10 Doctor Who Controversies Fans Can't Agree On

From showrunners to show canon, there are some Doctor Who debates that will seemingly never end...
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[@422katieleigh]

lol at Chibnall not even being mentioned in the last one. I mean I agree, but still funny.

[@masterfrf]

VOTE SAXON FOR PRIME MINISTER 🔥🔥🔥

[@ethanisadreamer]

can hear the drums from here

[@Iggymuncher]

HERE COME THE DRUMS 🗣️🔊🔊🔊🔊

[@ConstantOwl]

No

[@carwashgirl3541]

I wish they had "Vote Saxon" shirts on Amazon

[@DittoGTI]

Masterful plan my guy

[@joshuapage6127]

I personally feel that Moffat story's with RTD as show runner is the perfect combination.

[@Becvar80]

This. Moffat is a decent show runner, but it's not his forte

[@wwswhl773]

@@Becvar80 whereas RTD is amazing as show runner but Moffat has the BEST episodes and villains when not running it!! i so agree!!

[@IreneWY]

200% agree

[@JeddHampton]

This seems like the obvious answer. Even in the whole rundown in the video, RTD's strengths are in running the ship, but his weaknesses are in his individual episodes. Moffat is the complete reverse. It seems the best combo is RTD running the show and cutting more of his episodes out while having Moffat in the writers room and director's chair for his episodes.

[@LCBK]

Who is the better show runner RTD or the grand moff Chibnall then appears in the ring yelling “don’t forget about me!” Then the fans come into the ring to pull him out

[@RandomRoss]

I think Steven Moffat made the Weeping Angels even more scary. The fact that they can also move in the dark, break necks, and use your vocal chords to speak.

[@theadamabrams]

Those parts are fine, but it was silly to say they would not move just because they thought someone whose eyes were completely closed was looking at them---they very obviously understood eyes open vs. closed from, well, BLINK. And showing them moving on screen was absolutely completely unequivocally bad.

[@SnowLily06]

​@@theadamabramsthats not even the problem. The problem is that the angels don't choose to stay still at all. Them turning to stone is a fact of their biology they have no choice over it. Another problem is that when they move they are still stone. The angels are not meant to be stone when they are not observed.

[@theadamabrams]

@@SnowLily06 Yes, you're right. (1) Their inability to move should be a physically-required response to observation, not a choice they make, and (2) even if it were a choice, they should not be dumb enough to be fooled by a person with closed eyes. I also like the idea that no one, including the audience, knows what their "true form" looks like, and that one seen of them moving on-screen (as stone) ruins that.

[@tempusspiritus]

1. The Doctor should avoid killing, but there’s no denying he has plenty of times. I love the line from Davros about how the Doctor abhors violence but fashions people into weapons as it’s true. One way or another death tends to follow the Doctor. 2. I loved Amy & Rory as they may be my favorite companions despite how much I love Donna, but yeah as soon as they came back divorced I felt like they’d stuck around too long. I think I even expected them to be gone already when that episode aired as I wasn’t keeping up with the show news so I was shocked to see them return in such a way. 3. I feel like the show has canon and it should define what is canon as it came first as well is what the majority of the fans are familiar with. Beep the Meep appearing in the show helped me to further cement the extended media as non-canon in my mind, unless stated in-show of course which then it’s not really extended media anymore rather it’s show content, as his tv appearance retcons his comic storyline. If they’re going out of their way to adapt stuff from the extended media then I feel we can assume the extended media typically isn’t seen as canon by the show-runners. The various nods to extended media like the 8th Doctor name dropping companions that only exist in extended media or the Shalka Doctor’s face seemingly making an appearance are however a bit confusing, though these are often one-off things that aren’t really covered again causing me to see them merely as Easter eggs for extended media fans. 4. I disliked Danny Pink from early on and while I could see his points of view sometimes they never really made him likable. I mean I don’t mind him being confrontational with the Doctor yet then we had him disapproving of Clara having anything to do with him resulting in her kinda sneaking around and I just didn’t see him adding anything of value to the show except unnecessary drama. 5. I don’t guess it matters to me much but the numbering system does help to organize it better in your mind as well as talk about it with others. Before you might tack on classic or new Who yet now we essentially have 3 different season 1s(I know New Who uses the term series but here in the US we typically say series so I’d probably mislabeled the 2005 series as season 1.) 6. While I didn’t like the changes made to them by Moffat, especially seeing them move, I think the angels working for the Division was even worse for some reason. I still like the concept of them somewhat but they’re not nearly as interesting. 7. Technically I believe the Doctor said Davros was his arch enemy but I want to say the Master/Missy are. Davros and the daleks are his most hated enemies yet the Master is essentially his opposite counterpart. Still, it’s a bit of a toss up. 8. I don’t mind a bigger budget if they can actually use it properly and I don’t think it should be overly done. For instance there were moments in Boom where I felt the backdrop looked very flat and obvious due to them using the super fancy screens. I’d like to see as much practical as possible but there’s some amazing, high budget practical stuff they can do instead. 9. In my opinion bi-generation added nothing of value to the series and instead opens up logic issues. The Legend of Ruby Sunday & Empire of Death are prime examples as we’ve got UNIT looking into what they say is a super obvious TARDIS anagram being used by a nationally known company which is also run by a woman named Susan yet the 14th Doctor is nowhere to be seen. I feel he should have been aware of S Triad Technologies regardless but especially given Donna(and Rose 🙄) now work at UNIT it should have been on his radar yet he’s presumably off on vacation with Donna. I also feel the in-universe reasoning for the bi-generation has essentially been retconned as we’re led to believe it’s for therapeutic reasons yet while admittedly the 15th Doctor may be over the destruction of Gallifrey & the flux he now is dealing with emotional baggage over being “adopted”, is apparently traumatized by the bi-generation despite that not remotely matching the attitudes of either Doctor when the bi-generation happened, and finally along with lingering issues he got new trauma from the flux 2.0 though given he reverses it he’s probably over it already. You’d think he’d have a better emotional grip over his “adoption” and the bi-generation if staying with Donna’s family was going to help that much. 10. It’s difficult as I loved the original RTD era yet I want to say Moffat is better. I know his overarching stories could get a bit messy, but boy were they good. RTD had some amazing episodes but when I look at comparing whole seasons Moffat rises to the top due to the way the episodes came together. I’d say the best RTD did with such writing was Series 4, but even then I heard rumors the Doctor Donna wasn’t always planned rather it was a way to get himself out of the corner he’d written himself into.

