Why A Gay, Black Civil Rights Hero Opposed Affirmative Action | NYT Opinion

[@TheThundercow]

Bayard Rustin did not fight for civil rights because he was black, he did so because he was human. RIP a great thinker

[@Liquidskwid]

Very true, and long live King Gizz.

[@georgeboehringer5530]

You are honoring a homosexual pervert and a communist

[@peterrogers565]

@@georgeboehringer5530 yup! And it's fantastic! Now go crawl back into your hole.

[@doctorsixes8371]

we need more public figures like him now

[@DistantEarlyWarning]

Cyboogie

[@Player-125]

Please, NYT, create more balanced and challenging content like this. Someone has to grab the courageous journalistic baton. Do it!

[@grgryocean]

NYT also has Bari Weiss who's pretty "controversial" and "ballsy" for being a fairly balanced moderate. A lot of leftists hate her actually.

[@willm1019]

@@ezwar99 well validating someones opinion is fine whether its mine or not. But its clear that the larger percent of CNN's journalist lean left, even though I am liberal, its pretty obvious. They also use loaded language constantly which use to be reserved for tabloids and fox news. So its pretty reasonable to be excited for more conservative views of current social discussion. Why can't we relax about things sometimes.

[@jobradovich_0133]

ezwar99 No, I fundamentally disagree with Rustin on many issues. However, this presentation of views means that I can have a cordial conversation with someone about how to better as opposed to a race-baiting political battle. In much of the leftist space, because I am white, my opinion is fundamentally not as valuable. Isn’t suppressing the thoughts and feelings of one group what got us to slavery in the first place?

[@andreilyas1426]

@@willm1019 Yeah cause conservative news medias show balanced liberal side of the story all the time.

[@Mrrandomthingsish]

ezwar99 its balancing because mainstream media typically forces a false, liberal agenda.

[@tfgirard]

I'm totally impressed that progressive liberal ny times is putting this opinion. Props to you NY times, happy to see it.

[@EclecticoIconoclasta]

Well yeah. NYT is a liberal publication which is talking about the thoughts of a socialist. The liberals want to keep the neoliberal free market economy and they do public relations for it with anti-racist and anti-homofobia stuff. Rustin is clearly someone who is againts identity politics that protects neoliberal free market dogma which both republicans and the corporate liberal centrist democrats share

[@michaelparsons3007]

The young man narrating the video is Coleman Hughes. I suggest giving him a follow on Twitter and checking out his writing if you liked this topic.

[@dennispraegman3144]

Do you understand how editorials work?

[@jaysanders2707]

There's always an agenda

[@tightywhitey9779]

I’m honestly shook that the NYT even considered posting this. This is what conservatives have been saying for a long time. I hope the NYT can continue to expose the lefts systematic BS

[@milton5417]

Considering the current political and cultural climate, this was a very refreshing piece. Thank you NYT and God bless you all.

[@fdg92]

More so in June 2020

[@apathyguy8338]

Sad I've never heard of this man before today.

[@mmclaurin8035]

Look Up Thomas Sowell. If he was a liberal he would be considered one of the greatest minds in American history, the color of his skin notwithstanding.

[@Facts-Over-Feelings]

@@mmclaurin8035 A RACIST WHITE PERSONS HERO IS ALWAYS A BUTT KISSING BLACK PERSON THAT WON'T DEMAND ANYTHING FROM THIS NATION THAT HAS DENIED THEM THERE FULL LIFE, LIBERTY & JUSTICE THERE PEOPLE HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR SINCE 1776..

[@michelleyoung3997]

@@Facts-Over-Feelings true

[@Facts-Over-Feelings]

@@michelleyoung3997 YES INDEED

[@autismobinch135]

Malcolm X also criticized white liberals and so did MLK this wasn’t something exclusive to Bayard

[@giovanninopanderino5235]

Well I'm glad the opinion has about 25 OTHER points of fact then!

[@Niaclan]

No one said they didn’t, Phil, and no one said this was exclusive to Bayard. See 1:53

[@peacheskong2245]

He's homosexual

[@peacheskong2245]

@@rodrigoameixa6792?? Whut

[@xaviercockerton6989]

Yeah but Malcolm X wanted separation between races.

[@nathanseper8738]

Man, Bayard Rustin sounds like a pretty great guy. He was willing to attack prejudice and elitism on all sides of the aisle.

[@namitawali5314]

Some sanity in the chaotic ideologues. Great journalism NYT!

[@namitawali5314]

There is a nuance you missed in this report, I guess..

[@meatsaucez1516]

Blackskinis Amazing forcing reverse racism is not seeking justice for black people or “put responsibilityon whites”. It’s called revenge, which has nothing to do with equality. Don’t spill your racism everywhere under the name of equality.

