WHO WINS?

[@Oceanatornowk]

We all lose when Coney tries to defend an argument

[@jaydenyoo4309]

We all lose the moment he goes "Shake? Shake?"

[@LinktotheFuture-zs9km]

Can we get some Trues in chat

[@meanttoaster7261]

@@LinktotheFuture-zs9kmtrueeee

[@competitively3315]

He says these things knowing they’re stupid you know that right?

[@lancelee338]

@@competitively3315play along

[@heartnet40]

No Coney, a Gorilla cannot pick a Bear up by it's tail and swing it around.

[@hahalerymc6878]

*raise hand* "No Coney, Gorilla aren't beta if they can smash your skull"

[@pokeaust7800]

The tail is too small he would slip right off

[@cototo]

have you seen one fail to do it? thought so

[@josebuendiamartinez9944]

​@@cototo I haven't seen one performing it either

[@wophful]

I'm so glad Coney hates anime bc he'd be way too good at the rage-bait anime fight bs. If I had to hear “No, Naruto would just swing goku around by his tail” I think I'd lose it.

[@jingusflorpus4274]

Oh god he’d piss off so many more people all the time

[@snackknight]

if coney got into powerscaling it would be the funniest thing ever. I want to see him argue if Superman is outerversal or if Gojo has enough hax to beat Dio

[@goggles8691]

Coney should do a stream where chat sends him characters and then he reads their fandom wiki page and decides who would win from that

[@wophful]

@@snackknight Nah he wouldn’t actually scale it'd just be about the aura and the agenda

[@entenboot]

​@@goggles8691This is actual gold

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

*"But what if the gorilla knew judo"* It's opponent should then be a trained Russian bear that knows karate

[@omarg2079]

bears aren't smart enough to learn karate. the only reason why one can give a gorilla the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being able to learn a martial art is because a gorilla is also smart enough to be taught sign language. show me a bear that can do sign language and then maybe i'll consider russian karate bear, but until then stick to actually realistic hypotheticals

[@maratopotato8657]

​​​@@omarg2079The Koko stuff has been debunked btw, no primate has ever shown true linguistic comprehension of any type of sign language. It's actually a really interesting case of scientific malpractice though, I'd reccomened learning about it.

[@SnuggsMcDuff]

it's just dragunov but he weighs 1000lbs and is wearing a cute onesie

[@SilharaTheChosen]

@@maratopotato8657 A clip from the most viewed doc on the subject is played within the first 1:30 of the video, specifically the part that is used to show that they associated the hand motions with basic concepts and not as any sort of language. "Give" "Me" "Eat" and "Orange" didn't have individual meanings but they understood making those gestures = getting food. Sort of like a dog does not know the meaning of "sit" but does know that a human making that vocalization = do this specific thing to get treat or pets.

[@maratopotato8657]

@@SilharaTheChosen Yeah no I understand, I was referring to how Koko the gorilla was the most popular example of a primate "learning" language, i.e. Properly understanding grammar and syntax, being able to make new words from old ones, and using environmental/context clues to understand new concepts. All of these claims were made about Koko, and all of them were debunked. The researcher who cared for Koko has been discredited for both her scientific research and her unethical treatment of the primates in her care. Koko was incredibly smart, and like other intelligent animals was able to learn and grow with her environment, and so she learned how to act in order to make her trainers happy and then the researcher in charge fudged what she wanted to see into her papers. Koko was and is the poster girl for the idea of the "intelligent primate" that humans really latch onto, and she's part of the reason why primates are perceived as so intelligent in the modern world. Not to downplay their intelligence, mind you, just that I often see the misinformation about primates still spread around, and I like to do my due diligence and ensure everyone is aware. We love Koko here, we love primates here, but we also keep people educates about them here as well. P.S. Bear solos Gorilla everyfime, it's so fucking clear that Coney has never spent any significant amount of time in bear country lol

[@ThatRedHusky]

I can tell Coney doesn't live in bear country. I live in eastern Washington. Those damn bears are way smarter than you think.