[@SarahAndreaRoycesChannel]

I found the "controversies" often quite amusing, Moffat especially loved to make fun of them. But one from that era I loved most was that "fans" build this whole head canon of an antagonistic relationship between RTD and Moffat when in reality first of all RTD build Moffat up to the task of showrunner and secondly Moffat regularly consulted RTD during his run. I find it especially rewarding that Moffat returns as a screenwriter now.

[@basilsigerson]

Love and Monsters walked so that Blink and Turn left could run.

[@RandomRoss]

And 72 Yards

[@robo3007]

And Human Nature/Family of Blood

[@VideoShogun]

Yeah 72 yards is the best ​@@RandomRoss

[@klaxoncow]

@@RandomRoss *73 yards

[@klaxoncow]

@@VideoShogun *73 yards

[@davidvanhorn3340]

Missy: "Wait, DAVROS is your arch enemy now? I'll scratch his eye out!"

[@judithstrachan9399]

She would, too!

[@akaakaakaak5779]

Yaz was around longer than Amy and Clara? I legit think of her as being a new companion who i know wayyy less about than, say, Martha

[@friendlyotaku9525]

@akaakaakaak5779 Yaz is one of very few companions who were around for a Doctor's entire tenure with her and Rose being the only ones though the Ninth Doctor was only around for one season. The only other companions to come close are Jamie and Tegan, Jamie missed out by one story and Tegan missed out by two.

[@tardistrailers]

That's because she had barely any characterisation. Only thing I know about her is that she's a police officer (which was like never relevant after the first episode) and fell in love with the Doctor for her last few episodes, before being unceremoniously thrown out of the TARDIS for not really any reason. We had more and better characterisation for Amy in her first episode.

[@saturnblue]

I think the way the Jodi era was done with long gaps and low episode counts really hurt our ability to get to know the characters. It also doesn't help that the stories weren't worth a re-re-rewatch in my opinion. All of the other doctors I will happily watch on a loop or week feel company while working from home, but not Jodie's story lines, they somehow feel Hollow.

[@saturnblue]

​@@friendlyotaku9525 that is so strange because I consider Sarah Jane to be the companion Who spent more time on screen. especially given she was with two doctors in her run and then the five doctors and then cameoed in multiple episodes of the new series. Not to mention starring into spin-off.

[@friendlyotaku9525]

@@tardistrailers "before being unceremoniously thrown out of the TARDIS for not really any reason" this is just false, the fact any people still say this is BAFFLING and Yaz certaInly had characterization so I really disagree with that take also.

[@laurencebastien-dionne218]

Considering that Steven Moffat IS the"creator" of the weeping Angels, he has all the right to do what he wants with it

[@TheRatt96]

I found Danny pink to be a decent character, he was like Jackie, a reason to go back. Clara had the notion of staying on earth but also traveling but Danny pink felt like he would be there for Clara and thus Clara would stay forever on earth. But then they killed him off and I was mad.

[@DanBrizuela]

10. It all depends on the circumstances 9. Under normal circumstances? Maybe. But you have to take into account that they were now his family as well as knowing his fate 8. Across the spiderverse gave us a good lesson about canon 7. Yes 6. No 5. No 4. All of them 3. As long as there’s a good balance 2. Yes 1. Moffat for both modern and all

[@MollyInanna]

The one detail people leave out of the wider "everyone bigenerated" angle - they bigenerated into separate timelines. So that angle basically introduced the same "variant multiverse" angle that the MCU did. It's not that bad.

[@hakami6299]

The 11th and Ponds were my favourite Doctor Who seasons, their interactions were so fun, energetic, my favourite dynamics. Each 5 of them (I'm incloding Rory's dad and River Song) added something to the story. So I can't agree they stayed too long. They should've stayed longer!! And if they were to stay longer they would have gotten a better story arch for season 7... Although I must say I kind of love their ending. I hate that we now can't see them again, but what they did for each other... That was beautiful. And we know they had a happy life.