[@Iyonnasworld]

@@meatsaucez1516 whats wrong with wanting revenge?

[@meatsaucez1516]

@@Iyonnasworld because the people who actually wronged you are either dead or in age care centers. The ones you are supposedly taking revenge on have nothing to do with the crimes themselves other than having been born into the wrong race. So in reality you’re not actually taking revenge, but instead creating new oppression of a whole group of mostly innocent people out of bitterness. It’s valid to feel bitter because of what the status quo has done to minorities in the past, but it’s wrong to do the exact same thing to a whole group of people that mostly had nothing to do with the wrongdoing out of that bitterness. Do you think the status quo didn’t think that they were taking revenge and taking back ‘what’s rightfully theirs’ when they oppressed the minorities? You see, adopting this mentality is how we become trapped in an endless cycle of revenge like a dog chasing its tail - all the while wondering to ourselves why life has to be so difficult. A wiser way would be to seek justice instead of revenge. We should ensure the individual wrongdoers are either dead or punished, the victims compensated, and proper policies put in place to ensure the same systematic oppression can never happen again, and no more.

[@darrenbrown3952]

How did this video slip pass the NYTIMES editor's desk? Maybe they're starting to see the light?

[@igoryegin9531]

Hi Darren, Nope, actually our editor was stoned when some racist bigot uploaded this video. This will not happen next time, we promise. Regards, Igor Yegin, NYT columnist

[@RealBNews]

There is no light. It is a part of history. If you thought this was a hit on blacks of today, you're an unread person. You wouldn't believe in 90% of what Rustin believed.

[@kingkongdingdongXD]

They realised going woke makes them broke.

[@Lin-vh7uv]

@Alex Mack Discrimination based on income? Don't make me laugh. Those with power and wealth most often inherit it, or "earn" it by exploiting others and rewriting the rules by buying our politicians. Without government intervention through regulation, the rich would continue to abuse the lower classes, as they've shown us throughout American history. It's not surprising that the richest among us are devoid of empathy, and care about no one but themselves - how do you think they got rich in the first place? It wasn't by paying their employees a living wage or paying taxes to help build schools and roads. It was by buying politicians to slow down regulation and inflate the corporate bottom line. It was by creating products made to break, and raising prices whenever they know consumers NEED their product. There is a distinction between classes, and it's not as arbitrary as you characterize it to be. Corporations exist for one reason alone - to make MORE money. It doesn't care about you or me, it doesn't care about making the customer happy or its employees happy. The only person it wants to make happy is its stockholders and executives, at all costs, as long as it's "legal" - and if it's not legal, they'll try to make it legal, yet again, through bribery in our government and regulatory capture. It's wrong to say they earned their wealth, or even deserve to keep it, due to the way they've exploited the working class to stay on top. As work gets automated yet prices stay high, you will see the rich get richer, richer, RICHER - and Socialism is the only mechanism that can stop that cycle of exploitation. America will stop seeing the rich as people, just like the rich have stopped seeing the poor as people.

[@Lin-vh7uv]

@Alex Mack I didn't call for violence - I believe they should be jailed, not killed by a mob. And they're hardly innocent. For example, pharmaceutical companies bribed doctors for years to over prescribe painkillers. They paid for false research studies to show that painkillers were nonaddictive, and lobbied to decrease regulation regarding payments to physicians and the scheduling status of painkillers. They continue to lobby against marijuana use, so they can continue making money off addicts. The opioid epidemic kills tens of thousands each year, and most addicts start out with a prescription from their doctor. I believe these companies and executive should be held accountable for their actions and the innumerable deaths they've caused as a DIRECT result of their greed. Does that dehumanize them? Yes - their actions show a callous disregard for all human life. Again, I never called for violence, that's just you projecting. Nut if a poor person caused so much death, they would certainly receive the death penalty. Instead, we see these rich people get off with some fines and minimal jail time. That isn't right, and is a direct result of regulatory capture, leading to laws which are friendly to the rich and brutal to the poor.

[@jimmyhuston7092]

If you wanted Bayard Rustin to not be forgotten you probably should have put his name in the title.

[@anthonymaestas4863]

jimmy huston lol

[@bubbalou6316]

The soul purpose of the video is the legitimacy of ideas, not identity..... you missed the point of the video. Lmao

[@anthonymaestas4863]

Bubba Lou, yes, he is trying to say the man was anti white liberal, which a lot of black activists were at a point in time of their beliefs. he is pushing this somewhat conservative talking points while a majority of his video shows that he was all over the board in politics. he says that he wasn't like the current left socialists, but was an actual socialist because he was against the white liberal. come on, he could have made a video that the grandfather of the great mr king may have been a Republican. he could also make another video of how the civil war was not about slavery because Abraham Lincoln was not necessarily against it if it meant the south seceded. when the truth was that the south seceded because they thought Lincoln was going to end slavery. this guy had really fallen for some propaganda and he will actually spread this misunderstanding to other somewhat educated blacks and whites which should be challanged.

