Another New Cartridge We Didn't Need...

[@brianklamer3328]

What made the .270 WSM famous two decades ago was that it took 140 grain bullets into the 7mm Rem Mag territory with speed and kinetic energy. Realistically, if hunting at ethical ranges of 450 yards or less, the classic .270 Winchester is all the skilled hunter needs. Thanks for another great video and Merry Christmas.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Merry Christmas

[@garycorley5388]

270 wsm only $70 a box only 1 offered @ cheaper than dirt Yeaaaa man sign me up naaaa naaaa I’ll stick with my 40 year old 270

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

Agree

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

What is the energy at that range compared to a 162-180 grain bullet “high bc”?

[@scottcooksey5284]

@@brianklamer3328 and that is exactly whats wrong with the.270 win. ever since it was introduced. Making people believe that they could cleanly (ethically) take animals at 450 yards and beyond. That's why it has wounded more than any other cartridge, EVER. Now I realize that buolotts are much improved today, but 450 yards, leaves room for serious havoc in it's wake. If 450 yards is as close as you can get to the animal, you ain't much of a hunter.

[@kylecasetta4091]

I don't care about long range, so faster twisting and all the latest marketing is nonsense to me. 270 win set to max point blank is all I need. Good bullets/ copper there is nothing on this continent it can't take out within reasonable hunting ranges. As a hunter my goal is to get as close as possible. If I can get within 20 for a bow shot I can damn sure hunt my way within 340yds with a rifle

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

Agree even with the very mild 130gr soft points I load I can set a MPBR of 302 yards all day everyday with a regular old 270 Winchester. And that’s sacrificing 90 FPS from a more top end load just because it’s more accurate in my rifle. (MPBR is no more than 3 in high or 3 inches low for my purposes on southern whitetail or the random Coyote or pig that walks out)

[@benjaminbradley3009]

Exactly!! It's called Hunting. People are to lazy or to busy to take the time and do it right.

[@paulmoss7940]

About 80% of new cartridges are not needed. Just like a lot of fishing lures ,they catch more fisherman than fish.

[@Gioeli76]

A few have been kinda decent but a niche. The 375 and 416 Rugers are amazing cartridges that greatly improve on past ones. But a majority are trying to get in on whatever the trend is, like 6.8 calibers, 6.5 calibers, high twist rates.....they're all fads that have been tried and tested to death.

[@Eric--zs6um]

Yep

[@LameWolff]

I'd say it's closer to 90 or 95%.

[@debi5292]

How many different shape and size brass bottles do we need to burn gun powder in anyway? This new crap is just getting over the top. Desperation to sell now rifles.

[@jesusisalive3227]

I suppose you all drive model T's also.

[@thomasking4136]

Concur with those that conclude the 270 is all you need. Price, availability and performance grants 270 the nod.

[@EternalClimb]

What we really need is rifle makers to simply start updating twist rates. Literally every new cartridge has been "exactly the same as the 20th century version but in fast twist"! 😑

[@garyfrancis-ns3kq]

A different twist for sure, I'm wondering if my .270 Win. could shoot the bullets for the 6.8?

[@vikingsoftpaw]

​@@garyfrancis-ns3kq for what it's worth Savage has changed it's barrel twist for the .270 Win.

[@EternalClimb]

The 270 short certainly has more giddy-up than a 270win but same caliber so can certainly fire them as long as twist is fast enough to stabilize it.

[@garyfrancis-ns3kq]

@vikingsoftpaw Left-handed version, Savage. I didn't want to buy a new rifle! Only the right eye is deteriorating to the point that I switch to a left-handed rifle or stop shooting. That was worth the thought!

[@shawnhagen6871]

Browning western x bolt comes with a 1 in 7.5 twist rate

[@brianpeterson5553]

I enjoy my 270 winchester for whitetail deer and harvested my biggest deer yet last month here in ND. I remember when the short mag cartridges were becoming popular but never actually got one because of my love for the 270 win. Same with the 6.8 western. Maybe one day I'll give them a try, but I'd have a hard time reaching into the gunsafe and grabbing anything other than my old 270 win. Just my personal opinion of course

[@deanhoward4128]

Thank you for this video! I don't have the money,time & energy to do all these ballistics charts & testing you do! You provide a lot of us with information that no other channel does, including my 84 year old former Marine, uncle that still hunts deer in Texas & N.M. So now I know that a poor boy like me will just keep my .308 & 30-06 for my targets & hunting!& my trusty old model 94 Winchester 30-30. Thanks for the great videos! Keep up the great work, God bless you& Happy Trails!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@rallysharkzone2946]

