finalsuspect1468 I believe the reason why Matthew 24:34-35 is seen in a future tense is due to the preceding and proceeding verses. Preceding verses such as Matthew 24:30-31, At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. *They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven*, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and *they will gather His elect* from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:30-31, "coming on the clouds "... "loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds", is at the end of days. Same with the proceeding verses as well: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the *coming* of the Son of Man", Matthew 24:36-37. I believe Jeff is wrong on his eschatological view. God bless!

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

*_My views on why I strongly believe a PRE-TRIBULATION rapture of the current church (born again):_* *1)* Note the elders with *gold crowns* in Revelation 4:4 ? We (Christians) get crowns when we stand before Jesus one day. The elders praising Jesus in Revelation 5:8-10, from every nation, tribe and tongue! This is a clear sign of the church being up in heaven *before* Jesus *opens the seals to start the tribulation* -> *chapter 6.* More on this seen in link below: *NEW PROOF The Rapture is Pre-Trib! THIS WILL BLOW YOUR MIND!!!! - Cornelius Jones* kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ-pooxueJeCY6s *2)* The traditional Hebrew marriage custom perfectly fits as symbolism for what Jesus will do for His Bride (Born of Jesus' Holy Spirit today). Watch these video below for more details on the other traditional Hebrew marriage customs to clearly mirror what Jesus does for His Bride (Church): *Biblical Marriage Customs Related to End Times - John Ankerberg Show* kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHeagIl4rZymY7M *Jesus and His Bride by Pastor Charles Lawson* kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGXKiqd4pd12o6c *THE JEWISH WEDDING--THE RAPTURE, STEP BY STEP* kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZubcp9re5ZsZtE *3)* The main point of the tribulation is to make people repent and turn to God so they don't wind up in hell forever. That's why you see, multiple times in Revelation, certain people *still not* _repenting_ after *a seal* was opened by Jesus. Christians don't need to repent since we're already Born of Gods Holy Spirit. The church is sealed, sanctified, justified and washed from all of our past injustice. We're done with our salvation before the tribulation even hit! Therefore it makes sense why we're _taken out of the way_ before the tribulation starts. Christians don't need to repent! We see Jesus saying that He shall *keep this church FROM the hour of trial (tribulation) that shall come upon the whole earth* in Revelation 3:10. That looks like a pre-trib (pre-trial) rapture to me. *4)* _After_ the church marries Jesus and is _then_ at the *marriage supper* up in heaven, we (the wife of Jesus) ride out of heaven on horses, following Jesus down to Earth to judge the wickedness of satan and all his minions. *The Church is not down on Earth* when Jesus arrives for His Second Coming! Revelation 19:6-9 - "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the *_Marriage of the Lamb_* is come, and *_His wife_* hath made herself ready. And to *_her_* was granted that *_she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white:_* for the *_fine linen_* is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, *Blessed are they which are called unto the **_Marriage supper of the Lamb._* And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God." Revelation 19:14 -- "And *_the armies_* which were *in heaven* _followed_ *Him* upon white horses, *_clothed in fine linen, white and clean."_* ^ The Church is Jesus' wife, the armies _clothed in fine linen, white and clean,_ *following* Him on white horses *OUT OF* heaven to *be a part of* His second coming! Before that riding out of heaven, the wife (church) is seen in heaven marrying Jesus *and then* also going to the marriage supper of the Lamb. *5)* Enoch was not a Hebrew (Jew) yet he was *raptured* before the great flood (Gods wrath) hit; Enoch could symbolically represent the rapture of the non-Hebrew church ('neither Jew nor Gentile') *before* the great tribulation hits! *Noah* could symbolize Israel, who is saved *through* this time of trial; though they're not taken directly out of it. *6)* The *Restrainer* must be taken out of the way first, as Paul said, in order for the wicked one (antichrist) to come forth into action and, we who are born of that Restrainer (Holy Spirit of Jesus), _must_ therefore be taken out of the way with Him! *7)* See in Revelation 7:9-14, how the masses of people seen in heaven, who came out of great tribulation, these people are said to have *washed THEIR OWN robes* in the blood of the Lamb? When you read verses about current Christians, it says that *Jesus Himself washed us!* Christians are not in the same grouping as the "tribulation saints" in Rev. 7. Revelation 1:5-6 -- _"And from Jesus Christ, Who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth. Unto _*_Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,_*_ And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."_ Revelation 5:8-10 -- _"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and _*_four and twenty elders_*_ fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for _*_Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood_*_ out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast _*_made us unto our God kings and priests:_*_ and we shall reign on the earth."_ Revelation 7:9-14 -- _"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, "Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen." And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, "What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?" And I said unto him, "Sir, thou knowest." And he said to me, _*_"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."_* I believe that during the tribulation, the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) is taken out of the way, therefore no one can be *born again of the Holy Spirit of God* during this time period. The only way to be saved entirely is to die for their faith in Jesus, and most of that dying happens due to being beheaded by the antichrist. So this is them ("tribulation saints") *washing their own* robes. Whereas today, in the current dispensation ("age of grace"), we *can* be born again of the Holy Spirit (Restrainer) of God. When we accept Jesus into our heart, *HE* washes us from all unrighteousness. Salvation by grace, not by works --> JESUS washed us; JESUS did the entire work for us. *WE* don't 'wash our own robes.' At the end of Revelation 7, the elder clearly speaks of these people, who came out of great tribulation, *as a different group from any others.* *8)* We read in *Revelation 20:4* that John *saw thrones and they that sat upon those thrones, judgment was given unto them.* Who are they on the thrones? If anyone remembers from one of Pauls' letters: 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 -- _"Do ye not know that the _*_saints shall judge the world?_*_ And if _*_the world shall be judged BY YOU,_*_ are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? _*_Know ye not that we shall judge angels?_*_ How much more things that pertain to this life?"_ Based on that I'd say the individuals seen sitting on those thrones are the entire (born again) church, and they're distinctly separate from the souls John saw who were beheaded during the tribulation, then resurrected (Rev. 20:4) after the second coming of Jesus. Whereas the wife (church) already came down with Jesus in Revelation *19,* riding on white horses. Two different groups, not the same. - *7 Reasons to trust the Pre-trib Rapture - Andy Woods* kzbin.info/www/bejne/pouloIaXfJlggbs *10 Truths about the Rapture - Andy Woods* kzbin.info/www/bejne/pquqlqKFbZmorJI *Matthew 24 Explained Rightly Divided Proving Pretribulation Rapture - Robert Breaker* kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKmshqOhgc5qec0 *Explaining the Mystery of the 7th Trump - Perry Stone:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/g32ooXuimKaSppY *Pre Trib Doctor Gives Post Trib Rapture PROOFS! - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/f368o395nrOFfa8 *3 PART HARVEST OF SOULS & RAPTURE EXPLAINED IN 15 MIN! - Perry Stone* kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3bVpHyCqbubZ9U *WATCH OUT! There are TWO Raptures Coming Soon! - Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKibeXV9rrRgi68 *Pre-trib or Post-trib Rapture? (Part 1) - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYCZhKdupq5nbdk *Pre-trib or Post-trib Rapture? (Part 2) - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/jonGinqnh5Kafrs *MOST INTENSE VIDEO on 2 Thess. 2 Post Trib Rapture - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4KxhmuchZl3o9E *Oh Where to Put the Rapture? Before or After Tribulation? - Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYmoZ4SwbJaXoJo *DEBUNKED! Two Popular Proofs against Pre-Tribbers - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHPVgGqPe7ionZo *Too Many Evidences for Pre Trib Rapture!!! - Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZacm2ewbs11gpo *Complete PREVIEW of the RAPTURES! Pre-Trib / Mid-Trib / Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Explained - Steve Cioccolanti* kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3zUgqiKhZisp9U

