Who Would Win the NASCAR Championship Under EVERY System?

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The Iceberg

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@TheIceberg 11 ай бұрын

What is your favorite NASCAR points system?

@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 11 ай бұрын

The highest score point for Playoffs.

@cadillacjohn1994 11 ай бұрын

Winston format, and 10-man Chase from 2004

@DankWilliams_Jr. 11 ай бұрын

The Winston cup points format that was employed from 1975-2003

11 ай бұрын

The revised Latford system from 2007, with 185 instead of 175 points for winner. I revised it again just for fun, with 190 points for the winner, 175 points for second place and the rest like the Latford system. So race winner can get up to 200 points, if he lead most laps in the race. A nice round number.

@ddarkshadowzguard 11 ай бұрын

I really like the Winston format but the current playoff system at the same time

@MLGProSwag69 11 ай бұрын

This William Byron fella was pretty good this year, would be a shame if someone didn’t pick him to make the playoffs in their preseason predictions…

@iamsyxx 11 ай бұрын

I didn't have him winning a race when I predicted every race winner in January 😭

@JackLikesTrackhouse 11 ай бұрын

Could be worse. I had Blaney missing the playoffs this year and he went out and won the whole damn title.

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

With only 2 wins: Talladega and Phoenix

@stickmanguy5583 11 ай бұрын

@@S.K.R.E.Inc.what about the coke 600

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

@@stickmanguy5583 Oh, right, forgot about that one. Fox was so CRINGE this year

@the_elmeister 11 ай бұрын

You should take a look at Alex Palou’s dominant 2023 season in IndyCar. His average finish was 3.7 this season.

@NexXxu 11 ай бұрын

“This is just a hypothetical situation i know the racing would been different” - Classic quote for Iceberg

@mkwrockers0099 11 ай бұрын

I want to see the 2011-2013 format come back. Those three years had some of the most intriguing championship battles in my opinion. Especially with Carl Edwards and Tony Stewart ending up tied for the 2011 championship. The 2012 championship battle between Brad Keselowski and Jimmie Johnson was exciting as well.

@jek4837 11 ай бұрын

The system was exposed in the very first year by Ryan Newman. He didn't win a single race all year, and even worse, he only led 41 laps the entire season. He finished 2nd in the championship by one point. I still don't like 2011 with Stewart/Edwards. I'd rather have co-champions than a tie-breaker used. Edwards was just as deserving, if not more, than Stewart.

@noahg2527 11 ай бұрын

@@jek4837thinking of the 2014-2016 chase grid buddy, hes talking about the wild card chase format

@jacobevenson8702 11 ай бұрын

@@jek4837”co-champions” is some early Indycar type shit that would cause riots in the modern day. It would make no sense in any possible way to do that

@King1614 11 ай бұрын

@@jek4837Blaney exposed the system this year. When he was running he ran terrible, had a bunch of DNF’s and somehow managed to win a title. Kyle Busch exposed it when he missed half the season and won in 2015. It’s a joke.

@naparacingfan9275 11 ай бұрын

Byron coming back from the greenhouse penalty to win the championship in Winston points is impressive. Loved Blaney winning the title but hate the system.

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

Blame Matt Kenseth for 20 years of dealing with this nonsense

@GoodOlRoll 11 ай бұрын

@@S.K.R.E.Inc. blame Brian France. Kenseth was just doing his job.

@LessGo7921 11 ай бұрын

@@S.K.R.E.Inc.Why should I blame Kenseth for fairly winning under the most proper system?? I blame Penske and Newman for DNF’ing so much despite 6 wins, so Penske whined to Nascar to force this whole playoff nonsense

@alextharsis 11 ай бұрын

For the record, I prefer the Winston Cup format used from 1975-2003 or any similar season-long points system. But if a playoff system is mandatory, then a ten-driver “chase for the championship” shootout is probably the fairest. Sixteen drivers are too many. I would also do away with the “win and you’re in.” Two wins should lock you in. And I’d have only one reset of points at the beginning of the chase. No eliminations. Whoever scores the most points in the “chase” is the champion. The current format with a championship final race has one huge inherent flaw: One could (theoretically) win the first 35 races and still enter the championship final on an equal footing with three other drivers. Put another way, currently if one wins the first 35 races, he/she still faces a 75% of not being the champion. There’s something wrong with a system that could produce that result.

@seannolan9857 11 ай бұрын

The Latford system also has a major flaw: Mathematically speaking, it's possible to win a championship without a single top ten finish. If you finish eleventh every race and lead one lap under caution each race, you'll get 135 points every race. In years where no one is particularly consistent (2002 and 2022 come to mind), that would be enough. A ridiculous scenario to be sure, but so is the idea of anyone winning 35 races.

@alextharsis 11 ай бұрын

Without a doubt the Latford system isn’t perfect, as you point out. It rewards getting a points lead and then driving defensively to protect it. In other words, why risk going for a win when you can finish, say, ninth and then move on? But the one thing it does reward is consistency. And if that is the metric one uses to define the best driver of the year, then it works remarkably well.

@zoelotero 11 ай бұрын

Imo it should be a season long thing, but with the current points system. Do stage points as well, but get rid of stage cautions. And if they really feel the need (even though there isn't) to make some sort of playoff, I agree on a ten driver chase-like system. I'd keep the points system and stage points without cautions, and wouldn't do any sort of "win and you're in" crap; the top ten in points make it, and if someone outside the top ten close enough to the leader they get added as well, similar to the 400 point thing in the OG Chase. The points are completely re-set and the top 10 is tied, while whoever got in on the "close enoygh to 1st without being in the top 10" gets re-set to that points distance (for example, if the top 10 gets put at 4000 points and the 11th guy was 42 behind the leader, then he'll be re-set at 3958 points). And then it's a race till the end.