Hornady is doing everything it can to kill the 6.8 Western, because it is a competitor to the 7PRC. Because of that, most of your factory load options are Winchester based... Winchester isn't known for their awesome factory loading consistency or quality. The 6.8 western is an incredibly efficient cartridge, and turns into a real beast with hand loads. It does what it does with the lower recoil than comparable cartridges and with a short action. It really is a very good round, but the factory ammo options are letting it down for sure. I don't own a 6.8, but just wanted to throw that info out there. I have a 7 rem mag that works just fine for my uses.

[@NuManXplore]

Wow... could winchester actually be purposely loading lame loads for the 6.8??

[@texpatriot8462]

The 6.5 PRC doesn't fit in a short action if you really want to use it to its full potential. The 6.8 W is undeniably better and fits in a short action just fine.

[@texpatriot8462]

@@NuManXplore I picked up boxes of every ammo they offer. With my Browning X Bolt, the velocities I got were almost exactly what was promised. Unlike @hornady, they aren't selling ammo with velocities that are wrong because they cannot get reloader 26. I think Winchester's ammo covers a wide ranging array of bullets. I have not had a chance to do enough accuracy testing yet (my gun broke an extractor and Browning is fixing it) but the Factory 175g TGK seems the likely winner for my gun. I am about to start working on a lower recoil (130-140g bullets) load for my daughter.

[@mountedpatrolman]

I'd much rather have a 6.8 Western over 7prc. There are better choices in a long action, and you're getting very close to 7PRC performance in a short action. Plus your pushing heavier bullets at the same velocity and drop as 6.5PRC. 6.8W just makes the most sense to me for long range.

[@knotengajin7359]

I bought a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 270 WSM back when the round first came out. I’ve got zero complaints about accuracy, reliability, or performance. Unfortunately, the fad didn’t really last making ammo difficult to find and very expensive for moderate performance enhancement over the standard 270.

[@jaydunbar7538]

The wsm line didnt have a fad issue, it had legal issues. Winchester was sued and lost for stealing the case design from a guy who had offered to sell them the design, so there is a huge royalty attached to anything Winchester does with a WSM now making them only support is as much as required. Which is unfortunate because they are excellent cartridges.

[@locomike102]

All these "new" cartridges are just a ploy to get folks to buy new rifles. That's it. They are simply marketing tools. And that Backfire guy will have 8 videos up this month about them.

[@Drgunzo616]

People with more money than sense. Personally that guy creeps me out. I gave up on his videos.

[@PassivePortfolios]

The industry should concentrate on making better quality and more accurate rifles rather than adding new cartridges which have a lot of performance overlap with the classic popular rounds.

[@Drgunzo616]

@@PassivePortfolios .30 super carry, .17wsm, .21 sharp. They come up with this crap and then nobody makes firearms for it, so nobody makes the ammo anymore.

[@PassivePortfolios]

@@Drgunzo616 Well said. That's why I stick with commonly available calibers.

[@TheTonygong]

I like my 6.8 Western.. I didn't get it to replace other rifles, just to be my one rifle that does everything. Living in Utah, it is a great fit for what I do.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I need to get a browning

[@TheTonygong]

You can get some smoking deals on them here in Utah. Not sure if you would want to fly home with 2 rifles 😂

[@ca2129]

I like the 6.8 but wish it came in bolt action with express iron sights.

[@OutdoorBoys.308]

My browning long-range shoots .25-.5 groups at 100 yards with 162gr copper impacts and 175gr Sierra game Kings

[@portermcmichael756]

@@WHOTEEWHOI have the x bolt pro in 6.8w. Love it for high mountain backpack hunting!

[@mikewebb8456]

👍WTW. I'll keep my old school calibers !

[@WHOTEEWHO]

👍👍

[@gregkerr725]

Hey, I'm with you.........but the manufacturers will follow what the new generations are excited about and if we are blessed to live a long life they will eventually quit making ammo for our old school guns...and when we pass on to our reward our kids may hang them on the wall, but won't be able to shoot what will be perfectly workable firearms which have become obsolete due to ammo no longer being manufactured.

[@coldsmoker9387]

Show me a round that outperforms my 300 Weatherby by any real margin and I'll switch from running a half century old cartridge lol

[@jaydunbar7538]

All 3 in the video are the same caliber so...