[@kylec8950]

Generation = 40 years. To HIS IMMEDIATE AUDIENCE whic he said in 30AD 30+40 = 70AD . It occured exactly as Christ said! Wow!

[@JOHNNYPIE3221hodge]

He's got it wrong......WE do NOT and can not make the church impotent! WE don't have that power! Scripture clearly says, "I, (God), will build my Church!"

[@interrupts165]

Let the Bible speak.

[@vilicus77]

No, the Bible is a collection of writings from ignorant pseudo-philosophers who thought the Earth was the center of the universe and that it is morally upright to stone people to death. We have better books in the library.

[@interrupts165]

R. Miller Well I wish you were saying that just to get a rise out of people. But if you truly believe that and god does not exist then you will have your eyes opened very very soon. God still loves you despite that and you will have an opportunity to truly repent and ask for his mercy but you will have to go through some terrible times.

[@vilicus77]

@@interrupts165 That is not true at all. I know you believe that and it gives you comfort, but you do not know a god exists--you just have faith one does. Faith is a poor way of arriving at truth. I don't need it.

[@interrupts165]

R. Miller The world is filled with people who say they do not need God and look at where we are and how we have destroyed everything. You know deep down and by the evidence of creation that everything is existence did not come from nothing. So therefore something had to create it, and you are given a consciences that give you your morals. You can not deny there is something that has the ability to create life. But because we live in a fallen creation we want to live however we want with no rules telling us how we should live, so you reject this notion of God. But I tell you wether you believe in him or not you will have to stand before him. So what’s the worst that can happen from trying to believe if gods word is true and seek scripture for yourself. The worst thing is, is that when your dead there is nothing and base case you stand before a holy god and are accounted worthy. But because you don’t want to believe you will remain blind but if in fact if you came to scripture with a willingness to want to understand what is all this talk about faith, you would in fact change. That being said I pray you will understand soon brother and you will still be given a chance that chance to come to Jesus.

[@vilicus77]

@@interrupts165 Sorry, but your statements include several logical fallacies. When a person makes a statement that cannot be rationally supported, it is unlikely to be an effective strategy for convincing people you are correct. For example, I am unconvinced by your response. You write, “The world is filled with people who say they do not need God and look at where we are and how we have destroyed everything.” I do not understand why you think we have destroyed “everything.” That is not true-it is hyperbolic in the extreme and unserious. We have obviously not destroyed everything. In fact, the world in getting better. People live longer, they are more educated, and war deaths have drastically decreased. You then say that I know “deep down” that there is a god because of creation. You clearly do not know what I know-you have made a baseless assertion. You are projecting your own beliefs about reality onto what you think I must inwardly know. You are not correct. The second mistake you make in this sentence is that you refer to the universe as a creation. By default, a creation has a creator. You assume the very thing you need to demonstrate. There is no evidence for a creator. Nobody in the scientific community thinks the universe came from nothing. You have set up a straw man. I don’t think the universe came from nothing-you point falls flat. Concerning morality: take a look at Exodus 21; the biblical god permits slavery. Some moral system. Please try to not assume what other people think. It is harder to ask them, but you will have an honest conversation.

[@BillSmith-p5p]

I’ve been thinking this for a while but I’m so glad you’ve been able to formulate an argument for this exact point. A point I’d like to point out is that humans did not eat animals in the Garden of Eden. Why do we eat animals now?

[@DeePSeVN]

I’m sorry Mr. Durbin but though I do comprehend this points of view I do not recognize it eschatologically. Problem 1 is 1 Thessalonians 4:17 “Then shall we which live and remain, be caught up with them also in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” as well as Matthew 24: 31 “And he shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect, from the four winds, and from the one end of the heavens unto the other.” which leads to problem 2 in Revelation 21:2. In order for the bride of Christ to descend, must she not be taken up first?