@ben10094 11 ай бұрын

the system now is to get a gm car to be the champ ONLY

@GJR44 11 ай бұрын

@@ben10094sure and that worked pretty good huh

@sonny_njr 11 ай бұрын

I’d love to see this done for every season since 2004.

@BaronOBeefDip 11 ай бұрын

He has.

@zoelotero 11 ай бұрын

@@BaronOBeefDipThat was the opposite; he did 04 to 2016 with the current thing. He also made 2012 without playoffs as well.

@johngronkowski5132 11 ай бұрын

I have done a lot of analysis on this, these are who I believe would be the champions each year under a full season points system. Remember, that means no Spingate so Martin Truex Jr. does not go to Furniture Row Racing. This also means Carl Edwards does not retire early. Also, you cannot go by full season points system solely because of guys R&Ding during the Regular Season. This happened a ton before playoff points. Champions: 2004 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2005 Tony Stewart Joe Gibbs Racing 2006 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2007 Jeff Gordon Hendrick Motorsports 2008 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2009 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2010 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2011 Carl Edwards Roush-Fenway Racing 2012 Brad Keselowski Team Penske 2013 Jimmie Johnson Hendrick Motorsports 2014 Joey Logano Team Penske 2015 Joey Logano Team Penske 2016 Joey Logano Team Penske 2017 Kyle Busch Joe Gibbs Racing 2018 Kevin Harvick Stewart-Haas Racing 2019 Kyle Busch Joe Gibbs Racing 2020 Kevin Harvick Stewart-Haas Racing 2021 Kyle Larson Hendrick Motorsports 2022 Chase Elliott Hendrick Motorsports 2023 William Byron Hendrick Motorsports So, +1 Championship Carl Edwards +1 Championship Jeff Gordon +1 Championship Joey Logano +1 Championship Kevin Harvick +1 Championship William Byron -1 Championship Jimmie Johnson -1 Championship Kurt Busch -1 Championship Martin Truex Jr. -1 Championship Ryan Blaney -1 Championship Tony Stewart +1 Championship Hendrick Motorsports -1 Championship Furniture Row Racing 2004: Jimmie Johnson beats Jeff Gordon in a nail bighter. One of the best championship finishes ever. 2005: Tony Stewart wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2006: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2007: Jeff Gordon wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2008: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with a large lead over Carl Edwards, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2009: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with 3 races remaining in the season. 2010: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship in a very close battle with Kevin Harvick and Denny Hamlin is kind of close. 2011: Carl Edwards wins the championship with 2 races remaining in the season. 2012: Brad Keselowski wins the championship with a large lead over Jimmie Johnson, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2013: Jimmie Johnson wins the championship with 1 race remaining in the season. 2014: Joey Logano wins the championship with a good lead over Jeff Gordon, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2015: Joey Logano wins the championship with a decent lead over Kevin Harvick, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2016: Joey Logano wins the championship in a very close battle against Kyle Busch. 2017: Kyle Busch wins the championship over Carl Edwards and Kevin Harvick in a nail bighter. One of the best championship finishes ever. 2018: Kevin Harvick wins the championship over Kyle Busch in a nail bighter. One of the best championship finishes ever. 2019: Kyle Busch wins the championship over Denny Hamlin in a very close championship battle. 2020: Kevin Harvick wins the championship with 1 race remaining. 2021: Kyle Larson wins the championship with 1 race remaining. 2022: Chase Elliott wins the championship in a not close battle against Joey Logano, but doesn't win it until the final race. 2023: William Byron wins the championship with a large lead over Denny Hamlin, but doesn't win until the final race.

@zoelotero 11 ай бұрын

@@johngronkowski5132 Idk about 2010, 15 and 16. Specially the first year, Harvick was the best driver that season; I could see Logano winning in '15 if you assume the Kenseth feud doesn't happen due to the lack of a Chase. Also, I don't see why Kyle wouldn't have beaten Harvick in '18. Other than that, except for maybe 2008, I agree.

@johngronkowski5132 11 ай бұрын

The close championship battles from 1998-present: 2004, 2010, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019

@acedelta12 11 ай бұрын

The fact that Byron wins the title in all but, like, TWO of these makes me wonder if Blaney really deserved it...

@nn98b64 11 ай бұрын

I prefer the Winston points system, seems more fitting to reward a champion being consistent over some hot streak (Cough Jeff Gordon vs JJ 2007) Also the 'playoffs' are just some gimmick to me to get more TV ratings, fitting that ever since they got rid of the old system the ratings took a huge hit.

@Weezy10580 11 ай бұрын

For sure, Jimmie has mostly artificial titles

@corbinselanne7990 11 ай бұрын

a hot streak is how Tony Stewart nabbed the 2011 title via tiebreaker over Carl Edwards

@Weezy10580 11 ай бұрын

@@corbinselanne7990 so?

@corbinselanne7990 11 ай бұрын

@@Weezy10580 Carl was in the title fight via consistency despite only one race win at the third round in Las Vegas (exactly how Matt Kenseth won the 2003 Cup title leading to NASCAR creating the Chase to begin with). Stewart, meanwhile, barely qualified for the Chase before proceeding to win five of the ten rounds giving him enough points to match Carl. The tiebreaker that gave Tony the title over Carl was who won more races.

@railsandracing 11 ай бұрын

Hey, Iceberg! Have you ever thought about doing a video on who would be champion in the pre-modern era if NASCAR used the Latford system from the start? That was something I've wondered about ever since I saw nascarman history's video on NASCAR's different point systems. Would Richard Petty have more than 7 championships or would he lose one of his championships?