[@jb888888888]

FR I thought the thumbnail was Amy's face photoshopped on to River's hairstyle (or vice-versa).

[@t.mustermann]

Amy and rory - just perfect

[@RayTheomo]

Didnt like the whole cheating on Rory thing though. And Rory just letting it go didnt make sense.

[@jeremiahyoung4617]

@@RayTheomo I swear i say this every time, I really didn't think that she loved or even liked him until maybe Amy's choice. Even the doctor thought so as well. Like everything he said about them and himself and at the end Amy asks him "is that really what you think about yourself?" Like didn't this man just downplay your entire relationship the whole episode?

[@neonswift]

The angel movement scene you showed was lit but was flickering on and off. An object can't be observed if you cant see it in the dark. Surely the idea is that you are not seeing it move, you're just seeing snapshots of it in different positions? Though its been a while since I've seen the scene. Every time the light flickers off for a second its not seen and hence moves and this could explain why its movement doesn't look smooth enough: its like stop motion.

[@LCBK]

The way I look at the extended cannon is it’s cannon if you want, unless it is de-canonized by the show

[@josephcooter5763]

I thought that the Angels were over used. They were great as a one off and are perfect example of why it is not always a good idea to bring a villian back.

[@Iggybart05]

i find it comical when someone says "so and so ruined X" when so and so was the creator of X. he made the weeping angels, they're his baby lol

[@briandaleske5139]

In the previous Thirteenth Season of (DOCTOR WHO) show, it had introduced the multiverse, the 13th-Doctor discovers there’s more than two dimensional realms. An so I theorize in a different realm, a variant of Amy Pond & her husband Rory Williams, they had two more kids, a few years later. After they were sent to a different time period, by the fault of a Weeping-Angel, it happened in an old abandoned field, that was by a very old cemetery. And sadly leaving behind their grownup daughter (Melody Pond) aka (River Song) in the present day. In addition I imagine, one of AMY & RORY’S descendants, meets The-Doctor in the far distant future, she sadly dies by a dangerous alien, inside an unimaginably large library. But despite that, I imagine she has a younger 3rd. brother, who I imagine is her half brother, and he’s the only one who genuinely cares about her. In addition I imagine he was genuinely sad, when he had discovered that she died, but he was happy later, after discovering a copy of her mind was saved on the digital library. Now I imagine within this same, different realm, that they exist in, is a variant of The-Doctor, and I imagine he has two serving family members, somewhere out in the universe. The only two family members, who survived, are his sister, and his male cousin. In addition I imagine each one, went off to different planets, in their own TARDIS, when the danger got worse, on their home world. Plus to add I imagine that, this variant of The-Doctor, he remembers his biological father, but he’s unable to remember his birth mother.

[@Anna-B]

I figured I’d put my opinions, add to the debate! 1. The Doctor should never kill someone if he has another choice. 2. Amy and Rory needed to either stay for their whole 3rd season or leave after the 2nd. And I agree, the arc was weird 3. The canon isn’t the most important thing, but there are some things that need to hold true for me. The show or otherwise. William Hartnell was the first (already off to a great start), he “borrowed” the TARDIS, he was a father, those basic ideas about the actual character 4. I like Danny Pink, but I don’t think he was used well 5. It doesn’t really matter, but it’s definitely annoying. “The big season number is daunting” angle doesn’t make sense. People know there’s more doctor who. Whatever streaming service or tv channel they watch it on will have more Doctor Who. That argument also feels a little condescending to non British people 6. I still love the Angels, but I think with every appearance they become less scary and fun. Not because they should be one and done, but because the way the Angels were shown and edited in Blink should have stayed for all their episodes 7. I think the Daleks are more of the Arch-nemesis. The Master is more of a… regular enemy with a fun character arc 8. I think a moderate budget is best for this show. It lets them be ambitious without having things be too polished, which is where it’s been for a few years now (too much CGI) 9. If it stays a one time thing, I think it’s fun. But if it ever shows up again, I’m officially upset by it 10. I love both, in different ways! I think I have more fun with Moffat, but feel more heart from RTD

[@justarandomguy2424]

I agree with all of the above. except the season number thing. I think tv changed in that everybody wants to watch from the start, that's what streaming is for after all but dr who was made as a tv show airing a random arc of episodes that you just jump into and enjoy without thinking about countinuity the season long arcs where just a little spice added to that.

[@judithstrachan9399]

So do I. Especially, I did like Danny quite a lot.

[@stephenschneekloth1535]

The problem wasn't Danny it was Clara. The show became "Clara and her immortal Genus Time Traveling manservant".

[@alisonponce8337]

Who cares about details when we can have this fabulous show with all the fabulous Doctors.

[@malahammer]

Except the most recent three :)

[@SnowLily06]

​@@malahammeryou're really gonna say David and Ncuti are bad doctors? Wow

[@neonswift]

Daleks are an opposing force not a nemesis. Nemesis is singular, otherwise there would be no need for the plural "nemeses". Its not in the spirit of the word to use nemesis to describe an obstacle made up of multiple entities. But you can have multiple nemeses which are multiple individuals who independently make up a challenge. But the Daleks (mostly) don't have enough defining features as individuals to warrant them being referred to as a nemesis. Nemesis is also not inherently a bad guy, its just someone/something (singular) that is hard to defeat. Which is why the Master, when she was an ally to the Doctor in that one season, was still his nemesis.