[@Chico60Colt]

@John Sheffield you are going to have a serious problem with what you are saying. First is I would argue that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is talking about the final resurrection of the dead and final judgment before the great White Thrown not a rapture before a tribulation. On Matthew 24:31 I would ask you what are we doing right now when we preach the Gospel Gods elect are saved? But your real problem comes with your 2nd point from Revelation 21:2 and how in order for the bride of Christ to descend she must be taken first. Your answer come in Revelation 20:11-15 the final resurrection of the dead and final judgment where everyone is taken before the throne and judged and then those who are saved return with Christ to a new earth.There is no mention of a rapture before that in Revelation I would agree if you want to call the resurrection of the dead and final judgment the rapture but there is not a rapture before a great tribulation.

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

@@Chico60Colt ​ *_My views on why I strongly believe a PRE-TRIBULATION rapture of the current church (born again):_* *1)* Note the elders with *gold crowns* in Revelation 4:4 ? We (Christians) get crowns when we stand before Jesus one day. The elders praising Jesus in Revelation 5:8-10, from every nation, tribe and tongue! This is a clear sign of the church being up in heaven *before* Jesus *opens the seals to start the tribulation* -> *chapter 6.* More on this seen in link below: *NEW PROOF The Rapture is Pre-Trib! THIS WILL BLOW YOUR MIND!!!! - Cornelius Jones* kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZ-pooxueJeCY6s *2)* The traditional Hebrew marriage custom perfectly fits as symbolism for what Jesus will do for His Bride (Born of Jesus' Holy Spirit today). Watch these video below for more details on the other traditional Hebrew marriage customs to clearly mirror what Jesus does for His Bride (Church): *Biblical Marriage Customs Related to End Times - John Ankerberg Show* kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHeagIl4rZymY7M *Jesus and His Bride by Pastor Charles Lawson* kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGXKiqd4pd12o6c *THE JEWISH WEDDING--THE RAPTURE, STEP BY STEP* kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZubcp9re5ZsZtE *3)* The main point of the tribulation is to make people repent and turn to God so they don't wind up in hell forever. That's why you see, multiple times in Revelation, certain people *still not* _repenting_ after *a seal* was opened by Jesus. Christians don't need to repent since we're already Born of Gods Holy Spirit. The church is sealed, sanctified, justified and washed from all of our past injustice. We're done with our salvation before the tribulation even hit! Therefore it makes sense why we're _taken out of the way_ before the tribulation starts. Christians don't need to repent! We see Jesus saying that He shall *keep this church FROM the hour of trial (tribulation) that shall come upon the whole earth* in Revelation 3:10. That looks like a pre-trib (pre-trial) rapture to me. *4)* _After_ the church marries Jesus and is _then_ at the *marriage supper* up in heaven, we (the wife of Jesus) ride out of heaven on horses, following Jesus down to Earth to judge the wickedness of satan and all his minions. *The Church is not down on Earth* when Jesus arrives for His Second Coming! Revelation 19:6-9 - "And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the *_Marriage of the Lamb_* is come, and *_His wife_* hath made herself ready. And to *_her_* was granted that *_she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white:_* for the *_fine linen_* is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, *Blessed are they which are called unto the **_Marriage supper of the Lamb._* And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God." Revelation 19:14 -- "And *_the armies_* which were *in heaven* _followed_ *Him* upon white horses, *_clothed in fine linen, white and clean."_* ^ The Church is Jesus' wife, the armies _clothed in fine linen, white and clean,_ *following* Him on white horses *OUT OF* heaven to *be a part of* His second coming! Before that riding out of heaven, the wife (church) is seen in heaven marrying Jesus *and then* also going to the marriage supper of the Lamb. *5)* Enoch was not a Hebrew (Jew) yet he was *raptured* before the great flood (Gods wrath) hit; Enoch could symbolically represent the rapture of the non-Hebrew church ('neither Jew nor Gentile') *before* the great tribulation hits! *Noah* could symbolize Israel, who is saved *through* this time of trial; though they're not taken directly out of it. *6)* The *Restrainer* must be taken out of the way first, as Paul said, in order for the wicked one (antichrist) to come forth into action and, we who are born of that Restrainer (Holy Spirit of Jesus), _must_ therefore be taken out of the way with Him! *7)* See in Revelation 7:9-14, how the masses of people seen in heaven, who came out of great tribulation, these people are said to have *washed THEIR OWN robes* in the blood of the Lamb? When you read verses about current Christians, it says that *Jesus Himself washed us!* Christians are not in the same grouping as the "tribulation saints" in Rev. 7. Revelation 1:5-6 -- _"And from Jesus Christ, Who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth. Unto _*_Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,_*_ And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."_ Revelation 5:8-10 -- _"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and _*_four and twenty elders_*_ fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for _*_Thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood_*_ out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast _*_made us unto our God kings and priests:_*_ and we shall reign on the earth."_ Revelation 7:9-14 -- _"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, "Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen." And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, "What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?" And I said unto him, "Sir, thou knowest." And he said to me, _*_"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."_* I believe that during the tribulation, the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) is taken out of the way, therefore no one can be *born again of the Holy Spirit of God* during this time period. The only way to be saved entirely is to die for their faith in Jesus, and most of that dying happens due to being beheaded by the antichrist. So this is them ("tribulation saints") *washing their own* robes. Whereas today, in the current dispensation ("age of grace"), we *can* be born again of the Holy Spirit (Restrainer) of God. When we accept Jesus into our heart, *HE* washes us from all unrighteousness. Salvation by grace, not by works --> JESUS washed us; JESUS did the entire work for us. *WE* don't 'wash our own robes.' At the end of Revelation 7, the elder clearly speaks of these people, who came out of great tribulation, *as a different group from any others.* *8)* We read in *Revelation 20:4* that John *saw thrones and they that sat upon those thrones, judgment was given unto them.* Who are they on the thrones? If anyone remembers from one of Pauls' letters: 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 -- _"Do ye not know that the _*_saints shall judge the world?_*_ And if _*_the world shall be judged BY YOU,_*_ are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? _*_Know ye not that we shall judge angels?_*_ How much more things that pertain to this life?"_ Based on that I'd say the individuals seen sitting on those thrones are the entire (born again) church, and they're distinctly separate from the souls John saw who were beheaded during the tribulation, then resurrected (Rev. 20:4) after the second coming of Jesus. Whereas the wife (church) already came down with Jesus in Revelation *19,* riding on white horses. Two different groups, not the same. - *7 Reasons to trust the Pre-trib Rapture - Andy Woods* kzbin.info/www/bejne/pouloIaXfJlggbs *10 Truths about the Rapture - Andy Woods* kzbin.info/www/bejne/pquqlqKFbZmorJI *Matthew 24 Explained Rightly Divided Proving Pretribulation Rapture - Robert Breaker* kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKmshqOhgc5qec0 *Explaining the Mystery of the 7th Trump - Perry Stone:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/g32ooXuimKaSppY *Pre Trib Doctor Gives Post Trib Rapture PROOFS! - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/f368o395nrOFfa8 *3 PART HARVEST OF SOULS & RAPTURE EXPLAINED IN 15 MIN! - Perry Stone* kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3bVpHyCqbubZ9U *WATCH OUT! There are TWO Raptures Coming Soon! - Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKibeXV9rrRgi68 *Pre-trib or Post-trib Rapture? (Part 1) - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYCZhKdupq5nbdk *Pre-trib or Post-trib Rapture? (Part 2) - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/jonGinqnh5Kafrs *MOST INTENSE VIDEO on 2 Thess. 2 Post Trib Rapture - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4KxhmuchZl3o9E *Oh Where to Put the Rapture? Before or After Tribulation? - Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYmoZ4SwbJaXoJo *DEBUNKED! Two Popular Proofs against Pre-Tribbers - Dr. Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHPVgGqPe7ionZo *Too Many Evidences for Pre Trib Rapture!!! - Gene Kim* kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZacm2ewbs11gpo *Complete PREVIEW of the RAPTURES! Pre-Trib / Mid-Trib / Post-Trib / Pre-Wrath Explained - Steve Cioccolanti* kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3zUgqiKhZisp9U

