Why 10 Tails Madara Sucks - And How To Fix Him

[@DygoKnight]

Can 10 Tails Madara Beat Kaguya?

[@TochiIguh]

No

[@Vanity_715]

Yes if he outsmarts her and uses his cards right

[@TaxFraud081]

yeah

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

@@DygoKnight bro kaguya has 5 IQ. Madara would prob just outsmart her and seal her with an chibaku tensei.

[@DangerZ-zs1fj]

yeah, high diff

[@jassinbarth6375]

Pains abilities honestly felt more godly than anything in the war arc.

[@FrogWalrus]

For sure. Pain gapped others the hardest at that point in the story and inflicted the most destruction to known people and locations. Madara just kills masses of fodder and destroys barren uninhibited lands. It feels soulless.

[@hikarimemeirooficial]

@@jassinbarth6375 Back when Madara Rinnegan was revealed I thought he would use Pain abilities to a greater extent.

[@quentinjones6877]

I think that should've been the pinnacle of power scaling

[@michaeljordan8630]

no they didn’t why are you lying?

[@ayhamahmad2277]

​@@quentinjones6877the saga of the six paths should have been pinnacle of power

[@viqtoh7664]

Black zetsu slowly stabbed Madara, when 1hr ago, Madara dodged Tobirama's flying raijin strike? .... Without any eyes no less

[@RifaeeRasheed]

He had his rinnegan when tobirama approached him

[@zahin1227]

Well considering madara had 100% of his focus and attention to Naruto and saskue and the fact that zetsu has been his companion all his plan he didn’t expect it

[@viqtoh7664]

@@RifaeeRasheed yes you're right

[@animan8192]

He just became so eepy in this one hour, he wanted to go sleepy-sleepy, so he couldn't notice the zetsu 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@nelsonw9483]

Whether he's expecting it or not makes all the difference. Similar to Aizen vs Gin.

[@JDWalker495]

“You cannot take a guy that’s green seriously” Angry Might guy begins booting up eight gate

[@christiannsl14]

Piccolo starts booting up the Special Beam Cannon

[@denitorie3819]

That would only prove the point though since he would be turning red

[@Chriso22]

​​@christiannsl14 yea was gonna say gotta be racist to namkians haha

[@Gilbert_Dice_Gottfried]

I know, what does dygoknight have against green people? Makes me sad

[@World_of_KGZ]

8th gate is RED The fact still stands

[@peculiarityenjoyer2053]

Bro woke up and thought "I HATE GREEEEEN" Don't show a namekian to him😭

[@Salone_FD]

Bro hates vegetables.

[@BikiniLongjarhorn]

Big green

[@wolfofwarframe3807]

Either my colors are deceiving me or he is just colorblind, both Madara and Obito are white in the anime, sometimes specific lighting makes them more green, but they are still considered grey/white.

[@hil449]

@@wolfofwarframe3807 yea, but its the lighting but why tf is there a green light in the middle of the night?

[@chaos_knight_xy]

Madara is probably the most chill person to have a conversation with.

[@-Beliver-Edits-]

Hmm i wonder..

[@wisequigon]

Jigen from Burrito could be another candidate for this

[@chaos_knight_xy]

​@@wisequigon troll!

[@brobladeroblox3100]

Tobi

[@chaos_knight_xy]

@@brobladeroblox3100 Tobi yes, Obito Heck NO he started a war, because his one sided crush died, even years later as a 30 year old, he fantasizes about seeing said 12 year old again. WeeeOOOh that is the sound of the police.

[@lisboah]

15:20 - To be fair, Kaguya might surpass Madara in terms of raw power, but she had absolutely no fighting experience nor knowledge in terms of tactics. She was even distractred by Naruto's Sexy Jutsu.

[@kryzer1754]

Which makes her a even less interesting villain, literally boring.

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

Sexy Harem Jutsu would distract all of us

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

Kaguya was great but she should have been introduced later on, like maybe at the end of Naruto: The Last we see Kaguya’s hand pop out of the moon thereby showing us that Toneri cutting the moon in half had accidentally and unknowingly freed her

[@fyresuki]

"you can't take a green dude seriously" don't disrespect my boi Piccolo like that 😭

[@undeade.t7044]

bro had to change his skin orange to be taken seriously

[@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq]

when is the last time he won a fight seriously i can't remember ?

[@kubanrhs1310]

@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq Kisame clone

[@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq]

@@kubanrhs1310 who?

[@kubanrhs1310]

@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq the fight, dumbass. dang. redo 4th grade.

[@ChromiumCastle]

It feels like you're the only one with a significant voice giving the black zetsu retcon the hate it deserves. It was one of the most offensive things that ever happened in the history of story telling. Godspeed

[@JustAsh001]

Literally what was the point of throwing the best and most hyped villain of your series for a terrible villain with no writing? Lmao atleast my man madara died undefeated in the war arc

[@kubanrhs1310]

ew

[@dralx2042]

The first thing ANYONE should do to fix Juubidara is get rid of Kaguya😤

[@devontewilson791]

naruto is over bro , get over it

[@wisequigon]

and then what? do they live happy until they die?

[@devontewilson791]

@@wisequigon yes

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

I know what you mean madrara was the only good thing in the war arc but even madrara was ruined by the zetsu retcon and kaguya

[@devontewilson791]

@@dytgyfgyffuh243 bro seriously ? why are y'all tryna downplay the war arc as if it isn't a top 3 naruto arc like we had the obito and kakashi backstory with minato ,gai , naruto and sasuke vs obito , sasuke and naruto vs junior

[@Insider887]

Honestly they should've stuck with the old concept of Kaguya being a human princess who became the Ten Tails after eating the chakra fruit and then got sealed into Hagoromo who was also human. The whole alien concept should have remained deep in the trash can together with Boruto.

[@zurakuraworks]

This 🙌 The beauty of simplicity

[@kryzer1754]

💯 This would have saved the war arc and it would have saved us from Borutrash.

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

Yes aline gods and robots ruined naruto

[@jack-noahdedi9299]

But Kishimoto began to see green paper

[@dytgyfgyffuh243]

I think this a problem with all shonen anime is that they don't know how to end their story like bleach had the same problem with ending and death note part 2 of it story was bad like naruto and it ending was bad all shonen authors don't know how to end thier stories

[@Sjono]

“You cannot take a guy who is green seriously” Hulk: “Dafuq you just say?” Piccolo: “Forgive him, he knows not what he speaks.”