[@joselukas24]

That's why you watch the video...

[@queefnugget2000]

Magazines/videos/blogs often will make the choice to exclude an unknown person's name from the title because it won't contribute to drawing interest and it just takes up extra space that could be used to grab attention. This is why videos on Trump and MLK include their names in the title - the publishers know including them will draw more traffic.

[@brucegrzegorzewski1131]

Diversity is pushed far more than unity. In fact unity dissolves diversity and we become one. Thank you for a wonderful piece and historical value being forgotten.

[@alexn.2901]

We do not become one; we become white. It's at the expense of people of colour.

[@wdhyrhrj4414]

Bhinneka Tunggal Ika : Unity in Diversity (That's the motto of the Republic of Indonesia). Just tryin' to point out that both can exist without dismissing each other.

[@alexn.2901]

@@wdhyrhrj4414 Your country literally commits a genocide against native West Papuans.

[@lindai6988]

Diversity and unity can coexist. Simply addressing we have different experiences doesn’t take away from the fact that we are all human beings.

[@1Dubbelman]

To accept diversity and cultures different from yours, while they accept the ways in which you are different from them, can also create unity. If we want unity without accepting diversity then, by the laws of logic, differences in culture need to be destroyed. You can either say; "We need unity so you have to change" or: "We need unity so we should accept that the fact we're different doesn't mean we're can't be unified".

[@CalumCarlyle]

Excellent piece. Six minutes ago, I'd never heard of this man. Now, I am staunchly glad you've made me aware of him. A real working class hero, and a true antiracist, by the sound of it.

[@Segkee]

This was beautiful. I worry that James Baldwin, although not forgotten like Bayard, is also widely misinterpreted and misrepresented and his words misappropriated and decontextualized to satisfy modern narratives.

[@RaymondtheHon]

fanon as well

[@davidwave4]

The difference between Rustin and Baldwin is that Baldwin was a fiction author, and thus his work is more ripe for re-interpretation. It's easier to recontextualize Baldwin because, like any work of fiction, Baldwin's best works often defy easy interpretation.

[@sano1529]

You guys speak some big words.

[@iansmith8783]

Baldwin was an essayist and critic as well.

[@calohtar]

MY MAN Coleman Hughes! I saw him last year right after he wrote his article about attending Columbia. Gave a great talk at Quillette Circle NYC. Really glad he’s playing in the big leagues now, he deserves it! Such a smart and thoughtful dude.

[@ubberJakerz]

It feels oddly euphoric to see such a mainstream news outlet posting this sort of content.

[@OviLVR8]

I guess he realized fighting racism with racism doesn’t work.

[@chalkywhite2598]

ramms mutter69 anybody with a trump picture doesn't believe in equality

[@jonathanchang1574]

@@chalkywhite2598 "If a bigot says to me the sun is shining, if the sun is shining, I say 'yes the sun is shining'." It doesn't matter if ramms mutter69 believes in equality. The only thing that matters here is whether his remark had merit.

[@chalkywhite2598]

Jonathan Chang hAAAAA that is hilarious you are gonna try to fight me with a qoute from Bayard. So lets do it. Do you know the other half of that qoute? Qoute me the second half of it and tell me what speech is that from. Then tell me his view on Nixon, America and White people during the 1960s. I will wait, Also tell me his views on Black activism after Dr. King was killed and how we felt about the Black Panthers in 1969. Oh yeah and tell me what he said about Riots and Black Power. I can answer all these questions but I want you to answer them. Since you know so much about him

[@MrBannystar]

@@chalkywhite2598 *"anybody with a trump picture doesn't believe in equality "* Anybody as evidently stupid as you doesn't deserve to be able to vote.

[@chalkywhite2598]

MrKunt sooo you know nothing about Bayard by your comment

[@finneye7614]

Excellent video. I have to do some research into Mr.Austin. Thanks NYT!

[@deniseevans7425]

Mr.Rustin.☺

[@dm2060]

Mr. Rustin

[@happyjubilee4021]

Wow, I did not know that this article was written 4 years ago. It’s November 17, 2023, The Netflix special “ Rustin” shows the involvement of the brilliant mind of passionate Civil Rights Leader Mr. Bayard Rustin 1912-1987 Thank you Mr. Bayard Rustin ♥️

[@belowaverageluke1369]

This is the first time that I've seen an open minded video from the NY times... Maybe it's due of the recent set of layoffs that, has cause them to produce more content, that appeals to both sides of the political spectrum.

