Whoa Boy, You are Massive - The New EBMX 72v 57ah Battery making big waves.

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[@Doctorbasss]

Pouchs have advanges for the way the current collector inside can tap to the anode and cathode compare to typical cylindrical cells. They can be multiple tab in parallel and have the best current path from now, the only bad side is that you need a great mecanical structure to resist the pouch deformation, that cylindrical cells dont have to deal with. The best of both world mecanically and electrically would be a blend of NCA into 4680 tabless technology. This way each cells are self contained mecanically and wont try to inflate during discharge as they are into a cylidrical shape, and the tabless would drasticly reduce the internal resistance that typical NCA have and get very close power density as LIPO or NMC pouch.

[@keithfoidel2333]

Do you have to run the seat extenders with this new battery?

[@joshlaflamme567]

With KO motos new sur Ron motor and controller supporting up to 100v, will you be creating one?

[@yan1942]

I have an Ebmx battery and it’s is great the extra range and power, but I do feel a lost of agility on my ride because of the extra weight of the battery. For short rides I always take my old bypassed surron battery because the few kg less makes a big difference for me in my riding.

[@mountaingoat8788]

so maybe stick to 42ah.? im one the Fence lol I Really would like the 57ah for insain Range But I too Like light and Nimble for the trails..

[@HighEndRide]

Genius !

[@bikeninja956]

Very cool. What do you recommend to pair with this as controller/dash setup?

[@xboxice2005]

Can you imagine a EBMX Sur ron storm battery with pouch cells.

[@michaelburke1023]

I love this! One suggestion, could you install a Bluetooth BMS that way we can view the SOC and battery temp on our devices? This should be at very little to no cost/size and would be so nice to have? Can't wait to pick this bad boy up

[@EBMXtreme]

there is a bluetooth BMS app already ANTBMS

[@michaelburke1023]

@@EBMXtreme ohh cool I didn’t catch that, thanks!

[@RoyTheKing241]

On ya legends!!!!!!!

[@OregonMotorcycle]

When does the Talaria battery come out?

[@SurFrankenRon]

I'm getting one as soon as I get paiiiid

[@BrunoPOWEEER]

Cylindrical cells vs large pouch cells dilema… The smaller 21700 and 18650 just can’t physically deliver and continuously maintain the same power output and input as large pouch cells. If you push them as hard as the pouch, they would generate a LOT more heat (energy loss) due to their poor internal construction design. When talking about “Tesla Plaid cells” we are talking about their 4680 cells that are an order of magnitude superior in every single aspect (power density, internal resistance, thermals, etc) compared to 21700 and 18650 cells that everyone uses out there. Here is an amazing video done by my mate Dave EEVBLOG kzbin.info/www/bejne/npOzfHhsZ8aAZrc where he cleverly summarises everything from a proper electronics engineer perspective and compares the super amazing new and patented 4680 Tesla cells vs a regular large pouch cell. Basically Tesla spent probably a few billions $$ just to get the cylindrical cell internal resistance to “match up” the large pouch cells. They already had billions of dollars on machinery to make cylindrical cells + the cylindrical cells are well suited for their slim “skateboard battery design”. Also, let’s be honest, it’s pretty horrible, painful and costly process joining hundreds of little cells when you can just have 20 cells for a 72v battery (a lot less things to fail). I’ve watched quite a few videos and listened to many podcasts where Elon Musk himself mentions the downsides of using lots of little cells and the countless advantages of going for larger fewer cells. Don’t get me wrong, 18650 and 21700 cylindrical cells still pack big power just not the same as pouch cells. We never see high power RC cars running on cylindrical cells for a reason. If I have the two options I would go for larger pouch cells. This discussion can go on and on forever but yeah… =]

[@eastwood111]

Thanks for posting this information! Can you guide me in the direction of what type of pouch cell’sI should buy for a 72 V battery build. I’m looking for amp hour similar to this one as much as I can squeeze into my frame. Also considered going a little bit higher in the voltage than 72 V nominal but whatever I can fit. Thank you! Oh I don’t have a sur run Have a Enduro frame clone build. Yep heavy hub motor but love it. Qs205 6T 16” rim

[@OregonMotorcycle]

113% more power. How much more volatile is it?