[@scottwinkle5503]

Thanks for the great video. I will just stay with the tried and true 270 Win.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Good choice!

[@chriscurtis7723]

Old guy with the Belt Buckle here again. I have been shooting Whitetails for close to 40 years with my trusty Ruger M77 in 270 Win., Data doesn't lie and that is a good thing. I like speed too, and the 270 has enough speed and energy that I have never had a Whitey get up and argue the point with me, and I will never take a shot at 500 yards, the farthest I have ever shot a deer is 330 yards and in. You are correct mine loves 130 grainers. Another great video my friend, keep them coming.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@RayGraham-w2v]

I would stay with the 270 win. Just a good all around caliber. I am really enjoying these data driven shows a lot. Thanks

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate the watch!

[@unbalancedredneck5778]

Inside typical hunting ranges the 270 is plenty. The 270 wsm is a fantastic cartridge. It fell out of favor quickly because of some patten legal issues that Winchester got into. Instead of fighting it they just dropped it. The 6.8 western is simply the 270 wsm with the shoulder pushed back and put in a rifle with a faster twist to use higher bc bullets. If I were buying a new rifle I’d opt for the 6.8 due to availability and wind drift.

[@michaelhennegan9637]

They didn’t fight it because they were as wrong as could be. They stole all the short mag designs from Rick Jameson.

[@unbalancedredneck5778]

@ Agreed, they didn’t fight it because they knew they would lose.

[@WesternReloader]

I never had a bolt rifle . While I waited to have enough money to buy a decent one, I watched lots of videos, chose a browning x bolt max long range in 6.8 western. 26” heavy-ish fluted barrel, it’s a nice setup. Handloading three projectiles, 165 ablr, 170 eol, and 175 stgk. It’s good for me.

[@mikemelina7395]

Take a look at the bullet weights WTW, the 6.8W was designed off of the 270wsm case for heavy for caliber bullets, shot through a fast twist barrel. All three cartridges beat out the 6.5cm and 6.5prc. What all three convince me of is that the 30-06 really is the only cartridge you need for hunting medium/big game inside 500yds.

[@jaydunbar7538]

Nah at 500 there is plenty of difference in in drop and drift to want a better cartridge for it. Dont get me wrong I'm not saying the 30-06 wont do it, but you can increase margin of error significantly by switching to a 300wsm, 300win mag, 300 prc or many others.

[@davidheath2427]

Small incremental improvements just to keep sales happening. If you have a 308, you don't need a 6.5 creedmore. If you have a 6.5x55,in a post 2000 action you don't need a creedmore or 6.5prc it sits right in the middle . You all get what I'm saying .

[@anthonykaiser974]

Post 2000? Did you mean post-1898 (using good steel)?

[@camwinston5248]

I am picking up...what you're laying down. Correct.

[@davidheath2427]

@anthonykaiser974 yeah just prefer better steel . I was going to say post 1960 . Have loaded up old mausers above where they should be . Had a husvana i used to run 140's at 3100 fps . But still not wise .

[@Dakotakid-e2g]

Love your video on the 270WSM. 20 yrs. Ago bought 270wsm, 7WSM, for my sons. 300wsm for myself. Efficient non belted magnums. Biggest drawback is ammo available. Especially for 7WSM. Reloading a must.

[@geraldmills7884]

I've hunted deer with my 270WSM for years. It's always done the job. But, you just gave me an idea for a possible great load, since I handload. The 150gr accubond long range. You gave the data on the 270, but I think it would work great in the WSM. I'll be giving that a try. Thanks.

[@NC-xk1eg]

These are ALL great cartridges. I love a .270 but the WSM is teasing & tempting me. As Barney Rubble would say, I'm wich you Fred", in that I have no need for subsonic anything. A good talk Adam. 👍 Merry Christmas All.

[@blakebabcock7726]

I'll stick to the ol' reliable calibers with easy to find ammo. The only reason I got a 350 legend is because it's a legal rifle caliber for deer on public land here, an affordable rifle and doesn't carry far otherwise I'd have gone with a 308 although I still use my slug gun for heavy brush areas. Great video as always, brother. Good luck with the Gundies.

[@scottkese8503]

I love my 270WSM just tough finding ammo at times. 270 ammo is far more readily available.

[@warblerblue]

"Another New Cartridge We Didn't Need..." sung to the tune of "We don't need another hero."