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

Piccolo is lame as hell. Other than killing Raditz with Goku's help, Piccolo has no noteworthy feats. Krillin and Tien have done more than Piccolo could ever dream of. And the Hulk isn't an anime or manga character so he doesn't count in this universe. The Piccolo glazing needs to stop

[@Sjono]

@@Christo_Trismegistus Way to throw shade at Toriyama’s favorite character. King Piccolo and Piccolo were the strongest villains in Dragon Ball before Z, and during Z Piccolo played crucial parts in various story plots. It doesn’t matter what medium Hulk is in. A character being green in any medium doesn’t mean you can’t take them seriously

[@hil449]

@@Sjono indeed, piccolo design is awesome

[@AwesomeHairo]

You misused a comma.

[@derekhogan9685]

I’m not a Naruto fan but even I find myself wondering WTF happened. Why do Madara dirty? Why not let him be the final boss he is? Why introduce aliens????

[@DygoKnight]

You and me both... (it was Boruto)

[@jasonone8726]

​@@DygoKnightThe bad ending had nothing to do with Boruto. 😂

[@Thatboiprince]

​@@DygoKnightadult naruto and sasuke stronger than madara

[@Zac_Frost]

@@jasonone8726 The bad ending had everything to do with Burrito. Jump told Kishimoto to introduce a new threat for a sequel follow up.

[@jasonone8726]

@@Zac_Frost But Kishimoto still wrote it the way he did. It's still his fault.

[@dralx2042]

1:47 i have no recollection of this "Otsustuki clan" you speak of 🤔. Must've been a bad dream

[@devontewilson791]

meat riding another man's opinion for validation is crazy , get a mind of your own buddy

[@lara6489]

Another thing that sucks about the Madara fight is that Hagoromo just gives them 6 paths powers. Especially if they’re gained by combining the chakras of the Uchiha and Senju clans. Naruto and Sasuke should have awakened these powers by combining their chakra together mid battle. It would have made much more sense thematically too, working together to awaken the same power that Madara had to “kill” hashirama for. The only issue is that Nauro isn’t part of the senju clan, but you can handwave that away by saying that the uzumaki and senju intermarried when the leaf village was founded. Its a lot less of an asspull than saying naruto is a reincarnation of Ashura.

[@kryzer1754]

You cooked a whole meal ngl 🙌

[@NotMadaraaa]

CooKin

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

So Sarada and Boruto's child will be the strongest Ninja ever because it will have Hyuga, Uchiha and Uzumaki genetics on top of Ohtsutski genetics too

[@wolfofwarframe3807]

Hagoromo didnt just give them power, the reason why he could even appear inside of them because they got both chakras during their death state (Sasuke got Hashirama chakra from Hashirama and maybe from Kabuto when he was reviving him and Naruto got beasts that were given to him by Uchiha Obito).

[@kryzer1754]

@@wolfofwarframe3807 Hagoromo literally gives them a rinnegan, sage of six paths and the sun/moon seals, what are you yapping about? Just because that could be the reason he appears doesn’t mean that he didn’t gave them the powers, otherwise Sasuke would have awaken the rinnegan in both eyes and would be able to deactivated to his normal eye just like Madara.

[@navalidon581]

I literally never even noticed Madara was green. Always just seemed like a weird shade of white. But now I can’t unsee it

[@dawgatemybrain]

-You told me I’d see Rin again! -I said 'Rinnegan'…

[@hxcvocalist]

The sage of sixth path also looked bad if you want my opinion. That shadow silhouette of him looked young and bad ass. What we got just looked old, decrepit and weird.

[@HorribleHorrorMovieReviews]

The shadow sage looked way more intimidating and not to be trifled with. Hagaromo plays the nice old guy to much

[@giannixx]

