Whorls on Horses What They Mean (in my Experience) Part 2

[@carlbrown6799]

Now I'm really hooked. Since the first session, I've pulled pictures of some of my really good, and some discarded, and some nasty temperament but horses that let me win, rope horses and cutters trying to see where the whorl placement was. Wish you'd told me this 60 years ago. *LOL*

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

If I had a Nicke for every time I wished Id known better

[@JenniferGoncalves-lp3ti]

This is so interesting to learn about! I have a filly that was born 2 weeks ago that has 3 whirls that form a triangle with the point between her eyes and the other 2 higher, closer to the temples. Mom is AQHA, dad is Andalusian. She looks very fancy and is bold, curious, and smart, but is super temperamental about being touched on her belly and legs. She also sticks her tongue out of the side of her mouth a lot. I’m very curious about how she is going to turn out. Now you have me looking at all my horses whirls and analyzing them! Thanks for bringing such insightful and original content! 😊

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

To be honest after doing that video I am also paying better attention. I am seriously thinking about doing a little pamphlet with pictures because people have sure struck an interest.

[@gaylenorrell8733]

Very true! There are studies on people whorls on their heads and personality traits also!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Really? That might be interesting. My wife did some reading on Chinees face reading that seems to be pretty accurate .

[@danhall6486]

Extremely interesting study. Thanks for keeping notes for us lazy no note takers. I've had about every type of horse you've described and wish I would have known this. Good stuff

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

story of my life is wishing I would have known better.

[@debrajabs9523]

Kudos! Most comprehensive discussion on whorls I have ever heard. I take head shape in conjunction with whorls but you have had a lot more colts under you than me.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I consider the head as well but that is a lot harder to explain without pictures. I learned head conformation from an old book by Denis Magner called Magners book of stock.

[@jackkrag]

time for a whorl booklet sir

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

good idea

[@jessie.9373]

I saw a super neat whorl on a sale horse last weekend. 2 vertical whorls but they were really far apart, and the hair was growing toward each whorl. I got a pic of his head if you want to see it.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I would love to. Any other info on the horse?

[@jessie.9373]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt darn it that would have been helpful to remember his hip number. I'll look and try to find out how he was bred, I have the catalog still. He was with a bunch of pleasure bred horses though. Not sure how to share a photo on here... got an email I can send to?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Davistraining83@gmail. Pleasure horses always have a lot of weird ones iv heard.@@jessie.9373

[@jessie.9373]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I've narrowed out down to 2 horses that I think it is. I'll send you an email.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

thanks@@jessie.9373

[@jerrylindley7459]

I’m a believer in whorls. The shape of the head an the eye!!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

yes

[@MaidOfFire]

Thanks for these whorlology videos, it was fascinating to learn about and scary accurate! My mare's got a windpipe whorl on the same side as her Prophet's Thumb, she must be extra blessed lol.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I think having her makes you extra blessed

[@cathrinehoughton8003]

I enjoy your content. Thank you for taking the time to share :)

[@ingridfuchs5598]

I love this one. Thank you. I am riding a mare. She has 3 whorls on her firehead. In leverage with her eyes two, next to eachother. The right is a little bigger than the left. And one obove of them, just underneath her forelock. And she has two whorls at her neck each side one in differente places. She is very talented and beautiful but very impulsive, sensitive and easily scattered. Being a consistence rider with a low pulsrate helps ... mostly ...like you explained. Thx a lot

[@mikenorris232]

Another great video Brett. I’d love to see a video on and hear your thoughts about how much land do you need for a horse. And constant stabling versus being turned out all the time. I’d like to hear your thoughts and perspective on this. Keep up the good work on these excellent videos.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

cool that would be a fun video

[@gail2283]

Very interesting video - thank you

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Thank you

[@myearthlytreasures3]

This is great, my gelding's whorls near perfectly line up with what you are saying. Maybe you could do a section on whorls in your next book.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Somebody just suggested that. ITs a good idea

[@comesahorseman]

Interesting, thanks! 👍

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

you bet

[@marcgingras9135]

Amazing as always ! i really know nothing 😊 would it be possible to do the videos and include pictures so beginners like me would better understand ? thx i am learning so much!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

YEs we are planning on doing some pictures

[@KateTiltrum]

I have a z swirl horse, the only thing that might be different is that he is not grumpy with people. However, He’s really only comfortable with me being in his space, other people he just gets all tight with. He does grind his teeth at other horses which is annoying but only in the pasture. Have to do the same stretch before you get on him and have to be simple and quiet when you do get on him for about 3 minutes. So I can see the bear thing. 😅 He’s never really fought me on much. He has a chest wheat that goes only almost 1/2 way up his neck and ends with a wind pipe swirl 🤷‍♀️ thanks for the video, I’ve been trying to make him into a all around horse and it shakes his confidence everytime I switch to something different. So I’ll just try him as a heel horse because he’s incredibly cowy and will follow one anywhere. Thank you so much for sharing your experience, it’s giving me more insight to what he might need.