[@jimlahey5354]

Does the storm be battery have any cooling input output ports? The one thing I'm very curious about: how hot do the cells in the e BMX battery get? Elevated temperatures is the number one mechanism for battery degradation!

[@BrunoPOWEEER]

Hey Jim, neither the Surron Storm Bee or Light Bee have any cooling ports, these are just cells packed inside an extruded aluminium case and not potted so the heat stays a bit trapped inside like a thermal bottle effect. It will eventually dissipate heat but there’s a “thermal delay” due to the air gap between the cells and the case. The EBMX battery the cells are fully potted and premium pouch cells we use with large tabs on top and bottom offer less electrical resistance and act as a large heatsink extracting heat from inside the cells. because it’s fully potted the heat can be transferred to the metal case. Just so you have an idea in terms of heat, people are running these batteries at 200A peak and the cells we are using can handle 300A continuous (more than the BMS can handle continuously) we have 2500 EBMX batteries sold, the only company offering 2 years warranty on the batteries.

[@jimlahey5354]

@@BrunoPOWEEER Thanks for the detailed explanation Mr Bruno!

[@xboxice2005]

i rode my friends 72v 57ah and wow i thought my 60v stock bypass was powerful lol lol

[@mgirard123]

if i have a surron X light bee and i plug it in would it run 72v or do i need the controler to, thanks

[@EBMXtreme]

you cant run a 72v battery off OEM controller. Yes you need an upgraded controller too.

[@mgirard123]

@@EBMXtreme thx :)

[@ChocSloth]

Does the seat extender raise the seat height if so how much?

[@EBMXtreme]

Sure does. About 1.5 inches

[@yermommy777]

What brand of pouch cells? They look like EIG but I could be wrong.

[@Charles-Darwin]

I was gonna say that too. It's their bread and butter tho, so I doubt they'll say pouch spec and manufacturer - it would expose supply source when it's very limited and they prob want exclusivity

[@EBMXtreme]

SKI is cell supplier. Very proud of these guys.

[@ukaszcezary8870]

Hello EBMX :) Will you make 72v 42ah SurRon Battery, also with these Pouch Cells? I tried to found info about it on your website, but I didn't find... :(

[@EBMXtreme]

We already do mate. Www.ebmx.com.au

[@MrLoicn38]

Wow definitely want one, when do you think your European dealer will be able to ship one for France ?! 🇫🇷

[@EBMXtreme]

They are just ordering now - so contact the EU distributor for a direct pre order.

[@MrLoicn38]

@@EBMXtreme I already did Last week, they told me that it will probably be for July with EU certifications 😔 Have to wait a lot...

[@EBMXtreme]

@@MrLoicn38 may be a little quicker now we urge them... if you want to pay the air freight we can send to your direct if so please PM us

[@jone7204]

@@EBMXtreme I’m in the us Indiana how do I find out air freight price? What company is used?

[@EBMXtreme]

@@jone7204 EBMX sell in the USA through Shock Bikes USA details on our website buy there. these batteries are warehoused in the USA shock bikes.

[@keithfoidel2333]

Do you have to run seat extenders with this new battery

[@EBMXtreme]

yes you need seat extenders

[@marcelreichert4861]

what controller do you suggest to use with the 72V 57ah battery? Thanks EBMX!!

[@EBMXtreme]

EBMX BAC8000 Tune

[@looking_33]

@@EBMXtremewow really? not the x-9000?