[@domninin]

When you lay down on the ground they think you're dead they dumb ahh hell

[@ThatRedHusky]

​@domninin they don't think you're dead. We just say "play dead" because it's the act of laying down and protecting your organs. It's just your best chance of survival.

[@anthonyrodriguez9232]

​@domninin Tbf yhe act of playing dead isn't to seem dead. It's to seem submissive. Bears are scavengers, so even if you were dead, they wouldn't be opposed to eating you much less a fresh kill.

[@PigeonOfTheAbyss]

Im convinced the main reason this debate has persisted for so long is because Gorillas walk in an almost upright posture. It makes them appear larger and heavier than they actually are, if you ask people if a Gorilla or Tiger is bigger for example, the answers are gonna be somewhat split, when in fact Tigers are over 100kg heavier. This debate would end the instance people saw an upright standing Grizzly next to a Gorilla. Ironically its the same reason a lot of predators get tricked by us humans, not only because we arent their usual prey but also because humans appear way bigger than their weight would suggest. Cougars weigh about as much as we do, but the height of their heads barely reaches most peoples hips.

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

It's even simpler than that. We relate to gorilla's far more and see some of ourselves in them. So when there's a big gorilla with giant visible muscles people assume it's so much more powerful than anything else because it's like us but way stronger.

[@Animenite97]

humans really are just animals, we're just as dumb as they are lmao

[@deaddreamdance]

@@jacosalvatore7399 He wasn't comparing tigers to bears, it was tigers to gorillas

[@PigeonOfTheAbyss]

@@jacosalvatore7399 I was comparing Tigers to Gorillas. Most people do know Gorillas weigh less than Grizzlies, i just don't think they realize how big the difference actually is. And setting a comparison to an Animal a lot of people would assume is about equal, can help them visualize the effects that upright posture has on perceived mass. A Grizzly is basically just a big ass Tiger in regards to posture, so once you realize even Tigers are 100kg heavier than Gorillas, it sets in just how much more massive Grizzlies are.

[@PigeonOfTheAbyss]

@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Also valid. I bet it also has to do with the fact you can actually see their muscles. Bears hide that stuff under a mass of fur and fat, so they seem less muscular to us. Same with Tigers, the only difference being that in certain poses you can see their muscles and they make Gorillas look like twigs.

[@dawashingmachine9158]

Coney is my favorite streamer because he has never been right about anything ever. Objectively worst opinion on everything

[@oscar1012]

I heard Coney thinks you're awesome

[@SilharaTheChosen]

Nah he's for sure had some hits but it is funny just how bad some of his takes can be.

[@alsocrocs8156]

When ur on the same side of the argument as coney so you know ur wrong

[@endore050]

When I saw TierZoo upload this video, I immediately knew that Coney would be VERY interested!

[@3eve0n]

when I watched the original video, I immediately knew Coney would upload a reaction where he was just coping the whole time.

[@jokerzbp9545]

They say it's impossible to create a bear-proof trash container. Not because they're too smart. But because the overlap between the smartest bears, and the dumbest humans...

[@jokerzbp9545]

I just got to the part where he mentions the overlap

[@Gohka]

Though I do find it hilarious (though not that surprising going by the US election results) that a number of Americans in bear country are kept out of their own bins by an anti-animal lock. However how is it so complicated? I have a lock on my bin that you just use this key tool to lock and unlock, you telling my bears can pick locks?

[@lzy3]

I can’t remember where, but i have heard that the average gorilla is about 4-9 times as strong as the average human

[@tflp1950]

I feel like thats an understatement, the world's heaviest deadlift is 501kg and the average untrained male deadlift is like 70kg. So the strongest human on the planet is over 7x stronger than the average human male already and I imagine a gorilla is still far stronger than the worlds strongest men.

