WHO WILL SURVIVE? | The Quarry - Part 5 (END)

[@jacksepticeye]

Hit LIKE on the video if you would like to see me replay Until Dawn after this?

[@Roof_Gang]

YESS

[@thedrunkensailor6477]

Yessss I love revisits!!!

[@AlmondJam]

There is a ending to get them all I thank so yes pls do a other one :3

[@supernova5934]

please do I REALLY want to see more games like this or this game again

[@Alderaansmoon]

Yes please!!!

[@joba5831]

Jack 5 days ago: "I don't like this cop, he's gonna end up killing us or something" Jack now: "my main group are alive, plus travis, because travis is cool"

[@justaperson4656]

I mean, I loved Travis from the start, but maybe that's cause deep down I knew he was protecting someone

[@pinkestelle558]

@@justaperson4656 ur intuition is on point

[@NippyNep]

@@justaperson4656 true if he was truley bad he wouldve done much worse instead of taking care of laura and max

[@lenakingsleigh]

Travis is the best, not only because he's played by Ted Raimi (although that alone could be enough) but because you feel for him. He only wants to help his family to lift the curse. And in return he always gets yelled at by his ma 💀 He's definitely my favourite character from the game

[@solar999]

@@NippyNep yeah, he literally made sure the "prisoners" were well fed, and let them take showers. and even knowing max is a werewolf, he still didnt kill him.

[@link1016]

“Travis finally ended the curse that haunted his family for 6 years” Having the rest of the family die in the process is one way of ending the curse

[@cerenitislays]

No family no curse problem solved

[@philmybeloved4214]

ehh, the whole family was nuts anyway,

[@AtlisDe]

@@philmybeloved4214 true. Except we don't know much about the kids. Everyone else kinda seemed to not care about Travis on top of it all.

[@ashwolf2006]

@@philmybeloved4214 pretty much

[@nekozaemon3803]

I was in disbelief when i heard it. I'm gonna smoke the whole family. Jesus Christ wtf!?

[@coriweaver2581]

I want to see the scene where Dylan explains to his parents why he came back from summer camp missing a hand

[@Mot-o1e]

They should have let him get bit for a little while.. Just for a little while then shot the big bad wolf

[@KateMowriMerrygold]

''yeah so there was this guy I liked, his name was Ryan and he got this chainsaw and like cut my hand off after we kissed in a game of truth or dare...'' is what I imagine his main focus would be

[@minty_biscuit2408]

Same

[@biancasumfinrandom1653]

I was wondering how he was going to explain it to disability services to get assistance. Its hard enough when the reason is completely natural and medical.

[@Fawnxo420]

I can imagine Dylan dressing up like a pirate for Halloween and asks everyone "DO you wanna know how I got my hook?"

[@TurtleDuckiie]

I sympathize with Travis but his family being killed could have been prevented if he had just told Laura about the first werewolf 😭

[@oliwermattsson1913]

yeah

[@Ghostfan37]

I was saying the same thing, but I just realized something. They said that Silas was gone and out of the area for a long time. So he probably wouldn’t want to count on killing silas because he couldn’t find him for 6 years. That’s just my thoughts but it kind of makes sense. He still could’ve mentioned silas though.

[@RileyCoyote846]

I mean, to be fair, she probably wouldn’t have believed him and thought he was fucking with her. Most people ignore information that seems to hold no logical sense

[@RileyCoyote846]

Although you could be referring to something else, I’n still very early in this episode so I thought you were talking about at the beginning when he told her to go to the motel

[@ShaimingLong]

I've been thinking about that too, and I believe they should have had it where he does tell Laura the truth, or at least most of the truth if you can get him to respect and trust her after the first full moon in the station. She could still be out there a little too gung ho and still kill Kaylee, which gets her wrapped up with the Hacketts like normal. Travis could have told a fib, claiming that Silas was locked in the shelter and he was on his way to finish the job when he found them crashed in the woods, and that since she let him free and got Max cursed, she should help him in the hunt for Silas, and maybe it's possible for Laura to find out he lied and that Chris was the one actually locked down there giving her the option to just kill Chris to free Max and escape, or to stay on the path of hunting Silas, however long it takes. There's so many better ways they could have gone than the insufferable disaster that is a lack of communication. The devs retread far too much of the same things as Until Dawn that they really should have learned from and improved on, instead of just recycling it on a bigger scale.

[@laksasyah5673]

"Ive never been stab before" "ow it really hurts, DAD!" hes just a baby boy with beefy body n that is so adorable lmaoo

[@codingidiot6754]

funniest part in the entire game imo

[@KarmaSky]

Himbo energy

[@morningstar8127]

He shot his finger off though. Isn't it more painful?

[@averagechannelname7834]

@@morningstar8127 he's probably been shot before, just not stabbed. I don't think it's that it hurt, it's just it's never happened before

[@gayart]

Literally every man baby in the southern USA 🙄 def not cute

[@CytheriaXylia]

I think one of the biggest plot twists in this whole game was figuring out that Ian was actually just a sheep

[@CytheriaXylia]

Also totally distraught that we didn't get any character interactions afterwards, I was totally looking forward to Max being like "why are you wearing my clothes?!" to Emma, and Lauren being like "Why are you wearing MY clothes" to Max. I feel like that would've been a much better time filler than that god awful podcast at the end

[@AB-xy3mr]

@@CytheriaXylia dudeeeee seriously!! such a missed opportunity

[@kaylarenae3477]

@@CytheriaXylia they do interact in one ending, idk if they mention what he’s wearing I can’t remember. But to get this you have to kill Chris, Ryan has to bleed out then you have to shot Travis and then max and Laura reunite

[@talal3c]

i thought he was a dog who got bit n turned

[@Guess_the_movie1]

Lmao so true

[@QueenMaxiine]

Jack: I’m a pacifist! I don’t want to hurt!! Jack, a minute later: so we’re gonna shoot the grandmother in the face again

[@christinamae1902]

This comment made me laugh out loud hahahaha

[@nsanelightning9934]

“Then we’re gonna kill the whole family since Katlyn is already dead, but not Travis he’s cool” 💀

[@prakh1250]

Jack: I'm a pacifist! I like saving people! *Jack's logic: one person in the family is dead, now I gotta kill all of them..* Jack: So anyways guys, time to save our people! *saves only the counselors and Travis*

[@paperremix]

@@nsanelightning9934 right! I was wondering what happened

[@noface4639]

And the whole family!

[@TheRaven777]

I like how big bobby was able to shoot off his finger like it was nothing but when he got stabbed he was like, "ohhhh! I've never been stabbed before! It hurts, daddy!".

[@datrockguy2345]

Honestly the only disappointing thing is that we don’t see any characters interact once the night is over.

[@pineneedles_8845]

totally agree, especially since Nick just dissapeared earlier on.

[@TheJikra]

I wanted to see Dylan and Ryan to reuinte!!!

[@MxPibb]

@@Urban_Goose awful reason to exclude decent closure in a game :(

[@arthrxpoda]

literally. like not even a reuniting scene between max and laura?

[@Urban_Goose]

@@MxPibb It was just a thought

[@ashergibson9969]

People beef Jacob for nicking the rotor arm without knowing that the consequences would involve werewolves, but I have beef with Chris. Why would you schedule the end of camp to be just a few hours before the full moon? Any sensible organiser should at least leave 48 hours to ensure there's time for any vehicle malfunctions to be dealt with. Even if there aren't any simping jocks with a poor concept of boundaries fucking with your van, break downs can happen for a host of reasons. Jacob didn't know the stakes but Chris did. I feel like responsibility lies far more with him than it does with an emotionally immature 17/18 year old who doesn't know werewolves exist

[@pancakes8670]

Well said my dude

[@fontanna888]

Also the fact that there were still werevolwes on the FIRST DAY OF CAMP. Laura and Max arrived at camp when it was already past midnight, meaning that Chris had to greet the campers just few hours after he finished devouring the camp maskot. Who plans like that?? Literally just make the camp two days shorter! It's so dumb. The real villain wasn't Jacob or Silos, the villain was awful organisation.

[@Nealous1]

Chris isn't the only Hackett to act stupid either. Mrs. Hackett clearly has poor common sense and no concept of gun safety. there is literally no other way that struggle could have ended. I also can't believe she would say "we don't want more blood on our hands and then *not* lock up the infected family members in her secure, electrified cages under the property for the night. The whole family is full of morons.

[@cassandrathomas6015]

What I also wonder about is it seemed from earlier in the story that they were there for 2 months... so what happened on that full moon inbetween? the one where Max scratched Laura's eyeball out. How did Chris guarantee the campers safety?

[@Ashin1O3O]

@@cassandrathomas6015 Remember there were locks on the cabin doors. If that isn't enough remember how Chris was locked up in the attic of the Hackett house. I am assuming, but if Chris wasn't disturbed by Ryan and Laura going up to the attic he probably would have stayed there for the rest of the night not breaking out of his chains. If the Chris not being bothered rule applies then it would work for that 1 night Max turns Werewolf.

[@kuindoru1503]

God I think Jacob crying to himself in the woods was probably the only normal reactions to the situation in the whole game 💀

[@amnaibrahim9005]

Literally

[@prakh1250]

Jacob is the only realistic character unironically 💀💀 except for those times the mf heard screaming and totally brushed it off. Somehow all the characters were so optimistic during all this shit like whattt

[@zacktaylor8178]

nah this game is full of realistic responses to danger. it can just be shocking the way ppl actually act in a crisis 😂

[@delnite5825]

tbf hes the only one whos had that much alone time and his encounters were probably the most horrifying but shortest lived, so he had fk tons of downtime to just soak it all in and let the adrenaline die down. not to mention the guilt.

[@Mot-o1e]

After seeing people in combat and other stressful situations... Yeah this is fairly accurate. Every person has their mechanism for handling dire situations. The vast majority of people have a sort of robot switch. They are not experiencing the events but trying to deflect the experience... Of course after the situation the majority then have to deal with what they dealt with as their mental walls start coming down.

[@llap1796]

I feel like a lot of this could've been avoided if anyone had a water gun

[@sophiepdt7129]

Fr💀💀💀

[@yeti1835]

It says only "pure water" and by that I think they mean bodies of water

[@irondeficiency515]

@@yeti1835 well put that water into your water gun duh dummy

[@pizzermaster1145]

@@yeti1835 what about the rain? They avoid the rain

[@yeti1835]

@@pizzermaster1145 oh did they? I don't remember that, but maybe a water gun would work then lol

[@Jackieyeet1]

I feel like Dylan was the only character we really got to know. Like we found out he likes to do radio, that he wants to become a scientist (i think), that he puts on a different face in front of others... while everyone else we didn't see or hear that much about them. Laura and Max, we got a good amount, but not the amount we got from Dylan. We got a little from Ryan and Emma, learning that Ryan has been to Hackett's Quarry many times, and is good friends with Chris and his kids, Emma we found out that she likes to cheer people up, that she don't like to see people sad. Kaitlyn, Abi, Jacob and Nick we didn't get much out of. Dylan is my overall favorite. I love the sarcastic comments and jokes he always has

[@augustleo8368]

We also know Ryan’s home life is unstable and he’s interested in The Arts

[@tylertheparadox9699]

Exactly what I thought about the characters. I think that if they just gave some better scenes (rather then them just sitting around or worrying) we could have gotten more in depth.

[@Marcus-cc72]

Awkward but lovely relationship between Ryan and Dylan too. Wonder if it's possible to save all and keep arm. And shame they don't have reunite scenes like years after.