[@StonkKing42069]

​@@looking_33because this was a year ago before the x9000 became elite 😎🤙🏽...I have the x9000 on a Talaria Sting R MX4 and it's a beast, stock battery but have a 72v57ah on the way, hence why I'm watching this video 😂👌🏽

[@looking_33]

@@StonkKing42069 thinking about one to go with an x9000. the price gap between the 42ah and 57ah is crazy though!

[@StonkKing42069]

@@looking_33 there's also a 1000wh difference between the 72v42ah and 72v57ah which is 25% more watt hour between the 2, the stock battery is 2700wh and the 72v57ah is 4100wh which is 50% more overall watt hour and capable of producing 150% more power, so though an $800 difference it's definitely worth it, if your going 72v might as well go big 😎🤙🏽

[@wrightwells]

Are you going to make a Storm battery with pouch cells?

[@EBMXtreme]

There is no market for that yet in the right numbers. We are focusing on other projects. Maybe down the track a bit 🤔

[@bj97301]

How do you get the storm battery in?

[@nxdboi]

From the top, BMS up.

[@BrunoPOWEEER]

Storm battery sits horizontally on the bike and got some metal spring clips to lock in place. Its massive feels like 50% heavier compared to the EBMX battery!!

[@nikjames9033]

Hi can u tell me a ebmx uk dealer so I can enquire about the new 72v battery plz 💪👍

[@EBMXtreme]

Urban moto exclusive they have an order in. Hit ‘em up to secure one ☝️

[@nikjames9033]

@@EBMXtreme ok cheers guna look it to one now 👍👊

[@eastwood111]

What are the dimensions of this new battery? I’m wondering if this would fit in my DIY Enduro frame. 57AH sounds real nice!!

[@shawncourville487]

Shaking is good for testing but not a two hour ride , with angular motion jump s with hard impact , still researching , like the info

[@EBMXtreme]

We do plenty of riding and testing on bikes as well. This machine can produce more violent motion than riders are able to do on a bike with suspension on it so its a great test for the products and one of the ways we ensure the potting is doing its job.

[@kobybechor]

Is this ready to order for the Talaria yet or only pre order?

[@EBMXtreme]

Ready. Has been for a while mate.

[@kobybechor]

@@EBMXtreme Can I order from your Aus site and have it shipped to CA?

[@EBMXtreme]

@@kobybechor no you need to order form Shock bikes in the USA. they are US exclusive distributor

[@kobybechor]

@@EBMXtreme on there website it says preorder for a estimated date of November 10th 22. That’s why I asked if they were available through your site.

[@EBMXtreme]

@@kobybechor you must buy from Shock in the USA mate.. we cant get you batteries faster than shock can. we don't send dangerous goods to USA from Australia and all battery orders come from Factory. Shocks batteries are on the way to them by ocean voyage.. hope you get one as they are popular.. consider that pre order .

[@leandromachado2854]

Can you personalised battery for another motorcycle?

[@EBMXtreme]

PM us and provide details and we may be able to

[@leandromachado2854]

@@EBMXtreme thank you for the answer.

[@nikjames9033]

Hi ebmx can u make the drill one faster by any chance 👍

[@EBMXtreme]

Yes we have

[@nikjames9033]

@@EBMXtreme ok yeyh av just bought one is it bigger battery or jus the tuning side of it cheers for fast reply 👍

[@nikjames9033]

@@EBMXtreme how did you achieve more power 👍💪

[@EBMXtreme]

@@nikjames9033 tuning

[@nikjames9033]

@@EBMXtreme hi what’s the next step for this to be done 👍

[@martinsinclair8849]

And what is it worth and can I get one in Canada

[@EBMXtreme]

pricing on EBMX website and yes if you look at the dealer page you can see the details for the EBMX Canadian distributors

[@MotoAlias]

Your not worried about pouch cells swelling from abuse?