[@thatbunnyguy]

I am genuinely shocked to see something like this come out of the NYT.

[@lindai6988]

I don’t agree with everything Bayard Rustin may have stood for but I believe he should be remembered for his contributions and ideas like any other civil rights activist.

[@lindai6988]

James Gray how so?

[@Zmargo702]

James Gray yes please explain

[@BigBlack81]

@@Zmargo702 I would love to read this explanation too.

[@Wanderer25]

Same here. I disagree with him on affirmative action and reparations, vehemently. But I respect his courage and intellect.

[@diogenesbarrel7350]

@James Gray Explain

[@lmccahill45]

Thank you for telling his amazing amazing story!

[@Facts-Over-Feelings]

A RACIST WHITE PERSONS HERO IS ALWAYS A BLACK PERSON THAT WON'T DEMAND ANYTHING FROM THIS NATION THAT HAS DENIED THEM THERE FULL LIFE, LIBERTY & JUSTICE THERE PEOPLE HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR SINCE 1776.. THIS IS NOT A GAME OF DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN, THEY ARE BOTH ANTI-BLACK. ITS ABOUT RIGHT VS WRONG.

[@realityismerelyanill]

Excellent piece. I had never heard of Bayard. Thank you for the insight.

[@ndeamonk24]

I can say i simply disagreed with Rustin on some issues. If America intended to address racial inequality (which is at the root of many of it's issues), it would have at some point. Lord knows we have had time. Pointing out an improper response to oppression avoids the central issue and allows cover for those who would look to find any reason whatsoever to deny that issue even exists and resist any change. That was the larger issue then and now. Much respect to a true hero. As a teacher, I gave a lesson on him and how complex he was. One of many great leaders in our ranks who never get acknowledged. And Coleman, it's no true that the left marries socialism with only the black movement. Democratic socialists reject all racism.

[@NicitoStaAna]

If the media was just like this. People/America wouldn't be this polarized. And ironically Trump wouldn't have won.

[@grmpEqweer]

@Paul Boccuti I think he cares about himself much more than anything else.

[@saradanhoff6539]

@Paul Boccuti Umm, actually they did. For decades. For everything from specifically evicting families of color, to arguing for capital punishment for innocent young black men, even after being exonerated for their crimes. The MSM may lie to you, but that doesn't mean the person pointing out how much they lie will tell you the truth. It's one of the oldest tricks there is. Expose the lies of another and your lies will easily be taken as truth.

[@jacobgarcia7918]

It’s rare these days that the New York Times has wholesome content like this.

[@OWXMUSIC]

This was good, and well balanced in delivery.

[@samc6558]

I honestly had never heard of these guys (Hughes and Rustin) before. Hat's off to Hughes for offering a fair take on such an fascinating figure. Hughes is a diamond in the rough when it comes to journalism it would seem

[@gregdubya1993]

More of this. This is the best thing I've seen from NYT in a while.

[@yoonjeongsoo9378]

I am truly thankful for this video because I now have a whole new body of work to read up on. Bayard Rustin. Let me never forget that name.

[@sultanofswing7198]

World upside down. The NY Times.... what?!? pay this man more!!

[@Crenshaw2319]

Wait... this was posted by the NYT?! I never would’ve expected this from them. I’m honestly impressed

[@imakamera798]

God bless this man !!! It’s SO refreshing to hear someone who genuinely opposes racism and injustice instead of masquerading as such while seething in a different shade of bigotry, hatred and intolerance

[@fainitesbarley2245]

Coleman! A coming man I think. Always worth listening to.

[@reaality3860]

For anyone to tell any group of human beings we must lower standards for them to compete is racist and insulting.

[@mrdavidashley6892]

NObody has suggested that. You're perverting it.

[@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69]

Thats why white people are in top colleges and not asians and indians....

[@reaality3860]

@@LegitBacKd00rNiNJa69, Actually, the most educated and prosperous race per person in the USA are Asian Americans.

[@soyboynpc264]

Wow,outstanding video NYT. Never taught id say this but BRAVO

[@DeaPeaJay]

More of this please NYT! Mad props! Conservatives have felt this way for years, only to be called racist because of it.

[@maxpayne892]

Spot on

[@mrdavidashley6892]

Nah, it's because a lot of you are racist.

[@arrow3741]

I take it you must be for universal healthcare and better minimum wages then? Rustin and working class would be glad to hear it.