About the Infinite Tsukuyomi... The parallels with the Matrix are so clear I think it's somewhat intentional. We know Kishimoto consumed and was influenced by Western media. He's a fan of Akira, but also of Star Wars, for example. Now, the "infinite dream" in the Matrix works because the machines produce new Humans via artificial insemination and grow them in those tubs so their energy can be harvested. But if we want to apply this idea to Naruto, then we have a problem. Madara is not going to use his Wood Style to extract and combine people's genetic material, that's a different manga. So what can we do? I like Dygo's suggestion of the Wood Style wrappings being a temporary thing. Maybe we should combine the illusion with temporal dilation aspect of Tsukuyomi with the mind control aspect of Kotoamatsukami. Combine both and we've got the ultimate Genjutsu! My suggestion: Madara shines the moonlight of his eye over the planet and every living being (besides Team 7 + Obito/Zetsu, or at the very least Naruto and Sasuke) falls under the illusion, being drawn into their own world of perfect dreams. Since Madara's chakra is entering their bodies (as with any Genjutsu), their eyes reflect the Rinnegan. He's become and transcended the Sage of Six Paths, he's a god like Kaguya in the past (we keep the Kaguya lore he explained to Hashirama and that Hagoromo explained to Naruto and Sasuke), and the whole world now follows his path (The Inifinite Tsukuyomi is a manifestation of Madara's ninja way, after all). Since the people under the illusion are analogous to the Six Paths of Pain, it means that Madara can control not only their minds, but also their bodies (and presumably also see through their eyes, as an all-seeing god). So either have the Wood Style serve the purpose of seeping everyone's chakra to amp or refill Madara for the big fight that's going to happen and also so that the people themselves help fuel the Genjutsu. Just like Danzou's version of Koto, maybe Madara has to constantly feed his Rinnesharingan to keep the Infinite Tsukuyomi going. This is an interesting thematic element. In Madara's eyes, every person would wish to donate their chakra/life force to sustain the perfect world of peace, love, and victors, the Infinite Tsukuyomi thus involves the collective effort of humankind applied to the greater good, for a better world. This is on the surface the same goal Naruto has, but we know Madara is in the wrong (or is supposed to be) because he's not only creating a simulated world of peace instead of a real one, he's doing that by highjacking people's free will. He's not convincing the world to work together, he's imposing peace by force. This will be echoed later when Naruto and Sasuke clash their ideals at the Valley of the End. Either do that or get rid of the Divine Deep Forest Emergence. Or Madara could have used that to protect the people from the fight that is about to ensue, that's also cool. The idea is that, once the fight is over, illusion would merge with reality, the mind would merge with the senses, as if everyone is hallucinating. They'd be in an awaken dream, or hypnosis. The only apparent problem is what to do with loved ones who have died, for example Neji. Either Lee and Tenten think Neji is still alive, the dream/hallucination aspect of the jutsu filling in his absence in the real world, or they just delete him from their minds so they are unable to suffer his loss. In this state, people would live their lives in peace in the real world, thus also being able to reproduce, while also being bound to the world of perfect dreams, or in this case the world of waken dreams, I suppose. But for that dream to come true, Madara has to defeat all remaining opposition, Naruto and Sasuke have to either die or be put under the illusion as well. Then we can have the climatic final battle of the war. We could keep Obito alive so that we have DMS Kakashi later, or Obito, Kakashi, and Sakura are also put under the Genjutsu. If anything, it's interesting that Madara is keeping his promise, sort of, to Obito, as he would go into the dream and reunite with Rin and Minato, and every event following his "death" under the rocks would be deleted from his memory, he could even become Hokage. On the other hand, I like that Kakashi and Sakura help out in the fight against Kaguya, and they defeat her as Team 7. Although they're not the protagonists, they are core characters and it feels wrong shoving them to the side again for Naruto's and Sasuke's sake. Obito can regret his life decisions and with the help of Naruto's and Kakashi's Talk no Jutsu finally see through Madara's brainwashing. He can die protecting Naruto and give Kakashi what's left of his chakra/soul, just remove the "Obito was the coolest guy" line, or write it in a better way, since we know that what Naruto meant by that was that the old Obito who wanted to become Hokage and who chose to save his friends rather than sticking to the rules was the coolest guy, and the Obito who just sacrificed himself was reconnecting with his old self, the version of him that used to make Rin proud. Also, Obito betraying Madara and choosing to believe in Naruto's way is a nice parallel to the time Nagato "betrayed" Obito. Obito was curious why Nagato and Konan had betrayed him, he even asked that to Konan herself, but only now he finally understands it. You could have him say something along the lines of "Now I understand why Nagato betrayed me... Naruto, you better become Hokage!" or leave it implicit. So I'd have Team 7 + Obito resist the Infinite Tsukuyomi. I guess Black Zetsu can merge with Madara (in this rewrite he actually is a manifestation of his will) and leave Obito to be captured by the Infinite Tsukuyomi (as the chakra connection would keep him alive. Maybe also have Madara say something along the lines of "I'll keep my promise even to a traitor like you" as Black Zetsu leaves his body and enters Madara's). Then Madara goes up to the sky, rains down the meteors to distract Naruto and Sasuke, and casts the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Sasuke shields Naruto, Kakashi, Sakura and Obito with his Susano'o. While they wait the light out, Naruto manages to heal Obito with the Yinyang elemental transformation (like the other reality-altering abilities such as Izanagi and Creation of All Things), although he does it with an instinctive, not intellectual, understanding. As in the canon, he still can't explain how he healed Obito or how he regenerated Kakashi's eye. In this version of the story this is the first time Naruto saves someone's life with the Six Paths powers, because I think Guy should have died. Then Naruto and Sasuke fight Madara with Obito, Sakura and Kakashi providing support when and in the way they can. Obito dies, DMS Kakashi happens, and they use teamwork to defeat a foe stronger than themselves, as Team 7 together is more than the sum of its parts. Madara has the bijuu extracted and the Gedou Mazou is either sealed away (in the other dimension? Because two moons could look goofy/weird. In this case Madara can use Ame-no-Minaka) or destroyed. Madara has his final conversation with Hashirama, admits his defeat, but dies without exactly believing in Naruto's/Hashirama's way (he has to be immune to Talk no Jutsu), but since he failed all he can do is to hope Hashirama was right all along. But I want him to die not knowing whether his way was the better one or not, nor whether true peace and understanting is truly possible; he has to remain skeptical and die with that uncertainty of the future of the world now that he (the savior who had found a way to achieve peace) has failed. Then we have Naruto vs Sasuke, the conclusion being the same as in canon, Sasuke is imprisoned and then released (killing him would only feed the cycle of hatred. Naruto can say to people wanting his execution, like the Raikage, that he had understood some time ago that if Sasuke died, he would die with him (implying they would need to kill Naruto first, which is impossible at this point)). Maybe he still leaves the village, Naruto finally returning his headband, but maybe have him not be an a*hole and take Sakura with him. Naruto becomes Hokage and Sasuke, having had his wandering atonement, acts as the "Shadow Hokage" or just a co-ruler of the Leaf, as it should have been back then with Madara and Hashirama. This also fixes Hagoromo's mistake of choosing one of his sons over the other and undoes the divide he created. Then it's up to Naruto and Sasuke to work towards world peace and prove Madara wrong, showing the true meaning of Hagoromo's words: "When two opposite forces come together, true happiness can be achieved". And a sequel should depict this political and ideological struggle, but it's very hard to prove Madara wrong without excessive shonen hopefulness, so it's better to leave it open, as the goal we should strive for, instead of trying and failing to write/show how it would actually work (since neither Madara, Minato, Kishimoto himself nor any of us have that answer irl). This means that Boruto, Himawari, and Sarada can still appear in the last chapter, but the story ends there. Dattebayo!

[@giannixx]

And then this rewrite receives a high-quality, filler-free, uncensored anime adaptation. Although _that_ would only happen in a world of perfect dreams.

[@scarecrowvikingstar8361]

Oh, you cooked here! 🔥

[@giannixx]

@@scarecrowvikingstar8361 Thanks bro!

[@arsenaldu77]

Awesome rewriting. But you forgot to add at the end that all of that was in fact an illusion from Infinite Tsukuyomi, and Madara won at the time he launched the ultimate jutsu.

[@Santirridax]

BRO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I SEE A FULL FAN STORY, THIS IS SO GREAT BRO, YOU COOKED SO GOOD

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke Six Paths powers and they still couldn't stop Madara.

[@lugus9261]

Except they were boxing him no diff

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

@@lugus9261 even though they were no diffing him. Madara lost 70 freaking braincells after getting the ten tails

[@TheGhostNinjaXD1]

​@@gladiatorgaming7979I think it's genetic because it happens to both Sasuke and Obito too

[@brysonbender7715]

@@TheGhostNinjaXD1 you mean obito only

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

@@TheGhostNinjaXD1 yeah. Sasuke went from good battleIQ/IQ to freaking lunging at kaguyas attack an example is Sasuke vs Deidara. Sasuke isn't Shikamaru level but also isn't lunging at an attack from a freaking alien.