[@breakops5339]

At the campfire you can ask kaitlynn about her life, while she's cagey at first she finally tells us she'd like to be a street performer I guess she loves the spotlight

[@glittery_cucumber]

@@breakops5339 I thought this would connect back to the Carnival somehow! Spooooky! But alas.

[@oliviapope4080]

I was kinda hoping to see more of the characters and how they interacted after it all ended. Like did Jacob ever tell them he messed up the car? What about Nick and Max? Stuff like that.

[@jacksepticeye]

Yeah really disappointing to see it fizzle out with no closure on anyone

[@kaseynickel]

Yeah, I wanted to see more of the couples and who they weren’t/were going to end up with.

[@glittery_cucumber]

We need a 10 episode post-game webseries about this gang of buddies

[@Marigold11037]

It felt way too abrupt but ...not in a "ran out of time" way? Like it felt really planned to have the game end that way but it was really disappointing

[@Sm0k3turt]

@@jacksepticeye they could’ve done interviews like they did with until dawn!

[@Sm0k3turt]

The podcast is one of the worst ways they could’ve concluded this. I don’t know why we didn’t see someone who survived delivering the evidence to the cops. And their appropriate reaction depending on what you find. It’s just very undercooked. But still one of the better games they’ve made.

[@luisgerardobujandalopez4994]

For sure, i don’t know why they made the podcast so terrible, they extended so much, and omg is Anton annoying, the most skeptical motherfucker leading a horror podcast? Like i wouldn’t watch that even if they paid me, suspend the believe a fucking ton, my dude 😤

[@almerarosli4133]

fr I slept on that part 😂

[@justalostlocal]

Like House of Ash style. I think they wanted to try sth fresh, but why not make the good ending so that Ryan starts a podcast a year later and invite Dylan and the rest to talk about it. We can have some charater development moments or funny dialogues like how Emma tries to plug her socials, or Dylan became a programmer / mechanic and got himself a cool prosthetic etc. etc.

[@blackguy_134]

I thought there was going to be a scene at the camp where the characters are explaining to the cops what happened and showing all the evidence you as the player gathered. Would've been more interesting.

[@Manzter54]

@@blackguy_134 yeah and it would be cool to see the cops reaction to all the bullshit that happened. Also though isn’t Travis the only cop in that town/county?

[@MitchellFace]

It bothers me they were looking six years for Silas and he ends up being near the crash site at the beginning of the game and Travis is just like, “Well, never been here before.” SIX YEARS!!!

[@madladdie7069]

iirc, Silas was roaming around and he had just returned recently.

[@MitchellFace]

@@madladdie7069 It doesn’t change the fact that he said, “never been here before.” Like he didn’t even know that cage was there and it looked like it hadn’t been moved since the fire. And why didn’t you think that maybe check the place where the fire happened? I really like the game but holy crap.

[@madladdie7069]

@@MitchellFace oh wow. how did I miss that. i apologise on behalf of my (presumably) sleep deprived self.

[@treg5298]

@@MitchellFace This is just another plot hole, I think. He directly contradicts himself from earlier when he said he knew right where to look and he does lead them right to that spot. How would he know where to go if he didn't know any of it was there like he says right then? Nonsense.

[@kiram.3619]

@@treg5298 That one's explained pretty easily. He's driving to the spot where the first two veered off the road. Because in hindsight, they must've almost run over Silas. Gosh that would've been funny. They don't look up for a second longer, hit the wolf boy, Travis drives up and gets him with a silver bullet. Chaos avoided😀👍

[@highdefinition450]

Yikes that ending, so anticlimactic lol. I wish the characters would have at least gotten back together, like have an epilogue or something? They're all over the place, we didn't even see Nick turn back to a human, Jacob was last seen crying in the woods, Max and Laura didn't get reunited... Like idk, maybe there's an ending with all that but damn, we care about these people, show us what happens!

[@tigerlove525]

This is exactly how I feel too!!

[@emilyhamilton4076]

There is an ending where you see Max and Laura reunite but it’s crazy you don’t get to see that in this one, totally disappointing

[@AlexM-Kaiser]

Exactly. A lot of people play story games in part because they want to connect with the characters. But how are we gonna get genuine closure when basically all of the characters don't get at least a final scene.

[@Lesley_RedRhody]

I tried to separate my distaste for the other Supermassive and Dark Pictures Games. For a while, I did. I even started to like some of these characters, which is something I’ve never been able to say about the previous games. But, in the end- just like all the others, including Until Dawn- Seán was really the only aspect I liked about The Quarry. One of my all time favorite actors, Lance Henricksen, was so criminally underutilized! Sure, he was only a supporting character in Detroit: Become Human as well, but Quantic Dream knew how to play to his strengths. *This game,* on the other hand, was a complete waste of his talent. These are just my opinions, by the way. For those who liked The Quarry, more power to you. I’ll probably watch Evelien play it next, but I’ll only be doing it for her.

[@knightoftheblood1841]

"we didn't even see Nick turn back to a human"

[@adreamofspring_wastaken]

Fun Fact: If you didn’t find any evidence at all during the game, Grace and Anton will start indirectly roasting the player by calling them “lazy” and “they didn’t even try”.

[@c0l4cat]

i wonder if anyone has ever naturally not found any evidence

[@BobBob-zg5lz]

I haven’t tried too hard and found all the evidence

[@c0l4cat]

@@BobBob-zg5lz yeah i mean itd be hard to avoid lmao

[@brendanmystery]

@@c0l4cat yeah cuz our lizard gamer brains would see the interact button on everything and be like "ooh shiny, click button"

[@scubajoe3321]

Lol

[@Wild_Cherise]

The first half of the podcast was kinda boring to me, but I enjoyed the second half. Though, I'd wish the ending was more like Until Dawn, where you see what the survivors are saying to the police.

[@chairjacker]

Yeah I wanted it to end that way too

[@cat_inabasket1510]

Even just idk having footage play behind the podcast audio of characters who had connections to each other meeting again at sunrise, and a hint of the police finding them (typical horror flashing police lights showing up AT LEAST) more than just an Article saying they were arrested, and MAYBE released because of plausible deniability surrounding weird animal attacks. It just feels like a cop out

[@BushMaster420circle]

53:04 When you fart and hope no one else noticed BUT they do xD

[@fatherman3547]

i found it more annoying but i do really agree that the ending would have been better if you saw the survivors with the police

[@tiago9977]

I didn't hate the podcast, I acc found it mildly amusing lol, but I definitely think it would've been much better to get interviews w/ the characters like in Until Dawn & House of Ashes. They could've just had the podcast as an extra feature for anyone who wanted to listen to it, rather than making it the only ending, & forcing you to listen to it during the credits.

[@AshBaby123-ufx]

Me: I bet Silas is gonna be a beas- Silas: I’m laying down, I’m very shootable right now!

[@gmork1090]

Not even a white wolf. Just a slightly paler version of the trainwreck reskinned wendigos they are.

[@ShaimingLong]

Tell that to Dylan's hand! Also if you choose not to shoot Silas, it quickly becomes a massacre, so he *can* be a beast, when given the chance.

[@kevinstephenson3531]

@@ShaimingLong I would have preferred if he only killed Travis if you didn’t. Hell it would better if he had no human form and he was just like that.

[@ShaimingLong]

@@kevinstephenson3531 Yeah, I'll agree with you on that. I do dislike that there's no way to take a path to killing all the Hacketts without player characters dying too. I don't mind that he's got a human form, but it does fly in the face of his role in the carnival. Only being able to be put on show 2 or 3 nights a month doesn't make for the best investment, especially with how dangerous it could be for someone to get a little too close to the bars.

[@dowfreak7]

@@ShaimingLong Given the "feral pale boy sighted up and down the coast" bit that Travis mentioned, I would assume that "human form Silas" at least had some obvious animal traits even outside of the full transformation. Yes, we see his form for a second at the end there, but it's probably his mannerisms, more than purely his appearance. And given how "weak" entertainment was back in the day and the fact that freak shows are often either just handicapped folks or fake, Silas just looking crazy wild and eating raw meat or something would probably suffice for visitors. Kinda wish they expounded on his actual origin a bit, tho. Probably the weakest part of the story that you go this whole "werewolf lineage with rules and shit" route, but then you keep going back in history, uncover all the werewolves and end at "yeah, this guy was just a werewolf all the time or something and his maybe-mom was a witch/ghost".

[@hpsgdg]

Laura basically did all of this just to cure her boyfriend and we don’t get to see them reunited? Wow

[@3ki3ra3]

LITERALLY. IM SO HEATED

[@coffeeaddict9605]

There is one ending where you get to see them. If Ryan and Travis die, instead of going to hunt Silas she goes straight to Max and you actually get to see their reunion. She comments on his amazing outfit too.

[@srialekhyananduri7036]

@@coffeeaddict9605 So we just picture it as canon either way.

[@goldencove2670]

@@coffeeaddict9605 oh good, thank you

[@td1574]

Laura is honestly one of the only characters that were badass, if not the only

[@Kateb23]

Imagine how much could’ve been avoided if the Hackett hunters just opened their mouth instead of stalking behind the kids like Michael Myers

[@peatypop6306]

Bruh, exactly. I always give way too much information when I'm doing something because i hate it when a simple avoidable misunderstanding happens.

[@aidanswartz9186]

They have to, it’s a video game lol

[@wonderland4515]

Right? A lot of this could've been avoided if everyone just improved their communication skills lmao

[@gomskiii]

They knew there were werewolves lol. I'm assuming the point was that when in the forest, there was no time to explain anything. Just try to cover them in blood and continue trying to find the white wolf before it was dawn

[@thewanderingwolf7116]

tbf, it seemed like the whole family was undereducated and undersocialized. I got the impression that they just don't understand proper etiquette and were just trying to complete the mission they were given - keep the kids safe and don't get bit. They don't seem like they have the skills to think that they should tell the kids so the kids could help them.

[@susanschubert1222]

Imagine how much shorter this game would have been if the Hackett family was just good at communicating their motives

[@shedevil5624]

or locking up the werewolves so they couldn't bite/infect anyone

[@Histra_Tyr]

or by jake just leaving the car alone

[@brandon_mac6267]

@@Histra_Tyr or if they canceled the summer camp

[@Histra_Tyr]

@@brandon_mac6267 actually, yeah-- if the hackets knew chris was a werewolf, and silas was around... why even run the summer camp??

[@Silver4Hire]

@@Histra_Tyr trying to live a normal life I suppose? They still need money for supplies and it's not like they can go to the cities for a job

[@MultiBecky1234]

I can’t imagine going through survival circumstances just to be charged with murder with no evidence of what happened.

[@breerea9928]

Well, to be fair, charged doesn't mean convicted. Also if Ryan was able to send in information and proof to his favorite podcast they probably weren't convicted (plus the second news clip saying more info lead to the belief of their being unidentified animals causing harm).

[@veggivampire]

I feel like they did not focus on that part enough at the end!! Jack seemingly forgot about it or at least he didn't read the newspaper articles on the computer screen

[@kiram.3619]

I saw an end news paper article, that legit blamed everything that happened on bears.

[@codyeaster290]

@@kiram.3619 They didn't says bears, they said "unidentified animals".

[@kiram.3619]

@@codyeaster290 In every possible ending? I was quite sure i read about bears.

[@Broken_Everlark7]

I feel so bad for Travis. He's trying so hard to protect everyone. His family, the counselors. Everything. He's been hunting down the main wolf that turned everyone so he can free everyone who was turned. This poor guy

[@lordcy9615]

And to think this whole thing could of been avoided if the parents watched their Damn kids and didn't start fires to save a stranger vigilante style.