[@wlt3585]

​@@tflp1950(original comment was a joke where an old video kept repeating 4-9 times as strong as a human)

[@elliottaddison8116]

You know, as silly as Coney is, the hand point he makes has a small bit of validity to it. Gorillas are clever and dont like to commit to an all in with anything, much less something larger than it. While a bear is very likely to tank most blows and deal gnarly damage with its claws, there is certainly a world where a strong enough gorilla can grab and pull the leg out from under the bear. This is a strategy they use with lots of different creatures, somewhat of a hit and run. Given enough tries, its not that a gorilla cant beat a bear, but more so that it wont try. A single bear is designed to protect their cubs. Gorillas use stealth to ambush their enemies. One loud guy is a signal to the rest of them to either run or pull up and fight. A more accurate fight between these creatures would be a family of bears vs a small troop of Gorillas in the same small area. the group dynamics play much more into both creatures forte, and would make for a more realistic and interesting piece.

[@Fro00ot0]

Yeah the given enough tries part rings true. A gorilla could probably win 5-10% of the time if it lands good hits, but odds are it's done. What I think could be more interesting is 10 gorillas vs 10 bears. Thats where I think it could even be in the gorilla's favor, since they pull up on you and jump your ass. Meanwhile bears don't have any kind of social structure like that at all.

[@noudls]

Kuma has a rocket fish, KONG got barrels. A fair duel

[@sodapop5778]

Coney has gaslighted me into think gorillas can beat anything with a tail by grabbing it and spinning it around

[@aggapuffin]

Donkey Kong punches the moon, he scales higher than bear for sure.

[@superlagbro192]

Bears got a whole constellation

[@grunkleg.2934]

Ultimately gorillas are too big pacifists to really stand a chance. And then you look at the size difference between the two animals

[@jokerzbp9545]

What if the gorilla caught the bear by surprise? And continued to use "Gorilla Tactics"

[@omarg2079]

True

[@DishonoredRat]

It's shown in the video that gorilla themselves fall to such tactics

[@Gohka]

Man I love that Sparking Zero has become so popular in like just over a month that a channel like Tier Zoo is using the UI elements for his videos haha.

[@epikshaowz]

11:00 had me dying “oh shit he’s playing the last of us” 😂😂😂

[@JoeStinker-ip9mr]

6:40 Bear got me hungry during hibernation. Freak you bear now I gotta start all over again

[@FrozenPizza95]

The Thumbnail baited me into thinking this was MUGEN commentary and I got really excited. :(

[@joshualeespiny7172]

Justice for Dragonfly mains from a few videos ago though

[@tuvillo]

European animal experimentation laws extend to all vertebrates plus squid/octopi. This is under the ASSUMPTION that, for example, fish can experience pain and/or suffering. As chat said, I don't think we can know for sure other than to measure brain waves confirming that something is going on, we just can't know how they experience that. Source: I'm a biologist in Europe, and we had to go through trouble for experiments on fish while everything invertebrate doesn't need any paperwork at all.

[@Big_Trev]

The minute I saw tierzoo upload this I knew this video was coming

[@alexrawlings541]

I was so ready to see Coney watch this one

[@clock3799]

I actually been waiting for this reaction so much

[@SkullBnuuy]

I choose to believe that a bear and a gorilla would actually be chill with each other and be friends. Love Wins

[@personhuman2239]

Coney would beat both of them if he simply oiled it up and threw it back

[@Joshyboy225]

Thumbnail has me imagining a tekken-like smash bros spinoff series with Nintendo’s characters, but instead of the usual platforming controls its tekken inputs

[@schmampus6701]

Never got to say this before but your new outro is adorable and melts my heart each time

[@zs9652]

9:30 Yes fish can feel pain and respond to the stimuli. Many fish are also capable of remembering human caretakers in aquariums. Feeling pain is probably true for longer lived insects who need to care for their body but it is not true for worker ants. Some species of ants have workers and soldiers that do not feel pain when limbs are ripped off. They are still probably aware of damage to their body I imagine. Just more like the Terminator realizing a part has been damaged lol.