[@John-jc3ty]

a true cannon treason would be black zetsu trying to stab madara and not being able to while breaking his hand in the process

[@thejongshow8821]

Madara should have been the final villain. Him as ten tails madara was dope and needed more time. Having him packed up by black zetsu ruined everything

[@kyotaiken]

On what planet is 10 tails Madara green? All I see is pale ass gray or off white.

[@DygoKnight]

he's green in the anime, that's just a fact

[@anvos658]

Personally as well I always thought those greenish bits during the light of the Sharingan reflecting off the moon was just poor lighting effects

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

He’s definitely grey/off white, I don’t know where DygoKnight got green from

[@wolfofwarframe3807]

Finally someone with eyes, he is grey as hell, so is Obito. There are some exagarrated shots in the anime that makes them seem green, but its just a matter of shadows.

[@lordinfernape4753]

Nah u trippin, 10 Tails Madara actually looks sick

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

😂😂😂

[@1Silxnt]

Fr

[@kubanrhs1310]

@@1Silxnt ew

[@NoobBruhh-vu6sj]

Finally after tyn years or something someone said something about the design of madara 10 tails jinjurki

[@collinleivas9605]

Definitely agree that more of Madara’s abilities should have been shown.

[@_project_uchiha_]

Imo he got done dirty, he was literally stabbed by both black zetsu and obito who at that point of the story shouldn’t even be able to withstand madara’s presence i feel he got scammed by the way he died btw love your vids

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

Honestly. Madaras drip would be so freaking cool if his battle gear turned like the SO6Ps color but not clothes

[@wisequigon]

no, his battle gear was also weak. lazy design.

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

@@wisequigon it's not about being weak. Im Talking design wise. It would look hella dope if he had the white and black colors on his armor.

[@UNKNOWNL3G3ND]

The Kaguya advocates would spout all that nonsense but won't be able to explain how Kaguya was needed and why Kishimoto threw away his decade worth of planning and writing for a character that lives for less than 10 chapters. Nor can they explain the power scalling as well. Like no lil bro, even an arrogant Madara would have slapped the hell out of Zetsu (inferior to Obito who interacted with Madara and had the Rinnegan and was running away for his life). Even if him stabbing somehow was restricting Madara, he could have still got away by many possible methods. Let's not forget that Madara stated that he used ninjutsu (Yin & Yang release) to CREATE Black & White zetsu. What the hell did he do if both of them already existed for centuries, not to mention he also created a black staff for Obito (that also contained his will), but he DIDN'T find any difference? Absolutely ridiculous... Kishimoto got forced into milking his franchise and had to come up with a way for Shueisha & Jump to keep making money.

[@maxm7399]

So true. His fight with Naruto and Susuke was sadly forgettable.

[@collinleivas9605]

I wouldn't say forgettable, but it definitely isn't a top fight which is a shame because it is his final fight.

[@JohnMezzo]

The damage from Guy going 8 gates should have been what made Zetsu have to take over Madara's body. Some other details would have to be rearranged as well, but that would've been better than Kishimoto literally stabbing Madara in the back to get rid of him.

[@livinnrgyt5084]

2:20 Id argue that since Madara was in fact the exact opposite of what the Sage of 6 Paths wanted the world to be. He should have kept his Armor. A Sage brings peace, but Madara brought War.

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

Madara would have brought peace if people didn't fight him. Madara never would have fought anyone if they let him cast infinite Tsukiyomi. They brought it on themselves

[@livinnrgyt5084]

@@Christo_Trismegistus Infinite Tsukiyomi is a contradiction in itself. He wanted no more War, no more death, no more victors or losers and yet by casting it he would be casting people under an endless cycle of Victory and suffering. An endless cycle of a dream where your body fights for reality and imagination. And one giant coffin. The world itself. He wasn't bringing peace. He was bringing a false reality. He was bringing true suffering. It's told multiple times that this way of logic is not right. It's artificial. By multiple Characters. Jaraiya Kakashi Hashirama And in the light novels there are a great deal number of people that want to go back to the infinite tsukiyomi because they were introduced to it. And are now once again suffering because of it. Their life isn't perfect like it was in their dream. And thus Madara did exactly what he didn't ever want to do. Bring pain. The lesson of Naruto is that with Hardwork. Your life can change for the better, there is no easy way out. That's the entire premise. The Eye of the moon plan is that easy way out.

[@EL_Gaming935]

I think your color blind my guy, he doesn't look green in ANY of those examples!.. even when he cast infin tsukuyomi. and his "Bath robe" actually looks pretty badass! Cause yea, it/he is supposed to be a representation of the sage of six paths. They can't just reuse the same robes for EVERY CHARACTER that obtains that level of power! The only problem with ten tails madara is zetsu... and arguably the "tiara" it does look a lil funky, and prolly not needed. He could of just absorbed ten tails and already had the eye on his forehead, but it kinda fits with the fit.

[@marmur2909]

First thing I agree with you on. Ten Tails Madara was such a downgrade in design and his personality as well. As an Edo and pre Ten Tails, he's cool and collected and savage, able to make quick decisions and just overall a mad powerhouse. But after he becomes Jubidara, the charm he had before just disappears. As Jubidara he goes on and on about being immortal and being the messiah that saves the world. His Edo and alive versions just have that charisma about him that makes you squirm in your seat whenever he does damn near anything. I don't hate Jubidara, he's fine and does what he needs to for the plot, but I stopped caring about anything he said or did when he became the Jinjyuriki

[@Far-iah]

I swear Madara should have put a uno reverse card and use the soul stealing jutsu and Madara will not only know how to use the RinneSharigan cuz of Black Zetsu memories and have the greatest Final Battles in history ending in Madara being Sealed with the Plot of Bourto could have been a group of Madara followers wanting to unseal Madara wanting there dreams

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Madara's Six Paths design was better than Obito's.

[@vert6537]

hell no😂 madara fell off as soon as he became ten tails jinchuriki😂

[@arsenewenger4847]

⁠@@vert6537No he was still cool. He only fell off due to the Zetsu ending. Also his design is infinitely better than Ten Tails Obito.

[@Saintsrow1824]

Indeed, atleast you can tell what Madara is wearing idk wtf was on Obito

[@JustAsh001]

​@@vert6537nah bro was enjoying himself and that drip tho 🔥

[@user-fg3dz5kv7q]

​@@Saintsrow1824 Obito was literally one with the drip

[@aurthurpendragon1015]

7:30 I mean, that is kind of true. Back in the day, Kishimoto himself even admitted that he made Madara too strong and didn't know how to satisfyingly have him be defeated.