[@BlanBonco]

​​@@arrow3741as if the right wasnt constantly using the same divisive tactics 24/7 😂 they know how to make us over react and appeal to their base.

[@nyiniamako]

If the shoe fits

[@maxl5920]

Honestly I was surprised that the NYTimes would make something like this but I think we need more of it. Keep making pieces that encourage collaboration rather than disagreement and you might have a new subscriber

[@undertaker66687]

Christopher Hitchens used to make reference to Bayard Rustin many times. Thanks to Coleman Hughes and the NYT for this video. Also, I'm glad to see Coleman doing so well. He's great!

[@michaeldavis2135]

Chris hitchers was for reparations.

[@undertaker66687]

@@michaeldavis2135 Nope.

[@michaeldavis2135]

@@undertaker66687 yes he was proof kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX6xpmV9g91gobM

[@undertaker66687]

@@michaeldavis2135 That's pre 9/11 Hitchens.

[@selftransforming5768]

Woah this man just became my Hero ❤️ Really balanced and grounded ideas on both sides it seems !! For once thank you new york times!

[@mossadagent1576]

Cheers NYT, thanks for opening my eyes on a fascinating figure of the civil rights movement!

[@jackreilly3769]

My favorite video from any news organization yet

[@NicholasTheThorn]

Bravo!!! What a video. I remembering studying him in college and did many papers on him. Ty for sharing his story and wisdom.

[@jaystubbs6041]

I'm so eager to hear what Coleman Hughes does in the future. The courage to speak to unpopular truth and the rigorous pursuit of truth is just GONE lately.

[@mrdavidashley6892]

You're using "truths" a bit loosely.

[@worldshaper1723]

I am a progressive, and I have been noticing this low expectations trend for a while. Great NYT

[@vlad8606]

This is a 180 for NYT. It's like they engaged in an actual act of journalism.

[@ncooty]

@Braulder ... or that you finally recognized good journalism because it reflected your opinions.

[@RihannaIsIluminati]

ncooty Bingo. He’s basically saying “Wow, NYT is doing good journalism because they’re saying things I agree with.”

[@Santodomingopopis]

I couldn’t agree more on his take on white liberals

[@KoruGo]

Exactly. Nearly all of the left that aren't liberals (communists, socialists, anarchists, etc.) hate liberals. Liberals support capitalism despite that capitalism is at fault for nearly all of the bad race relations in the US and around the world.

[@blanco7726]

Paul Boccuti except the communism you’re referring to is not real communism. Communism used to be basically synonym for socialism before Lenin. From then on communist regimes were based on Russian Revolution Communism. Not the same. It’s not communism that killed those millions, it’s the “communist” leaders.

[@blanco7726]

Mandatory Late Term Abortions for All DemoKKKrats mate look at your username you need to get your head sorted out g get a grip

[@grmpEqweer]

@Paul Boccuti Snort. Capitalism is responsible for a lot of wars. Iraq comes to mind. Significant motivating factors of ww2 were capitalist in nature. Capitalism, unregulated, leaves people to starve...see the Irish potato famine. Ireland was producing enough food, but the English took it for profit. For that matter, read up about lassiez-faire capitalism and early factories in the USA. Or the railroads, which killed workers regularly, and then billed the workers' families for the train delays caused by the deaths. Capitalism isn't this innocent thing, sorry. If we invade Venezuela it will be at the behest of the Koch brothers, who have a plant specially for the Venezuelan heavy crude. Note: I'm not purely against capitalism. I'm just honest.

[@diogenesbarrel7350]

@@grmpEqweer And Communism is any better?

[@user-tk3lx5hf5o]

A very rational hero, especially meaningful to be mentioned today. Thank you!

[@ghosty4140]

What I'm getting from this piece is (and I'm saying this in the best way possible, only so that someone can correct me if I'm wrong), is that true equality can only be achieved if people treat each other completely equally?

[@Mrjmaxted0291]

That was MLK's dream. That people would be judged not by their skin but by the content of their character.

[@thatcow86]

Yes. Strangely enough, constantly pointing out differences makes people constantly notice differences.

[@davidlloyd-jones8519]

LOL.. i just sputtered my drink..i cant stop laughing - tooo true

[@MattCommins]

Can't believe I upvoted something from the New York Times.

[@heygirl6386]

Why? They’re just keeping it factual, like usual

[@Speaks4itself]

@@heygirl6386 😂😂 Nope,they've been really bias.

[@MrEdawg74]

@@heygirl6386 wow you're stupid. What a dumb comment, you're clueless. I feel bad for you ☹️

[@mikebro1576]

This can be a slippery slope. I'm a 59yr old black American man, grew up on the tail end of the Civil Rights movement. The comments about not knowing Bayard Ruston we must realize there were thousands who took to the streets, beaten, jailed, killed. The many unnamed heroes deserve a monument on the Washington Mall. Most interesting I find about Baryard, he was a black Quaker! Not that's unique.