[@rene370]

I am cackling that Chibnall was left out of the “better show runner” question

[@dragonofmordor]

1. No killing as a general rule is great, but it. is also good that he/she is willing to do what is necessary sometimes. 2. Nope. Amy and Rory and 11 are my favorite Doctor and companion pairing. 3. Personally I say there are different levels of canon. The tv show is main canon. Audio dramas and books are a second level, they count, but not quite to the same level as tv. It is very helpful that time changes in Who, so some things probably were canon and now aren't due to some change that happened. 4. Yes. I liked him a lot. I wish they'd done more with him, but I liked him. 5. I don't know, TBH. Doesn't matter much to me, I just watch what I like. 6. Nope. I found them scarier once they could kill. I don't find being sent to the past that scary. Well, okay, the seeing them moving was bad. But everything else was good. 7. For me it is the Master because he's the dark mirror of the Doctor. 8. No. 9. I wasn't a personal fan. I just feel like there is too much 10/14. Tennant got the Metacrisis Doctor and now 14 gets to remain. He's not my favorite Doctor personally (I think he's a bit overrated), so it annoys me. 10. Moffatt's era, hands down. 11 and 12 are my favorite Doctors, and Moffatt's era is my favorite.

[@dragonzilla6482]

I was in a debate on who is the best written with a Brony once at college and it turned nasty.

[@deadspeedgames]

Well meta crisis doctor was stated to be human 100 percent and he will die with rose and the fact he's stuck on alternate earth without a tardis

[@brianturner5995]

I'm definitely a Moffat man...but I do like the RTD era as well (and I must admit, I really enjoyed Love and Monsters, even with the icky ending :) )

[@sagieaesir13]

I feel like for the last point, RTD is best at longwritten stories, the overarching arcs and character development and relationships. Moffat seems to be better at contained episodes, finding the beauty in the mundane (Vincent and the Doctor does this SO WELL!!!), and keeping the little details in mind. I think they're both good and we can't really compare them, but it's just what I've noticed!

[@NullStaticVoid]

Moffat is by far my favorite. There is something more cerebral about his writing that reminds me of classic Who. Yeah he can get convoluted. But I think he is emulating stuff like the Key of Time story arc. RTD is a lot more flashy. He loves bold colors, driving music and bombastic story lines. Sure it doesn't make sense to have the Doctor do this, but it looks really cool! His story writing frequently builds you up for a finale that never arrives. Except of course Stolen Earth/Journey's End. That was a fantastic finale. Chock full of fan service nonsense. But a very fun ride nonetheless. Personally I'd like to see someone other than RTD as showrunner, with Moffat, RTD and Chibnall contributing scripts. As much as I agree with the hate for Chibnall as showrunner, he wrote a lot of good episodes before he got the big chair. How else do you think he got the big chair?

[@Kayjee17]

People are complaining about 3 versions of David Tennant as the Doctor? There can never be enough of a good thing, especially since they're all off in different places! My favorite headcannon is having 14, 15, and Clara meeting up to battle some major bad guys because the 3 Tardis(es) are needed to save the universe. Then 14 and 15 go with Clara back to her death-point because she's ready now, but she wants him/them with her... and the two Doctors working together are able to bring out 12, if only in a joint mental projection, to give them a proper goodbye before she goes.

[@brookeworrall9110]

Moffat writing for RTD no question

[@ethanisadreamer]

love debating over doctor who

[@tompraeger]

In regards to the canon question: Btw, Since the BBC doesn’t seem to have a official stanse on which Doctor Who story counts as canon, in my opinion all Doctor Who stories are canon, regardless of medium, that meet these two criteria: 1. A fictional story, not written as a parody, set in the Doctor Who universe (Whoniverse). 2. A story either produced or licensed by the BBC or officially licensed by the licensee of the characters in question (for those Whoniverse characters not exclusively or fully owned by the BBC). Any inconsistencies between stories can be chalked up to the nature of franchise as a time travel series and paradoxes always shifting details of the timeline. Is that unhelpfully broad? probably, but I feel with Doctor who any definition will end up either very broad or unreasonably tight.

[@robsquared2]

I like how it's Moffet vs Davies and Chibnall nowhere in the running.

[@friendlyotaku9525]

I think that's just because this debate has been raging since Davies first left the showrunning position.

[@germainelensing4158]

I respect different opinions about Doctor Who, but there are good reasons why the Tenth Doctor (David Tennant) is so popular. He was the reason& Christopher Ecclestone that I continued to watch and love the series. Russell T Davies brought a special depth to the series, especially in the relationships with the companions and their families. Under Steven Moffat, some things changed, including the budget, which improved production. However, a series shouldn’t be rated highly just because of better production values. Peter Capaldi as the Twelfth Doctor, who came after Matt Smith, was great and brought a dark but familiar side to the Doctor. His chemistry with the companions & with River were also excellent. Matt Smith’s era was good, but it often lacked the emotional depth that Davies brought. Moffat’s focus was initially more on the Doctor’s adventures and less on the companions’ relationships. The Thirteenth Doctor had some weaknesses, and the current Fourteenth Doctor shows potential, even though some episodes lean too much towards “woke” themes. Still, both deserve their place in the ranking, and especially the Fourteenth Doctor could still surprise positively with episodes like “Seventy Two Yard” and “Dot und Babbel.” In summary, creativity and good acting play a crucial role alongside a bigger budget. The best seasons of Doctor Who are characterized by deep character development and emotional bonds, not just impressive special effects.