[@misc.2682]

I am

[@looking_33]

should have made the bms remote mounted elsewhere on the bike

[@electricisbetter]

EBMX Make custom Talaria Sting pack for me? 😉

[@EBMXtreme]

Yes working on that

[@blueboywill]

@@EBMXtreme what about packs for the Kollter ES1 pro? I'd buy two.

[@EBMXtreme]

@@blueboywill not on our horizon currently mate

[@blueboywill]

@@EBMXtreme Such a shame!! That bike is such a currently unutilised platform.

[@millions7889]

@@EBMXtreme Will the 72v 57AH battery I just ordered for my Talaria will I need to mod my bike for it to fit with seat extender?

[@Glen799]

i damaged my bmx battery cover need a new cover to go over my battery

[@EBMXtreme]

Email us with pictures so we are clear. Or go back to your ebmx dealer mate

[@Glen799]

@@EBMXtreme still works fine just the plastic coming off around the the box

[@Doctorbasss]

"Small cylindrical cells not able to deliver the power" Ya right!.. that's why the Tesla Plaid use 9000 of them right?.. I mean.. the world most powerfull and not hypercar?

[@eastwood111]

Nice to see your comment on here! If it’s approved by Doctorbass I believe it 😂

[@nxdboi]

@@eastwood111 It's not that they can't deliver the power, they just cant deliver the power in the same space. Pouch cells lay flat against each other, while traditional cells, in the most space efficient way, can only lay in a honeycomb pattern, with wasted space in between. The power draw potential is also much higher on pouch cells, I believe.

[@BrunoPOWEEER]

Doctorbass my mate!!! Nice to see you here =] Cylindrical cells vs large pouch cells dilema… The smaller 21700 and 18650 just can’t physically deliver and continuously maintain the same power output and input as large pouch cells. If you push them as hard as the pouch, they would generate a LOT more heat (energy loss) due to their poor internal construction design. When talking about “Tesla Plaid cells” we are talking about their 4670 cells that are an order of magnitude superior in every single aspect (power density, internal resistance, thermals, etc) compared to 21700 and 18650 cells that everyone uses out there. Here is an amazing video done by my mate Dave EEVBLOG kzbin.info/www/bejne/npOzfHhsZ8aAZrc where he cleverly summarises everything from a proper electronics engineer perspective and compares the super amazing new and patented 4670 Tesla cells vs a regular large pouch cell. Basically Tesla spent probably a few billions $$ just to get the cylindrical cell internal resistance to “match up” the large pouch cells. They already had billions of dollars on machinery to make cylindrical cells + the cylindrical cells are well suited for their slim “skateboard battery design”. Also, let’s be honest, it’s pretty horrible, painful and costly process joining hundreds of little cells when you can just have 20 cells for a 72v battery (a lot less things to fail). I’ve watched quite a few videos and listened to many podcasts where Elon Musk himself mentions the downsides of using lots of little cells and the countless advantages of going for larger fewer cells. Don’t get me wrong, 18650 and 21700 cylindrical cells still pack big power just not the same as pouch cells. We never see high power RC cars running on cylindrical cells for a reason. If I have the two options I would go for larger pouch cells. This discussion can go on and on forever but yeah… =]

[@eastwood111]

@UCHWslkS4HIGPyfYHQ5ag89w Thanks for your input Bruno! What pouch cells do you recommend for a battery build? I’m looking to make a 72 V battery similar to this one in the video something around 57 amp hour sounds real nice!

[@Doctorbasss]

@@BrunoPOWEEER Bruno the Plaid use 9000 of 18650 cells for a 110kWh total battery. The 4680 are not in the Plaid but the next Model Y and will be in the cybertruck in 2023. Guess what! I had the opportunity to touch cohple 4680 recently i indirectly work for the 4680 cells developpment 😉. btw my 2WD 32kW ebike and my ZERO drag racing bike use 100C pouch cells from declassified military drones and sold by the father of electric drsg racing the epic John Metric !! A 13 pounds pack that deliver 70kW!!

[@Slowron215]

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