@seannolan9857 11 ай бұрын

Petty would lose '72 and '74 to Bobby Allison and Cale Yarborough respectively, but he'd take '63 from Weatherly. Other noteworthy differences: Lee Petty wins 1949 (and 1950 if you ignore the ridiculous penalty) Fonty Flock would win 1951 over Herb Thomas. Rex White would win '61 over Ned Jarrett. And Cale wins 1973 over Benny Parsons (actually Benny falls to third behind Petty). Most changes involve who ends up in the top ten in points, since guys who only ran a handful of races would frequently get good point finishes from a great day at Darlington or something like that. The Latford system first and foremost rewards drivers who show up every week, so guys like Herman Beam and Wendell Scott tend to get much better point finishes than they really got.

@railsandracing 11 ай бұрын

@@seannolan9857 Thanks for the info!

@BaronOBeefDip 11 ай бұрын

I'm pretty surehe did a whole video series on this

@zoelotero 11 ай бұрын

@@BaronOBeefDipThat was doing the playoff system in older seasons (mainly the Chase era and a few years before it).

11 ай бұрын

The IndyCar points system has the advantage that the gaps between the front ranks are slightly larger. A driver who improves from 5th to 4th place gains more points than a driver who improves from 15th to 14th place.

@corbinselanne7990 11 ай бұрын

Isn't that what the Winston Cup points system was?

11 ай бұрын

Yes, but in the Winston / Latford system there were only gaps of 5 points (top 6), 4 points (top 10) and 3 points (all other ranks). With the IndyCar points system, the winner gets significantly more points. The distances are not constant. Place 1-2 = 10 points, place 2-3 = 5 points, place 3-4 = 3 points, place 4-5 = 2 points.@@corbinselanne7990

@noahcoleman5556 11 ай бұрын

William Byron also locked up the championship 2 weeks early in Mario Kart 8. EDIT. Oh........... Nvm. Thanks for the shoutout!

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

Not exactly. MK8 points don't determine championships early like Winston (the same thing that brought them down in 2003), it's all going down to the line at the last race

@Taylay7573 11 ай бұрын

Mario Kart, lol

@isaiahburridgemusic 11 ай бұрын

TLDR: Byron had a phenomenal championship season that will never count due to an asinine sensationalist playoff system. Many other championship formats speak the truth of this statement.

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

Pretty much. And this is all Matt Kenseth's fault for bring the Winston points down with an asinine season 20 years ago. A different champion would have been crowned 2 weeks ago

@zoelotero 11 ай бұрын

@@S.K.R.E.Inc.Not Kenseth's fault; he did ehat he had to do. This is on Brian France and those who were around him as well as Steve Phelps and those in charge right now for not preventing it and changing it, respectively.

@jokool_aid 11 ай бұрын

I have to admit that I'm one of those people who's at least curious what would happen in other formats. I'm torn on having any sort of "playoffs" in NASCAR. On one hand, it feels like the best driver misses out on a championship sometimes. On the other, at least we don't have what's happening in F1 with Max already crowned the champion with multiple races left in the season... It's hard having a good system for any sport, and the best person/team doesn't always win it all at the end of a season sadly. I'm happy for Ryan Blaney, but I still feel bad for William Byron because him and his team were the best all season, just coming up short in one race, so I kind of wish they would have it be multiple races at the end instead of "one and done" for a championship, maybe even have it open up to more than just 4 drivers at the end. Other than that, I'm okay with the points system and playoffs since it is more exciting to watch every week like this.

@bloqk16 11 ай бұрын

What Iceberg said about the pre-modern era Latford points system being complicated was well-put. I was an Auto Week subscriber in the 1960s, with that publication doing well with following NASCAR at the time, including showing points/standings updates for the drivers. Richard Petty was much at the top of the scoring in those seasons, winning scads of races. But oddly enough, James Hylton would motor around the track with making laps, race finishes in the top 10 with no wins, but was always within striking distance with points to front-runner Petty; and in one season outscored Petty. The 1966 NASCAR season, according to racing reference website, was a peculiar race season with the old points system, which saw David Pearson as the champ, recording 15 wins that season. Hylton finished second in the 1966 season, with no wins, with 22 top 10 finishes. Petty, coming in third that season, won 8 races, with 22 top 10 finishes. Yet, at season's end, Hylton had an 11 thousand point lead over third place Petty.

@seannolan9857 11 ай бұрын

Even under the Latford system, Hylton outscored Petty in '66. Though John Sears of all people would have beaten both of them for second. As for points that year, Hylton finished 4th (which was worth third place points because they skipped points-ineligible Don White) at the World 600, getting 3950 points. Petty DNF'd and got 850 points. At the National 500, he lost 2000 points to Hylton, and over a thousand points each at Riverside, the Atlanta 500 and the Firecracker 400.

@bloqk16 11 ай бұрын

@@seannolan9857 It's nice to know there is someone else that's aware of the old points system NASCAR had. You seem to have a better grasp of its structure than I could ever figure out. Maybe my ADHD made it difficult to wrap my brain around the Latford points system; as it always seemed odd that a driver could pile up the victories, while another would putter around the track; whereupon that also-ran was within reach of taking the Cup championship.

@jamiethornton6101 11 ай бұрын

The thing that's pretty obvious when you look at all these formats and think about his results through the year; William Byron deserved the championship title this season. That's hilarious with the Mario Kart points system.

@chasebriscoefan19 11 ай бұрын

So to sum it up, William Byron got robbed out of the championship

@bob8776 11 ай бұрын

All he had to do was pass Blaney at Phoenix to seal the deal

@boo1_gaming927 11 ай бұрын

Honestly though, Mario Kart is a more legitimate sport than NASCAR is, and that is a game where you get items randomly based on your position and distance from the leader in various utility, anywhere from banana peels to a flying shell that targets the leader. At least in Mario Kart tournaments, it doesn't come down to just one race to determine a winner.

@xennialski Ай бұрын

Great video! I'd love to see a similar video about who would have won in the 1980s and 90s under the current system!