[@dodhethompson4841]

It's kind of on him, most of the problems in this scenario comes from bad communication skills, if he could be the person that helps communicate that nobody's trying to get killed or kill anybody, and they're trying to solve a problem then none of this would have been an issue in the first place

[@mateleacloverae]

Only for his entire family to die in a single night... Poor dude.

[@mateleacloverae]

@@dodhethompson4841 In part. He could've gone with the couple to make sure they stay at the motel. His brother Chris could've told the counselors that that night hunters would be taking care of rabies infected bears that were spotted in the area or some bs like that. Jacob could've accepted that his summer fling is over. But horror wouldn't work so well if the characters didn't all make mistakes that sensible people would avoid.

[@spaghetits1338]

Seemed like his mom didn’t love him at all either

[@nicknack5697]

Alternate title: Jack continuing his series on what actually won't make you stronger even if it doesn't kill you.

[@BinhNguyen-kt1yb]

2.7k LIKES AND NO COMMENT?

[@UkrainianNarrator]

@@BinhNguyen-kt1yb mhm

[@nicknack5697]

@@BinhNguyen-kt1yb i just realized this had likes when I saw your reply

[@nicknack5697]

I GOT A LIKE FROM JACKSEPTICEYE HIMSELF? bro thats sick

[@auroraborealis3320]

But if the werewolf doesn’t kill you, the infection will heal all your wounds and will make you physically stronger by turning you into a werewolf.

[@jellybob7190]

The ending is the only thing wrong with this game, no apology from Nick, no seeing how that relationship went, no confrontation with Jacob, no conclusion to Jacobs relationship, no kaitlyn slapping Jacob for stealing it, Jacob never saw Dylan’s hand, Ryan and Dylan/Kaitlyns is left open, there’s no reunion, no interrogation and they have you play as Max for a sec just for no one to ever see him again

[@JustSomethingElse]

I were playing monster hunter so i might have missed it... Wtf happend to Max????

[@Chris_Cross]

Apology from Nick for what?

[@milesfinnegan6015]

@@Chris_Cross i'm guessing for making out with emma at the fire?

[@darielysoto2977]

Exactly. I didn’t really mind the podcast I fell like it’s kinda cool considering there’s actual podcast of unsolved crimes irl. The thing I didn’t like was the lack of reunion. Like the counselors couldn’t see each other, explain what the hell happened and finally reassure themselves that they were safe.

[@Chris_Cross]

@@milesfinnegan6015 That wasn't him though

[@bri8661]

I like how Jack even correctly guessed that the other option for Max would have him swim across the lake and get killed before he finds anyone else (he gets killed immediately upon exiting the lake if you choose to him swim). Man basically wrote this game.

[@drujam1766]

But he already said he did write this game since like the 1st video?

[@littlemrsmods7998]

​@@drujam1766 Bro why are so many people taking that seriously. He was joking

[@DSeriesDVWDExtendedCabLongBedM]

@@littlemrsmods7998 theres no way that dude was being fr

[@theincarnationofboredom207]

Jack: "I'm a pacifist!" Jack, no more than 20 minutes later: "let's just kill this whole family (except Travis)"

[@jadenharris6560]

We love Travis

[@bambidanger1098]

✨💅Travis💅✨

[@WhoamI-yz9nx]

Emma: "Maybe I just don't like to see other people sad" Is that why you kissed Nick specifically to upset both Jacob and Abi, and continued to egg Jacob on when he was already crying? Oh, Emma, you're so kind and altruistic...

[@tyresr]

Lmao this game’s character writing is wack! They’re so inconsistent

[@oathlivionn]

FRRR what kinda “cheering” up was that bro 😭😭😭

[@melaniep8761]

Those werewolf encounters really did a number on her. She completely forgot who she was before it, lol. I think they were trying to go for a redemption arc possibly but it does feel strange

[@akakurapico]

and because of what she did abi ran off which got nick bit....

[@jacksepticeye]

Wait yeah! That makes no sense now hahaha

[@dylanwalker7641]

funny that emma says she doesn't like to see people sad but she kissed nick just to make jacob jealous

[@sagethemage9870]

​@@bananapepper3899 yeah I think that's the exact thing that sealed my dislike for Emma

[@JC_Cali]

Yeah, but that's not sad - those are different emotions known as "jealousy", "anger", and "disgust" 😂😂

[@The_Falcon27]

Liar!

[@The_Falcon27]

@@sagethemage9870Emma was just a snotty character from the start

[@tallstar513]

EXACTLY. I was tired of her.

[@forgottenmoonlight]

I have three things that disappoint me about this game: No one interacts after the night ends, some of the characters lose purpose after a certain point, and the werewolves don't really look like werewolves in my opinion. They look like the wendigos from Until Dawn. I couldn't even tell the 'white wolf' was supposed to be white, I didn't see a difference.

[@RemRinniri]

Same! They lit just look like they 'repainted' the Wendigos. They didn't even look remotely wolfy... Incredily bizarre to me. They could've just made up some creatures and it would've been more interesting, really. That sort of broke the immersion for me whenever I saw the creatures... I was like, 'is this werewolves...?' Maybe they just didn't want to animate fur or something? Even so, give 'em a snout or something with some crazy fangs, idk.

[@cloudbasedbear]

yeah it was as if we didn't even need to save Jacob since all he does in wander aimlessly after being freed

[@forgottenmoonlight]

@@cloudbasedbear It's like they planned for him to die, and a few others, but it was for the players to decide so they couldn't just kill them

[@hotdog8109]

Jacob and Emma were victims of the determinant fate. Early deaths mean less content. Nick is even worse, literally just gone for 90% of the game and only one possible death. After Laura is brought back, the rest of the game is dropped entirely. It’s like if once The Stranger showed up in Until Dawn, he became the main character and brought Chris along and they were the only people who mattered.

[@forgottenmoonlight]

@@hotdog8109 they planned to focus on Laura it seems but their game formula is the exact opposite with multiple characters in focus so they did as little as possible with them until Laura came back

[@saraharnold2059]

This game started SO STRONG. I agree with Sean on alot of points, but the ending?! We didn't get to see everyone reunited, and then that "podcast" was painful. It felt very rushed. :(

[@tiffanydesireedahlia3141]

There is an ending in which certain characters are reunited, it's just very specific on what to do to get said ending.

[@saraharnold2059]

@@tiffanydesireedahlia3141 That's so strange! You'd think they'd want everyone to see that ending and make other things or dialog more specific? Ah well.

[@scsi_joe]

"This game started SO STRONG." @Sarah Arnold - 100% agree with you Sarah. It had good vibes at the beginning.

[@SeraphimxSins]

@@saraharnold2059 That's kind of the point of having choices that actually affect things in this game, you really shouldn't take Jacks playthrough as the whole experience this game has to offer. His is just one path.

[@baisale36]

@@SeraphimxSins they have a point tho, the game kinda just ended and that’s it. Not seeing anything after felt kinda lazy

[@little_kates]

If Travis had just told them who he was from the start and been like, “Yeah, that’s my brother. I know he’s not up there right now so y’all should go to this motel instead.” a lot of shit could’ve been avoided.

[@Azenithf]

There have probably been many ppl before this that he couldn't trust. Laura murdered his family anyway

[@Manzter54]

And also Jacob not being a stupid simp

[@fourcatsandagarden]

Or even later on, in the jail, he could've told Laura about Silas being the main wolf they're looking for that would break the curse on everyone.

[@datpotat3945]

Or, you know. 'There's a bunch of hunters out there tonight. I gotta keep an eye of them and you can't drive home right now, so stay inside.'

[@user-ft7fq4ou4v]

There are so many bits where if any of the people who knew what was going on had said anything, everyone could have been a lot safer.

[@SaritaWolf]

Travis: We can still save Caleb, he’s all that’s left of my family. We just have to kill Silas. Mr. Septiceye: Right, right, right, of course. *Caleb enters* Oh this one must be Caleb. Pass me the silver bullets, ladies

[@munkayttaja6913]

If u don't kill Caleb then Caleb kills Dylan or Kaitlyn or both. It's hard to save all 3

[@The.Red.Woman.]

@@munkayttaja6913nooo they trick caleb into going into the freezer

[@munkayttaja6913]

@@The.Red.Woman. that's if you have the toy in abigails bag and if u trap him there he turns back into human and freezes to death

[@adreamofspring_wastaken]

You can actually save Caleb, Kaitlyn, AND Dylan simultaneously. However, this requires Kaitlyn to get infected in Chapter 9. If she is infected, all you have to do is miss the QTE to shoot Caleb with the silver bullets and that's it.

[@rylangrimes1239]

As a nurse- anything penetrating the lung, major arteries, or the brain- NO TOUCHY. Anything else is a 50/50 chance Also the shot at Ma was perfectly portrayed in graphics!!

[@quadeemon3986]

My friend got stabbed recently and I took the knife out, but I remembered your advice and stuck it right back in

[@CosmiccNova]

I love medical expertise about video game graphics/decisions 👏🏾

[@yous2244]

@@quadeemon3986 good work, but it's better to stick from the opposite side. More symatical.

[@wisxey7626]

@@yous2244 HAHAHA, i like it picasso

[@CorndogCrusader]

@Infinity!!! 🅥 Shut the fuck up. Nobody falls for this bullshit anymore.

[@Flanneryschickens]

I'm genuinely annoyed that there's no ending like in Until Dawn where they're all being interviewed by police. I would really have liked to see what happens when they all get back together at the lodge...Jacob is just in the woods crying...Kaitlyn and Dylan are around...we don't get to see Max and Laura reunite...Even though we got the curse of the fortuneteller as a kind of overarching storyline, it felt unfinished. Like they just didn't want to write the ending

[@peatypop6306]

It would have been cool to show all the evidence to the police. I was really hoping they would do that.

[@vexkelclover]

In the ending it says the teens were charged. They got arrested, that's all we know

[@VincentsGirl5]

You can see Max and Laura if you pick the choice where Max leaves the island. Its riskier and can get him killed but he can survive it and they reunite there.

[@escain7742]

@@vexkelclover You could argue that since the article changed to "unidentified animal loose in North Kill Forrest" they were set free after the initial inverstigation.

[@genevieveroy780]

I was really expecting interviews like in Until Dawn where they explained the evidence to the police, and then you would get a different post credit scene depending on if you found enough/“good” evidence.

[@andrewcassells99]

So earlier in the game everyone was saying that if Bobby had just talked to the campers a lot of this could have been sorted out quicker and it kind of felt like a plot hole in the game but after "Ow! You stabbed me! That really hurts! DAAAAD." I 100% believe that just straight up didn't occur to Bobby to try talking

[@anonymoustoes]

Bobby really feels like Lenny from of mice and men. He’s very strong but kind of naive with the whole “ow you stabbed me” thing. Like… he just seems like he’s not all there. And the overalls he’s wearing also make a good reference to Lenny too.

[@darkljs]

Bobby wasn't the only one with an opportunity to talk to them though... but the biggest plot hole for me is the family having electrified cages, but they don't turn inside of it

[@BeetleBuggy01]

If I had to guess I think he has a developmental disorder or at least is a very big stupid idiot like the horror movie stereotype of “ very big strong guy who acts very “childish”/isn’t very well socialized”

[@cinnamoth_art]

​@@darkljs thats what gets me, they could literally go into the cages to turn and it would solve alot of problems

[@EuphoriaInBloom]

Oh geez. I thought he was being sarcastic when he said “ow, you stabbed me” Like he was saying “you think a small knife wound is going to kill me?”