[@beardedmotu2007]

“Saving people, hunting things… The family business.

[@natty4bumpo]

Now I've gotta watch 'Looney Toons: Back in Action' (though I've already seen the clip) 😂

[@so1opiniao]

If there's a thing that Chibnall saved, it was the Weeping Angels' reputation in Village of the Angels

[@gestaltdude]

I have to confess that I've never strayed from a direct continuation approach to series numbering. Eccleston's season is in my list under season 27, not series 1, and Ncuti's is season 41. Nothing will change my approach to this, as it seems the easiest way to avoid confusion.

[@DrWhoFanJ]

Ncuti won’t be getting Season 41 until next year.

[@hx823]

This has been my thinking as well as I update my Doctor Who Ep Guide (for my edification, of course).

[@gestaltdude]

@@hx823 Of course. No point in forcing our own views on others. :D

[@skymario7857]

I think for the show runner debate is that RTD is better at Companions Story arcs And Moffet is better at Story’s Monsters So if we get an series where the story’s and monsters ideas are Moffet but the Series arc and companions are written by RTD then that will be so good

[@Lukecash2]

Honestly, Moffat is better at story arcs and landing them than RTD. RTD is better at varied tone and emotional characters.

[@UnclePhil2k]

Okay! This is gonna be a long one, but here goes!! •I love ALL of season 7. It's one of my favorites. I felt that it took some really daring risks & gave us some truly interesting plots & character portrayals. Also, going into the 50th anniversary, it made every new episode feel like true "Event/Appointment TV." •Renaming season 14 as season 1 is more for the new Disney Plus viewers. If you know what comes before, it's not a big deal. •The Master is the Doctors main arch-nemesis. Full stop. Everyone else is a collective of baddies (Daleks, Cybermen, Angels, etc.) •Amy & Rory did stay a bit long, but I liked the fact their break was a bit more messy. Felt like how real relationships end. Unexpectedly sometimes. •Moffat is the better showrunner, but RTD knows how to promote the series better. •The Doctor isn't and never should be portrayed a bloodthirsty killer. Time War or not. Hes not someone who doesn't value life. He should only end a life in the aim of saving others. He earns that respect for life by sometimes being forced to act against it. And he does it only to defend the innocents that can't defend themselves. It's a complicated and contradicting stance to occupy, but it's like many things we contend with in life. Complicated. •Danny Pink *is* a likeable & relatable character because not only does he challenge the Doctor for his flaws, he challenges the audiences perception of the Doctor as well. No other character as occupied that position quite like Danny did, and it really enriched & further grounded the show. •The Weeping Angels are a fantastic innovation, but multiple use of any plot device diminishes the "newness" shine they have. Their story & history HAS to expand eventually. If it doesn't, it makes the use of any character or monster stagnate. •Higher production quality is great. But it's the story & the character of the Doctor that unites old & new fans. The Doctor has to be allowed to grow & change. If they don't? The show would've died a final death decades ago. •Bi-generation is a great concept. We all dreaded seeing David Tennant die yet again, and RTD found a way to avoid making it seem like a overdramatized cliche. Making the bi-generation retroactive throughout the multiverse is just a way for us to get the fanservice we crave with returning characters WITHOUT damaging the office held by the Doctors current incarnation. You can either count it as canon or not. It's honestly left up to the audience to decide what they want to keep or dismiss.

[@Polar-Guard]

After seeing RTD back as show runner and thinking back on both the Moffat and RTD eras of the show I have to say I think Moffat was the better show runner.

[@robo3007]

"Doctor Who entered it's first slump in series 7 and you could argue never truly recovered" you are speaking as if series 10 doesn't exist

[@SnowLily06]

That's what I thought too!

[@tenzhitihsien888]

Bigeneration is great if one of them becomes the Valeyard.

[@NonMeusNomen]

It makes more sense to call Jodie Whittaker's Series 1, since Doctor Who ended with Capaldi's departure.

[@ShelledKyle]

U did Chibnall so dirty lol

[@peterratter6603]

Of this list, all are debatable matters of opinion, other than yes, Moffat did overuse/ruin the Weeping Angels. The cherubs were chilling; the Statue of Liberty was silly but acceptable for a one-off joke/jump-scare, but we should never have seen them move on screen.

[@veggiet2009]

An even more controversial take: should the ponds have stayed longer? I think there's an argument that could have been made that Amy's grief about being sterile and not raising her daughter as a normal mother which lead to the divorce could have made for another good series arcing story if it had been fleshed out. There's another even better argument that series 7b Clara didn't add enough value and having established companions hang around would have been better

[@RunfromDangerMan]

I prefer the early days of it being charming in how bad the effects were, but the Moffat era was good for a world scope I’d say. The special effects caught up for those that don’t want to see monsters made out of cardboard and couch cushions, but there were still those moments where we could enjoy it. An over reliance on cgi like we had recently just felt too try hard for the origins and reputation of the show. If this were any other show then an over reliance on cgi might be good. But this is Doctor Who. Overly relying on cgi feels like they’re trying to make up for something. To me anyway.