@diecastcollector7982 11 ай бұрын

never watched the other points systems since i started watching in 2020

@nascarfanatic2425 11 ай бұрын

You know what, since someone thought of keeping track based on the Mario Kart 8 points system, I think I'm going to do a project of my own: the 2023 NASCAR Cup Series points standings based on the Mario Kart 64 format. (This might be really tedious. Lol

@benmcgill5316 9 ай бұрын

I really dig this video. I am a huge Ryan Blaney fan, heck I was a big Dave Blaney fan from back in his days in the World of Outlaws. However, it is cool to see it in all formats. Great job man for this video.

@pinkiepromise666 11 ай бұрын

Loving the Mario Kart standings. NASCAR to Rainbow Road in '25!!!

@PaperBanjo64 11 ай бұрын

Which one?

@pinkiepromise666 11 ай бұрын

@@PaperBanjo64 I'd want 64 personally haha

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

DS all the way

@pinkiepromise666 11 ай бұрын

@@S.K.R.E.Inc. Love DS too. And 7!

@hunternixonfishing2500 11 ай бұрын

The latford is my favorite. But now a close 2nd cause I hate this playoff format is the original 10 man chase. I wish they would go back to that it’s the right balance of consistency, fairness and entertainment.

@SuperNASCARrocks 11 ай бұрын

I will always prefer the Winston Cup format but I also liked the wild card format. I believe the wild card format should make a return.

@booyah8848 11 ай бұрын

Old points pre chase would have created legitimate battles throughout the season rewarding the best driver all year

@runrafarunthebestintheworld 11 ай бұрын

The Mario Kart 8 points format is a funny one. 😅

@mattcardarelli 11 ай бұрын

Iron Byron…. The Mario cart point system was pretty damn accurate if you look at the season as a whole. I’m with Noah Coleman on this one!

@grahamcrackergaming1540 11 ай бұрын

One points system that could be used since I usually don’t see it around is the IMSA points format. I’m definitely am gonna have to try to use it and keep up with it for next year since I kinda don’t have the time and energy to go through all of this year to figure it out. But I think it’ll be interesting given how many points r awarded for IMSA. The system goes like this, ya get points for both qualifying and the race. Once qualifying is done points r awarded like this: 1st-35 2nd-32 3rd-30 4th-28 5th-26 6th-25 7th-24 8th-23 9th-22 10th-21 11th-20 12th-19 13th-18 14th-17 15th-16 16th-15 17th-14 18th-13 19th-12 20th-11 21st-10 22nd-9 23rd-8 24th-7 25th-6 26th-5 27th-4 28th-3 29th-2 30th-1 Once the race is concluded points r awarded like this: 1st-350 2nd-320 3rd-300 4th-280 5th-260 6th-250 7th-240 8th-230 9th-220 10th-210 11th-200 12th-190 13th-180 14th-170 15th-160 16th-150 17th-140 18th-130 19th-120 20th-110 21st-100 22nd-90 23rd-80 24th-70 25th-60 26th-50 27th-40 28th-30 29th-20 30th-10

@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 11 ай бұрын

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@runrafarunthebestintheworld 11 ай бұрын

Yep that's a good one.

@geoking7312 11 ай бұрын

Well it would be Penske since they start the season with super slow cars and then once at least one of them made it to the Playoffs it’s equipped with Rockets.

@noahg2527 11 ай бұрын

A playoff format that could be used, 12 man field, 9 races, 3 rounds including a championship round, 4 drivers elim'd after the first 2 rounds, wins WOULD NOT put you in, only points, maybe bring back the laps led bonus points on top of the stage points and playoff points. This has been floated around by others before and i think its a really good way and better than what we have currently.

@joshuapittman4663 11 ай бұрын

Not as good as something like the og chase or latford system. But better than what we have now

@antardas6734 11 ай бұрын

37k likes within a minute of uploading 😂

@Bradshaw_Staudt 11 ай бұрын

Winston Cup format is the way to go. If we really have to keep the playoffs I’d like to see a format that’s a cross between the current format and the chase; 10 races, 9 drivers make it based entirely on points. 5 bonus points per win. The points reset with the first race being a “wild card” race between the 10th-12th positions to see who makes it. For those wild card drivers, points remain the same from the first 26 races. If such a driver wins, or has the most cumulative points at that point then they enter the playoffs at a 5 point deficit from the 9th place driver. Every race the last driver in points gets eliminated, with the “wild card race” as a grace period to prevent one bad race from eliminating a driver. After the 2nd race there will be 9 drivers left and so on until the finale between the last 2 in points. Only at the finale do the final 2 have their points reset. Under this format, it reduces the over saturation of having too many drivers who can compete or win the title. It also gives drivers a sense of urgency - you have to run up front - with the first race being a buffer to prevent a team from immediate elimination given a parts failure or freak accident.

@CJODell12 11 ай бұрын

TLDR: Byron would have won under most formats.

@GrunkyMcSaucy 11 ай бұрын

...But who would have won in OG Super Mario Kart (SNES) points?

@kensimpson8133 11 ай бұрын

Proof the chase format does little to nothing for NASCAR. The old school Winston format is the best point system.

@NathanJakobMichaelThomas 11 ай бұрын

I made a NASCAR reverse playoff system, where Daytona was the championship race instead of the first and the playoffs looked like: Champion: Truex Jr with an astounding FIFTEENTH at Daytona Final 4 Truex, Byron, Larson, Busch Round of 8 Exits: Hamlin, Chastain, Bell, Reddick Round of 12 Exits: Blaney, Keselowski, Buescher, Bubba Round of 16 Exits: McDowell, Elliott, Logano, Allmendinger Edit: I did take some liberties with this, so if you were to calculate it this will more than likely have differences.