[@v1de0gamr23]

"Or just a way out maybe? I'm done being chased... and stabbed." Yeah, you can tell that this night has been hell for Ryan by the sheer number of times he came dangerously close to accidentally expressing an emotion.

[@kimgkoi]

Imagine having an ending where Jacob just doesn't mess up with the car and you only play Laura and Max lmao That would have been hilarious

[@dubiousdeliquite6641]

Honestly their story couldve made for a really kickass movie: one where the main couple is a werewolf and a werewolf slayer trying to save him, maybe have a scene or two where she has to fight him or he has to hold himself back, and a scene where he fights another werewolf to save her, etc

[@the_real_ewe]

@@dubiousdeliquite6641 sounds like demon slayer XD

[@dubiousdeliquite6641]

@@the_real_ewe huh, it does doesnt it? Maybe it would also be like demon slayer where whenever max gets angry his boobs triple in size

[@Manzter54]

Or if you just don’t investigate the bunker as Laura or Max… that’s a possibility right?

[@kimgkoi]

@@Manzter54 omg even better lmao the game just ends because nothing happens 💀 I'd love that as an ending it'd be so funny

[@chuchisneko]

The podcast at the end actually was painful to get through. I don't think I have ever wanted a game to get to the fucking point more than at that point.

[@AnimsArtist]

it was extended to be long enough for most of the credits

[@thevioletskull8158]

@@AnimsArtist it still was bad though

[@xKiittyWhitex]

@@AnimsArtist normal podcasts are long, they definitely missed an golden opportunity. It was painful xc

[@AnimsArtist]

@@xKiittyWhitex true but let's say for instance you didn't get much evidence or there isn't must sponsors to show, then in that case how much longer can two people go at talking about something that they don't have enough evidence to show is bizarre yet bonifide

[@logan666]

It’s Emily Axford and Brian Murphy They are comedians and writers. Brilliant!

[@qorbanhall]

I don’t know if jack will see this but when you choose whether to swim or stay for max. If you choose to swim and he swims across he dies immediately a painful death to the werewolves. Your pure good choice skills paid out dude.

[@NewbGamingNetworks]

Its somewhat strange that they didn’t put max in the end scene of “who died and who lived”. Or maybe I just missed it. Idk. The ending felt a little premature. A lot of potential left on the table.

[@ardentulent]

@@NewbGamingNetworks max is in the end "alive and dead" sequence- first one they show :) i totally agree about the ending though. yeah it was technically done but it still felt abrupt somehow?

[@jacksepticeye]

A very crappy death that would have been

[@solar.apocalapsi]

@@jacksepticeye hi sean

[@M9Nein]

I'm not surprised tbh. Max didn't really seemed like a character who could fend for himself or think things through. And without a weapon or a clue about what's going on, he would die pretty quick.

[@baileygobrr]

i love how sean was so bored by the podcast he literally started reading the credits and recognising names lmao

[@white_vargr1999]

That’s why I’m in the comments right now 😂

[@blakearmentrout7717]

laughed even harder when his xbox went into power save mode TWICE! during that long af ramble because even it couldn't be bothered lol

[@vyckygy6626]

I find it awful how Silas' mother kept her son in the cage and showcased, but then whined about how "her poor boy suffered". Yeah, he did. Even before the fire.

[@xiotv910]

So wait, he was already a werewolf before the fire?

[@vyckygy6626]

@@xiotv910 yes.

[@foduscaralho]

@@xiotv910 yeah he was part of the like traveling sideshow

[@VleesetendPlantje14]

I really wonder how he became a werewolf. Was he born a werewolf? Was he bitten by yet another werewolf that’s still out there? Or did did his witch mother curse him for freakshow purposes? How bad a mother was she really? The Hacket kids broke him out of his cage just before he turned werewolf so there is nothing to suggest that she kept him in that cage all the time. For all we know she could have been locking him in that cage only on nights with a full moon to keep him and the rest if the world safe. But using him for a freakshow did not exactly deserve the award for best mother of the year

[@vyckygy6626]

@@VleesetendPlantje14 totally agree, it is all very interesting. But wait, now that I think of it, if the kids wanted to save the werewolf, doesn't that mean that he was probably in the cage most of the time or at least poorly treated? Otherwise, he could've escaped sooner by himself. Just thoughts, though... But yeah... "My boy is turning into a monster every full moon? Wellp, time to make me some money" x-x

[@brooklynjb1250]

I don’t care. Nothing will top the HYPE that the ending of Until Dawn had. Seeing every character meet up again, the music, the monsters, trying to get everyone out the house. it was just SO GOOD. i just wish this game had that character development so you can get excited about saving all the characters.

[@loganwittlief6215]

Exactly you don’t even get to see them meet back up at the end you only get a very annoying podcast.

[@idontcareaboutyouropinion8494]

Hype .? 💀 it ends the same no matter what lmfao. Hate when people think choices in these game actually matter.

[@marvertjaysonneyra457]

@@idontcareaboutyouropinion8494 what are you talking about? Of course it does, you can save characters or kill all of them, its your choice, i mean i know supermassive games are not on the same level as detroit become human, but still

[@batenutt]

@@idontcareaboutyouropinion8494 bruh what do you mean the game is literally a choices game ofc they matter. There is a lot of hype because we actually had character development to the characters and having these beloved characters meet back up again after actually surviving to the end is so rewarding.

[@dhhayden]

@@idontcareaboutyouropinion8494 Tell me you only watched one ending without telling me

[@TheSpartaRemixers]

"What doesn't kill you, will make you stronger" Jack: *But what if...*

[@scratcheseyeballs]

all the time lmao

[@thomasthetrain3375]

I really hope the game designers learn from what people REALLY liked about this game, and what people were disappointed by. They create such interesting stories, I can’t wait for them to make one thats amazing the entire way through

[@EldritchMcPie]

Next game will focus entirely on the Bizarre and Bonafide podcast, got it.

[@syra1541]

agreed, I think they can learn from this

[@tiaxanderson9725]

Jack: "I think this is a red herring; these guys are actually trying to help me" *hides, runs away, and does everything in his power to avoid them* Jack: "I'm a pacifist!" *decides to kill the entire Hackett family including non-cursed*

[@Player_Redacted]

That kinda makes me wonder if you let yourself get caught by the hunters if they'll end up surviving and helping you throughout the game?

[@nicolesorlie8920]

It seems that if you dont kill the two parents they just get mauled by werewolves anyway. So maybe its not blood on the councilors hands but they end up dead anyway.

[@Starrii_Eyed_Devil]

I was kinda upset when he decided to kill the whole Hackett family because there is a way to save them and break the curse for them😢 lol

[@YTLogi]

In for a penny in for a pound. Dude killed two and said “fuck it they all die”

[@witzitzilin]

@@Starrii_Eyed_Devil is there really a way? I thought only the cop survives in the best ending

[@SpectraLight]

Man the podcast credits thing was awful lmao. They should've done the same thing in Until Dawn with like the police interviews with all the survivors. Oh well, loved the series!

[@orangeman3220]

They leaned more unto the internet aspect this time, but also with the VHS motif. It's kinda all over the place, and we didn't even get interactions from the characters post-game.

[@LPSAnimalAC]

It was a good idea, its just they kept talking about abunch of extra junk that didn't matter.

[@samclark5156]

I legitimately think the whole podcast debacle dropped my rating of the game by like half a point. It was so unbearable.

[@robyboy7097]

That’s actually kinda what I was hoping for. I noticed that it said psycho teenagers arrested so maybe if you find every piece of evidence then they wont be arrested or something. Also I think jack should definitely replay until dawn considering I was thinking about rewatching his until dawn series any way

[@chessa8468]

@@robyboy7097 yeah if you find more evidence I think Travis gets arrested instead, I found almost all of it and it said Hackett arrested at the end

[@blankness8]

Jack ruthlessly plotting to kill the entire Hackett family like he's trying to win a game of Monopoly is the funniest fucking thing to me

[@AnimsArtist]

it's actually an ending if you do kill all of them and don't kill silas

[@beaphoria]

LMFAO

[@Vampxiii_]

Okay but I love them showing Jacobs vulnerability. Men get enough hate for being emotional. So I like that they showed it here in the story.

[@naan000]

especially a jock, himbo character showing vulnerability?? the devs were so real for that

[@damaiadavis839]

“Little” Bobby going “ow you stabbed me :(“ is almost as funny as them calling him little Bobby

[@robyboy7097]

It’s was funny when he said dad like he was about to snitch on Ryan

[@madison4598]

Regarding the lack of character development: I just realized we also never found out how/why Ryan grew close with the Hacketts. The moments where he seemed suspicious felt like they were leading to somewhere and then never did. It was just "Chris is a good man." that wasn't enough for me to want to save Chris

[@reelgesh51]

Mentioned at the start that ryan looked up to him because he was having family issues as he didn't have his parents and thus saw chris as a father figure (we can easily assume - though he does have his grandparents) - moreover he has gone to the camp many times and has spent time with chris's kids again as mentioned at the very begin of the game - from what we can understand the camp is the only real escape ryan has from his home life

[@datguybriley8457]

For some reason i feel like ryan knew an element of the truth but didnt want to say anything because he never had proof

[@madison4598]

@@reelgesh51 that's fair, I just wish that story was told better, or that the bond between him and the family felt more genuine or something. It fell a little flat for me, but maybe that's partly because it's a horror game and I was expecting some kind of twist that never happened lol

[@luvhair255]

@@madison4598 I had the same feeling about Ryan's relationship with their family.

[@6Ghostgarden]

I wish Nick got more time as a werewolf vs friends, increase that tension that every wolf that you kill has a chance to be your friend. They kinda just had him jump out the window and he was forgotten.

[@sfc0450]

That had potential for some cool dramatic moments, like a chase scene where you have the option to shoot him with silver, but you need to make some difficult choices to escape without killing him.

[@ecovrse]

@@sfc0450 if emma gets bitten at any point she will be a werewolf in the car and can kill abi/dylan or kaitlyn can kill her with a silver bullet

[@clinouhmaniac8400]

Travis is the only family member you actually get invested in, and I'm so happy he survived in your playthrough haha

[@WomenRQueensNMyFaceIsTheThrome]

I know you can save the rest of the family and kids which is interesting how you can but i don't really care either, Travis was the only one i cared about lol

[@symbolik4372]

Dylan definitely favorite character. And that whole scene in the scrapyard *chefs kiss*. Dylan was the only one to have creative ways to take out the creatures, the radio feedback and dropping the car. Everyone else had to use one of the two guns. Also, what i find really funny is that we all got a sense that Kaitlyn knew how to use a gun and only fired one shot at the werewolves at the very end, come to think of it she was probably the least helpful in the story after Chris. Which is a shame since i liked her character.

[@iarbaaz]

true.Kaitlyn's character was wack af. she gave idea to jacob to remove part to stay longer.

[@Mommyquackk]

@@iarbaaz yea and like why would u say what part to take out to screw up the car, it was really obvious that he wanted to stay another night. Everything that happened to them, happened bc he wanted some more love

[@prakh1250]

I hope we get to see Dylan in a game sometime in the future maybe. And with a robotic left hand lmao

[@carnuatus]

Am I the only one who ships Ryan and Dylan 😂

[@symbolik4372]

@@carnuatus Nah, i did as well. Partly because i thought i could ship Chris and Kaitlyn since emma was being very toxic to chris but Kaitlyn and Chris had great chemistry.