[@ShadowJoeSnow]

Russel as Showrunner and Moffat as writer

[@ThelmaFrohlich]

I started watching the Doctor in 1978 with tom Baker.

[@Legendary3Dgamer]

11:03 No the 10th Doctor isn't alive because he already has regenerated from the 10th into 11th so the Doctors with this face that's actually alive Rn is meta crisis and 14 😂

[@starlalilymoon]

I think bi-regeneration can help explain the Valeyard in the future, and possibly the return of him too.

[@cyberinsecuregaming2890]

I think Moffat is a better writer and RTD is a better showrunner.

[@darrenrichardson6146]

AH, number 6, the season numbering...... Let's just refer to each iteration as Volumes, so classic Who is Volume 1, the 2005 revival Volume 2 and the current Disney Era Volume 3, that way all three get their "Season 1".

[@markwolfking258]

Gatwa is excellent and I love him, but also, if there were twenty Tenant Doctors running around the whoniverse... well, that's alright then!

[@AnomalySource]

My only issue with Clara will always be the impossible girl being resolved too quickly. 11 and Clara should have gotten a full series (Matt has since said he regrets not staying for a full series with Jenna) before 11 regenerated into 12.

[@capybara85]

Can we just take a minute to appreciate Jenna Coleman's nose tho? High quality nose right there

[@MetroStationVampire]

I love New Earth 🥲 lol Cassandra’s death makes me cry every time 😂

[@SerathDarklands]

10. Depends on the Doctor. Different Regenerations have different personalities, and it makes sense for certain Doctors to be more bloodthirsty or unforgiving than others. 9. No. I think Amy and Rory had about as much time as companions as they should have. I think it would have been better to have them leave for other reasons so we could see them again someday, but I don't think they were there TOO long. 8. Personally, I think of Doctor Who's canon on different levels, sort of like Star Wars. The show and spin-offs are the primary canon, comics and radio dramas are secondary canon, and things like charity shows are explicitly not canon until and unless they are referenced in primary canon. 7. Eh? I never really had strong feelings about Danny until after his death. His actions post-death are what make me enjoy him, he is a good man and a selfless man, but we don't really see TOO much of that while he's alive. 6. No. Beyond helping keep track of season and episode orders, the actual numbering itself doesn't matter. 5. I don't think 'ruin' is the right word. The Weeping Angels are predicated on our lack of understanding, the fear of the unknown. Each subsequent appearance takes a bit of that away. This is countered a bit by giving them new and curious abilities, like 'the image of an Angel is an Angel'. I think the Angels are diminished, not ruined. 4. The Master, without question. I could potentially see an argument for Davros, but the Doctor even says that the Master is his equal. The Master is Moriarty to the Doctor's Holmes. It's less about sheer threat and more about their relationship, they're foils for each other. 3. No. That's nostalgia talking. As long as the show doesn't lose sight of where it came from, it'll almost certainly still have that humble charm. 2. It's not a GREAT idea, but it's not awful. We've seen all kinds of crazy pseudo-science shenanigans on Doctor Who over the years, and I don't think Bi-Generation is bad, I just wish that it had been at least mentioned before as a Time Lord myth, rather than just being pulled out of the writers' butts at the last minute, or that it had been given a different explanation. If we're doubling down on the Timeless Child thing, maybe make it part of the natural life cycle of the Timeless Child, and other Time Lords' regeneration is imperfect so Bi-Generation is impossible for anyone else. 1. Honestly, they're both excellent, and their different styles scratch different itches for me. BONUS: The best Doctor is Peter Capaldi. The man can say more in a glance than most other actors can in an entire monologue, and when he does monologue, it's enrapturing. Heaven Sent is still one of the greatest Doctor Who episodes ever, and there are very few actors that could have pulled it off. Christopher Lee, Patrick Stewart, maybe Derek Jacobi... David Tennant is decently close, though, and I think with another decade or two of acting experience, he'll match or maybe even surpass Capaldi, but looking at their performances as they stand now, Capaldi is the best.

[@aidansheldrick3]

What was the lego Dr Who?!

[@quincyglg]

Don't worry about the numbering, the fans do that without thinking about it.

[@stephenschneekloth1535]

I guess The Timeless Children isn't on here because the fans agree that it was a horrible idea so no controversy between the fans there.

[@B__C__]

I think you can like both both showrunners for their shows. I love both _The Eleventh Hour_ and _Gridlock._

[@kingdonut6675]

Doctor who is a show about change so I don’t mind updated graphics. I mean they have changed the protagonist more than a dozen times and had like twice as many more supporting characters.