[@Asterix958]

I think this was the case for Edo Madara who had both Rinnegan and Perfect Susanoo and Naruto&Sasuke (50% Kyuubi and EMS) doesn't have enough power to defeat EDO Madara. However, powers given bir Ridoku Sennin has no pre-explanation, that's why Kishi can make as strong as he wish.

[@ayhamahmad2277]

You can have guy damageing Madera so much that he can't recover and Naruto and sasuke beat him you don't need to introduce kagua or reincarnation thing

[@collinleivas9605]

There's no statement of Kaguya being replaced because Madara was too strong/couldn't be defeated, he would have beaten with the seals like Kaguya was.

[@hikarimemeirooficial]

Madara lost his drip after turning 10 tails host (not like it was his to being with).

[@quentinjones6877]

Maybe he could've gotten a yin-yang chakra mode

[@WooliteMammoth]

I'd have to push back against the anti power creep line of thinking that it was forecasted. A kaiju battle doesn't hold a candle to the fuckery of the final arc. Jutsus that can absorb everything, complete negation of ninjutsu, ancient gods, ancient wizards giving power, nearly infinite regeneration.....yeah, a giant Fox in the first few episodes isn't even on the same playing field.

[@UNKNOWNL3G3ND]

I think through eye of the moon plan, Madara was also trying to abolish the idea of chakra manipulation and unifying all chakra back. Idk just tryna think of all the details to his plan.. Plus in the end, Obito DID want what Madara wanted. Rin was always a symbol for his character arc, just like how she was the spark for it but not the sole reason. And if Obito was so desperate to plug into the dream world, he could have always pulled that off on his own. Even after getting Kinkaku & Ginkakau, he still didn't revive ten tails. Also it is kind of better for Madara to be the one to do it, it's trusting yourself with the wheel more, especially when Nagato off'd himself and Obito wasn't looking very promising either... And stuff like survival of humans could also not be left to him

[@milkingday8396]

Could 10 tails Madara defeat the whole Avengers MCU easily?

[@JasperDStar]

He would no diff most of the MCU, maybe struggle against Captain Marvel and some of the Eternals But if it were the comic accurate version of those characters, he is cooked

[@DygoKnight]

no diff

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

Im Not a MCU fan but looking at the team I don't think easily but high-extreme diff cuz of superman

[@FrogWalrus]

@@gladiatorgaming7979 Superman isn’t part of the MCU… also most versions of Superman smash Madara

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

@@FrogWalrus then yeah no. Madara no diffs

[@Iron700man]

Madara as the 10 tails Jinchuriki is almost like a different character, an Otsutsuki type character and that is not a compliment. From being the able to beat an entire ninja division with Taijutsu and a meteors finisher he becomes beaten up by a Taijutsu ninja when he is is supposed to be 100 times more powerful than he was as an Edo, plus he himself is a Taijutsu expert who can copy movement just by seeing it with his Sharingan, meaning he should of been able to match Guy in power and speed but instead he lacked strategy and just uses defense instead of countering Guy with an all area attack or trickery, Madara has a variety of jutsu he could of easily dealt with Guy no matter how fast he supposedly was but plot no jutsu nerfed Madara so bad to the point fans think he was just toying with Guy but the truth he simply was outclassed, Kishimoto just wrote Madara incompetent in that fight the same is true when facing Naruto and Sasuke and getting backstabbed by Zetsu. That is why Juubidara is a disappointment. I also agree about the robe, like that literally appeared out of nowhere Madara was shirtless and than he magically created a robe for himself, Obito looked so much better as a 10 tails Jinchuriki inhuman and cool, Madara should of looked similar to Obito but even more monster like.

[@Fictionist10101]

Kaguya's existence is unnecessarily convoluted you mean to tell me she's the mother of the sage of six paths & his brother who are both needed to beat her yet hagoromo's sons are enough to do so? You know what would be cool? If the sage of the six paths was in Kaguya's place i know it stupid but if they wanted a thematic retcon why not making it go full circle?

[@wisequigon]

didn't you see children who become stronger than their parents? happens quite often...If you become a planetary level hero you need a greater than planetary level vilain to keep the challange on... hence the space aliens...

[@1233bobb]

Kaguya was baby-stomping team 7, they only won cause they touched her "once" which was the win condition. Not to be stronger then her

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Madara's weakness was that he had a blind spot like the Hyūga Clan.

[@meraj5393]

Makes no sense.

[@LoganHickman-s6t]

@@meraj5393because madara didn’t see black zetsu attack him from behind

[@申月営無営月無営有申]

Madara ain't a Hyuga Member LMAO

[@willy.1369]

Even in the Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 (PS4), I prefer to use either the reanimated Madara (not reanimation release) or the alive version (not the Black Robe) purely based on the combo movement. Design-wise, both are better than Jubidara, Reanimation Release, or the Black Robe version. 🤝🏼

[@jacobyson7629]

Glad to see someone doesn't like his jinchuriki (forgive me if I spelled that wrong) form. The green is unnecessary and he has that giant ugly thing on his forehead. One of the best parts about madara is his black hair, a sign of a true Uchiha. So changing his hair color was a bad decision imo

[@notkimjongun3752]

absolutely based video!

[@MontiausdemOff]

The whole Kaguya/Black Zetsu plottwist literally made me stop watching the anime when it happened and only years later i rewatched it and actively forced me to watch the last episodes too. It was insanely painful to watch and not only does it REALLY hurt the anime itself, it also sets up the giga garbage plot of boruto, an anime thats a literal disgrace to how great the naruto story is.

[@christianastorga4555]

Six Paths Madara design is not good? Bruh it looks badass imo

[@danielpaladinthesage78bail11]

Have him absorb the Divine Trees' stump. And he'll be more powerful than ever.

[@marcosgabriel2087]

me as a colorblind, never realized they were green, I always thought they were white

[@reggiecarter6082]

Same 😭

[@maybemints]

They aren't green just a subtle light almost white mint

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

I thought you were black

[@dralx2042]

3:49 Hey, don't disrespect my goat Green Goblin😤

[@nedeemmalik]

Nah dygo rlly yapped ab how the most raw drip in the entire show is ugly and green💀 juubidara and even juubito look sooooooooooo fucking cool

[@yarriahgraves4334]

Fr

[@moshehhubbard756]

It's called being nerfed. Juubito did more than Madara as a Juubi Jinchuuriki

[@RockingGuide]

I knew people who were so obsessed with naruto and would constantly shove down everyone's throat how it was the best of the big three. The minute black zetsu killed madra they got all quiet. So many goofed on them it was so fun. Then the hate died down and they came back...