[@w0lfsouls]

The podcast in the credits was god awful. I was really hoping there was going to be a police interrogation at the end since the game has you collecting clues and evidence the whole time. Dylan is my favorite character throughout the game because of the creative ways he fought back against the werewolves such as the radio cabin, using the crane in the scrapyard and using a blowtorch to fight one off.

[@theflyingdude6523]

EXACTLY. I was expecting something like at the end of untill dawn. Who the fuck cares if some conspiracy podcast is gonna be the ones getting the clues md mot the police, which would have determined if the characters we wanted to keep alive end up in a jail cell or get to prove to the world about it all.

[@purplepartytigerd1598]

Police interrogation would've made *muuuuch* more sense

[@Sudupe16]

I actually kinda liked the podcast but no one agrees with me.

[@purplepartytigerd1598]

@@Sudupe16 Ok, explain why you liked it

[@King1559]

@@Sudupe16 I liked it too. They needed to do something different because "Until Dawn" ended with police interrogations.

[@theacentricbean]

The Scrapyard has honestly the BEST SCENES. Dylan and Kaitlyn tag-teaming to drop that car on the werewolf is BALLER.

[@zoemarengorivera127]

it genuinely felt so intense and fun, and with the music?? brilliant

[@ajheck3429]

69

[@VleesetendPlantje14]

I liked that idea with the motion sensor lights, that could be interesting for other horror games or movies, you can see a light turning on in the distance which means a motion sensor has been triggered but it’s far away so you can’t see whether it’s the monster or other people And then you see other lights turning on on the monsters path, it creates suspense, which way will the monster go? Which light will turn on next?

[@L-tb9kk]

ABD THE MUSIC made it so much better, honestly my fav scene

[@DaBlueIghuana]

Hell yeah! Probably my favorite scene just for Dylan using the crane

[@nateshade]

How did Chris, resident werewolf who hates water, not think to suggest "hey kids, why don't you park it on the island tonight? My treat?" Boom, no werewolfy threat to them (they'd have met laura and max and then thought hey let's stay on a boat then)

[@WomenRQueensNMyFaceIsTheThrome]

That's actually smart, then they could've looked for Silas without worrying about killing the family or getting infection themselves if everyone they knew was on the island lol

[@mikaelanarr9400]

That requires critical thinking, which none of the Hackett family has😂

[@white_vargr1999]

Or all the infected could just go on the island instead ? Bring everyone else to the Hacketts’ house, only Silas left to hunt in the woods ? Dunno, lots of much safer possibilities than just, scrapyard, chained to a wall ESPECIALLY since they like had cages -_- meant for the weres as well. It was quite painful

[@qa377]

Why not park the kids on a boat? Like "hey there's gonna be dangerous stuff in the woods tonight, take the party boat". Or park the known werewolves on a boat(s) and the kids on the island.

[@munkayttaja6913]

Bc staying in the lodge would have done the same thing, lock the doors, stay inside. The only threat even remotly close by was Caleb and he would not just go to the lodge for no reason, the hunters would've dealt with it and kept them safe if they didn't have to worry about stupid kids running around. Also max was already bit and in the island. Also they would've had the party anyway and it would've led to everything that happens in the game anyway

[@lucaswickmansound]

Dylan is 100% my favorite because he’s exactly what I’d assume a millennial/gen z to act like in a life or death situation

[@Hashisamba9]

He gives Ryan Reynold type vibes

[@Mot-o1e]

Gen-z maybe... Millennial.. nah. Just nah..

[@bunniecore5413]

FR. Being nervous and not knowing what to say when calling the police??? Gen z moment.

[@MrLoverman7134]

Isn't he gay?

[@nalii2740]

@@Mot-o1e Even millennials can be bimbo brained.

[@Iceman-kr6df]

Dylan saying to swim in the lake all night was so satisfying for me, like once I learned that they can’t go in water I’d be sat out in a boat or a pool floaty with a couple beers watching them howl at me, then just wait to see if Silas pops up so I can pop a cap in him

[@robertgronewold3326]

Oh my god, perfect plan. Just put a radio blaring and they'll show up on shore

[@paladinboyd1228]

What if they work out how to sail?

[@Iceman-kr6df]

@@paladinboyd1228 *panik*

[@Iceman-kr6df]

@@robertgronewold3326 playing werewolves of London and other lycanthrope themed songs Ofc

[@enderstrikegaming8578]

I would do the same thing, but I'd have a way to get them to piss off, like put batteries in the megaphone or just have anything that can make really high frequency sounds. Hell even a fucking violin would work. I dont know what a werewolf would do to get across water and I'm not keen on finding out lmao.

[@ltstarbrite]

"Ow! You stabbed me! That really hurts! DAAAAD." Oh my God, that is one of the best pieces of dialog in this game 🤣

[@WhoamI-yz9nx]

I'm still laughing at "You mean a heard of bears?" - "Yes... I've heard of bears" a day later.

[@traviejnr]

@@WhoamI-yz9nx Yes I’ve heard of bears, easily the best one of the game that still has me laughing as well!

[@Whatareevenbirds]

my personal fave was "You shot me! Im telling mom!"

[@mookima]

lmao i loved ryan's and dylan's part

[@ConnorKrohnicles]

The “I hear you breathing, little girl” was a bluff, kinda like how when I get home late at night I yell at my imaginary robbers to make sure they’re scared lol

[@kolgrimthunderhammer]

First of all, love the series and largely agree with the praise and criticism but there is one thing I think Jack missed. Ezra was actually more connected to the story to me than the Psycologist in Until Dawn. She is actually attempting to influence both the player and the counselors to kill off the Hackett family and I find that fascinating. She is the one that guided Laura and Max to the fire site in the first place, shows Laura and Max where the silver bullets are, and even comments that "one vermin is gone" when Kaylee is killed. Of course it gets more obvious after that but even if you think about the kinds of futures the cards show they are often showing how to kill the Hacketts in human or werewolf form. She is actually the biggest misdirect in the game since you shouldn't listen to her if you want to save the most lives.

[@emperordemon8605]

Agree, but the main piece of evidence you can do is that, in until dawn, the psychologist is actually not real, just a hallucination by Josh in his mind so of course he won’t have a massive impact on the plot. It’s just a way to show how Josh is losing his mind throughout the game even if you don’t know at first.

[@ssunsspott]

Wait, Eliza?

[@caffeinedubz]

@@ssunsspott yes, eliza

[@ezrabridger3322]

Eiliza*

[@robertusputra6882]

Yeah2. The psychologist in Until Dawn was just a storyteller. But now, the storyteller becomes an influencer. It does not merely tells stories but also shifting an influence

[@itszucchini]

“Travis finally ended the curse that haunted his family for 6 years” what family...

[@K0lng]

Hahahha. Me myself and I.

[@farhansaputra4257]

i was kinda hoping jack didnt kill caleb

[@ConstantDisciple]

@@farhansaputra4257 I'm pretty sure Kaitlyn dies if you don't kill Caleb in that scene.

[@cornstalks4122]

Solution: Just sit in the goddamn canoes all night. No hypothermia, and in the middle of the water where no wolves can reach. There are SO MANY canoes that they've been running past

[@IrisSonata]

lmfao

[@silent-hills]

Literally what I thought as well! And if they’re cold, the could grab a few blankets before heading to the canoes.

[@justinapelo6575]

You just solved the game

[@Swordsoulreaver]

or if the hunters talked to them and said "hey, some shits going down you need to come with us." I guess the counselors might not believe them, but they will after the first or second werewolf attack.

[@cornstalks4122]

@@silent-hills yeah like canoes are straight vibes and they KNOW that the werewolves can't touch water after a while

[@emmanuelfernandes8316]

I knew the motion sensor lights would used that way but when it was revealed while Dylan was on the crane was magnificent

[@avelainehoneycutt446]

Ryan could have easily been the “Josh” (Until Dawn) of The Quarry. He had such a strong attachment to the Hackett family. There could have been scenes where certain decisions made it so Ryan betrays the counselors in order to protect the werewolves. Then maybe some insight of why he is so close to the Hackett family besides just spending time at the camp with them.

[@Kelarys]

he has the option to not kill Chris which results in his death, which is really lacking a bit as far as what choosing to kill a man he truly respects should cause him to go through. Definitely some wasted potential

[@amukhb8608]

He's the most boring character

[@alektasdiarydump]

I could tell pretty quickly that Chris Hackett was a kind of surrogate father for Ryan, hence his hesitation later, but they reeeaaaally didn't establish that or execute it very well. The only scenes that had for that, that I can remember, was when Chris had Ryan join him in the office to talk and Ryan mentioned his home life and what not, the few times he mentioned he knew Chris and his kids pretty well, as well as had stayed at that camp for years, and with his hesitation to kill Chris, even as a werewolf. Nothing else. Not even some distress after shot Chris (assuming you chose that route). Among other poor execution for other stuff but I digress. Even though it didn't seem like he was in on anything to me, the potential to use him in a more antagonist role, even if it's more on the neutral side, would have been nice as well as make sense with his character. As well as the opportunity for Dylan to be used as a reason for Ryan to have more of a reason to choose the group over the Hackett family. I mean, the options would be The Hacket Family you have known for years and has helped your dire family situations a bit over the years vs some kids you worked with for 2 months that kinda made fun of you from time to time, or The Hacket Family you have known for years and has helped your dire family situations a bit over the years or your love interest that has shared trauma with you. Bit more incentive.

[@aquariaaaa]

@@alektasdiarydump I think if Ryan chooses truth during truth or dare Emma asks him what he and Chris talked about in Chris’ office. If Ryan chooses to answer truthfully he says Chris gave him life advice and the segment kind of alludes to how Chris has been an important and helpful figure in Ryan’s life (as his home life is difficult and he has no father figure other than Chris) but yeah it wasn’t very well established

[@cathammer5283]

Honestly that Silas shooting scene is pretty genius. It felt weird at start, but after thinking about it, the "ghost" was trying to mess with their head all the time. Trying to make them doubt their choices. By giving the player multiple prompts to shoot, the player also starts to doubt if shooting is the right option. A wrap up would have been nice to have though.

[@Fi_Sci_]

Like the interrogation scene we got in Until Dawn with all the characters describing what happened, and how it affected them.

[@w1ll1amtv]

Yeah I'd take a wrap up over that podcast hahsh

[@alimhm7341]

That's how hollow got the characters killed.

[@channel45853]

if it were me playing at that moment, I would've been convinced and wouldn't have shot

[@AriiAniaismyname]

That's why I love the old lady/hag/Eliza's character so much. Throughout the entire game, she's both helping us, the player, and also speaking to the players as ghostly whispers to mess with them and also try to guide them. But as it develops and the more we see from her "visions", it becomes clear that she's trying to guide the player to do her bidding. She can't do what she wants (kill the Hacketts) so she has to use us. She's trying to be a puppet master.

[@g0ld3n101]

the fact that the mascot is a sheep and the counciler is a werewolf is basically referencing the quote "Wolf in sheep's clothing". That's really clever.

[@hopegalaxy]

This game is inconsistent and incoherent sometimes. One moment you get something that's very cool and clever, as you said, and the next moment, You get the weirdest things you've ever seen.