[@KateTiltrum]

Oh and he does have a high alcohol tolerance, when I got his stifles injected they usually have to give him a double 😂

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Cool, im glad I could help

[@TroyReinholdt-fz2ds]

Didn't know I needed that info? Thanks for the thought provoking subject. I've always liked whorls and understood some people seek them and make buying decisions based on location. I've got lots of horses to work with and will assess them accordingly for fun. Makes me wonder about other possibilities in conformation color and markings and traits I've overlooked that may have deeper understanding. Thanks as always.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

glad you enjoyed

[@modocroughstock5700]

Indeed

[@Cecilyeg]

It is fun learning what you have learned over the years. Some of mine goes with yours but not all of it. We have some new mares in our broodmare band and their foals are not for sale until I find out how they will train up and whether the mare gets to stay in our program. One produced a foal with the strangest whorl pattern I have ever seen. I sent a picture to you. I don't remember if I included one of his neck with a very long whorl just off the crest. He will be the most interesting to work! We raise Morgan horses and I know that some of the bloodlines are much harder to work than others. All of the worst of those horses are long gone but I would have loved to look at the whorls on those horses. I do lean toward certain bloodlines because of the superior disposition, along with conformation and work ethic. Now I will start comparing the whorl patterns, too! Thank you for doing this thought provoking pair of videos.

[@cynthiaschrantz9237]

What bloodlines do you have?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I am glad you enjoy the videos and I am even more glad that you are open minded enough to give thought to what I say even if it is different from what you have learned. That is the sign of a true Horseman. I haven't much experience with Morgans, the few I have been around were flighty and silly but all the Morgan people I have met say I got the flukes. There is a ranch in Colorado that raises a lot of them for ranch horses and I was supposed to go start a bunch of them some years ago but the deal fell apart somehow, I dont recall why but I have regretted now for some years. It is funny to me after doing this video that I am also noticing more about the whorls. I have always given them some grace and a hat tip but had never talked about them and I am now seeing that a lot of my observations in my notes and memories of old men are very accurate

[@Cecilyeg]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt That is correct! You did get the flukes. I invite you to visit us (100 miles north of Amarillo) if you are ever in our area!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@Cecilyeg I would love to visit, I might be in Texas some day

[@Cecilyeg]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Come for the ranch rodeo finals in November. It is always a good time!

[@johnphillips2396]

I never worried to much about whorls ,other than use them for identification. Just take the horse as he is and work with it.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Fair enough

[@Nutmeg142]

I have a filly with just one whorl straight between her eyes so she should be straightforward, but she is so grumpy and spicey. I wonder if it is because she has a puzzle coat.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

could be the coat.

[@modocroughstock5700]

I quickly checked this gelding and found no whorls, he was suspicious what I was quickly wanting as he's boarded next to the jobsite.. checking again today

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

well lets hope for the best. Where you at now?

[@modocroughstock5700]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Really liken McDermitt Qregon

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@modocroughstock5700 I likeMcDermitt

[@andrewcastillo9558]

Hey Bret,I had some colt questions regarding first time under saddle. If you have the time, is there anyway I can get ahold of you? Thanks.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Email me at Davistraining83@gmail

[@ASkippaTouchdown]

How do you know if whorls are the cause of all the bad luck or if it's just regular, personal bad luck unrelated to whorls?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

well you dont, but you have to blame something lol. A lot of what the old guys said was superstition but a lot was observation.

[@modocroughstock5700]

Good day, The more I am taught from you the less I (really) know.. Hindsight tells me, I should have brought my horse to you two.. if you see a good prospect for me, let me know

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I sure will. I know where there is a pretty nice filly

[@modocroughstock5700]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt where's the "Whorls" at? 😉 😆

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@modocroughstock5700 she has good whorls

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@modocroughstock5700 all over

[@modocroughstock5700]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt "Hay Vern Agsales" @ the "Out west coffee shop

[@lthorsemanship8150]

Never rode a Hancock I really liked (probably rode 40+), they can turn out ok, but never rode one that really excelled at anything. Some were built very well and looked like they should be athletes but just never had the softness to get it done. People's affection for them has always boggled mind, mind you none of these people had any need or desire for an actual cowhorse or the ability to ride and handle one.

[@andrewcastillo9558]

We've owned probably 4 or 5. Used 2 on a cow/calf operation for couple years. Would go all day long. Wife uses one for barrels and ain't terrible, 3d sometimes 2d times. Don't think I'd want them as performance horses.

[@carlbrown6799]

I've never owned a Hancock, but Shoat Webster and Everett Shaw swore by them at the big steer trippings. One thing I've been told that is that Roan Hancock produced the best cowboy horses. I have known a few really nice calf-roping horses bred from Red man.

[@lthorsemanship8150]

@@carlbrown6799 thats the reputation I've always heard and I guess would sum it up, "cowboys horse's". They'll get the job done, they're good sized with good feet, but they lack the softness and feel of the more "cow horse" bred horses in my opinion. They'll work a cow, kinda, if they have to, but nothing like a peppy San.

[@carlbrown6799]

@@lthorsemanship8150 I like the Peppy San's if they're crossed right so they have some size, bone and feet. I spent some time in the CH futurity game, with some satisfactory success, and it wasn't for me. Starting a 50+ head of 2 yr olds looking for a top 5 percenter left too many colts cast aside. Ranching, timed events in rodeo were my forte and kept me eating for 4 years. And that takes a certain type of horse mentally and physically. At age 22 I hocked everything I had to buy a 15 year, non-papered brown gelding after just roping 3 calves on him. From that time till I quit 6 yrs ago, if a horse didn't have his body style, a bit of attitude that makes him think he is special, have to 3/4 race horse and just enough cow so that he will buy into the game, I wasn't a buyer. Now Bret has me wondering where were the whorls.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Iv rode a bunch of them as well and feel about the same way