[@calebjephunneh8734]

Liberty and Justice ...good references and teachings .. all who are watching Jeff Durbin now should immediately shut it off and look up all your references and learn to study the Bible literally and correctly and know that the Church is not Israel, Israel is not the Church, ... that heretical view of replacement theology will mess people up big time . Thank you for this summary ... excellent

[@calebjephunneh8734]

Yes John Sheffield ... 1 Thess 4 verse says Jesus Himself comes for us and we meet Him in the air. Matthew verse says His angels gather His elect from the four winds. So annoying how people can’t see that difference . Duh two separate events ... and if we are raptured at end of Tribulation, it turns into a yo-yo or bungee jump... bahaha

[@ellenkno5233]

Thanks for pointing out error.

[@lynnmoser6918]

Would love to see Jeff Durbin and Voddie Bacham have a conversation. It would be an electric event.

[@triciachampine5807]

Psalm 90:10 says a generation is 70 to 80 years. Nowhere does it say 40 years

[@MrWoody6663]

That's speaking of a lifespan not a generation 😂.

[@lavieenrose5954]

I agree with Woody. It’s a lifespan. And a biblical generation is most definitely 40 years. Just think; Christ prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem and her temple in 30AD and it all came crashing down 40 years later. Just as He said. God bless you ❤

[@amyburke2989]

Powerful. Loved this.

[@knowethjc29]

These are the best vids of the church

[@kaebersold7219]

I have deep respect for Jeff as an evangelist. From my perspective this sermon was fitting the text to the model. Not good.

[@feliciajohnston4877]

He's not an evangelical preacher he's an apologetic

[@lisacook2452]

I have been seeking a church that is like yours..I cannot find not one single one in my area not one had stood with the Bible that I follow king James..I listen to you because it's all I have found that is speaking God's word

[@danvan2683]

Is this the same view held by Doug Wilson? Be salt and light, I love the idea of being christ to the world as a Christian, he lives through us, apologia did more to suck me out of mormonism than any other thing except maybe the mormon church itself.

[@rdeymonaz]

Danvan2 Ruth like Doug Wilson of Moscow Idaho Christ church?

[@danvan2683]

@@rdeymonaz yes

[@rdeymonaz]

I’ll ask around, I’ve got friends in the area. I know many people who have left that church for tremendous reasons. From what I understand about their theology....it’s not a place where I’d be spiritually fed

[@danvan2683]

@@rdeymonaz I really liked ND widens "notes from the tilt a whirl", Doug's son, he and Doug have been interviewed at apologia, Doug has a lot he's written, I've only heard good things.

[@danvan2683]

Wilson's not wildens

[@oneofmany7768]

Wasn't "I Wish We'd All Been Ready" originally a Larry Norman song?

[@christopherrich7107]

Yes, a Larry Norman song from the 1970's.

[@mamajonz2668]

I purchased the Larry Norman 70’s version on iTunes, because I love it very much! The truth being sung with beautiful voices! ❤️

[@Cosigner22]

Preach God's Word brother!

[@dahcargo]

Yes, please preach God's word and withhold nothing.

[@dahcargo]

“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord,” - Joel 2:31. “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord.” - Acts 2:20. Yes Jeff preach the word! We ALL know that this has not yet happened, right? Preach it tiger.