[@mattpeacock5208]

"Might as well stick with .270". That's a common thread I've been hearing. Maybe I don't need these new fangled ways if I got a .270, I'm solid. Said anyone with a brain!

[@lordofmoose-w5i]

I agree with your findings 100% ! Having defended my purchase and handholding the 270 WBY mag, I ultimately concluded I coulda just bought a 7mm Rem mag, 175 grains at 2900 fps, and shot factory loads all along. But where's the fun in that?

[@lordofmoose-w5i]

Handloading not handholding !

[@jmc041071]

Love that you are deep diving into these 3. My two favorite size projectiles are those in .277 and .284. Since I have a .270 Win, I probably won't get anything else in that size, only because I can't afford to just go by rifles, but I do like all the information and can't wait for more of your videos on these!

[@Accuracy1st]

270 Win, 24" barrel, 10 twist, Barnes 129 LRX and 130 TTSX, 136 Federal TL (predecessor to the terminal ascent but appears to be same bullet just renamed), 59.5 grains Superformance, Winchester brass, Federal 210 match primer - 3325fps avg in 7 rifles using Broughton, Hart, Lilja, Krieger barrels and 3230 fps in factory 22" Tikka barrels. (no need for a 270 WSM) 270-7PRC, 24" barrel, 8 twist 4 groove cut-rifled, Berger 170 EOL, Nosler 165 ABLR, Federal 215 match primer, 72.0 Retumbo, ADG 7PRC brass necked down for 0.277, 3210 and 3250 fps respectively. (no need for a 6.8 Western when you can get ADG, Norma, Peterson, Federal brass in 7PRC and convert to 270-7PRC). When deer season is over, going to revisit VVN570 and start testing GRAND.

[@Manbunmen65]

If you want a short action all that data is meaningless. Something some guys never think of.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@Manbunmen65 I don't want, nor have ever I wanted a short action magnum. I thought about it for years. I did purchase my first 300WSM in late 2022 or early 2023. A Tikka T3x. Immediately changed out the bolt stop to long action and got a long action mag for it. Reamed it with my 300WSM-long reamer and never looked back. All of my data is extremely useful to me

[@LeoBaker-ir3vo]

This is the kind of video that I value the most. Who-tee saves me all kind of money. Where else can you get this data free?

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@Thousand_yard_King]

It's really hard to beat the old cartridges, the guys who made them knew what they were doing, they fought two wars and won with them WW1 & 2, 30-06, 270 Winchester etc.. . Every deer I've ever taken was with one of the two cartridges. Even though I have many others, most of them were outside the range of what the other cartridges could do..

[@MorrisOutdoors98]

6.8 western is a optimized case and twist rate

[@rogerw71]

You should include wind drift in your charts. Drop is predictable, but wind isn’t. I think you may find that the higher BC numbers make a difference at even the shorter distances. 400 yards in a 15-20 mph range can be tough, as it might not be consistent over the full range and might be gusting. Better BC might make the difference between a good shot and a gut shot. You would have to run the calculations to see if that’s true in these cartridges.

[@TheGeneral308]

I would have like to have seen the wind drift as well

[@bubbajones5905]

The 6.8 was desighned with and made with a fast twist so it can use high B.C. bullets

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup

[@True70woodsman]

Took my widest buck Tuesday with the old outdated 270 Winchester. 130 Federal fusion Dropped him like a sack of taters. 120 yards. Not a long shot but u can’t ask for better results.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Awesome!

[@hawkuser604]

This is why we have ammo shortages and a box of common ammo is over $40!! They keep inventing new cartridges that we don't need and people keep buying them and wonder why everything is so expensive. We do not need 5 different cartridges in the same caliber that are almost identical. The average Joe is not ever going to shoot past 300 yards and if he does, he will probably miss anyway. No matter how much of a "sniper" they think they are.

[@nathan8418]

It's odd. These new cartridges have the same powder capacity as the old ones, same amount of lead and copper, but ammo costs 30% more for them.

[@hawkuser604]

@@nathan8418 Marketing at its finest. Sell more guns in different calibers, sell more cartridges in weird new calibers, reduce the amount of bullets and brass and primers.... increase cost of all ammo!!! Perfect!! Not to mention if you compare the way old school ammo was loaded back 20 years ago to now, they have weakened it. I tested Remington 158 JSP 357 Magnum from 1977 out of my Dads 6 in S&W that he bought with the gun and it was 200 FPS faster than brand new of the same. Same with my 243 Win... 1988 100gr remington was 150 fps faster than brand new of the same. Just start hand loading old calibers for the best performance.