[@은지-u3c2o]

Dang i feel bad for Travis, he lost basically all his family in one night :(. And he still asked for help to save the rest of the family he has

[@oliwermattsson1913]

yeah

[@nicholasnicholson7942]

And then theres jack "im a pacifist" also him 5 minutes later: "idk you so i dont care that you died" he had me rolling💀

[@ashleyharrison861]

I love that the only things Jacob did in Jack’s play through was: Strand everyone, get mad, strip naked, lose the rotor arm, fail to help Abi or Nick, abandon Emma twice, get his foot caught in a bear trap, get knocked out and imprisoned, and then get released only to wander off into the woods and break down crying. Way to go Jacob, really putting that machismo to work 🤣

[@selkiefluff]

He is a mood, though.

[@td1574]

bruh Jacob was absolutely useless 💀

[@fishlady7930]

At the end I felt bad for Jacob. He must, Canon wise, feel terrible guilt for what he did. If you killed any player imagine how low he would feel realizing he wanted one last night with Emma got people killed Fuchs you up. Could only imagine if had a game play where Emma dies dude would loose his it permanently I woukd assume. Also any of his deaths are sad, either drowns in the lake if you get him stuck, mauled by any of the werewolves, turns into a werewolf himself, or do the bear trap chioce wrong and he goes head first into the trap next to him. Or lives and cries in the woods till the sun comes up.

[@jjc5871]

I said the dude was a pansy from the very beginning lol.

[@iambabyyoda5522]

In this playthrough Jacob is just so derpy and he’s just comic relief

[@xxib4vry]

i felt bad for ryan at first when there was that whole "the group is bored of ryan", but by the end, i understood why they were bored of him. its really a shame that they didnt give more to building ryan and dylans relationship, it feels weird to include it if it leads nowhere. dylan and kaitlyns dynamic actually ended up being my favourite to watch, and dylan ended up being my favourite character. i think i just like goofy guys lmao its a shame we didnt really get to see nicks character very much, but that was understandable considering what happened.

[@AriiAniaismyname]

I totally agree, but at the same time, I still kind of ship Dylan and Ryan. I think it would've been fun to see their relationship develop a little more than them just talking and hanging out a tiny bit with Dylan doing all the flirting, and then Ryan cutting off his hand.

[@Shane3599]

His character was so bland and dry for me, his monotone voice didn't really help either. He was also acting so much like a teacher's pet in the beginning... I ship them but like they didn't really interact that much either... Dylan's my favorite too. He had more depth to him.

[@tiannacowan6999]

100% agree. nick was my favorite at first (mostly because he's aussie, i can't lie) but dylan's optimistic and banter-y disposition, especially after getting his fucking hand chopped off, really grew on me so much that he ended up being my favorite by the end. i found him snooty at first, but now i absolutely adore him.

[@SaintShion]

Tbh I've seen this actor in other things and I'm ALWAYS like "I want to root for you, but you're so boring". He always talks like this and has v few facial responses. Worse yet is in the description of the game he's supposed to be the MAIN CHARACTER. WTF. Hes marked as "stoic" and "humurous" WTF

[@SaintShion]

@@oriandthesleepytime if you dont break into the girls bunk, Dylan won't loose his hand the WW will chase the others and Dylan will fix the PA

[@Sensuka]

This ending feels like the Devs needed another 6-12 months but some dude in a suit walked into the studio and said "Nope, we have to release it this year!". Easily one of the worst endings from all their recent games combined. I still think this is their second best game after Until Dawn. I heard this is supposed to be their last (horror) game. I hope that's not true, please do more games like this & Until Dawn.

[@bodigames]

its not their last lol. stop believing random dudes on the internet. the studio has literally confirmed to make a `Until Dawn remake.

[@drewdawg125]

@@bodigames I’m with ya but a ‘Until Dawn’ remake isn’t a new horror game

[@Alex-mg6sb]

This won't be their last horror game because they're already continuing the "Dark Picture Anthology" with the new game "The Devil in Me" wich trailer released a few days ago

[@gabago0l]

Man of medan and this game pale in comparison to Until Dawn. They had one big hit but couldnt release others that were as good as Until Dawn.

[@railenherman6482]

@@gabago0l House Of Ashes was amazing imo.

[@Jcage22]

so glad Jack decided for Max to stay. literally that one choice could have killed him instantly with no chance to avoid it

[@generichuman2044]

I hated that. I chose for him to swim back and it felt so cheap when he was insta killed.

[@pinkkam]

​@generichuman2044 this is because the game has a lot of bad writing in it. They needed Max to be a playable character. So for that to happen, he needs at least one death scene, and it's not even good. Honestly, Max is a good enough character without it. He didn't need to be playable. Or at least give him more than one death, or something! What's the point of making an extra character playable if it adds nothing? I thought Max should leave because he could find Jacob and help him 😭

[@bradybulzone3257]

I love how even in the last episode Jack is STILL talking about what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger scenarios. Like what if-

[@idunno3370]

but have you considered if his arm was cut off? then how would that make him stronger? he'd just bleed a lot then have to adapt to a one-armed life that doesn't make him stronger! and what if-

[@Zoroaster4]

Well he does have a point, it's a stupid saying. I think the motto may be referring to the werewolf 'infection' though. Cause if the werewolf kills you you won't turn. If it doesn't kill you but makes you turn then that would be making you 'stronger'. I don't know it could have to do with the people who have healed from the werewolf bites, like the girl from the first scene was made stronger from being turned.

[@erodnelps4965]

@Fishy Business then you'll get an arc reactor replacement, much stroger

[@reydragonclaw1128]

@@erodnelps4965 sounds like an Iron-Man implant lmao

[@td1574]

@@Peter_mikaelson that means enemies wont be able to grab you so easily 💀

[@LeOnIdAs162]

The ending felt a bit rushed. At least one small scene of everyone back together hugging it out was definitely a must. For sure there were some cringey lines of dialogue but overall I enjoyed the game !! Thank you for sharing the whole thing with us Jack

[@benjiewoods4865]

This is so so accurate, a bit more closure for sureeeee

[@geegeegee7]

I agree. I was expecting Eliza to be the last boss of the game because of her taunts. Also the way they found Silas is just... So flat. No last epic confrontation whatsoever. All those build ups ended so poorly Edit: i also have to mention that I at least, expected Silas to be big white wolf or have different features.. but it seems like they just use the same model for all the werewolves :/

[@CoushattaL]

@@geegeegee7 I thought she was gonna pop up when they all got back to camp together. Was surprised that didn't happen.

[@bryandodson3267]

i wanted nick to bone abi

[@mina1lust]

totally agree

[@PearlescentMoon]

I agree that Until Dawn still holds the #1 spot, but The Quarry did end up being an entertaining 'watch' regardless. However, there did appear to be a few holes in TQ's story/actions that just felt like they didn't make sense and had me questioning multiple times what was going on and why certain things happened. Maybe this is just how you played your playthrough Jack, but I also felt there were less unexpected risky situations. From memory, Until Dawn had a lot more 'shock factor', where things just weren't expected from making small actions and had more gripping entertainment value. TQ felt very much like your standard horror film and one of the only shocking parts was when the mum got her face taken off. Great game either way; just had some holes and lacked unexpected substance in some areas.

[@nothanks1657]

agreed, even after watching 2 people's playthroughs (admittedly making a lot of the same choices, but still with some big differences) i have multiple unanswered questions.

[@awesomedavid2012]

Wow it's a surprise to see you here!

[@briantarrant4907]

u r good at Minecraft

[@paperremix]

I think the quarry is okay. I actually like House of Ashes more as weird as that may sound. Until Dawn is top of the chain of course

[@sjpink99]

I agree! There were times when I was making decisions totally thinking I was gonna get someone killed later, but a lot of the choices honestly seemed completely inconsequential in the end.

[@genesissabiox4475]

It really does feel like the choices in this game do not make that much of a difference, or if they do, they are connected in the most bizarre way possible. Half the time you make a choice, the character doesn't do what the option said it was going to make them do. Like Jacob being in the woods. It gives you a choice to either call out or stay quiet. Even if you stay quiet, he still calls out "Hello?" seconds after you made the choice. And here, giving Laura the chance to run. She stands still while the man gets back up, gathers himself, and pulls a gun on her once more. She doesn't even leave that room. I understand people put a lot of work into the character models and the scenery in this game is beautiful. But the writing feels somewhat lazy, like the choices are more so "personality quirks," rather than a relevant option for story development. The story just goes in its own direction most of the time, completely disregarding the paths it gives you. Even holding your breath. It's displayed in the tutorial as having a major role to the overall outcomes. And yet, you hold your breath, the character immediately runs out while the antagonist is still in the area, and they get chased anyway. So, basically, no matter what you decide to do, be it the "smart" choice, or the "dumb" choice, the character will still commit to a terrible decision without the player's control. To me, it ultimately just feels like cheap writing. If you're going to give me choices, then at least let them make somewhat of an impact to the story of each character. Sorry about the length of this comment, but this is my biggest criticism. I feel enough folks talked about the ending, but this is what bothered me most, truly.

[@crypt7cmsp]

i agree! continuity with their animations and choices is what really gets me. dylan's a prime example since he literally loses his hand; if you played through and didn't cut it off, he still never fully uses it, he continues to fumble around. i understand it takes so much time to animate and design alternative cut scenes and models along with respective movements and animations, but it feels so lazy. the game genuinely forces you into either killing off the characters based on poor choices (whether that be by your own hand, or through forced scenarios like having to call out despite not choosing to) OR you can let them live then never see them give the storyline any further depth. you spend so much time bonding and trying to keep all of their relationships in tact for absolutely nothing to come out of it - no reunions or follow up whatsoever in the end. i really appreciate how gorgeous the game is at times but how can you expect players to enjoy it and want to seek out the alternative options and paths if doing so provides absolutely no difference from the main direction the story takes?

[@angryboi595]

Yeah. I would’ve loved it if you had a route where you actually save Nick instead of running away even tho you chose help and that results in Nick transforming and killing Abi and getting let loose, this causes him to not be captured by the Hackett family members

[@isefomfise]

essay

[@bananajoe7365]

@@crypt7cmsp actually at the scrapyard if Dylan drops the torch(fail the second qte) he would reach for it with his left hand, so no hand means he'll die. Cutting his hand off will actually greater his chances of dying as well

[@bananajoe7365]

Out of all the characters I think Emma is the only one who could have 2 different paths in the game, first is when shes with abi and then with Jacob at the end. The rest pretty much have the same ending or can just die early

[@dingdud6602]

I really like what they did at the end with Silas. The mom didn’t want you to kill him and the game actually managed to make you question if you should as if the mom was really in your head trying to stop you. That was amazingly cool and well done.

[@annammatilda]

Ooooh but you were supposed to stop the first time and not raise the gun!

[@pinkestelle558]

Fr it was very cool. Ive never seen a game try to manipulate your choices so heavily before that was crazy. I wish more games would be creative like that and mess with the player and make them question their morales/choices. That’d be sick.

[@andiebrown262]

@@annammatilda I believe not raising the gun there, gets travis shot and killed as he tries to take the gun himself. Jack wouldn't have wanted travis dead (me neither ngl)

[@aedanm4183]

“If it’s me or him, imma kill an old man.” seconds later “IM A PACIFIST”

[@coranbaker6401]

Must have been the werewolf talking

[@ChildOfChaos07]

Exactly. 🙄😒

[@oneringtorulethemagicarp7199]

pacifism doesn't mean sitting down and dying

[@vaniatalithacastro6908]

my goodness. After everything this game showed, ending it with that “podcast” was undeniably the most boring thing ever. And i agree with everyone disappointed about having no character reunion at the end.