[@terria.mccurdy9190]

bayard rustin has been a sort of mentor of mine since i had an opportunity to see a documentary on his life...this was maybe 2 decades ago...i respect him for living his personal & social convictions...i respect him for his gret organizing skills... my experiences, while some similar to bayard rustin, others are significantly different... following, are my 7 pts... 1) my mechanic asked me if i wanted him to fix my car...i said, yes... i asked him, what was wrong with it...? he said, the fuel-air ratio is not rght-there's way too much air...he said, he has to decrease the air in-take, in order for my car to run properly... 2) growing up, the kindergarten teacher would call some students to the board to do math problems... 1 day she had a small model "see-saw" balanced on her desk; using the same amount of small blocks at either end...the the middle she placed a marble that stayed in the middle... she took some blocks off 1 seat & the marble rolled off from the "see -saw"... she ask the class what has to be done so that they could place the marble back in the middle of "see-saw"..."the students exclaimed add the blocks back that u took away or take away the same amount from the other side..." 3) if a new phenomena is not workin & clearly the problem is imbalance & then to dismiss fixing the imbalance, by exclaiming an economical system has never been base on color, is grossly missing the point... prior to this new phenomena of categorizing ppl by a race-based on the melanin content of their skin, it has never been done b-4; so how could anything be based on it... if a system, inherently requires balance or a specific ratio in order to work, then that balance or ratio is essential, no question asked...how balance or the proper ratio is restored, is up to the specific objectives or needs of the community... 4) bayard rustin suggestions are, in effect, still based on melanin content...if the decision makers, distributors, implementers are based on melanin content, there will still be a divide based on melanin content... unless u change the melalnin based decision makers & making, the imbalance will always be there, based on melanin, gender, sexual orientation, age or class-whatever the phenotype or condition... 5) the issue is human nature...some ppl seem to think after almost 6000 yrs, finally mankind is going to get it rght...human beings just need the rght economical system... all modern day economical systems work in theory; according to their proponents...not 1, however; has proven or shown the ability to curtail the fear of scarcity & thus greed of modern day mankind... centralize governments exacerbates this tendency in human nature... 6) the non empire/non kingdom indigenous traditions hv had evidence of long standing sustainability, prosperity overall & with relatively minor physical violence... the principle of, all is for the individual, for the sake of the community, in cooperation with all individuals, is essential... in this, i am not a proponent of "raparations" or "affirmative action"; as they are generally discussed...the whole culture needs to be dismantled & start anew... 7) if we are honest with ourselves, we can look at the ancient & recent events & know without a doubt, we cannot overcome our human nature fear of scarcity, we cannot wisely consult ourselves to recognize our ignorance & we cannot humbly self reflect to abandoned our arrogance... those who sample a little honesty with some humility, might realize that human success will take an otherthan human essence solution...that will take G.O.D./The Generating Omnipotent-scient-present Designer/Determiner & no less... terri a.

[@supervegeta101]

The problem I have with ending AA is that the country isn't based on merit anyway. People wanna get rid of AA but those same white people never mention legacy admissions, or donations, or any of the other non merit based things that are looked at when schools take a holistic approach to admissions.

[@paxuspaine]

Those policies are not race based. In a historical context that might have been their original intent. However, legacy admissions are based on lineage, which indirectly equates to entrenched wealth and privilege, regardless of skin color. It's because of historic prejudice that those policies disproportionately benefit European/Light skinned Americans. They are both forms of discrimination, and bigotry. One is based on race (AA), and the other is based on class (legacy). Why should a person be advantaged when seeking admission because their immediate ancestors were already wealthy enough to attend? It's discrimination based on class. The same with donations that create disparities in the quality of institutions.

[@ncooty]

@supervegeta101 Affirmative action uses race as a surrogate for other concepts (e.g., socio-economic status) when more accurate measures already exist.

[@TheWholeWorld1]

ncooty Again... White Women benefit more from AA than ANY OTHER GROUP!