@jc1424 11 ай бұрын

My favorite format would have be the current one... with non-playoff standings.

@robertdoherty4539 11 ай бұрын

would love to see how it would have panned out with other series' formats like indycar, f1 and so on

@adgibson82 11 ай бұрын

I’m old fashioned. I would love to see the Winston Cup points format come back. Granted I’ve warmed up current system, but 2023 would’ve been an exciting year to have the WC format. Plus, the WC favors consistency the most of all systems (my opinion) and I think that’s who the championship should go to at the end of the day.

@seannolan9857 11 ай бұрын

One correction: Under the 1972 system, Byron is not the champion. I did the math, and Byron would score 8811.75 points, while Chris Buescher would score 8876.75. Michigan would have been the biggest game-changer: Byron's early DNF gave him only 78 points, while Buescher won and got 300. The extra 25 points per win in '73 would be enough to give Byron the title by 10 points though. That makes this the second time in the last three years that the '72 and '73 systems resulted in different champions.

@Clashwithcodeman 11 ай бұрын

I think they should do Winston style but have stage points to reward drivers who’s in front for most of the race

@PaperBanjo64 11 ай бұрын

Keeping stage points and shortening the season to 28 races would be the only way I'd accept going back to full season points...there was just so many flaws about pre 2014 playoffs points systems especially pre 2011 that would eliminate, stage points would encourage drivers to actually race hard the entire race instead of riding around until the last 100 miles, it would eliminate the old practice of giving up the lead to a teammate or buddy to get 5 bonus points then taking back the lead, which only artificially made a race seem more competitive, I'd still want bonus points to the driver leading the most laps...I'd be in favor of using the Latford points system as the basis but using F1 points for the stages, 25 for 1st, 18 for 2nd, 15 for 3rd, down to a single point for 10th, plus 10 points for leading the most laps, meaning the winner could get 235 points for winning, and 2nd get 206, a massive 29 point deficit, eliminating the complaints that the Latford system didn't reward winning enough.

@hypgar8678 11 ай бұрын

Here's the F1 format. I didn't get to the fastest lap point though. 1. William Byron 307 2. Kyle Larson 268 3. Denny Hamlin 266 4. Martin Truex Jr 212 5. Christopher Bell 210 6. Kyle Busch 209 7. Ryan Blaney 204 8. Tyler Reddick 198 9. Joey Logano 185 10. Chris Buescher 179 11. Ross Chastain 168 12. Brad Keselowski 139 13. Chase Elliott 134 14. Kevin Harvick 98 15. Bubba Wallace 82 16. AJ Allmendinger 79 T17. Alex Bowman 73 T17. Daniel Suarez 73 19. Michael McDowell 69 20. Ricky Stenhouse Jr 63 21. Chase Briscoe 60 22. Ty Gibbs 57 23. Aric Almirola 47 24. Justin Haley 46 25. Austin Cindric 36 26. Erik Jones 35 T27. Austin Dillon 25 T27. Corey LaJoie 25 29. Ryan Preece 14 30. Harrison Burton 12 31. Todd Gilliland 7 32. Ty Dillon 0

@klrw1031 11 ай бұрын

SVG won a race and placed 10th in another... that's 26pts. Though it's good to see that Hendrick would've won yet another title!

@hypgar8678 11 ай бұрын

@@klrw1031 Didn't count SVG, only counted full-timers, might end up doing part-timers next year. But yeah SVG had a great run!

@klrw1031 11 ай бұрын

@@hypgar8678 Are you telling me then that SVG scored more in 2 races than Austin Dillon did in 36? Good thing he knows his owner!

@idkIamBORED 11 ай бұрын

Could u go back and do the " what if Nascar had the original chase" I believe you had meant to do 2020 but forgot. I believe the champs would be Chase 2020 Kyle 2021 Ross 2022 Byron 2023

@seannolan9857 11 ай бұрын

2020 is a bizarre one with different chase systems. Logano wins under the 2004 version, Chase wins under the 2007 system, and Harvick(!) wins under the 2011 system. Only time in the last 52 years that each format gave us a different champion.

@idkIamBORED 11 ай бұрын

@@seannolan9857 did not know that. That's actually super cool and interesting. To me it shows how competitive the field is even though harvick and Hamlin won every week that uear

@67JLBlues19 11 ай бұрын

All they had to do after 2003 season was to keep the full season points but change the points structure so the championship leader wouldn't run away with the title so quickly. Instead NASCAR overreacted after Kenseth's championship and completely ruined the whole thing and then made things even worse with elimination playoffs. They'll probably do something stupid again like expanding the playoffs or something. Common sense will not prevail I am afraid.

@cito1101 11 ай бұрын

Shades of "what if NASCAR had the playoffs in (Insert year)". Or is it??

@JayDee185 11 ай бұрын

F1 Points Standings *(no fastest lap points or points penalties included):* W. Byron 295 D. Hamlin 262 K. Larson 253 C. Bell 210 K. Busch 209 M. Truex, Jr. 204 T. Reddick 198 R. Blaney 186 J. Logano 185 C. Buescher 169 R. Chastain 143 B. Keselowski 139 C. Elliott 134 K. Harvick 92 B. Wallace 81 A. Allmendinger 79 D. Suarez 73 A. Bowman 73 M. McDowell 67 R. Stenhouse, Jr. 63 C. Briscoe 60 T. Gibbs 57 A. Almirola 47 J. Haley 46 A. Cindric 36 E. Jones 35 S. Van Gisbergen 26 C. LaJoie 25 A. Dillon 25 J. Berry 20 R. Preece 14 H. Burton 12 T. Gilliland 7 J. Yeley 6 R. Herbst 3 Z. Smith 1

@nascarsteve 11 ай бұрын

Still a fan of the Winston Cup format best. It's a season-long champion.