[@sunshinegamer1981]

Guess they had to tie in Ryan's supernatural podcast comments earlier in the game somewhere, though I would've preferred an outro like the Dark Pictures Anthology with the Hag of Hackett's Quarry making statements about the end result depending on how much evidence you found or how many cards you had.

[@benkinsey13]

I quite enjoyed the podcast at the end I thought it was pretty funny

[@vaniatalithacastro6908]

@@benkinsey13 yeah, i think the concept of using the podcast to discuss all the evidence the player found is pretty interesting; it all just came down to execution. Because like Jack said, they were saying everything that you would normally cut out from a podcast lmao

[@benkinsey13]

@@vaniatalithacastro6908 I guess it depends on what your type of humour is I quite enjoy casual humour and the conversation between the two sounded like something I would say to my friends lol

[@RealSweatyGamer]

@@benkinsey13 It was distasteful to a lot of people because they clearly used the small talk and jokes as filler for the credits, when there was lots of things that still needed a conclusion.

[@kidsbelikethat249]

I was kinda hoping that Eliza, the "hag of HQ" would actually turn out to have been there in the woods for those 6 years and she'd like run out and try to stop you more than just very quietly whispering "my boy". I think more people wouldn't have killed Silas if there was actual like pressure from a person on you not to do it

[@kevinstephenson3531]

Or if he didn’t kill you if you didn’t.

[@bananajoe7365]

If she would turn out to be alive, then she would have just kill the Hacketts herself, or maybe she could even plan this whole night by sabotaging the van instead of Jacob lol

[@michelle6337]

The Hackett's are so frustrating because they all had so many opportunities to just TALK to the counsellors and try and explain what was happening. The hunters came across Jacob so many times, and instead of saying, "Hey, bro, we're here to help you" they poured blood on his face, hit him, and locked him in a cage. Same goes for Kaitlyn in the lodge. And how was Laura to know that the werewolf she shot wasn't Chris, when no one told her that there was more than one Hackettwolf? So much death could have been prevented just by using communication skills instead of scare tactics. And that doesn't even touch on how many deaths the Hackett's presumably covered up. We know about the missing hikers and the cars being disappeared "off the books." And what kind of crazy people welcome hoards of summer campers into that situation? You have three werewolves in your family and you decide to have a bunch of children and idiot teenagers right next door? What the hell? Okay, I'm done justifying my massacre of an entire family.

[@muaddib4329]

yep its the "idiot plot" trope. The plot falls apart if any of the characters doesn't behave like an idiot and communicates anything clearly. Also....that summer camp lasts what? two months? They say in the game that full moons happen once a month? So there was a full moon DURING the campers stay? Did they keep them ALL inside one night?

[@emilyprice178]

For the summer camp question, the answer is probably simply keeping their livelihood. The summer camp was established in 1953, well before 2015 when Caleb was bitten and passed on the curse to his other family members. We see from the evidence in-game that the Hackett family was struggling financially. They probably couldn't afford to shut down the summer camp. What I wished the game answered though was what they did during the full moon that happened when camp was in session. The camp went for two months, so there would have been a full moon during that time.

[@salinasanders9253]

Yeah I don’t understand why they didn’t just move the dates of summer camp to add buffer days between the full moons. Why does camp start 1 day after a full moon and end 1 day before it? NO leeway whatsoever if anything goes wrong. That’s stupid.

[@Sadaaaaf]

To be honest I thought the same as you but like... thinking about it..? Ryan probably would’ve took a gun and been like NAH SHUT UP UR A LIAR!!! Like he doesn’t even care for proof he’s always skeptic. And when he does this no one stops him they just say “oh it’s up to you man!!” Like Kaitlyn to Ryan when he was aggressive to Laura’s story

[@LainaInverse]

This. The writing is just so... poor. The characters were mostly decent, but the story just falls apart with a hard enough nudge. You could have explanations and still keep the element of tension going!

[@sergenic2499]

Jack: “It’s like I wrote this game” Also Jack: “What if it’s a giant 9ft Weresheep named Ian??”

[@xbox360guy19]

"But what if I had my arm cut off?"

[@Guess_the_movie1]

"there's going to be a skinny dip"

[@ohrourke6481]

"There Could Be A Bear Somewhere?"

[@runyoufool2856]

I was actually hoping that would be another scenario involving were-sheep ian.

[@kevinstephenson3531]

It would probably resemble a werewolf more than these werewolves do.

[@viksaru1019]

The thing about these games are that they have so many endings and so many choices. I really hope Sean makes another video even though this is the end.

[@LaboraPlays950]

Don't go to my channel section..

[@dinandvanderschoor2373]

He already did, there is a playlist on his channel saying there are 6 vids but 1 is blocked for us

[@LaboraPlays950]

Don't go to my channel section!

[@viksaru1019]

@@dinandvanderschoor2373 Well thats relieving. Really needed more

[@williamsauls6253]

Said he would

[@artimusbosworth8895]

My biggest question is why didn't Travis did tell them that Silas was the one that needed to be killed? Laura wouldn't have been focused on Chris in that case and he probably would still be alive...am I missing something?

[@alwa6252]

I’m thinking either Travis was hoping Laura and Max wouldn’t figure out it was Chris who bit Max which makes him stupid cause as Laura said herself it was kinda glaringly obvious orrr it’s just a plot hole

[@SovietReunionYT]

That whole family is terrible at communication. I blame Constance's parenting.

[@bananajoe7365]

They haven't found Silas in years, so no point in looking for him. Laura figured Travis was protecting the werewolf in the basement, which is Chris. She overheard the brothers arguing about the incident and she immediately went for Chris. I don't think Laura will believe Travis if he ever talks about Silas, and if so Ryan is the only who saw Silas. Besides, they only have one night to end the curse and finding Chris is way easier, at least for her( That final scene where they face silas was very underwhelming )

[@bananapepper3899]

I think that; like we know, Silas hadn’t been in that area in years. He’s most likely very far away, further than they could ever hope to reach him in one night of looking. Chris bites max, so travis has to try and fix the situation, because he’s a good guy and isn’t about to kill a couple of twenty something year olds to cover up their secret. He didn’t want to tell them what was going on, but when Laura said they knew max was a werewolf, that plan was out the window. So now, he knew they knew. If they knew, why not try to make the best of the situation? He feels he alone is keeping the family together and desperately wants to find Silas and end the nightmare. So, he shows Laura Max’s transformation, and shows max the recording of that. He’s trying to get them on his side. He gives Laura the poem which holds the information of the werewolves: the infectious bite, shunning of water etc. (Meaning Laura now knows, if she kills the werewolf who bit max, he’ll be cured) But, travis doesn’t tell them about Chris being the werewolf in the bunker. Travis doesn’t want to put a giant target on his brothers back, so he comes up with a lie about "not being able to kill the wolf, cuz he was trying to protect them". This seems to work somewhat, so he gives her the offer of hunting the head werewolf (I’m pretty sure the white werewolf *is* mentioned in the poem, so technically she does know about it, and since she didn’t know then that Chris was the one who bit max, finding Silas seemed like her best shot at curing max). She considers it, although max doesn’t trust travis and thinks they can’t believe what he says (after all, he had kept them locked up for 2 months). It seems like Laura’s going to take Travis up on the offer, but then Chris shows up. She overhears their conversation and figures out that Chris is the werewolf responsible for turning max. Well hallelujah, there’s their ticket. Why waste time on finding the head wolf that’s already long gone, that they may never find, when Chris is right there? Sure it’s sort of immoral, but she loves her boyfriend and wants to help him. If she needs to kill someone then so be it (in game, when talking to Ryan, she seems he’ll bent on ending Max’s cure that night. She REALLY didn’t want to be stuck until the next full moon). Travis doesn’t know they heard his conversation, so he’s non the wiser to their plan of killing Chris. So, they trick travis and escape the station. Now, when at the camp, she’s trying to find him. Travis never has a chance to try and talk her down. Even if he did, how would he convince her? "Hey, please don’t shoot my brother. I know you both have a future planned together and want to cure max ASAP and shooting my brother now would achieve that, but why not /not/ do that, and instead help us hunt the head wolf that we haven’t seen for 6 years and have no real proof of his existence?" I don’t think it’s very convincing and Ma probably wouldn’t want that either. Laura killed her sweet Kaylee after all. Ma would probably be very hostile towards her, so Laura really wouldn’t have much of a reason to trust travis. I think the game could have been better, and maybe certain plot points should have been explained clearer (and all in all the lack of communication from the hacketts is very infuriating, especially since there’s no real reason for it. I think the story should have been thoroughly analysed to prevent plot holes and unclear motives, like for an example; why the fuck they would run a summer camp near their hunting grounds and for what reason they thought it would be a good idea to end camp on the day of the full moon? (Also the fact that camp was 2 months long: meaning that there should have been a full moon in the middle of camp, which makes 0 sense (it’s even seen when Laura and max are locked up at the police station))) But I certainly enjoyed it and this particular part of the story doesn’t really bother me. Sure it could’ve been explained better, but when you think about it, it does make sense.

[@peanut9560]

In the poem he did tell her that it started from the “white wolf”, however Laura seems to be so angry towards Chris and Travis that she only hears that if the wear wolf who infected the individual dies, the individual is cured. I don’t know where laura got the idea that Chris was the first werewolf Honestly if everyone just listened to the Travis and Chris Hackett much of this could have been avoided.

[@tylertheparadox9699]

I think most of my problems boil down to just to me feeling like the ending was incomplete/rushed. I think a much better ending would be for everybody to meet back up at the lodge (including Nick, Jacob and Max) and have a showdown facing Silas. I wanted a big showdown where multiple characters could get killed with one bad choice like the ending of Until Dawn. This didn't give me that The characters felt incomplete. I couldn't connect to Abi, Nick, Jacob, or the Hackett's because of simply lack of scenes/ personality. It felt like Dylan, Kaitlyn, Emma, Ryan and Laura were given the action scenes while everybody else were thrown away. I didn't like the Hackett family being part of it since our characters could have been fleshed out more if they only had themselves to rely on and they had to figure out the mystery by themselves. Also the main relationships we saw just vanished (Ryan/Dylan and Abi/Nick). After their scenes together they basically vanished and makes me wonder what's the point of it in the first place. We got zero closure. Also I would adore watching you play Until Dawn again. I watched you play it when I was 8/9 and was obsessed with it. Also it would be cool to see any foreshadowing that was in the start of it

[@firelordwaffle2987]

some of the characters were very literally thrown away, as they hid and ultimately had very little to do with the ending. I absolutely agree on the closure bit, you cannot just end on a "they survived" while expecting us to invest in these characters relationships.

[@hintofminty]

I think with these types of games, most of the scenes with other people never really get shown unless a character dies and another character is forced to be with them.

[@horgecondaliza6644]

My god 8 or 9? Time flys

[@wooogie672]

you were 8/9?? damn i was in like middle school 😭😭😭

[@studmuffin-o5i]

Unpopular opinion, but when they got back to the lodge, I hoped they wouldn’t have the big showdown like you said. It’s cliché, and it was done in Until Dawn. I’m honestly glad they left it out.