[@SkiddyOcean117]

I do completely agree that (of course kaguya/black zetsu shouldn't have happened) since madara should've been the final villain, they should've given him way more jutsu and he should've shown that he was objectively beyond naruto and sasuke when they received their amps. it kinda pisses me off seeing people claim that naruto and sasuke solo were both stronger in the final valley than Jubidara when he was literally supposed to be the strongest character in the series along side the sage of the six paths. The fight that we didn't get should've been something on the level of the greatest anime fights that you can think of. It should've been a fight with extremely high battle IQ on both sides throwing insane jutsu all around and crazy cool combos from naruto and sasuke while madara out classes them both making it a very competitive fight. Would've been cool to see it like Naruto and Sasuke vs Momoshiki for the taijutsu in the fight while combining all their abilities to make it even cooler. (you should make a video on this creating what would've been one of the top fights in naruto in detail) Realistically the fight should've been many chapters long and for the sake of keeping it similar they could definitely add the obito death part where madara kills him which would've been great symbolism for madaras character, and kakashis DMS amp. Maybe add a side fight where Obito(black zetsu possessed) fights kakashi and sakura where they separate and kill black zetsu and free obito taking the fight to the next stage (this would make sakura useful aswell and we could see kakashi fight without a sharingan draining him). Thats where they would add the dimension stuff as the fight progresses to change it up a bit where sakura could still help like she did in the kaguya fight which would satisfy her as being useful in the fight at least for the sakura fans. The DMS kakashi amp could've definitely made the difference in naruto and sasuke winning which would've at least shown that madara was very close to achieving his goal without an asspull as cool as DMS kakashi.

[@eduardoascanio4309]

I think we need an in depth video about Madara's philosophy And How many characters taken upon solving the "Cycle of Hatred"

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

Boruto the GOAT for breaking the cycle of hatred

[@zeroberseker5036]

I think that people can't express what the real issue is with the "power creep" of naruto, even though there were big feats of power in part 1, they used to have pretty much of variety, by the end the powerful jutsus were just "big ball of energy", when you do it once or twice is great, by the point that bijuu damas were spammed i just started thinking it was a pretty visually lackluster jutsu. Even the rasengan which was only a ball of chakra, it had additional properties that made it more interesting, imagine if madara's meteor was just a big ball of energy

[@Deity_devil]

Nah I disagree 10 tails madara looks cool as hell

[@yarriahgraves4334]

Fr

[@arsenewenger4847]

It’s alright. Much better than Obitos.

[@marlonbarrett9986]

Everyone different

[@aurthurpendragon1015]

5:30 Yeah, they're black and white in the manga. lol

[@sayansengupta-vp3kl]

Bro did you stop reading Boruto manga after that painful Sasuke utreeha chapter? Just wondering you haven't posted a video about the Boruto manga in a long time

[@furiousgamerxz5141]

I don’t mind the Otsutsuki Clan being a thing but I don’t like that they are so stupidly powerful and somehow have many of the same abilities as Shinobi, course I don’t like the Rinne-Sharingan and believe that Hagaromo should have been the first Rinnegan user with Indra being the first Sharingan user than have Hamura be the first Tenseigan user with his children being the first Byakugan user, the Otsutsuki shouldn’t have had any similar abilities as Shinobi

[@mikscz]

I totally agree. I actually didnt see any sense of making Madara even more strong. For me the edo tensei Madara with mokuton and rinnegan was perfect final boss. I hated when he was fighting agaisnt Hashirama and he didnt use any wood or rinnegan jutsu.

[@fielalmanga]

19:24 disinformation on purpose. Naruto was supposed to end with 700 chapters. Kishimoto himself said last month that there would have been no boruto manga if his former assistant wasn't on board with the idea of being the artist. And Kaguya wasn't an alien in the manga, that was only explained in the movies before the Boruto manga.

[@DygoKnight]

Nope, Kishimoto said he wanted to make the manga longer, and Kaguya was obviously included in the story because of Boruto

[@baitreview]

7:58 Such a terrible argument. That water dragon just barely managed to take down Zabuza, caused enough destruction to maybe take down a few houses. A sanin a the hokage had an entire fight that was confined to a single roof. The largest scale fight we saw in the original series was a three way deadlock, and that doesn't even compare to even early Shippuden. Sure, the powers of the Nine tails is revealed early on, but by the war arc, the nine tails lowkey gets bodied by most characters. Madara in base form while blind solos all tailed beasts at once. To say that the power creep in Naruto isn't absolutely awful is such a failure in reading comprehension. And I thought One Piece fans were illiterate

[@BaconMinion]

A perfect dream where everybody is happy as a means of saving humanity doesn't have to include, ya know, humanity reproducing or living forever. It just means giving them a perfect existence for as long as they still live. Those who wanted kids could still have them in the dream, and they could die happy and fulfilled in the dream. They could then die in reality.

[@DogOfWar64]

Ya but that was always a really dumb plan. Giving everyone that is currently alive a happy dream existence at the cost of human extinction is not a good deal.

[@Frikiman_H]

At this point I basically take these Naruto criticism video essays as rewrite spoilers.

[@petruraciula9056]

Kaguya is the best thing to happen to fictional writing PERIOD! She is the epitome of genius writing from The Tale of Genji up until now.

[@ghostdavo3486]

does this guy even like Naruto as a series at this point?Like EVERY vid I see of him is just complaining or calling things trash... Why are Naruto youtubers lowkey haters of their own show (that Nick guy does this too and he spread so much negativity through often times genuinely presenting things the wrong way and Millions believe these big youtubers). I don't see other fandoms do this, I mean look at One Piece creators making all these great theories and hyping their show up... Man I hate the Naruto fandom with a passion.