[@ngcf4238]

I'm pretty sure I left a comment on the tierzoo video when it came out talking about how someone needs to show this to coney because he thinks the gorilla would pick up the bear by its tail and swing it around

[@Spectre153]

Maybe the gorilas loses this matchup but he doesn't take account about the gorrilas doing cargo upthow upair

[@dan74695]

1:20 it's a chimpanzee

[@co5micwaffle742]

"chimps are monkeys, gorillas are also monkeys, chimps are gorillas" - Coney (probably)

[@BlanekdCheque]

In case anyone is wondering, scientific consensus is broadly that yes, fish do feel pain. They don’t have the same brain structure as mammalians, but have a CNS, brains, and pain receptors as well as displaying similar reactions to mammals with Altered reactions under pain, reactions to painkillers, and pain avoidance behaviors. Evolutionarily, it also doesn’t make sense for them to not feel pain for the same reasons that mammals have evolved the same. Overall, they show the physical distress, so questions about what we consider to be pain gets into the question of animal consciousness in the first place, and especially our perspectives with non mammalian animals. In light of all this though, it should very much be considered with both our fishing and aquarium scenes, since the answer is far more than a simple “No” as structure arguments are reductionist mindset.

[@TramiNguyen-oi3kp]

Awesome Coney video!

[@colekonstance59]

I work in a fly lab and we really don’t know if bugs feel pain because the receptors and circuits could encode any kind of sensation telling them to avoid the bad thing, and we’re allowed to get away with heinous things like feeding maggots iron filings and using magnets to pull them into their food because of it.

[@wizardswine4621]

GORILLA! YOU HAD BURST!

[@TorbjornOfficial]

We all win when Coney uploads (aawww)

[@glenndeH]

When silverback vs grizzlybear finally WHAT?!

[@Inabathtubuv]

LMFAO the tft bit

[@rubberwoody]

Coney is as predictable as the sunset

[@purplepotato1038]

Classic coney contrarian moment.

[@EnbyVess]

I’m curious how much of the effort/budget for those videos goes into replicating game UIs and stuff like healthbars going down. That stuff is not easy.

[@Lozzu]

That Gallick Gun clip was peak editor

[@bravehobo]

3:23 why did the editor make coney sound like that he didn’t make coney look smaller

[@char1194]

When in doubt, bet against Coney

[@Joost8910]

Man, I was hoping for an actual Donkey Kong v Kuma vid when I clicked on this

[@plabcentral630]

Let’s see how he weasels his way out of this one.

[@not_nakuma3539]

we here, we coney watching early

[@AccelgorTheNinja]

Ants actually taste pretty good, Coney

[@jerrybeansmemes]

They sped up multiversus again it’s looking more like the old game

[@calic737]

but can either of them survive an invasion from the broadsword orangutan

[@linkuri6202]

Coney is my favorite streamer❤️

[@omarg2079]

if you can teach a gorilla sign language, you can teach a gorilla brazillian jiu jitsu, and at that point i think that the gorilla's ground game would be good enough to give it the edge over the bear.

[@travellingalchemist3458]

Gorillas can’t learn sign language, coco is a lie

[@thetisor24]

2:15 good job editor, I enjoyed this

[@SilharaTheChosen]

Coney......you are directly eating the pig, you're just not directly responsible for turning it from pig to pork.

[@redzoom727]

Me: Is this Salty Bet? My bet is on the bear!

[@solonsaturngaming3727]

Coney vs Ludwig who would win? Lol a Puff Main vs Coney I dunno he mains but he’s Coney! lol

[@ThePenguinDoesStuff]

LETS FREAKING- *wait a minute*

[@gruntskilling]

Long story short, Grizzly wins or ties most of the time. Claws causes infections which the gorilla cannot deal with, grizzly's teeth are made to bite into flesh.

[@Captain_Bobvious]

Kuma is trained by the Mishima family. He wins 100%

[@JackgarPrime]

Coney will never accept the truth.