@mosesmalone4819 11 ай бұрын

I’ll get to work on a Mariokart 64 format for next year. Only top 4 get points

@speed4brainz 11 ай бұрын

The wild card format needs to come back I miss it

@forcesmuggler7667 11 ай бұрын

Full season system or Top 10 in points with 2 WC spots for winners in the Top 20 after 26 races race for 10 races. Or maybe Whoever wins in the first 9 Chase races, plus the points Leader if they don't win then, fight for the Championship

@GachaRacing18 11 ай бұрын

My points format is kinda weird You take the field for each race and split the field in half. Top half gets positive points, bottom half gets negative points. To make the math simple we'll say theres 40 cars. 1 would get 20 points 2 would get 19 Etc. 20 would get 1 point 21 would get -1 point 22 would get -2 points Etc. 40th would get -20 points To add to this, stages are a thing, but they're normal (1st gets 10 points etc, however there are bo playoff points) and the driver who leads the most laps gets one point. If there's a tie give em both a point I guess

@johngronkowski5132 11 ай бұрын

The close championship battles from 1998-present: 2004, 2010, 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019

@katcyclone42 11 ай бұрын

Under the Monster Jam points format (1 point per position, 0 points for a DNF), Chris Buescher is the champion by 35 points over William Byron

@MotorSportsLegend93 11 ай бұрын

I'll have to say Winston format, and 10-man Chase from 2004 were the best points system.

@TransbianKitty 11 ай бұрын

The 2004 chase will always be my favorite. 10 drivers, 10 races. If you absolutely need to force some kind of postseason "drama" do it this way...

@hengineer 11 ай бұрын

NASCARs fatal flaw in every system was not rewarding wins enough. Wins had all this prestige given to it by EVERYONE except in points for the championship. All they had to do was reward wins way more, and honestly no one would really complain. Sure, reward consistency and all that too, but if you win a crap ton of races more than anyone else that should count for something. E.g. even in 2020, if wins had 10 bonus points instead of 5, Harvick wouldve been in the final 4 at the very least.

@willgriffin5647 11 ай бұрын

I'd love to see someone do this for the F1 and IndyCar points

@SCJ.racing.25 11 ай бұрын

@TheIceberg I am planning on testing a new season long format for the ‘24 season. These are the features: 1. Points for finishing positions are incremental by 1 with 1 pt for 40th all the way to 40 pts for 1st 2. The winner gets +5 pts for winning (basically meaning whoever finishes first in each race gets 45 pts instead of 40) 3. Top 10 running after each 10% of the race get bonus points with +3 for the leader, +2 for 2nd-5th, and +1 for 6th-10th. All races will be run without stage cautions. (Of course no stage caution won’t be a reality in ‘24) 4. +5 pts for most laps led in a race 5. +1 pt for every 10 laps led throughout the whole season (if a driver leads 16 laps in “race A”, he gets 1 pt added to his total for that week and if he leads 27 laps in “race B”, he earns +3 pts because the 6 laps that don’t count from “race A” get carried over to “race B” and so on so forth) 6. +1 pt for fastest lap 7. +1 pt for pole position 8. -50 pts for L1 penalty, -100 for L2, & -150 for L3 Also debating about adding +1 pt for fastest pit stop, +5 pts for best average race position, and incremental points from 1-10 for the 10 best driver ratings in a race. The one downside of this format in my opinion is that it’s very complex with a lot of different factors involved. Not to mention that manually looking at where every driver finished after every 10% of the race is going to be torture. Also, I’ll run comparable formats like a traditional points format for finishing position only, standings based on average running position, and using the driver ratings for each race as their points. All of y’all are welcome to suggest improvements; I am open to criticism. Also, Iceberg, a good idea for your next video could be how you would format the Nascar points system.

@bob8776 11 ай бұрын

Good luck to any fans trying to figure out the points battles during the race if anything like this was ever implemented. The whole reason why they simplified the points structure was to make it easier for fans to follow along. I’m not going back to college for a second engineering degree just to calculate how many positions a driver needs to gain to improve their points position

@SCJ.racing.25 11 ай бұрын

@@bob8776 I see your point. As a number lover, I love following along with points battles and calculating what needs to happen for certain situations, and I do agree that trying to calculate accurate points during the race is going to be brain frying. However, the reason that it’s so complex is because I’m trying to highlight all the aspects in racing that are vital contributing factors and by giving those factors value, it will possibly give more accuracy as to which driver & team is the best. Also, the reason why I’m running comparative formats is to test how well my points system works for both performance accuracy & points battle drama. If it works, then I’ll continue using it, if not then back to the drawing board; that’s the beauty of testing.

@bob8776 11 ай бұрын

I totally understand trying to quantify an entire season’s worth of efforts and I applaud your dedication to factoring in just about every aspect. But it’s still too complex in my opinion, especially the bonuses for a running tally of laps led in ten-lap intervals. Good luck and I hope your brain doesn’t explode calculating points positions next season 😂😂😂😂

@SCJ.racing.25 11 ай бұрын

@@bob8776 Thnx man. I hope I survive it too, especially with classes. 😂

@mathieuleboeuf7509 11 ай бұрын

Here it is with the F1 Point system: 1: Byron 307 2: Larson 268 3: Hamlin 267 4: Truex 212 5: Busch 209 6: Bell 208 7: Blaney 204 8: Reddick 198 9: Logano 185 10: Buescher 179 11: Chastain 168 12: Keslowski 139 13: Elliott 134 14: Harvick 98 15: Wallace 82 16: Allmendinger 79 17: Suarez 73 18: Bowman 73 19: McDowell 69 20: Stenhouse 63 21: Briscoe 60 22: Gibbs 57 23: Almirola 47 24: Haley 46 25: Cindric 36 26: Jones 35 27: Dillon 25 28: LaJoie 25 29: Preece 14 30: Burton 12 31: Gilliand 7 All other drivers are on 0