[@billr6344]

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[@billr6344]

@@glensmith4994 I dont know, but what I do know is that the gospel needs to be preached and we His church needs to stay prepared.

[@kimberlyolson9411]

Thank you god for everything

[@victoryinchrist-broadcasti4044]

This is simply powerful and life changing!

[@ginnybaumeister9561]

This is all great...Pastor Jeff are you Spirit filled... if I'm going to follow you I need to know you are Spirit filled...not just reading the Bible... are these your words or Holy Spirits!!!!

[@dand4485]

Hmm, really hard to take the explanation around 43 minutes about left behind story... The problem seems to be, i've only took the account when Christ talked about "As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end..." Might be i've only taken it more as only the attitude of the people about not seeking salvation and safety that Noah would provide.... That is all not about the rapture, which i'd asset the problem as a pre-wrath, pre-trib Christian with Tim LaHay's and the Left Behind series...

[@ellenkno5233]

This is full of error! Ignore. All righteous, born again Christians are raptured, BEFORE.

[@jacquelinewhite3091]

@@ellenkno5233 exactly. Sorry to say, this preacher is totally incorrect and twisting the Word of God

[@christincommon5496]

@Dan D, I’m the days of Noah, the DNA of mankind and animals had been corrupted by Satan’s fallen angels. This is what we will see again in our day. The jab campaign is Satan’s latest attempt to corrupt mankind by mixing biology and technology, and this is just the beginning.

[@daysmanoftheages1411]

We are cadavers on ice with frozen nervous systems. Christ and christ alone can thaw us out and bring life to us. Jesus has to live in us. A mere theory of christ is not enough.A living vibrant Christ living out his 33 years in us. It is not I that live but christ who lived in me.

[@carmelitovista14]

The clearer eschatological views are being explained the more confused I become on eschatology.

[@emanuilgoshev350]

Hahahah so true

[@jessejimenez1793]

Remember God has Israel and the church, ....and another thing the kingdom of God will be literal, ....there are two rapture the first one the church.....end the second one the sinner in the great tribulations...will be taking to the white throne to be judged...the second one Jesus explained in Mateo 24....the first capture in 1 Thesanolisenses 4.....

[@rlu1956]

Study Romans chapters 9,10,11. Then read Romans 5.9, I Thessalonians 1.10, 5.9, and Revelation 3.10. Those are the promises rooted in John 14.6. Paul wrote two epistles to make it explicitly clear that, before the judgements, He delivers His people. The coming of Christ is the fulfillment of the Feasts of Trumpets from Leviticus 23. Revelation 4.1 is the fulfillment of that "trumpet blast" of I Corinthians 15.51-53. The idea that the "church" goes through Daniel's 70th week was not Paul's teaching AT ALL. He comes, Jesus, for His bride, God is not a wife beater. This pastor is incorrect in his premise that Daniel's 70th week happens during the church age, that is not true.

[@georgeledford5556]

Everytime I listen to this message...I post it on my Facebook...🙂

[@acts238forever]

Excellent teaching!

[@nanomachines2985]

I'm genuinely curious about why people disagree with this message. Not looking to argue, it's just that this seems to make sense and seems to be (mostly) scripturally-sound. Most importantly, it does not detract from the gospel of Jesus Christ. Yet there are comments that disagree without elaborating. Edit: to be fair, i dont recall him going over 1 Thess 4:17 where Paul says those that are alive in Christ will be caught up in the air with those that were dead and risen in Christ. How does he reconcile this piece of scripture? That is the one hang up i have at the moment and would appreciate the wisdom.

[@angelaschofield2417]

Doesnt the bible teach that left behide will have their heads chopped off for their testiomy of christ and the word of God washing their robes in the blood of the lamb ? And if thats so that tells me that some in among those left behide who come to faith will enter the kingdom of God through their faith in jesus 😊

[@crazylo0716]

Don't know if anyone loves reading "In God We Trust" on our bills.. because they even know HE is ALL!! And you can't run from HIM

[@alexanderbrown2717]

When has anyone ever been alive that took the mark of the beast? Do we know of anyone that can’t repent of sins and come to Jesus. I don’t know of anyone in the past or now.

[@Matthew24.4]

You’re right - no-one in history has ever repented of all sin. Jesus never sinned and therefore never needed to repent of sin. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. I know plenty of saved people that repented from unbelief to belief. Acts 19 tells us that repentance as it relates to salvation is to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, nothing more, nothing less. Repent of sin is works salvation and our works cannot save us. If they could we wouldn’t need a saviour. Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should BELIEVE on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

[@brettboyd824]

This video by Jonathan Welton should help clear that up for you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqC2eGuGeMZmfKM Remember that the Apostle John (who wrote the book of Revelation) was the pastor of the church at Ephesus - he was living in Ephesus during Nero's reign, Ephesus was the town where people were forced to take Nero's mark (described in the Jonathan Welton video). If the link doesn't work, just go to KZbin and type in "The Truth About the Beast | WeltonVlog 017" - that is the title of the KZbin video and it should answer your question - it was eye-opening for me and explained everything.

[@soullessmeatpuppet7840]

Jeff, I need to know what hair products you use so I can get my hair game on point. 😁

[@jayveebee1076]

The ones left behind in the Noahdic Flood were those swept away by the flood. It's so obvious when you don't have a preconceived view and have the fanciful notion of Post-trib. Just like those who will be left behind after the Rapture...they will be swept away by the Wrath of God. And then comes the One returning WITH HIS SAINTS to defeat the AC and the False Prophet and have them thrown into the Lake of Fire.

[@suzannegriffiths4795]

Jay, the word doesn't say that Jesus returns with His "saints"! He says that He returns with His "holy ones".Look up holy, and Revelation 20, which tells us that He returns with the ones given authority to judge and who had been martyred for not taking the mark and not worshipping the beast. (All the rest of the dead are resurrected at the great white throne judgement).

