Liquidlogic Party Braaap "On Water Review"

[@austinshellhammer5645]

This is my daily driver right now, it is an incredible boat! It’s like a sporty creeker! It launches off of everything! Once you get that balance point it is incredibly stable!

[@ProffesorChaosesFile]

I learned in the party braap this summer, and now that winter is here it is my creeker, I feel much more comfortable in it than my phantom.

[@austinshellhammer5645]

@@ProffesorChaosesFile it gets you dialed in! I feel very confident in it!

[@ProffesorChaosesFile]

@@austinshellhammer5645 just got my first north chick lap in, In the braaap. Seriously might sell the phantom

[@thomasdoll7446]

@austinshellhammer I’ve only paddled one once what do you mean by balance point - you meant seating in terms of the kick rocker it helps with the kayaks lateral stability? I’ve always been recommended one of these but I always felt squirrely…

[@shaun5893]

Man, Wade you nailed the magic of the P. Braaap in your vid. P. Braaap has been my favorite boat for the last 2.5 years now. Paddled an Axiom 8.5 for a couple years before that, and just recently picked up a Rewind M. The Braaap just has a fluid feel on the water and handles everything from big water to rock-contact-creeking with ease. Agree that the Rewind is more of a playful stern and that is also its downfall for making it an all-arounder for me. That wide-thin-flat stern shape has resulted in more than a few back-enders where the P. Braaap would have released and not went totally over backwards due to the narrower stern deck with more volume and less flat surface area to catch the flow. Been going back and forth between the two for a few months and like both, but if I had to sell one, I would keep the P. Braaap 100%. Gonna be a classic for decades I think.

[@WadeHarrison]

Nice feedback buddy thanks for watching!

[@Matt_Witt]

I agree I had a rewind for about a year and a half and now I'm on to the party braap now. I love both in different ways but I do prefer the party braap for the green so far. I'll miss the rewind on steep rivers like the Cheoah, pigeon dries, and Russell fork. I guess it comes down to personal preference and displacement vs. planing. Both squirt and splat really well.

[@joshhughes1319]

Watched a lot of your videos. Always great and informative. Only suggestion would be maybe say what river you are on because they often look like good ones but have no idea where they are. Thanks for all the info! I’m sure takes a lot of time and effort so appreciate it!

[@WadeHarrison]

I usually try to do that I did I’m few others I will keep that in mind. And this is the Chattooga River section 4 in GA

[@jeffbrosi2538]

Thanks for this review Wade! I have had some struggles when I first got this boat...I’ve run some sweet lines, and had my fair share of beat downs. Glad to hear your thoughts on it.

[@WadeHarrison]

Hey thanks for watching was there anything you agreed with or disagree with what you thoughts on the boat

[@jeffbrosi2538]

@@WadeHarrison I agree with everything you’ve said. I agree with the boat being squirrely, and lacking primary stability...I’ve found that it is happiest when on edge (definitely not a floater)

[@peterryan8452]

In the initial discussion you explain how the Party Braaap is a ‘sandbagged’ Braaap, and you say something like “…Braaap, which is ridiculous, I don’t think there is a place for the Braaap for me…”, could you please expand on that? I own a Braaap, but am on the fence about it. I’m a river runner predominantly, not a play boater. Also, thank you for all your reviews, Wade.

[@WadeHarrison]

Good question the party version is like a perfect mix of a river runner with a ability to stern turn and splat but not so low volume that it’s a totally different boat that tail loads everywhere the braaap was already really good the party version just makes it that much better in my opinion so if had to choose I would go party version

[@peterryan8452]

@@WadeHarrison ​ Thank you, sir. As I understand your replay, you prefer the P Braaap bc it enhanced your ability to stern turn and spat over the original w/out diminishing its river runner qualities or causing it to tail load always?

[@williamdion7331]

How does this boat surf ? :) Would like to get one for all around fun in the summer. Thx !

[@WadeHarrison]

It surf really good

[@Theweekenders07]

I paddle a party braaap and love that thing and I’m only like 135😂 I got my seat like alllll the way back, Throwing it down is not easy at all. Plus I heard a lot of folk doesn’t like the displacement hull on it but like you kind of get used to it over time. Dude!! You gotta try out the mullet it’s a very interesting boat, I paddled one of my friend the other day and it was something else, it is a different beast.

[@WadeHarrison]

I did paddle one last year It was very interesting feeling boat but I would not own one of those I would take the party braap all day over it and LL just discontinued it from the line up

[@AdamDavisKayak]

Seekers, I just bought a mullet myself only because I’m right on the end of the weight range for the braaap. I love everything about it and was very surprised at how little of current it takes to get it vertical. As for holding it there, I’m not so sure of yet considering I just started doing tailee’s so I’m not quite there in skill yet

[@milllworks]

What is it about the normal braaap you have issues with, that are somehow solved with the p. braaap?