@dustykh 11 ай бұрын

Would love to know who won the championship in each year in each system

@ryder_williams 11 ай бұрын

In an F1 points format with the playoffs, Kyle Larson would win the championship: POINTS - STAGES: 1. +5 points, 1 playoff point 2. +4 points 3. +3 points 4. +2 points 5. +1 points RACE: 1. +25 points, 3 playoff points 2. +18 points 3. +15 points 4. +12 points 5. +10 points 6. +8 points 7. +6 points 8. +4 points 9. +2 points 10. +1 points POLE POSITION: +2 points CHASE DRIVERS: 1. William Byron 2. Martin Truex Jr. 3. Denny Hamlin 4. Kyle Larson 5. Kyle Busch 6. Joey Logano 7. Tyler Reddick 8. Christopher Bell 9. Ross Chastain 10. Ryan Blaney 11. Chris Buescher 12. Brad Keselowski 13. Chase Elliott 14. Kevin Harvick 15. Alex Bowman 16. Daniel Suarez ELIMINATED IN ROUND OF 16: Ryan Blaney Kevin Harvick Alex Bowman Daniel Suarez ELIMINATED IN ROUND OF 12: Chris Buescher Joey Logano Brad Keselowski Chase Elliott ELIMINATED IN ROUND OF 8: Tyler Reddick Martin Truex Jr. Kyle Busch Ross Chastain FINAL 4: 1. Kyle Larson 2. William Byron 3. Denny Hamlin 4. Christopher Bell

@ryder_williams 11 ай бұрын

XFINITY SERIES: DRIVERS: 1. John Hunter Nemechek 2. Austin Hill 3. Justin Allgiaer 4. Cole Custer 5. Sam Mayer 6. Josh Berry 7. Sheldon Creed 8. Chandler Smith 9. Riley Herbst 10. AJ Allmendinger (i) 11. Ty Gibbs (i) 12. Parker Kligerman 13. Daniel Hemric 14. Sammy Smith ELIMINATED IN THE ROUND OF 12: Sammy Smith Josh Berry Riley Herbst Sheldon Creed ELIMINATED IN THE ROUND OF 8: Austin Hill Chandler Smith Daniel Hemric Parker Kligerman FINAL 4: 1. Cole Custer 2. Justin Allgaier 3. Sam Mayer 4. John Hunter Nemechek

@ryder_williams 11 ай бұрын

TRUCK SERIES: DRIVERS: 1. Corey Heim 2. Zane Smith 3. Ty Majeski 4. Christian Eckes 5. Carson Hocevar 6. Ben Rhodes 7. Grant Enfinger 8. Kyle Busch (i) 9. Nick Sanchez 10. Stewart Friesen 11. Matt Dibenedetto ELIMINATED IN ROUND OF 10: Ben Rhodes Stewart Friesen ELIMINATED IN ROUND OF 8: Nick Sanchez Zane Smith Ty Majeski Matt DiBenedetto FINAL 4: 1. Christian Eckes 2. Grant Enfinger 3. Corey Heim 4. Carson Hocevar

@ryder_williams 11 ай бұрын

SOME OTHER FACTS: THIS FORMAT INTRODUCES STAGE POINTS IN 2021. In 2021 under this format, Ross Chastain not only makes the playoffs, but goes as far as the Round of 12. Under this format in 2019, Martin Truex Jr. wins the championship Aric Almirola would miss the championship 4 by ONE point in 2018. The 2005 F1-Chase format sees Tony Stewart take the Cup by 1 POINT over Greg Biffle, and only 6 points over Jimmie Johnson

@Coopa 11 ай бұрын

Love how we've had two good winston style points finishes ruined by nascar's need for a fake playoff system

@markc3456 11 ай бұрын

Should do the same with 2003 for a counter example.

@M_Sebastian97 11 ай бұрын

Bring back season long points system...

@NASCARFAN93100 11 ай бұрын

While the Championship went to Erin Blaney's Brother under This Format, It would go to her Boyfriend under the Winston Cup Format

@Tylnorton 11 ай бұрын

The takeaways here, Blaney's title was very meaningless as it came down to 1 race and a season long format would have been much, MUCH better.

@Metal_junk 11 ай бұрын

What about golf points format?

@kyleotto5446 11 ай бұрын

They need to bring back the Winston cup points system

@ninjamushroom8367 11 ай бұрын

The Byron fan cope has been lovely to watch this offseason

@racefan7296 11 ай бұрын

F1 Point sytem (1 extra point for most laps lead) Byron 310 Larson 271 Hamlin 266 Truex Jr. 215 Bell 212 Busch 210 Blaney 209 Logano 186 Reddick 181 Buescher 179 Chastain 171 Kesselowski 140 Elliott 134 Harvick 98 Wallace 83 Allmendinger 80 Suarez 73 Bowman 73 McDowell 70 Stenhouse 63 Briscoe 60 Gibbs 57 Almirola 45 Haley 44 Cindric 36 Jones 35 van Gisbergen 26 Lajoie 25 A. Dillon 25 Berry 20 Preece 14 Burton 12 Gilliland 7 Yeley 6 Herbst 3 Z. Smith 1

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

Winston- best way to keep track of points, but all it takes is a Matt Kenseth-like season to throw it all away for... The Chase- NASCAR's version of playoffs. Not the best way to do it, but at least the top 13 drivers earned their way in, yet that was also overhauled for... A dumb gimmick

@MetsyFlannelkit 11 ай бұрын

NASCAR should used a F1 point system or indycar format.

@michaelatkinson6730 11 ай бұрын

We all know Byron had the best year. But.....