[@TheRandomBiscuit]

@@ncooty that's not true. Actually, it's illegal. Race quotas are banned, and for good reasons. Thus, the "holistic approach", because it allows for a student to be evaluated by a diverse set of categories. That isn't to say it ignores race, it definitely doesn't. But to say that AA is just race is unfair, to say the least. It does use socio-economic status, but (and I'm about to use a scary word) we need to use intersectionality in this case. We cannot ignore how race, gender, sexuality, etc. affect different classes, and how certain groups disproportionately fall into certain classes. I 100% agree that legacy admissions are class based, and as you yourself pointed out, the consequence of racial bias is historical. Nonetheless, it is exists. But just because legacy admissions are structurally class based does not mean they are in practice. The reason the class issue needs to be examined through an intersectional lens is because we need to understand why certain groups are disproportionately represented in lower or higher income brackets. And only after understanding that there are/have been systemic factors to increase the class divide along racial lines can we see the necessity to include race as a factor. Because policies to fix economic disparity are definitely important, but certain groups don't just have more people than other groups. There's a reason this has happened. Now, affirmative action has its problems. But what I believe the original post meant was that a careful study is warranted, rather than a complete dismantling of Affirmative Action. Because there policies (i.e. the way Harvard, etc. consider Asian students, there have been some very disappointing testimonies) which need to be dealt with. But removing affirmative action means we will not be able to implement further programs to help those in lower socio-economic statuses.

[@ncooty]

@TheRandomBiscuit Executive Order 11146 aligns with CRA 1964(+) and lists the protected classes covered by affirmative action, of which race is one. I did not say it was the only one, nor did I say quotas were the sole or primary mechanism. Please read more carefully. Whatever the harms you imagine AA to address, there are better and more direct measures of their proximal causes than race (usually SES). Although diversity might continue to constitute a "compelling interest" (in the USSC's language), it is no longer sufficiently "narrowly tailored". The benefits that AA advocates claim to seek would be more efficiently influenced by other factors than race. If systemic or institutional racism is the problem, then those mechanisms need to be fixed rather than trying to make it all look better on the back end. If we treat only the symptoms rather than the disease, we'll never be cured of it. If you're still making the same arguments from 50 years ago in favor of AA, then perhaps AA is less effective than you suspect.

[@johnsontian2733]

Intelligent, independent thoughts from NYT, how refreshing! Expect more balanced views like this piece from NYT.

[@thisguydan]

We need a powerful voice of reason like this today. He was a man with wisdom beyond his years. I'll be looking for more of what Coleman Hughes has to say as well. Good content, NYT.

[@sassythesazquatch6879]

I just gained sop much respect for the NYT. Theres a reason I subscribe to BOTH sides instead of just one. This video is going to impact our society greatly.

[@kikin_likin4192]

Wow this was so good, shame it hasn't got the publicity it deserves.

[@Sue-k2w]

A very brave man full of wisdom.

[@shortstacksport]

This is beautiful. It's actually quite shocking that the NYT would allow this to be published.

[@bradpnw1897]

Amen. God bless him 🙏. RIP MR. Rustin❤. Beautiful man

[@peterlinko539]

I cannot believe this was produced by NYT.... very balanced content. Thank you.

[@deoxal7947]

I want to hear what Andrew Klavan's opinion is. He always says, "the New Yory Times, a former newspaper...". Apparently it's a real youtube channel though.

[@jacksonmg1]

I absolutely did not expect this from the NYT, thank you.

[@mediawolf1]

Thank you for bringing Bayard Rustin to our attention. We could use him today.

[@zenlifestyleandmannersshow6892]

Thank you, NYT! This is the journalism we need! I completely agree with Rustin’s views. I have always believed those things, however, never could find a seemingly liberal minority to agree with my views. Rustin is my new role model. Instead of feeling like some “white privileged male,” I feel as if my beliefs are held by other racial groups as well!

[@miguelvillalobos8966]

Such a beautifully articulated commentary and tribute to ol' man Rustin.

[@eveharris30]

It's probably because he speaks english.

[@anthonymaestas4863]

might be articulated well, but fails and just promotes bad propaganda. this commentary is akin to saying that one should register as a Republican today because it was the Democrats of the past that supported state rights of people owning others as property. that the Democrats were the ones who supported segregation. although the statement has some truth. it is missing context of history and time. I am really tired of people spreading this propaganda. it really hurts when i see so many comments agreeing with the many error that are being promoted int this video.

[@punkgrl325]

Anthony Maestas None of that was even in the video. Were we watching the same video? White conservatives get called out far more often on being “racist”, than white liberals ever do - to the point where you can now easily find white liberals who feel justified in speaking on behalf of black people. Meanwhile, if you are black and conservative, you are constantly at risk of being publicly attacked or openly treated like a clown by the media. How is any of that okay? I could care less about republicans and democrats; the world isn’t America, and both parties are completely bought off. All of this surface-level moral posturing and virtue signalling is what’s getting on peoples’ nerves and only causing more division. People all around are just tired of being treated as groups they had no say over being placed in and want to be individuals; why is that so hard to understand?