[@troyspurling1910]

My Ruger M77 in 270 Win is all I've ever needed. I have others like 30-06, 308 and 7mm-08, but my 270 is the anything, anytime, anywhere rifle in my toolbox

[@MatthewSmith-vk4ts]

Range of a shot on an animal depends on accuracy. Once a rifle group goes over an inch it calls into question shot placement. For example if you are aiming for a brain shot or heart you really need the one inch group. I think to work out these cartridges it would take hand-loading. Like what is the case capacity for each, and what powder can be accessed to take advantage of the case? If the 6.8 has the shortest shoulder, but the heaviest projectiles, this skews the results. An enthusiast could get a 270win or 270wsm and put a fast twist barrel on which would improve the long range potential of the rifles with heavier projectiles. Then it would be a fair test.

[@rickywilson2983]

I have a great reload for the 270 wsm. Have takin mule deer and Elk. I was born in New Mexico. I live in Tennessee now.

[@Tavioakakilla]

I would love to see you data. I love my 270wsm

[@couespursuit7350]

270 WIN Hornady 140SST Superformance ammo, 3190 fps MV out of my 24" Lilja barrel. It has been a hammer on deer for decades on my hunts.

[@PassivePortfolios]

The problem is buying a rifle in some new or obscure cartridge which never becomes popular. Then the cost of the ammo and scarcity will eat your wallet and/or you will have to reload, which will not necessarily save you money either, compared to buying popular rounds like the 270 from big box stores. This is why the 270 and 30-06 are the two most popular cartridges in South Dakota and Wyoming, followed by the 7 mm mag. according to the local gun shops and guides.

[@MitchJones-r4g]

Gotta remember that the 6.8 Western's parent cartridge is the .270wsm. The .270wsm came out to give you more speed. I believe before all of the AI cartridges. The advantage of the 6.8 Western is the same advantage as the 6.5 cm. The shoulder is pushed back and it allows the use of longer more BC bullets. Only problem is there is only 2 brands of factory offerings. More offerings in the .270wsm. Plus the 6.8 Western shoots the same diameter bullet as the .270/.270wsm. Looking forward to seeing the accuracy comparisons.

[@FightinWinchukian-i1x]

Ackley Improved cartridges have been around for at least seventy years. Roy Weatherby was doing a little experimenting back then too.

[@johnfritz2993]

I own 2 6.8 westerns, one xpr and an x-bolt. Both have taken elk. The 175 grain Sierra is a heck of a pill. I personally like having the option for heavy for caliber projectiles. You can hand load 130 and 140 grain then get some insane speeds.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I need to get a browning

[@vikingsoftpaw]

​@@WHOTEEWHOThere is something about those Stainless Stalkers.

[@Tavioakakilla]

Will it be faster than wsm?

[@VroomNBoom]

@@Tavioakakilla yes its actually pushing those heavy for caliber bullets at what the short mag shoots 150gr bullets

[@johnfritz2993]

@Tavioakakilla according to hodgdon up to 3261 fps with a 140 grain. Idk if that's a real number. I loaded a 170 grain with Retumbo, with a middle charge and passed their max load by 14fps

[@Parabellum8]

I don't have any of these but like the comparison. It would be interesting to see what 6.8 could do with something around 150gr too. Probably have to be a hand load.

[@stevenmitchell6347]

Many of the new cartridges being developed are being developed for AR platforms, be it AR-15 or AR-10/LR308. Magazine fit is the major limiting factor, hence the shorter, fatter cartridges. 6.5 Creedmore for the big AR, 6.5 Grendel for the small one are typical examples. Personally, I prefer the 7mm-08 in the AR-10/LR308 platform.

[@FightinWinchukian-i1x]

7-08 is just a hell of a round. ballistic twin to the 7x57 Mauser which was and is quite the game getter in factory loadings. really the best of the .308 cartridges. I swear I don't know why I never got one. they finally are showing up on the shelves at Bi-mart In town where I live.

[@Wheelchair-bear]

I like speed as well, I have four .277's - a 270 WIN, 270 WBY, 270 WSM and a 6.8 western, the Weatherby is the fastest and flattest

[@Miguelneyney]

Great video!! I have both the 270win and 6.8 western. The reason i got the 6.8 western was for Elk hunting and it performs awesome out to 500 yards with the ABLR’s. Shot the 175 grains sierra game king bullets and is also good but my rifle likes the ABLR better.