[@WadeHarrison]

The lower volume tail gives you at least some play option. And paddling down river and off drops it’s gives you more ability to load the low volume stern to get over things. All that is not there in the Reg braaap

[@milllworks]

Wade Harrison thanks for the feedback. I’m on the waiting list for the alpha 75 and find your reviews to be the best out there. Your on the water and walk around reviews both. Thanks for all you postings. Most informative for those of not necessarily near enough to a shop to do regular demos.

[@Helgemrt]

Good review! I have a normal Braaap that I am considering squishing the stern of and turning it into a party.. What do you think? Worth it or too risky to weaken the hull?

[@WadeHarrison]

Personally I would try to sell it and just start fresh with a party braap if you really like the design because cooling the plastic right out the oven is the way to go but it’s not that difficult to squash one

[@ravnfreak52]

Can you roll well in this kayak? Thought you would have done a few in the review. Sorry I am a bit new on the scene and looking to upgrade my rec kayak to a white water kayak. Would like to get one that I can keep for 5+ years and one that I can roll easier in if I flip. Also great video and you are a great kayaker! Hope to one day get to your level! Thanks man!

[@WadeHarrison]

Yes this boat rolls very well and it truly is a instant classic

[@ravnfreak52]

@@WadeHarrison Awesome. I was between this and the Homeslice and I know they are very different boats but I ended up going Homeslice. Hope I don't regret my choice haha

[@ronanlanam1127]

What are the pros and cons of not having edges? And What boat would you feel more comfortable running stout shit in the ripper or the p braaap? Sweet video as always. Been noticing an improvements with these videos. They just keep getting better every time! Keep up the good work man!

[@ronanlanam1127]

Also you should think about doing a video about jobs in the ww industry. Like boat design and stuff would be really interesting to hear along with your experiences with it

[@andrewnau433]

Benny Marr, stikine('16?) Braap laps. If you haven't seen the braap in big water you have your chance with that!

[@WadeHarrison]

what these guys said

[@davidpoulin9381]

Do you have the link of that video?! I try find it since a while

[@AndrewMoizer]

Interesting and useful to get your take as always. As I watched this video I was reminded of an RPM (bow, no edges, for example). Not sure if this was a valid comparison in any way? (And then YT had your older video of an RPM run on I think the same river section in the next video suggestions. Spooky!)

[@WadeHarrison]

Yeah the design was taken a lot from the RPM so it’s similar in a few ways just think a river runner RPM with rockered stern and bow volume

[@andrewnau433]

Long live the rpm(it made a cameo in this vid).

[@Ryan-zn8ys]

I love this boat, I paddle it with the seat slightly back from center and it really unlocks the kick rocker, stands right up and is super balanced on stern. Nice to see a proper review, it seems a lot of people paddle it and dislike it at first but once they adjust(the seat or their form) they fall in love. Thanks man!

[@WadeHarrison]

Hey thanks for watching and good feed back

[@billyb3689]

Would be cool to see a Rexy or Party Rexy if you can get them in the states

[@WadeHarrison]

Yeah that’s the exo boat and I’m pretty sure there are none in the USA

[@billyb3689]

@@WadeHarrison seems like boats are diverging, we're all paddling Wakas and Guigui and Zets here. Pyranha are everywhere, some Dagger and Jacksons getting less popular, no LL anymore

[@WadeHarrison]

@@billyb3689 so true I seriously think 2021 would be the year for these smaller guys to ramp up and push for more distribution it’s not like dealers are not wanting more boats right now there’s such a shortage and all those European models look really good I know zet has moved some into Ashville I’m trying to line some demos up with those guys but exo and titan spade ect are non existent here

[@jamesshort6856]

Would love to see you in the titan nymph. Not much info on that boat.

[@WadeHarrison]

Yeah those are no where in the USA that I’m aware of cool looking boat though

[@user-jx5km3tw2z]

Awesome content man as always and super helpful with how you go into the features of the boat especially with how they are made 🤘

[@WadeHarrison]

Thanks buddy

[@andrewnau433]

I thought you were required to rock a mullet to ride in that boat...nothing says southern like full displacement mullet squirts.

[@WadeHarrison]

Hahahaha

[@frogyman1023]

Was kayaking again

[@WadeHarrison]

What river?

[@frogyman1023]

@@WadeHarrison on the Tanna river in kenya that is about the only river i ever paddle but i love this river so much

[@WadeHarrison]

@@frogyman1023 do you have some videos of it I would like to see it

[@l-townboy700]

I think the guys at LL was trying to make the braap a true river runner. Then they were like hey flatten the stern to have more fun aka party braap.

[@WadeHarrison]

Yes the first version was a river runner

[@gpalmer456]

@@WadeHarrison wade, when trying to stern squirt, should I be pulling up with my knees?

[@kellerchaplin5295]

Ok I change my mind... Rewind v.s. Antix v.s. Ripper V.S. Party Braaap

[@WadeHarrison]

Hahaha