[@bottleneck-5548]

If bears were so strong why is there no bear 2?

[@prestonlamb1221]

TENNESSEE MENTIONED

[@ScrubLordCasul]

Coney just accept it bears clear 🤷‍♂️ We love dogs but bigger in this house.

[@laluna29461]

I thought this was salty bet 😢 still a good vid

[@MothTide]

I need to stop watching videos I like because then its harder to rewatch the video on my favourite channel ConeyReacts

[@wichiewamirez5599]

I know this video is going to frustrate me 20 seconds in already lol. Because we all know the bear clears every time.

[@Ztrawby]

Me, Coney. I win.

[@theaa47]

You're telling me a gorilla is HOW STRONG?

[@3eve0n]

not as strong as a bear

[@josebuendiamartinez9944]

Did he also saw the Smilodon vs Utahraptor one?

[@sparki9085]

3:50 Coney, wasn't there a react wars bit about the Russian military bear?

[@appo5]

3:22 coney's filter breaks and his real voice comes thru, editors didn't catch it lmao

[@JBedroske]

Ok but what if the bear had like 50 pounds of coke

[@QueuedUp_]

Hopefully this'll shut Coney up.

[@winky3]

coney ants don’t taste terrible. if I had to eat 10000 of any bug it would definitely be carpenter ants. they taste citrusy.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

But if it was DK vs kuma I think DK wins right? I mean he just buries kuma and then donkey punches him. In Tekken that would do like 90% of Kumas health. Kuma then rage arts but DK is at 0%, then gets final smash and Kuma is just dead. Kuma doesn't have 3 stocks like DK.

[@4546Bean]

Nah, I’d win.

[@LelouchOnTwi]

Man... i thought the thumbnail was for a new Salty Bet.... 😔

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

Hank the Tank zero diffs a Gorilla

[@azuraiis]

ME.

[@WigleyMusicLLC]

Who are the 5 people who gave this a dislike?

[@RoseChan01]

I'm sorry to tell you coney but gorillas can't understand sign language , we taught them to just randomly sign until we reward them they don't know what they're saying

[@caikedelivery3736]

DK dogwalks Kuma and it's not close. I said it

[@BUMFORDYO]

Wtf? Imagining bears winning. UK loses bog bears maul

[@domninin]

Humans most often win against bears but always lose against Gorillas, I rest my case

[@Spectrobits]

Human beats bear, bear beats gorilla, gorilla beats human... It's a rock paper scissors interaction

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

What/where are you referencing? Was there a gorilla war where we lost territory lmao? Pretty sure it's easier to shoot down a gorilla than a bear also

[@3eve0n]

neither of those statements are true? lmao

[@David-b2x7r]

Sparking zero reference was nice

[@spoomoment]

Anybody here listen to Kanye?

[@tymunster]

Mid commentary, 1 single stream, Ive had a conversation about the thumbnail, the video youre reacting to, and which one would be more likely to die to a child in a fight

[@yobbyyobby1764]

first

[@gibgood1898]

33 views what a falloff

[@JohnnyAppleFiend]

Less than 1K likes after 15 minutes? Hate to say it but he fell off fellas

[@unLuckyy_7670]

Please dont advertise gatlinburg, we in east TN are tired of tourists 😭

[@HotCrossB1S]

I hate how some animals just be strong for NO REASON, like hippos for instance have NO WEAKNESS, yes? 🤨🫴 They're faster than you and they're effectively invincible, they eat bullets for breakfast and they'll kill you instantly with NO DRAWBACKS, like how many skill points did they get?! 🥺 Some things in nature... their only weakness is that they won't attack you first. That's so crazy. 😔

[@tuckerhinch4386]

First

[@yobbyyobby1764]

you’re not that guy buddy

[@yolodude7562]

first

[@yobbyyobby1764]

you’re not that guy pal

[@yolodude7562]

@@yobbyyobby1764 true I was late by like 8 seconds