[@donmiller2246]

I built myself a custom 270 win (gunsmith) I used a custom 1in 9 twist barrel of 26 inch’s it shoots 165 and 170 gr bullets into 1/4 inch at 2850 with mag pro powder and 150 ablr at 3050 fps 130s at 3250 which is precisely 100 fps better than my 24 inch barrel 270 the 270 wsm and western really do not better this enough to even discuss. It is however a 9.5 lbs rifle. Love your posts keep up the great work

[@cjberan]

Faster twist is key to the improved performance we get with the new cartridges. What would a 136 grain 6.8 western look like in performance better or worse then the 270wsm?

[@Tavioakakilla]

Now that's a good question 🤔

[@RicClairday]

I look for either the 270wsm or 6.8 western to disappear in the next 10 years. It's not impossible that they both disappear.

[@joztunes69]

I'll stick with the 270 win it has more ammo availability over here in ND

[@jesusisalive3227]

Every new cartridge is an opportunity. Dont be one of those guys that never wants anything new.

[@jimyocum9556]

Something new is one thing watering it down with minimum difference is ridiculous and a money grab that hurts everyone in the end

[@redguidetogame9063]

Now that was informative Whotee. The rate of twist with heavy for caliber info is the relevant factor. I would like to see the wind drift comparison man.

[@maximpestsolutions3696]

Thanks for the Informative Video Adam 👌. The Chart you have are excellent 👌. Cheers 🙏🇨🇦✝️

[@benberger2405]

I’m old and keep saying no more guns haven’t been batting 100% with that yet but this time I’m serious. I truly enjoy hunting and I speak of the total experience but seasons come but once a year and most are short so my current focus is to upgrade my reloading toys and optics learn how to shoot consistently and then reach out and touch things far far away . I started with lots of zoomies added to my father’s model 80 marlin .22 l may have purchased another.308 and scope and may get more zoomies for my Browning BLR 7mm rem mag. To date l have made some headway with the .22 but haven’t perfected my perfect load for the .308 and have not even started on the 7mm. I may die before I make a 1000 yards but I am living learning and enjoying every moment. I will never perfect the use of the toys I already have, never realize their full potential and never convince myself that a new toy won’t fix all that ails. Such is the circle of life and thankyou thank you thankyou for letting me live it.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@kennylowe9404]

I have a Remington SPS .270wsm and found that the Federal Premium Nosler Ballistic tip groups the best for my rifle. I definitely found that my rifle was very finicky when it comes to which brand it likes. I also added a limb saver to the barrel about 1” from the stock and was surprised how much it actually improved my grouping!Unfortunately FP discontinued the .270wsm Nosler ballistic tip from their line up!😤

[@tonythorson1641]

For just deer hunting I have to stick with the good ole 270 win, just so much more readily available. The 270 wsm had a tough time getting start, I can’t remember the exact reason, but an event of some sort made it not super popular. The 6.8 western was basically Winchesters attempt to revive the wsm and modernize it with the twist rate change. I’d be interested in seeing if they can make a 150 grain load in 6.8 western, if it can be stabilized I think the numbers on that could be somewhat impressive. Also if the 6.8 western is gonna survive it needs to be adopted by more ammo manufacturers.

[@raywells2858]

There are a lot of cartridges today that are little more than old standbys with slightly different packaging that offer very little if anything over cartridges we have had for a few decades already.

[@denniswiemer72]

Had the same rifle in 30-06. Excellent shooter, well made. Gave it to a very good friend. Good luck.

[@snakemanwilliams7231]

I’m a 270 Win fan, have many other calibers and hunt with them depending on the game. My family has taken more deer with the 270 Win than any other caliber in our collection, bonus is you can get ammo anywhere in North America easily. BTW accuracy is fantastic as well!

[@TheCodyO]

If you are dealing with a gusty day 6.8 Western will be even that much better :)

[@scottsozmtns7534]

Loved it so much after my Rem Model 7 .260, I bought a Savage Model 10 Predator Max V-1 & final purchase was a Tikka-T3 .260 “Forrest” Model & very smooth!

[@ihredrules1855]

I’m a 6.8 western fan boy. Is it far superior to other .270 cartridges, no; was it needed, absolutely yes!!! I live in South Dakota and just knowing I will have more energy at longer ranges convinced me to switch from 30-06 to the 6.8.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I gotta get another

[@JerryRedd-bs8xi]

Learn to stalk and be a Real hunter get close before shooting

[@anthonyjbargeman5280]

I wish I never got rid of my .270 in Winchester mod 70. I kick myself often over that bad decision

[@dougrybarczyk4449]

Is the feeding corrected for 270WSM? Have other companies adopted the 6.8 western? Does the 270 have the power to succeed if re-barreled with a faster twist?