[@CliffCutterActual]

10. No, even killing Sutehk felt off. Of course that said I can't pretend I didn't fully enjoy the Goblin King's death. 9. Yeah, I mean I like them but the whole divorce arc rubbed me the wrong way, though The Angels take Manhattan does come close to making up for it 8. I like when any IP canonizes obscure details from their extended universe, but beyond that I have no strong opinion (Except Star Trek, Andorians have 4 sexes and no one will ever convince me otherwise) 7. Yes, I liked him a lot. I didn't like how they ended his arc, but even then I liked the character himself. 6. I honestly get some of the reasoning for calling it Season 1, but it makes it so hard to google. So I'm ok with it, but I wouldn't say I liked it. 5. I liked the episodes he put the angels, but I didn't really like all the changes. Seeing the angels move was the biggest mistake imo since some scenes in Blink heavily implied that on some meta level we the audience were part of the world. I have a soft spot for the idea of implying that the cameras and by extension the audience are passively interacting with the story by observing it, and I think that really stems from Blink itself. 4. It's the Master, I can get the argument that it's the Daleks and Davros, they do have seniority after all, but their antagonism somehow feels less personal to the Doctor even when they explicitly makes it personal. 3. This is case by case, I have no universal opinion here 2. Yes, but only the once. If they pull it out again it again it had better be very good, like Heaven Sent level good, or it will instantly become a really bad idea. However, I will make an exception for the extended universe, Big Finish can do whatever they want with bi-generation, heck I'd let them get away with tri-generation. 1. Moffat is a more consistently great writer, but RTD is my preferred showrunner. This honestly has less to do with Doctor Who itself and more to do with my feelings about Queer as Folk and Sherlock as I enjoyed the former much more than the later. Also RTD is a confirmed little Gay Geek and I identify a lot with that. (Yes I know he's quite tall, so am I, but I still consider us both Little Gay Geeks)

[@glennturner3224]

10 - No 9 - No 8 - Pure BBC TV, or everything 7 - He's ok 6 - Can be helpful for new people, not bothered myself 5 - No 4 - The Master 3 - No 2 - Maybe (leaning towards no, but can see potential for good) 1 - Stephen Moffatt

[@deliamcleod1165]

Share writing the episodes, but give Moffat a few extra, but let RTD set and control the Arc of the season and have a few guest writers per season. As to companions RTD's are better, I like the Ponds but Donna?? does it get any better?

[@InsaneProf]

Donna was one of the worst companions, almost as bad as all of Jodie's Companions. She was just yet another iteration of the character than Catherine Tate played the most (Mouthy woman of indeterminate age), I found her to be as grating as Adric.

[@judithstrachan9399]

Whereas I loved her. Devotedly. (It may have helped that my maiden name was Noble…) (And that I haven’t seen her show, except the odd snippet.)

[@arandomkid8990]

The doctor is scary when they want to be, and friendly when they want to be Isnt that scary enough?

[@Tasorius]

I hate that they added a female doctor in this age of always saying "them". He has been a male most of the time, so there is no need to use that pronoun...

[@deadspeedgames]

But they did say the new doctor who was on who wasn't afraid to use deadly methods since he was the darker side of the doctor giving his 14th incarnation peace

[@nny2dope]

As you go? Ok... 10 yes, 9 big yes, 8 i consider it all canon, 7 nah, 6 this is Season 40 to me and my file system, 5 the angels lost their story power, 4 master is the moriarty of dw, 3 no, 2 was awesome, but was wasted unless 14 shows up in a unit spinoff or something, (Personally, i want a Noble household sitcom spin off), 1 RTD hands down.

[@codyfeisel6970]

RTD is better at planning out an entire series. Moffat is better at writing individual stories. The best results came when Moffat was writing Tennant scripts and RTD was figuring out how it all fit together.

[@geoffroi-le-Hook]

8. I'm not sure I'd consider the 13th Doctor era as canon 7. Are we sure Rupert isn't Danny's black sheep brother? I'm not 5. Chibnall ruined the angels by making the Doctor an Angel

[@RioDSJ]

I voted for the Albion party this year but it’s weird how it didn’t even show up on any of the polls today🤷🏽‍♂️

[@rtaylor7384]

For me having companions around for a long time is a good thing. I got really annoyed with RTD when he only kept Martha and Donna for one series only and brought them back as guests stars and also I think Martha deserves better. She save the world but didn’t get enough credit. She was an underrated companion in my opinion. She was amazing.

[@racerunner1234]

0:26 same vortex I use when editing the credits for @TheWhoTubeShow lol, also will you be doing a video about who you think Mrs Flood is?

[@quincyglg]

Love and monster, the creature was created as part of a drawing.

[@Tasorius]

I hate it, and I always skip that episode...

[@IsThatDrak]

moffats episodes and companions were by far the best of all time, an i include "classic who" i have hated every companion since clara left,i liked clara alot i know many didnt but i think she made a great test for a female doctor its just a shame they got a crap writer to actually do it lol i hated jodie the whole time but recently thought... i dont think i would have hated her so much if moffat was still writing for her.

[@S_yIvie]

Russel is def the better showrunner for me, however Moffat makes the best standalone episodes. Im an ideal world Russel wrote the overarching story and Moffat the episodes themself

[@bexrex97]

Love and monsters is great entertainment, I love it😂

[@GoranNewsum]

On the Moffat vs RTD debate, my take is this: Moffat is the better episode writer, but Russell is the better showrunner.

[@DyrianLightbringer]

Moffat definitely ruined the angels, and he unknowingly did it in Blink. When Sally Sparrow gives the Doctor her notes, she includes a photo of an angel. So, there is no possible way that the Doctor would not have already known that an image of an angel becomes an angel by the time of the Byzanthium.