[@jayveebee1076]

@@suzannegriffiths4795 So you're saying saints aren't holy?

[@suzannegriffiths4795]

@@jayveebee1076 what I'm saying is that it's important not to read into scripture, what isn't there. Revelation chapter 20: 4-6 says "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION... " So you see that adding a different resurrection is not biblical. Yeshua made it very clear who were resurrected first, and it is the Martyrs - so the mark comes in and culminates in the death of the faithful, before the first resurrection. Will you be amongst the faithful? You will need oil in your lamp! (you must be led by the Spirit! Romans 8:13&14)

[@jayveebee1076]

@@suzannegriffiths4795 So you don't believe we ought to think that saints are holy ones even though we are admonished to "be holy..." It stands to reason that the "holy ones" are indeed saints that have been Raptured and consequently return with Christ to rule and reign with Him.

[@suzannegriffiths4795]

@@jayveebee1076 if you are talking about the saints around you, what percentage are sinless, perfected, ready to die for Christ? In Revelation chapter 20, Jesus tells us that the first resurrection is of the martyrs who refuse to take the mark and so are killed. He clarifies that all the rest of the dead are not resurrected til after the millennium! So the holy ones are the martyrs. If you would like to see yourself there, be ready to endure and remain faithful to the death! That is the test! By the way, if the first resurrection is of the martyrs, when is the rapture?

[@reaganreagan3799]

Amen. Thank you for standing up front.

[@r.m.4653]

Finally an eschatology that makes sense!!!!!!!

[@BeReady726]

You didn't refute the scriptures that support the idea that the bride is taken out of earth temporarily while judgement is carried out here.

[@capncrunch6422]

Which ones are you referring to?

[@elliechewny6924]

AMAZING SERMON! Thank you Apologia!

[@richardmcmichael9329]

I’m inspired by the way Jeff let’s Holy Spirit teach me ...over many years ric

[@rlu1956]

Romans chapter 9,10,11 destroys "replacement theology", thus restoring the missing "Daniel's 70th week". The church did not "replace" the promises to Israel and King David. God will restore Israel to her place to fulfill II Samuel's covenant. Romans 5.9, I Thessalonians 1.10, 5.9, and Revelation 3.10 are promises fulfilled in John 14.1-6.

[@suzannegriffiths4795]

Yes, Ezekiel prophesied about the New Covenant from about chapter 30 through to 36, where is describes how we will be given new hearts and spirits, and God's own Spirit will lead us to follow God's decrees, and KEEP HIS LAWS!!!! And the Jews inherit these same promises through Yeshua the Messiah, and in fact the early church began with Jewish followers of Yeshua. At the end, the rest of the remnant Jews will be grafted back in. 😊 The only difference between covenants is that Jesus came to fulfil the law, and enable us to walk as He did, led by the Spirit!

[@rlu1956]

@@suzannegriffiths4795 Romans 9.31-33 every believer should memorize. God the LORD will fulfill II Samuel 7 promise to King David, God will fulfill every word from Romans 9-11. He comes, first for His bride (John 14.1-6), which delivers us from "the wrath to come", Romans 5.9, I Thessalonians 1.10, 5.9, and Revelation 3.10. Reject the idea that the church goes through the tribulation, that is NOT what the bible teaches.

[@suzannegriffiths4795]

@@rlu1956 you may think that you have all wisdom and knowledge about all the end-time prophesies, but it always surprises me when some people think that they know what God in His wisdom, left out! God has not told us that we will not suffer tribulation, only that we would not suffer His wrath! When I read God's words, He clarifies that His wrath STARTS after the sixth seal. And He makes it clear that His chosen ones are marked, and the punishment and tortures do not land on them. We can trust our LORD, and we do not need to make up a "secret rapture" in order to "believe in God". If God says that we will be enabled to endure, when led by the Spirit (the oil in our lamps), then I believe Him. Whenever God's timing is, He leads His people. Are you listening?

[@rlu1956]

@@suzannegriffiths4795 Go earn a degree in linguistics, then study the texts for 40 years, getting ordained by your peers, then write about it or comment out. Romans 5.9, I Thessalonians 1.10, 5.9, and Revelation 3.10 are declarative statements, fulfilling John 14.1-6. Paul wrote two complete epistles addressing the heresy of the church going through the tribulation. Don't follow cultic, non-biblical teachings. Turn OFF the TV, turn on studying the Bible especially in their original languages. Titus 2.12-13, the great HOPE, the coming of Christ for His BRIDE. God is not a wife beater.

[@suzannegriffiths4795]

@@rlu1956 it is ridiculous to speak of studying, then resort to speaking of the bridegroom being a wife beater. Which language did you get this from?

[@makarov138]

In verse 36 Jesus said that he knew the generation but he did not know the specific day and hour. It would all happen within 40 years of him expressing these prophecies.

[@saltbaby1]

Noah and his family was taken away in the ark and then returned to populate the world.

[@Rexpiper]

Actually, Noah and his family were left behind. Everyone else was taken away or swept away in judgement. This passage is not intended for the church but rather for the Jews, some of whom will be carried away into judgement and others who will be left behind. Begging taken away in this context is not a good thing. What is being described here is not the rapture but rather what happens as part of the tribulation and the great tribulation.

[@vilicus77]

No, that is a myth. It did not actually happen. Please perform an actual academic literature review of the subject. Do not limit your investigation to religious sources.