[@HiddenLunarWings]

The only way I can describe how this game felt story-wise is as if the developers created a huge, complex story like in Until Dawn, and someone came in, cut out a full half of it, and said "okay, now make it work." So many loose ends, storylines and characters that never went anywhere. For example: - The Hackette family. They seemed like such interesting characters and that they were going to have more lore behind them, and then Laura shoots the mother's face off two minutes after the player meets her for the first time. Also, what happened to Bobby? It really felt like the original intention was to set up a Chainsaw Massacre-esque family that also turned into werewolves, but again, it feels like half of the game was cut out and that was never fully explored. - Gathering evidence for a police interrogation that... never happened. There was that whole cartoon the devs put into the game about how important evidence was going to be for potentially pleading a case or preventing a character from being detained, and all it actually meant was a headline change for the podcast at the credits that is so god awful that most people probably skip. - All of the relationships between the characters. The first half of the game is watching these characters grow closer together, and then nothing ever comes of it. DylanxRyan/KaitlynxRyan, EmmaxJacob, AbixNick... The only relationship that was fleshed out to any degree was Laura and Max's. - Nick. He turned into a werewolf, escaped, and then we never see him again. He's just... out there, I guess, until Chris is killed? Similar with Jacob. He makes some appearances later in the story, but I agree with what Jack said about how Jacob felt completely tossed to the side because the developers expected players to have killed him off by mid/late-game. - Speaking of Nick, why did he become such an asshat when he started to turn? None of the other characters did. I thought there was going to be a psychological element to the transformation that was going to be explored, but it never goes anywhere. Laura is still Laura right before she transitions, Max is still gentle too. - Many of the characters' story arcs. Emma, for example, seemed like she was going to get a whole redemption arc, and then the devs put her in the basement with Abi for the rest of the game. We never really got to know Chris, Kaitlyn, Nick, or Abi that well either.

[@dryptosaurus]

The only point I wanna reply to is Nick becoming an asshole, because we can see Chris be super angry with the car, and I assumed that before the transformation the people just much more animalistic.

[@xeoney]

The final part of the game definitely feels rushed. It's probably too late now, but I hope there's at least an explanation or even a DLC to explain some things.

[@RandomGirl119]

With Nick, all I could think of was how the other characters, like Emma and I can't remember who else, kept saying that Nick is *_not_* as innocent as he seems. So it seemed like his sweet, innocent, harmless personality was just an act, and when he started to turn werewolf, he couldn't keep up the act anymore and was more of his true self.

[@HiddenLunarWings]

@@RandomGirl119 That's what I was thinking. Jacob commented that he believed Nick had never had sex before, but Emma said that when they kissed, he "knew what to do with his tongue" (or something along those lines). Makes me wonder if that was foreshadowing that he was secretly a fuckboi the entire time.

[@theguy_222]

The fact that Kaitlin wasn’t utilized was so disappointing…She had such an interesting introduction and then that was kind of it? And as Jack said a few episodes ago, maybe if you went with the RyanxKaitlin route, you’d get to know her a bit more..but even then, with Dylan (the route Jack went for Ryan) you still didn’t really get to know him that much. Hopefully they create a DLC and Jack wants to play it.

[@cerenitislays]

There is just a few things I don’t understand about this plot 1. The camp was open for 2 months. Meaning that the counselors and kids were here during a full moon. What did the wolves do then? 2. If they were able to keep the wolves contained during that month with the campers were there, why couldn’t they do the same thing to keep the wolves inside this time 3. The cages that nick and Jacob end up in were built for Caleb, kaylee, and chris. Why wouldn’t they use them every time? 4. If they’re not using the cages because the werewolves just don’t want to be locked up every month, why wouldn’t they put them all on the island for the night and let them free roam the island since they can’t escape it. 5. If Silas has been here this whole time. Hiding by the cage that Laura found when they crashed. How did nobody find or notice an albino feral boy/teen for the last 6 years. And how did he survive in the forest alone when he wasn’t a wolf.

[@pucamisc]

For the last point they said he was spotted on the coast and only recently came back. But still, what was he eating in human form? How did no one Notice him for 2 months?

[@cerenitislays]

@@pucamisc I might be remembering wrong but I’m pretty sure one of the clues says that he never actually left.

[@the_gloria_dei]

I'd say there were probably 2 shifts (as camps are usually 3 weeks where I'm from), so the full moon was in-between

[@HellHoundVideos]

Chris, Caleb, and Kaylee all knew what they were. They lock themselves up during the full moon. The rest of the Hacketts only hunt Silas and anything else he's turned

[@greatwhitesufi]

Lauree and Max probably messed up some things, and I honestly don't know why Lauree was so gung ho into killing Chris there was never any reason to think he was the first or only werewolf, writing wise it just wasted a bunch of time and plot wise it did nothing but kill the Hackett's

[@fs_undercover]

i love how at 1:46:09 the lady was saying how she was gonna haunt you for the rest of your life and how she will never leave you and jacks like "bet friends for life 😁"

[@kevinstephenson3531]

I feel like that would have held a lot of weight if she was the actual origin of the curse. That killing Silas does nothing.

[@shelbee05]

​@kevinstephenson3531 yeah, it would've been cool to have her in the credits or maybe even just a forced jumpscare at the end or in the credits...the threat was just so empty

[@kaheldhena]

Thackett really has been holding the rope above the well. He's such a good boy. I feel so bad for him..

[@anthonylesley982]

Yeah

[@STH_552]

"Yeah" -Anthony Lesley

[@mizu_fumaira]

agree. i dont know why other videos keep giving the title "good end all survive" but kill travis deliberately in the process :"

[@nine_bone_nick]

My biggest complaints about this game are: 1. There are way too many decisions that don't feel like they do anything like making Kaitlyn intervene when Jacob and Nick want to have a shootout only for them to do it anyway. 2. Many decisions also felt like they didn't do what they were supposed to do. Why does the option to "run" make Laura stand still? Why did telling Jacob not to call out in the woods make him yell anyway? 3. The evidence never really did anything. I was hoping there'd be an ending interrogation or something where the last effect the player has on the characters is deciding whether or not they go to prison. To have the player choose what evidence they want to provide to prove their innocence would be a better ending than what we got. 4. The ending. Fucking hell, 15 minutes listening to the most annoying and uninteresting podcast ever is such a horrible way to end the game. 5. Some characters feel completely unimportant. Nick is a werewolf for most of the game, Jacob has no purpose beyond getting them stuck in this whole mess, Emma was a bitch most of the time who just played with people's emotions until the end where they try to make her seem like a caring and selfless person as if the whole truth-or-dare scene never happened, Abi had basically no purpose or development at all despite looking like a very interesting character at first, and many of the Hacketts feel like they're just there and gone without any development.

[@elementneon]

Perfect analysis, well said!

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

I can't answer most of that since it's opinion but the one I can answer is why Laura didn't run. It's because the light was blinding her when she tried to run and making her stop. It's a detail I feel like Jack and several people watching missed. Just like how the electrical box is a simple math puzzle that went completely over Jack's head. The numbers to open the doors are just addition. I will add without spoilers that if you only watched this playthrough you didn't get the entire story. There's a lot Jack hasn't explored that could happen. For example what do you think happens if everyone becomes a werewolf? Play the game yourself or watch other plays or both to get more of the game.

[@nine_bone_nick]

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla I understand that Laura shut the lights off because she was turning into a werewolf, but that doesn't justify why telling her to run doesn't make her run. It's unfair to the player to make her do the opposite of what the game tells you she would do. As for the breaker puzzle, I feel like letting the player look back at the numbers would have been a huge help because not everyone will understand what the game is asking them to do, not everyone will have noticed the numbers before starting the puzzle, and even if they did notice them not everyone will remember what the numbers were. Allowing the player to see behind them would have made it a lot more understandable upon a first playthrough.

[@yukifoxdemon]

I actually think the evidence had a reason! During the annoying podcast, the computer shows "Psycho teens murder rampage", but after the evidence, it changes to "Unidentified Animals Loose" and the article attributes the deaths to dangerous animal attacks. I'm guessing if you didn't get enough evidence, the screen wouldn't have changed.

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

@@yukifoxdemon Maybe it changes based on what ending you get *Hint hint*

[@KingDetraktos]

“Run” and “Stand around and shut off the power to the whole house including the werewolf cages, which will result in the doors opening and not just staying shut for some reason” pretty much means the SAME THING.

[@kahaylawalsh1690]

I wish they had shown a close up of Silas’ human form… ending felt soo rushed.. and separated. Was such a good game till the end..

[@SilentGamer6742]

Bit disappointed to be honest. I can’t believe they’d end the series like this, especially without crediting Jacksepticeye. Didn’t he write the whole thing??

[@iancohen1986]

I feel like this game started off really strong but ended up being heavily weighed down by its flaws. They set up the counselors at the beginning in a way that made it seem like they were going to have some really interesting interactions but that just never happened. They forgot about Nick completely after he turned, Jacob had no purpose of being there and was alone for the majority of the time, it was hinted that Ryan knew something more but it never went anywhere, Emma and Abi weren't given enough to do, and I feel like the only character that was actually fleshed out was Dylan. It would've been really cool if like Jacob was convinced to join the Hackett's hunting force or something so he wouldn't just feel pointless in the story. I also feel that more backstory or dialogue with the Hackett's was necessary to make you actually care about them, because I found myself only caring about Travis. Also ill say it, the ghost lady was fucking stupid, I think they could've found another way into learning about Silas instead of just throwing an entirely new concept into the game that isn't explored whatsoever. The writing was hilariously awkward and bad at times, and the ending was EXTREMELY anticlimatic, with no dialogue between the characters, losing all the payoff or regret your supposed to feel for keeping people alive. Overall, I don't think its a bad game by any means, but it just pisses me off because it could've have been so so so much better.

[@charliecaturnip4438]

100% agree!!

[@kyleanderson6790]

The build-up for Silas was disappointing. All signs led Dog Boy being Ryan.

[@noodleboodle7038]

@@kyleanderson6790 that wouldve been so much more interesting

[@ryanmcflyin4374]

get a life

[@dollygrand]

The issues with characters became painfully obvious to me when I watched a group of 5 people play to co-op version, one of them chose Nick as their only character, one chose Jacob, one chose Ryan and Dylan (and he ended up giving Ryan to the guy who "played" Nick for obvious reasons) and the other two chose Kaitlyn/Abigail and Emma/Laura. The balance between all the playable characters is just sad =/

[@steamrunner207]

Hackett's really leaning in on the whole family trauma "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger' slogan is clearly a play on being mauled by the white wolf as once your turned your invincible except to silver bullets so if the wolf didn't kill you now your stronger.

[@nehakhanom2293]

fun fact! if you hadn’t amputated Dylan’s hand, he turns into a werewolf after the fight scene in the scrapyard, and he desperately begs Kaitlyn to escape when he realises what’s happening.

[@Red-S-267]

How do you avoid amputating

[@Squibblerboo]

@@Red-S-267 If Abi doesn’t break into the cabin to get their bags, apparently it changes what happens to the wire in the radio hut so instead of it getting pulled, it gets knocked out of place and the werewolf won’t be on the roof but it will instead go after Kaitlyn, Nick, and Abi and Ryan has to stop it which means that Dylan won’t get bit

[@keepthebeat929]

@@Squibblerboo Oh, that's what the difference was. Dylan didn't get attacked when I played, and for the life of me I couldn't think of what I did differently from Sean.

[@Squibblerboo]

@@keepthebeat929 Yeah, it’s honestly amazing how a choice that seems so small and unimportant has major consequences later on. There’s also a chance that Dylan and Kaitlyn can be killed by a werewolf Caleb in the kitchen of lodge if Abi doesn’t break into the cabin to get the stuffed animal and the player chooses to hide I believe instead of investigating because the toy is used by Abi to distract Caleb and get him away from them

[@LordDraxius]

For mine he didn't though. I think I got him and Kaitlyn to be more of a team and that avoided it but either way, it was sooooo much fun