[@DygoKnight]

did you watch 5 seconds of the video? you wouldn't be making that imbecilic question if you did

[@dethnite-pv2hh]

its called giving feedback and not glazing the show every second like the one piece fans do

[@ttf1298]

It’s not feedback lol, it’s criticism. Some is very warranted but some just feels like salt A lot of salt

[@dethnite-pv2hh]

@@ttf1298 your true i accidently said feedback instead of criticism but the main point of my comment is to say that one piece fans act like one piece is the best thing ever and has no flaws

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

Well this show as great as it is has a lot of flaws. Manga is much better

[@shaulthecat6260]

Do a video abaut every single ability madara can use abd explain each power up hr gets please I think it would be very interesting to watch

[@ItachiUchiha_1724]

I still like hagoromo and kaguya Becuase without them 1. Chakra has no real explanation (besides energy of physical and spiritual forces) 2. dojutsu would be weird with no explaination (not fully understood now yes but we have an origin) 3.Ninja have no begining (becuase there is regular people and people who have chakra and that was never explained) The execution was terrible though Me personally Reincarnation aspect ruins a lot of things It makes naruto and sasuke at minimum 25% otsutuski Wich causes problems in world Hagoromo gave naruto and sasuke 50% of his powers and abilities including chakra (Everything execpt yin yang release wich hagoromo used to give himself back all of his power and abilities) Chakra again is physical and spirutual forces Naruto and sasuke are 50% otsutsuki They still have this as well (Madara has the ten tails Wich outclasses all the tailed beast But naruto having 50% of hagoromo's chakra pool and his powers and abilities Matched madara meaning a full power haoromo is almost double madara) And this translates over because naruto and sasuke are at their peaks This is problamatic with borito and some stuff from shippuden Naruto and sasuke are basically otsutsuki Infinite tsukuyomi wont work On them and damn near anything else It makes borito retarded

[@sketchstevens5859]

Disagree. Part 1 Ninetales was a giant fox that's why it was a huge threat. We saw that summons could somewhat tango with tailed beasts. Other giant animals. I'll say this, one of the coolest moments was Team 7 using their boss summons. And these were creatures with their own wills. But the Magenta hair was there because Haguromo also had the same deal. Honestly, Madara as a Jinchuriki could've been cool if it wae a combo of him and the Ten Tails or a Gedo Statue design. One issue i always had with part 2... All jinchuriki that weren't Gaara had red chakra cloaks forms like Naruto, instead of their partial transformations being their chakra cloaks. That was another issue i had with Naruto. He has never just passivepy turned into the Kyuubi and looked like Kyuubi since he did that transformation combo with Bunta. Madara having different stages like Naruto and Gaara would've went hard

[@barbershopbible]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if the Jyuubi Jinchuuriki only used TSOs and dojutsu. Would be a good limitation

[@-Beliver-Edits-]

I also hated the design (in anime) of the ten ails Madara, the color was So igly that he looked like Banana milk shake, and they also destroyed his gorgeous hair

[@godlylegacy6395]

With what we know now, Madara's storm release was like Kakashi's purple lightning, only stronger and faster. Madara also wasn't a perfect 10 tails Jinchuricki since Naruto got the Yang half from his Minato before Edo Tensai was born. Black Zetsu was clearly some form of Karma, left by Kaguya who likely gained planatary levels of power due to eating Earth's charka fruit. Madara was impressive for being a incomplete 10 tails jinchuricki but his goal was completed essentially, Zetsu gave him what he wanted and then took that as a chance to get back what was hers, her power 🤷🏾‍♂️💯

[@asteroidccole2447]

Lol calm down with the thumbnail man Naruto has been a work and decades man the thumbnail is pretty harsh

[@Andrei-Kozlov]

Stop the cope war arc is trash

[@dethnite-pv2hh]

@@Andrei-Kozlov the entire war arc?

[@shadowpriest2574]

Is Madara stronger than Kaguya? Her hax abilities are rly strong but yes, I do believe he could have done it. Also, Madara could have been a harder opponent to defeat without being stronger than Kaguya.

[@Iron700man]

Regarding the Infinite tsukuyomi I think while it was never stated, the idea that the jutsu keeps everyone alive forever does make sense after all Infinite is literally in the name, in the original plan before we found out infinite tsukuyomi does not do what Madara believed it to be, he did state it is a neverending dream, it could mean that even if the body dies the mind would continue to exist inside the jutsu caster forever or that the 10 tails never ending chakra and immense life force is enough to keep humanity alive forever, we never got an answer to this question but the thing is it all became irrelevant when Kaguya was introduced and the truth about the jutsu revealed.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Six Paths Madara got bodied by Might Guy and disrespected by both Black Zetsu & Kishimoto.

[@nousername636]

Guy would've gotten bodied by a Limbo clone if Madara was serious instead of screwing around

[@undeade.t7044]

didn't we read the same story ? last time i checked Madara survived Guy's attack regenerated and procced to almost kill him with a truth seeking orb.

[@vert6537]

​@@undeade.t7044survied but got kicked in half😂

[@undeade.t7044]

​@@vert6537and ? he was still alive and regenerated that damage completely Guy achieved nothing and had be saved by Naruto hes a bum just like that loser of student Lee who never won a fight in his life

[@anvos658]

Well the fight against Guy you can easily write off as just Madara was having fun while he waited, since yeah if he was fighting seriously he would make use of having all releases and just turn the battlefield into something like quicksand so going faster would just make Guy sink, and then terraform again into something deadly like lava or just reharden it. This is without even considering just stacking his limbo clones around himself or trapping Guy in a genjutsu. Hell we know 8th Gate is survivable even by normal jonin+ tier ninja, if they fight smart, since 1-3 of the 7 Swordsmen survived his father using it.

[@atmosrykorskyuubi3810]

I just wish we had a full fight against madara when naruto and Sas got the power up then after bring kaug after da war arc

[@ArteaPT]

just got this idea... perhaps Obito and Madara was green due to Hashirama's Cells and the Green is from "Wood Nature Chakra" ? just thought that because both used White Zetsu and also had implanted Hashirama's Cells... is this idea makes any sense, @DygoKnight ?