[@SV-Flying-Tigress]

Yep, a natural reading of "taken" vs "left" in the story of Noah was that the ones who were "left" were unbelieving and perished. If you doubt this, try it: tell someone the following synopsis of the flood story and see their reaction to the questions: Briefly: "... the world was wicked and God told Noah that he would destroy the world by flood and that to save himself to build an ark to save himself. If you were in Noah's time, would you rather be taken or left?" Most people will interpret taken as in "with Noah on the Ark." Also the only use of "take" that I can find in Genesis re: the flood was to "take" animals on the ark. It wasn't until *after* the calamity that "left" because a good thing. Also, I think if "taken" was meant to indicate destruction/judgement, it would just say that. At the very least Jeff is on ambiguous thin ice. Also in reading all of Matthew 24, not just the dissections that Jeff referenced, is that Jesus will do the "taking" of the valuable, that is why, in the very next verses He compares Himself to the role of a "thief" coming at an unannounced time. Gen ch 19 also used "take" in the opposite sense Jeff suggests.

[@attrails]

Matthew 24:32 (KJV) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh: This is the verse that depicts Israel becoming a nation.

[@urawesome4670]

Israel consists of grafted in Gentile branches, Romans 11. Old covenant Israel was done away with at the destruction of the temple, forever. “L ET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED TO SEE NOT, AND BEND THEIR BACKS FOREVER.”” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

[@mchristr]

Israel became a nation at Sinai with the giving of the Law.

[@tylervelasquez5639]

"Like the days of Noah"

[@Concernedcitizen23-r5n]

Look at what chuck missler says about that.

[@bogoney]

No one knows when the lord will come . Not the day or the hour . God is also saying man is a fool and can’t see what’s right in front of them.

[@brendanteversham6623]

If all of these things were fulfilled in 70AD then tell me what the heck Zechariah chapter 14 is all about? Here it talks about the nations attacking Jerusalem, raping their women and then after they have taken half the city, God himself fights on behalf of Jerusalem and destroys those nations. Last time I checked Rome demolished Jerusalem and did not get destroyed by God himself in 70 AD. If anyone can properly exegete Zechariah 14 in light of Jeff's eschatology, I will happily admit my false assumptions

[@jrhemmerich]

@Brendan Teversham, consider this take on Zachariah 14. This passage corresponds to the attack of Gog and Magog in Rev. 20. Mat 24 and Revelation 2-19 correspond to Zachariah 13:8-9. In this passage, Jesus, God’s Shepard is struck and his sheep (the disciples) are scattered in the Garden, and come under persecution (I.e. Mat 23, Stephen’s stoning and the scattering from Jerusalem, then Paul and Peter’s deaths in the 60’s just before AD 70). Then it says, as a result of the striking of the shepherd, that God was going to judge his little ones, Israel, and bring them through fire to refine them. Thus 1/3 was to survive and one day Israel will call God their God, and he will call them his people (part of his church). This corresponds to Israel in the present time, but at the end of the times of the Gentiles, Israel will be refreshed spiritually (Acts 3:19-21, Romans 11:25-26). Then Israel will have peace in the land and generally be known as believers in Christ. Ez 34 covers Jesus coming and then his judgment in separating the sheep as in Mat 25, which reflects Zachariah 13:9. Ezekiel 37:1-14 covers the time from the Babylonian exile (death in the valley of the bones of national Israel), through the beginning of spiritual restoration with Christ and the remnant (Paul and other Jews) through the refining period of AD 70 and up to the present time, and eventually Jesus being recognized as the true King by Israel as he reigns in heaven at the right hands of God on his throne but among Israel through his indwelling Spirit. This will bring peace to the land of Israel in the future. Then after the peace of Christian Israel in the land of Israel without walls (Ez 38:8), then Satan will be released and Gog and Magog (renewed paganism) will come against the followers of Jesus (Jew and Gentile) all over the world, but especially at Jerusalem, then In the moment when all seems lost and the city is being taken, Jesus shall come to earth to deliver his faithful people (Ez. 38:18-23, Zech 14, Rev 20:9, 1 Thess 4:16). Not sure if that works for you but it’s something to consider. Blessings.

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

How is this coming up as brand new but also 2 years old? KZbin...

[@gettingfitafterforty7650]

There are so many problems with these interpretations that I don’t know where to begin. I was about to start writing about them but it would be too long. I just implore everyone to study (not just read) the Bible and pray that the Holy Spirit guide you on these matters. Good thing they aren’t essential beliefs but it’s still dangerous I think.

[@davidcrane6593]

Jeff seems to have a good heart in the abortion stance he takes, but he is quite here on his idea that the olivet discourse was fully fulfilled in 70 a.d.

[@Finalsuspect1468]

@@davidcrane6593 he has said multiple other times that the olivet discourse was all about 70 AD, with lots of reasoning to back it up.

[@davidcrane6593]

@@Finalsuspect1468 when you take his(mr durbin) word over the word out of the mouth of two angels from heaven that it CLEARLY written in THE WORD(testimony of Jesus Christ).... it is called idolatry...... thats wicked. i pray for you.

[@Finalsuspect1468]

@@davidcrane6593 lol what? Seriously what on earth are you talking about?

[@davidcrane6593]

@@Finalsuspect1468 two angels (in scripture)tell us that what mr durbin is saying is false.

[@paullauj5198]

The destruction of the temple, He talking about the body and the worldly. We are living in the last days and independently our last days is ourselves. When we see ourself surrounded by the worldly people we know our life is at the end so we have to hold tight to Him. God give and He take only Him who know our destiny when will we die so each day is our last day so be rich toward Him.