@wade_says Ай бұрын

Bell made it to the C4 twice and both times was screwed by bad luck for the final race. Thats the whole problem I have with this system. 1 race shouldn’t determine a collective season of hard work. That’s why the Winston system was best. Even the 10 race chase was better because it’s a large sample size. Blaney and Logano have titles they really didn’t deserve. They performed a little better than 3 other guys in 1 afternoon. Okay? That’s what makes a champion? It’s a joke, really.

@shooterkoontz7436 11 ай бұрын

It simply doesn’t matter regardless. They race for the playoffs changes how they race

@WALTRIPFLAIR 11 ай бұрын

All other points formats are a moot point as to deciding the champion as all of them raced according to one system so that is the only one that counts.

@JJj-sb5pz 11 ай бұрын

I'll f**k with Mario kart points.😊

@UncleT4life 11 ай бұрын

my favorite is f1 style points, under that format Byron also wins

@jeffy4368 11 ай бұрын

How bout the INDY or F1 points format

@scottdavis9135 11 ай бұрын

I think nascar needs to go back to the old points system or go back to the chase grid system

@gen-zeke-8571 11 ай бұрын

Wait until Deegan. Domination!!

@dang5553 11 ай бұрын

I like the 75-03 system

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

If only Matt Kenseth didn't win it in 03...

@dang5553 11 ай бұрын

What does that have to do with it. Elliott had won the most races in 2 of his battles came in second. 6.0-6.6 avg finish wins championships

@CJODell12 11 ай бұрын

@@S.K.R.E.Inc.we get it, you hate Matt Kenseth’s guts.

@Joshadamwyo 11 ай бұрын

I’m not a fan of this kind speculation and conclusion drawing. Way too many variables that just can’t be accounted for. You said in the beginning, Blaney is the champ this season because he beat all other drivers in the format every team knew of going into the season. If you go back to the point ms system from 30 years ago it just flat doesn’t make sense since points were awarded differently so the drivers and teams had to strategize differently.

@alexlambert5830 11 ай бұрын

Did anyone math out the championship with the Indycar points?

@steviegiamalis9251 11 ай бұрын

Ngl this one hurts as a Byron fan. Pretty much would’ve won every format except for the one that mattered..

@richardcleary9107 11 ай бұрын

Winston Cup points but stage racing does keep it exciting

@klrw1031 11 ай бұрын

I like your idea and may redo 2023 with this experiment. Many WC races had snooze fests until the last 100 miles... this system would keep those drivers awake! 😂

@Lewis.Linnchannel 11 ай бұрын

As a Byron fan, this is giving me pain.

@astrodempsey760 11 ай бұрын

24 in 24

@mlwilliam213 11 ай бұрын

All I’m hearing is that William Byron had the best year and would be the champion in a vast majority of different formats. Yet, Ryan Blaney is the champion despite not being in the top five of the vast majority of formats. Blaney is one of my favorite drivers, but this whole season feels illegitimate. Byron clearly should have won+Blaney is the champion=we have no legitimate champion. Only NASCAR could screw this up so bad. Big Bill France is what we need. Not O’Donnell or Phelps, or any of these other people who just don’t love racing.

@megaflare24 11 ай бұрын

This been NASCAR since 2004. Lot of drivers got robbed of championships because of it

@klrw1031 11 ай бұрын

@@megaflare24...or prospered but not earned (JJ48)...

@lemonjuicegaming6551 11 ай бұрын

Once again, it shows how flawed the current playoff system is. I know drivers would have raced differently. But this system isn't the best way to crown a champion.

@Tylnorton 11 ай бұрын

It's the worst way to crown a champion. No one asked for this elimination style format. It's not even a playoff because because 36 drivers are still racing on a weekly basis

@lemonjuicegaming6551 11 ай бұрын

@@Tylnorton Exactly. I hate how the playoff loyalists compare NASCAR to stick and ball sports, but won't compare to other motorsports. Hmmmmmm, I wonder why!

@Tylnorton 11 ай бұрын

@@lemonjuicegaming6551 Right? It's 1 driver vs 35+ other drivers on a weekly basis. And when the fake playoffs happens, there's still 36 plus drivers racing. And it really has not brought any excitement. It's all negative.

@lemonjuicegaming6551 11 ай бұрын

@@Tylnorton People seem to forget that you can win a race by sheer accident. You might get lucky once or twice, but you are not going to get lucky 36 times a year. There is just way too many things that can go wrong in motorsports.

@Maverick33 11 ай бұрын

Just make race wins the determining factor. Especially now with at least 10 guys in contention for wins every race. It'd make winning the most important and you could do traditional full season. Buuuuuuuuuuut, if 3 guys are tied with 4 wins each going into the last race, the highest finisher of the 3, wins the championship. You'd get rid of the playoffs like most seem to want and you get an even simpler way to crown a champion

@vandrugmand 11 ай бұрын

And yet the overall best driver doesn't win the championship.

@S.K.R.E.Inc. 11 ай бұрын

And it's all Matt Kenseth's fault for that. A mid driver took the championship away from the best driver 20 years ago. The same has reapeated this year. Hopefully that's it for playoffs

@vandrugmand 11 ай бұрын

@@S.K.R.E.Inc. No no Ryan Newman yeah he had 8 wins but he had 8 dnfs that wouldn’t hold up in any format

@seannolan9857 11 ай бұрын

@@vandrugmand Newman wins under F1 points and the system NASCAR used in 1949. Personally I don't think either Kenseth or Newman were actually the best that year. Kenseth had more 6th-10th place finishes than top fives, and the lowest lead lap percentage of any champion in history (yes, even lower than Rexford's!). While Newman was massively inconsistent with more 30th or worse finishes than wins, and only two of his wins came from a natural on-track lead change. It's a pity driver rating didn't exist yet.

@vandrugmand 11 ай бұрын

@@seannolan9857 ehh it was one of those years like Benny parsons or terry labonte in 84