[@IamONaLIST]

A couple of thoughts. 1. I am guessing the wind drift on the 6.8 is a bit better than the others. 2. Accuracy is these new cartridges (depending on rifle) seems to be better with factory ammo than some of the older cartridges. 3. Yeah if you have the 270 or other older cartridges there isn't a need to buy a new rifle. But for someone looking to get into long range shooting, hunting out west, or a new shoot in general, going with a newer cartridgenmay not be a bad idea.

[@yabba5696]

Hey brother, really looking forward to your outlier barrel video. I actually ordered one myself but they don't have a lot of videos online showing the true capabilities of the barrel with factory ammunition or anything like that. The only thing I've been able to find is one guy with one set of hand loads shooting through the barrel, so your video will be very useful in that aspect of it

[@WHOTEEWHO]

It’s coming soon!

[@lrlapua8035]

6.8 Western

[@kevinfidler8074]

I'm guessing 6.8 western, since it's nearly the same as 270 wsm.

[@mrcnorth7149]

The no new caliber rule is still in effect for me. But you enjoy those new rifles. I will enjoy watching

[@gunman-6646]

Nothing beats the old tried and true calibers.

[@KathrynLiz1]

Jack O'Connor knew what he was doing.... for all practical purposes under 500 yards or so, why bother with the 'magnums"...? Most 'new' rounds are marketing exercises. Nothing invented after 1970 is "new" at all really.... It's just a way to get people to buy more rifles and expensive ammo. I would posit that the WSM would surpass the 6.8 with heavier bullets....twist rate is the factor here.... but again why bother? Come to that, with modern rangefinders a flat trajectory is not as important as it was, so a 270 or a 308 (or perhaps a 7mm/08) will do everything you need.

[@scottcooksey5284]

Roy Weatherby knew what he was doing also. The .270 win. has wounded a lot of animals throughout the years.

[@Eric--zs6um]

Just like phones

[@KathrynLiz1]

@@scottcooksey5284 So has the 300 Weatherby... placement is a lot more important than power... 1000ftlb is enough if you put it in the right spot, and if you can't then don't take the shot.

[@tbjtbj4786]

Its supposed to be closer to the 270 Weatherby than to the 270 winchester

[@jesseshulaw]

Great video who too who. I’m also glad you mentioned barrel twist for bullet weights.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@ronsmith7739]

My favorite is the 35 Whelen based on the 30-06, it was developed in the 1920's.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I like the 35

[@stevemize8039]

Thanks for all the effort that you put into your videos. Another good one. Been thinking about getting a 270 or 7mm for a couple years. Leaning towards 270.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@michaelJ415]

270, 270 wsm, out west flat,wide open ranges,👍🏻ammo is $$$ Northeast,East coast not needed, much better options Merry Christmas 🎄

[@donspears6557]

Neither of the 270's posted have bullet weights above 150 grain, whereas the 6.8 western are in the 168 - 170's.

[@mikecrotts3943]

I bought a Tikka in 270wsm because it approached 270 wby speeds with 10 - 20 grains less powder. I should have looked at ammo availability before.... good thing I am a reloader and found some Norma brass... I am having fun with it.. If firearm manufacturers would just update the twist rates of older cartridges it would make the decision to go with a new cartridge harder.

[@dalecarter5313]

Here in just a couple years people will be talking about the new Sig 277 fury (6.8X51) in this same debate. Reinventing the wheel never ends.

[@tomhall4266]

Realistically, there are probably only about 7 or 8 rifle calibers and 5 or 6 handgun calibers needed. The rest are foofaraw. A lot of fuss over a few F.P.S. or less kick. Think how cheap ammo would be if all calibers were standardized in just a few choices.

[@danblumel]

The best would be 270 wsm with a custom 8:1 twist barrel to use the higher BC bullets used in the 6.8 Western and reloaded, obviously not factory ammo. This would be my choice but went with 6.5 PRC instead and reload too.