[@jeffwalker7185]

I think the Doctor not killing was thrown out of the window with Remembrance of the Daleks where the Doctor used the Hand of Omega to destroy Skaro (by making the planet's star go supernova). This not only killed any Daleks within the Skaro's star system, but also the Thals, the peaceful inhabitants of Skaro who were often persecuted by the Daleks.

[@HariSeldon913]

Technically, you can go at least as far back as The Sontaran Experiment in 1975 where he rigs the Sontaran's ship to kill Styre. He may not have pulled a trigger, but it's the equivalent of poisoning someone's canteen in the desert. And that's if you don't count the robot in 4's first episode which he told Sarah Jane, "You could say it was human." after he unleashed the metal eating organism on it.

[@joshuacurphey3242]

Actually, it is said that the Thals had long since left Skaro by the time it was destroyed in Remembrance of the Daleks. Also, he really had no choice because of the threats that the K-1 robot and Styre presented.

[@Requiemslove]

Retconned or not, the "Time war" and the Dr's actions during it seem's just a little bit worse than all that. I mean, Daleks, Check, but also, any allies OF the Daleks in that brutal war, and the Dr's own race and any allies OF the Time-Lords. The Dr, wiped everyone out. It was so bad they rejected the existence of the "war Dr" who chronologically is placed between 8 and 9. [So, Dr Who version 8.5?]

[@Mark-nh2hs]

This whole NuWho concept of the Doctor shouldn't kill is utterly ridiculous 😂. The 4th Doctor commited Genocide quite a few times - The Fendhal, The Great Vampire to name a few. The 6th Doctor and he even tried to justify it 😂. There has been many more times he's done questionable things and not once did he regret it or feel remorse for his actions I mean the 7th Doctor always seemed to enjoy it. It wasn't until NuWho where he became a wet sap and was all about "feelings". Rolls eyes

[@alexberrios3528]

In my opinion, RTD is better at the overall series arc, while Moffat makes the best standalone episodes. Regardless of who you think is best, we clould all agree, Chibnall is definitely number 3

[@jacalyntweedie5377]

I say you can't have too many David Tennants....

[@geekchic8495]

"We now have 3 Doctors walking around the universe who look like David Tennant" . . . That is the OPPOSITE of a problem, hun. 😉

[@andrehall23]

The Doctor is like Superman in that case. Superman NEVER wants to kill and shouldn't kill. But he has and it's rather changed and affected him a lot.

[@danielgertler5976]

While i don't think Amy and Rory stayed too long, but its definitely not the same with Clara. With Amy and Rory those few extra episodes are more on the weak end of their run while the last season fo Clara is definitely the better content than her first season

[@BruhsCookieJar]

The thing that bothers me most about the current doctor is that he does t give a warning and he doesn’t confront and talk to the villain. He makes choices for life (or death) for them on his own without giving them the option of leaving or being better on their own. I think it’s a step back, not forward in character development. I have a lot to say on this, not about the actor, it’s the writing. The master is a fr-enemy. I don’t think the two would know what to do without each other. The angels are pretty awesome, those babies creepy. Love moffatt episodes and arcs , though I enjoy many of rtd so 🤷. Money meh!

[@Antifag1977]

After travelling through all of time and space for a decade, Amy Pond gets to live out her life with the man she loves and with enough rough knowledge of the future to remain safe and wealthy. I'd say her ending is one of the better ones for companions.

[@FilthyCasualYT]

I'd have to say I think RTD is the better show runner, but Moffat is the better writer when he doesn't get over-ambitious with series-long stories.

[@badfairy9554]

I am ok with three Davids.😁

[@igorschmidlapp6987]

I liked the Statue of Liberty Angel's cameo in "Ghostbusters 2"... ;-P

[@bexrex97]

Danny deserved so much better from Clara and I love that he doesn’t love The Doctor, he sees his flaws, and his tragic ending worked for me

[@chrisd1982]

I think calling Danny a bad character is misunderstanding the mistakes made, the two big problems surrounding him are the dr's reaction to him being a soldier is massively over blown, yes the dr doesn't like war and guns but individual soldiers he always got on with where as Danny he is just plain horrible to him, secondly he is just wasted i get the hole point of him dying at the end is that technically your always danger so his concerns about the dr are bit ridiculous but really what was the point, it seemed watching that season there was meant to be more to him especially with the episode you meet his descendant in the far future but instead he just dies

[@RunfromDangerMan]

One thing that makes Doctor Who magnificent is that canon doesn’t matter.

[@alexfletcher5192]

The Doctor is, at the end of the day, when all else fails, a pragmatic hero. Against forces that cannot be reasoned with, you cannot employ reason. That - for some - is an old fashioned idea. But it is strangely relevant to political force in Britain today and also in the time when this show came about. All peoples must be allowed to exist.

[@Mazz3D]

Something we can all agree on, chibnal bad

[@gerblansky13]

no

[@Legendary3Dgamer]

​@@gerblansky13 exactly he's not as bad and Jodie is actually underrated and she's actually a really really good Doctor

[@friendlyotaku9525]

We? Who's We? I don't agree with that.

[@RayTheomo]

The worst.

[@Mazz3D]

@@Legendary3Dgamer jodie was great, I wish anyone else was show runner