[@ItsRancio]

Before the 2 rinnegan madara feels pretty underwhelming honestly: -he gets stabbed by obito -he is slow enough to where half dead obito can faze through him -he cant stop obito from going to the kamui dimension - his lightning attacks are puny as hell for someone who has the ten tails

[@douaeouafik4487]

1_ Madara states that obito still had some six path power that’s why he could stab him and steal some chakra from him and you can see that madara was unfazed by that so he didn’t really care _ obito dematerialisation is instant no one can really out speed it _ it’s sated that obito’s kamui transfer speed is slower than Madara’s attack but with the help of kakashi he double speed up things

[@ItsRancio]

@@douaeouafik4487 all of these things can be debunked from the fact ten tails madara should be so fast they shouldnt even see him coming, incomplete jubito just speedblizted naruto and sasuke cuz they werent acustumed to his speed, madara is a lot stronger than that, LOWBALLING it would be some v2 raikage vs ms sasuke kinda thing where they can barely see him coming

[@dralx2042]

1:18 I mean, i don't HATE the design, but i see where you're coming from

[@sanhexx]

While I like Madara as a whole, I would rather see his unique mangekyo sharingan abilities. Casually, without any drawbacks sumonning big meteores from space which are larger than the planetary devastation and immense chakra avatar which shrinks any summons and tailed beasts I consider a simple, cheap and less interesting representation of power, same as mangekyo sharingan being eternal hence using it without its drawbacks. As a result the plot snowballed into Naruto and Sasuke having a chance to defeat Madara only thanks to the Sage, literal god. Because of this powerscalling there is a little place for characters like Kakashi and Sakura and no place for a character like Shikamaru in a fight. Yes, I dislike that sharingan went from being able to predict, mimic attacks and some individual abilities to so called "visual prowess" absurd with megazords for some reason (chakra avatar would fit Hyuga much more actually) and basically to whatever the plot needed to do. But at least Itachi and Sasuke's non full bodied susanoo looked more original and interesting, than the perfect one and its size should've been the maximum, at least. Besides, watching Pain as the rinnegan user was much more engaging than Madara. And while I never liked huge creatures fighting I can accept a huge toad which is an independant creature that one can sign a contract with and a tailed beast which is an uncontrollable force of nature (which can also be tamed by only Uchiha, as always), but not yet another Uchiha's unbeatable jutsu that shrinks everyone. The only reason Hashirama, Naruto and Sasuke would be able to summon megazords is to rival Madara's perfect susanoo which shouldn't have been existed in the first place.

[@ivanbluecool]

Sure he's stronger alive but honestly I'd be way more happy In Edo mode if I can break free from the user. Unlimited chakra plus basically immortality

[@davigraciotto7893]

I saw your comment on the Datena x Pablo Marçal video, you're a legend

[@demetriusluis2]

Nagato should be the final villain

[@DygoKnight]

absolutely not

[@wolfofwarframe3807]

Always Madara.

[@magentafang9080]

A lot of people criticize Madara I'm interested :)

[@rialyandriamiseza9814]

Why did Juubidara use Limbo when it's less impressive and less helpful than the Perfect Susanoo. He basically became another character in terms of abilities.

[@DogOfWar64]

Black Zetzu is most OP character in verse. He can say the N word. No wonder he one shots ten tails Madara.

[@TochiIguh]

Dygo knight i will not lie i thought u were a Naruto hater But ur a true fan

[@devontewilson791]

meat riding

[@jemdejager]

I never realised Madara was green. Looked like an off-white to me. I don’t mind it

[@jemdejager]

They should be white though…

[@gera4130]

"Green" is literally whole 4th shinobi war. Not just madara.

[@devontewilson791]

wow ....just because dyogo knight says is ten tails madara is bad means it's bad

[@Arcadia_warlic]

The cloak is a haori, traditional Japanese associated with the sort of authority Madara is trying to express, fitting for his false messiah God Complex... Hagoromo was introduced in the Pain arc, so almost more of the story exists with them, than without. Naruto had the faux horns first with Kyūbi Mode. Obviously would not fit for him to grow horns, but it was fairly obvious they were meant to be literal for the sage himself. They were very pronounced, solid, even in the outline when he face the Jūbi. Hagoromo's hair is similar in colouration to Hagoromo. Fitting. The Third Eye is the ultimate sign of transcendence. Even Tsunade's mark is meant to allude to it. Madara is not actually shooting lightning. It is Yin Release. His power over illusions is so potent he can make illusory bolts that have an actual tangible effect, sort of like Tayuya's thralls or possibly even the Susanoo itself. Mob rule does not indicate the truth. Madara was always going to lose by being stabbed in the back. This was apparent from his introduction, especially after Hashirama's flashback. Not only can Zetsu completely eliminate his chakra signature, so Madara could not sense him, but even if he could not, Madara would have no reason to think his own will would betray him. That is the point. In traditional stage-plays, the stage-hands, dressed all in black, did nothing but move props, except sometimes, they would become a part of the narrative and reveal the were shinobi by stabbing someone. In other words, one does not know if it is just a helper or a shinobi until one is already stabbed in the back. This is likely the concept that Black Zetsu was based off of since the very beginning. Kaguya was not introduced to facilitate Boruto; there being a long-running Boruto series was not even planned out yet by the time Kaguya was introduced. Her revival also does not undermine Madara as it was the entire point that Madara would fail. There is no indication the wrapping is temporary. This seems like it was the plan altogether. It was complete, and nothing more to do but stop Team 7. Just the husk of the Jūbi kept him alive, so Madara obviously could pump more into the tree and keep everyone alive forever. Obito was not going to escape into the Infinite Tsukuyomi. The caster of the jutsu is the only one that will never enter the dream. After setting the ever-lasting dream, Obito was probably going to kill himself. Obito saw Team Minato because that is at the core of his person. It was not just Rin. Madara was always the one with the undue saviour complex. That is his character. To want some other motivation would be to just want a different character.

[@frankunodostres473]

I think there is a way to rewrite the zetsu betrayal and make it work. like have zetsu already conjure up some of kaguya's power or even better have kaguya control and speak through zetsu (similar to how kabuto was talking through muu when madara was first revived). because by all means, 10 tails madara should survive a stab through his chest by a featless zetsu. look what he survived in the fight against guy. or let the infinite tsukuyomi take all his chakra and leave him severely weakened or smth

[@wisequigon]

nah, just find a way to defeat Madara, then when he is about to die Zetsu comes and combines with the body reviving Kaguya, simple as that...

[@frankunodostres473]

@@wisequigon I like that. I'm just making an argument for if they REALLY wanted to have the zetsu betrayal, it could've worked with better writing

[@Nunofyadangbisnes]

I think just keeping his rinne rebirth design, and replacing both of his rinnegan with rinnesharingan would’ve been much cooler than the big forehead eye lol.

[@franklynjackson7359]

Of course you can't take green seriously if you've never touched anything green ... ... ... But seriously, yeah, Madara completely lost his aura after becoming jinchuriki.