[@johnny2303]

Should of at least brought up 1830 and Darby

[@triciachampine5807]

The Great Tribulation. "All these things", did not happen in the generation of Jesus' day. The generation referred to in Matthew 24 is the last generation who sees Israel become an independent sovereign nation again. According to psalm 90 a generation is 70 to 80 years For one thing, the generation of Jesus ' day all died before Jesus' return. Also, when did the abomination that causes desolation come into the temple and set himself up as God? And when did 1/3 and later 1/2 of the earth's creatures die? When did the two witness come? The whole earth is supposed see them preach, die and be brought back to life. We, as Christians, are not appointed to wrath according to God. The righteous are always spared from it, whether they are the ones left behind or they are the ones removed. The wicked are always the ones under wrath

[@enriquemartinez6121]

MATTHEW 24:32-44 BUT OF THAT DAY & HOUR NO ONE KNOWS, NOT EVEN THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN, BUT MY FATHER ONLY. AS THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE, SO ALSO WILL THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. 2 MEN IN THE FIELD: 1 WILL BE TAKEN & THE OTHER LEFT (RAPTURE) 2 WOMEN GRINDING AT THE MILL: 1 WILL BE TAKEN & THE OTHER LEFT.” 1 CORINTHIANS 15:51 BEHOLD, I TELL YOU A MYSTERY: WE SHALL NOT ALL SLEEP, BUT WE SHALL BE CHANGED-IN A MOMENT, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AT THE LAST TRUMPET. AND THE DEAD WILL BE INCORRUPTIBLE, & SHALL BE CHANGED. 1 THESSALONIANS 4::16- 18 FOR THE LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT, WITH THE VOICE OF AN ARCH ANGEL, & WITH THE TRUMPET OF GOD. AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST. THEN WE WHO ARE ALIVE & REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. THUS WE SHALL ALWAYS BE WITH THE LORD. THEREFORE COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS.” NKJV

[@andreliporada6708]

You are not a pastor! But you seem as if you are. Is it simply because you are just humble!! There you are preaching now. Youre you good p preaching even if you are not a pastor... you are simply an intellectual person preaching using your intelligence. What an intelligent person you are preaching spiritual things.

[@MurderHornetProductions]

Excellent message.

[@christservant7051]

Generation is 70 years, 80 years with good medical help (modern medical aid) psalms 90:10- the length of our days is 70 years, or 80 if our strength endures.

[@randomdad1234]

That’s a lifetime, not a generation

[@christservant7051]

@@randomdad1234 *days of our lives* are 70 years, 80 years with great health

[@randomdad1234]

@@christservant7051 exactly, that’s not a generation though.

[@christservant7051]

@@randomdad1234 how is that not a generation? If we are born and die in the 70 to 80 years then the people who are the same age as me die then that generation is dead. Explain what you mean then please

[@randomdad1234]

@@christservant7051 it’s the same reason why we don’t use generation today to define life expectancy. The term generation is used to refer to a collective group of people that were born and living at about the same time. It’s usually marked as the timeframe that those born around the same time grow up into adults and have children; marking the start of the next generation.

[@PUAlum]

This was so good. I too was raised hearing all kinds of nutty so-called fulfillments of OT prophecies (along with all sorts of fake healing claims). A little context goes a long way!

[@spark1196]

Agree, the likes of William Branham and the message and their cult!

[@Pastor-Brettbyfaith]

Matt. 7:13-14 Jesus clearly teaches that there will be many which go in the wide gate, but few will enter the narrow gate. If the doctrine of limited atonement is true, then the doctrine of post millennialism must be false. These people have to disregard the teachings of Jesus, Paul and the entire New Testament in regard to eschatology. Throw out 1Thess 4:16-17, and Rev. 20. If you follow these men (J Durbin and J White), you can just disregard the whole book of Revelation. James White stated that it does not belong in the text of Scripture. How can you follow such an absurd doctrine that contradicts everything the Bible teaches about the end times? I would love to debate these men on this topic. Post millennialism is a false doctrine. Abolitionism, Social Gospel or Post Millenialism. Call it what you will, but it is a false doctrine that will fade away with the rest.

[@rayortiz6189]

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[@kimberlyolson9411]

I love church I hope I can go to church more often

[@ThePettiestOfficer_Juan117]

Praise God for Jeff, but I fear for anyone teaching such a distortion of God’s eternal security for the Nation of Israel.

[@M1cha3lP]

Said by someone with Thanos as a profile pic.

[@jeremybenson5782]

What do you mean by eternal security for Israel? I haven't seen the sermon yet, but Jesus clearly said anyone that was not born again was going to hell. He said the Pharisees that rejected him were going to hell. Hell is taught to us FROM the Jews. I'm not sure why you think they would have immunity. John 15:6 is said to the Jews. The entire Jewish nation being saved is actually the false teaching as far as I can tell. Get away from teachers and read the bible yourself. Just read John, and realize what Jesus is saying. When Jesus talks about men going to hell, and why, he means all men can go there.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

@@jeremybenson5782 The popular version of Christianity in America is Dispensationalism, which has an almost idolatrous view of modern day Israel/Jews. Of course Israel loves it and has benefitted from it but it holds Jews as "special" which was the sin of Israel in Christs day.

[@ThePettiestOfficer_Juan117]

Cinnamonbuns13 idolatry is replacing God with a lessor “thing”, and you believe dispensationalists, who believe in a future restored believing Israel is almost idolatry? Perhaps you misunderstand dispensationalism? That or you’re categorizing ALL dispensationals into a camp where we support and agree with everything Israel does. I don’t know a single person who holds that view, but repeatedly see us getting misrepresented that way. It is a shame. Perhaps you should ask people their views before pigeon-holing them? Would that be fair?

[@ThePettiestOfficer_Juan117]

Michael actually, my profile picture is my face carefully photoshopped onto Thanos. I write many articles on how nerd culture is ripe for the Gospel. You wouldn’t believe how many amazing conversations I’ve been able to have with nerds who adore comics but have never heard who the true hero is. Praise the Lord, right?

[@peaweahoppe]

What about the book of revelation. How does that fit in? Since it was written after the temple fell.