[@larryalexander4833]

A blessed and Merry Christmas to everyone ✝️🙏

[@MisterBrewer]

Yup and that's why I just bought a 270 WSM. I wanted just about the flattest thing out there.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Nice

[@hunt1198]

I went with the 6.5-300 weatherby mag. To have the fastest and flattest built out

[@MisterBrewer]

@hunt1198 Yup I think that one beats the 270 WSM. But I also wanted mine in a Tikka T3x..

[@Tavioakakilla]

​@@hunt1198im not sure but the 30-378 is a bad boy...

[@jeremymyers5643]

​@@hunt1198 is it? Does it beat a 7mm RUM. ?

[@timothykeebaugh2472]

Love the video should have done a wind drift chart i would bet the 6.8 out performs othe 2 easily. It was developed for long range hunting out west hence the name 6.8 western. In my opinion energy and wind drift is more critical for long range hunting than drop because drop is a constant if you know your load and velocities. The wind and person shooting is what in my opinion causes most misses at long range than drop if your load is as consistent as you can make it. Hand loading is the best way for consistent loads in my opinion also. Would not recommend people long range hunting with factory ammo. Just my opinion all.

[@georgemannsr8708]

Merry Christmas and may the Good Lord Bless and Keep you and yours safe !

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Merry Christmas!

[@awwwshucks443]

I'm really happy with my 6.8 Western. I get half minute groups with my xbolt 2 speed spr. Awesome with a suppressor. The biggest advantage the 68 has over the wsm is you have better sectional density. Assuming the bullets are equally tough will give you better penetration.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I need a 6.8 x bolt

[@brandonjett16]

Reloaders special and barrel lenght is key to get better velocities for both 6.8 western and the 270wsm 26 inch barrel is key and testing powders and seating depths find good brass to take the pressure and watch for pressure signs

[@citomp1240]

6.8 was specifically designed for more energy at longer range. But that is accomplished by the heaviest bullet of the 3. The trade off is heavier bullet more drop.

[@robertbroxson4582]

I really enjoy your videos and content. Thank you for all you do and I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Merry Christmas!

[@NuManXplore]

Looking forward to those 270 short mag vids. I was looking into getting a one, but ammo is hard(er) to find, more expensive and in my research it "seemed" it was just like a small step-up from a 30.06 (which I already own 2 of).

[@johnfitzgerald6510]

My guess from the picture it is the 22 ARC which I have interest in.

[@marcusbuckslayer3280]

270 win is great, 270 wsm is even better! But it's my understanding that the 270 wsm was patented, and there was some issue with manufacturers producing the cartridge. Not sure on the details. Maybe the reason for the 6.8? Maybe 6.8 better for long range hunting due to the longer bullet and twist? I love my 270 wsm for whitetail.

[@techfixr2012]

I would like to see the .338's and .358's compared. .338 Federal, .338 win mag , then the .35 whelen, .358 Winchester and 1 each of both calibers of your choosing to do more 3 cartridge comparisons.

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

If you want more energy down range, and less wind drift a heavy high bc bullet bleeds off far less energy. Modern chambers with the proper freebore length, clearances and lead angle make for more rifles than can shoot them more accurately. Also, ditching a pointless belt is always a good idea. I also have to ask, how many gun manufacturers would be in business and how many choices would we have in powders and bullets if everyone was shooting the 7.5 Swiss, which is the original “modern cartridge “

[@bugle247]

270 ammo is way easier to find. The others are not! Good movie

[@cheryltysver4819]

How in the heck do you manage to do all you do for the channel and still have a life! Hope that you have a Merry Christmas WTW!

[@catlinjack2764]

I had a browning BAR in 270 wsm. I loved the performance but i couldn’t get that thing to group any better then 4” at 100 yards. Tried 2 different scopes and 4 different loads. All the same. Tried everything. Sold it and bought a tikka veil in 7rem mag. 5/8 groups at 100 yards ya just can’t beat it. Although he browning was way more comfortable to shoot. Tikka needs a re design on their stocks

[@Mark-Marine]

Reinventing the wheel. I’m content rolling along with more conventional chamberings. Why? Because I’m not sniping anymore and I don’t live out west.

[@albertjabberin739]

The 270 wsm is a good cartridge, kind of similar to the 6.5 rpm. Looks like plenty of ammo for it unlike 6.8 western. I’m more of a long action fan myself, though and I love .270. I’d like to see a 270 wby rpm, something that can do 7mm prc or rem mag numbers in a light wby rifle. Weatherby shows their 6.5 rpm 140gr accubonds beating 270 wsm and 7mm rem mag 140 grainers, so it’s still a bad boy.