[@ChristopherPool1]

Coleman is awesome. I have no doubt he will be a great leader.

[@allenwaker1542]

This was the best video I’ve seen in a while actually impressive good work

[@emilyweston8731]

Love Coleman so much ❤️ such a brilliant person. He introduced me to Thomas Sowell and I will be forever grateful

[@mr.advocatusdiaboli1745]

Diversity of people does not mean diversity of thought

[@DavidRichardson28]

Wow. Was never taught any this great leader. One of the most informative videos I've seen in a while. Thank you

[@davidweb2728]

Wow. Great video. What a breath of fresh air. This is how reporting should be. Thank you for the unbiased reporting. Please do more.

[@CountAxel]

Great great piece! Bayard is a local hero here in West Chester, PA!!!!

[@KentoLeoDragon]

Great story! I'm frankly a little shocked NYT would allow this to air.

[@nelsonth]

I am shocked that you were shocked.

[@daniellogan6146]

Notice that when NYT gets attacked, they don't mention specific stories. They've been doing great journalism whether or not the country has been giving them credit for it. And, when they do make a mistake, they own up to it.

[@spudman1734]

There's still hope!!

[@erikkovacs3097]

Someone must have been asleep at the New York Times when this went through.

[@stuffandnonsense8528]

Very heartening to discover someone who I had never heard of who seems to have cared about the truth and also someone now (and the NYT) who are similarly motivated. Thank you.

[@odinsplaygrounds]

I'll admit I had never heard about this guy, and neither do I consider myself a socialist although I'm a moderate left. But he sounds very rational. I'm all in for fighting for labor and class problems rather than dividing it into race. If people are poor and we can try to help them break the vicious cycle of poverty from generation to generation, we can do so regardless of the race of that person.

[@horseradish4046]

If he were still around today, he would be absolutely horrified by how toxic and prevalent identity politics has become.

[@TarlanT]

Wow! Is NYT back to normalcy? To balanced and reasonable views? No more crazy SJW nonsense? Kudos to you guys! I want more of this!

[@savageblack735]

The very man in this video, was a SJW. MLK was a SJW. Jesus Christ was as well.

[@averageyoutubeviewer1790]

Savage BLACK7, did you just call Jesus a SJW? I guess you have the wrong guy...

[@DarthFurie]

Now that I know about this guy, he's one of my idols. I agree with him SO MUCH

[@LordVader1094]

And he was right. Well done NYT, and more specifically, Coleman Hughes, for presenting this video.

[@djconcepplays72]

I’ve been talking about Coleman ever since he was on Sam Harris glad to see him here

[@Sticklemako]

This is why he was ignored by history... He was too much of a principled and pragmatic man

[@arquilli1]

WOW... I cannot believe NYT posted this. Like actually amazing. Coleman Hughes is a powerhouse. I hope we look back in 10 years and cringe when we think back on the grossly misused terms like “identity” and “intersectionality”

[@sem_inspiracao]

President Ronald Reagan issued a statement on Rustin's death: "[He] was denounced by former friends, because he never gave up his conviction that minorities in America could and would succeed based on their individual merit."

[@gododoof]

You're my hero dude. We probably wouldn't agree on everything, but I respect your honest discourse.

[@instaspoof]

Inspiring report! More from Coleman Hughes please!!

[@DiegoMonroyF]

He has a whole lot of great interviews with The Rubin Report and Talking with Bright Minds (I think it's called, it's with a girl as a host). Go check them out, they're brilliant!

[@johnmccormick8159]

You can find more of his writing at Heterodox Academy and at Quillette.

[@meltratics9138]

He was an undercover agent working for the FBI....no hero of mine.

[@lenaartse7652]

Loved hearing about this man's ideas I find a lot of them to resemble mine

[@strahlungsopfer]

This is the single most relevant thing in today's debate. Every American should watch this.

[@jasmitsirah]

Total agree about free speech and civil liberty good vid well done sir

[@Shadowdreamcast]

Wow! This was great! I’m glad NYT is finally showing a non skewed view. If this continue, NYT will have my respect again.

[@BeefWellington1]

Affirmative action is by far one of the most racist things I’ve ever heard

[@dannyjquinn880]

Nice to see Coleman get mainstream coverage. Great to hear a black conservative on NYT in general.

[@bjrnbjrnsson4012]

This is a great video, too bad I missed it during Black History Month.

[@clairetimberlake5892]

Coleman, I love how you so brilliantly think outside the box.

[@DavidJGillCA]

An excellent presentation. Coleman Hughes makes a thoughtful, authoritative impression.

[@hotblackdesiato5159]

Coleman Hughes is legit. I always enjoys his articles and interviews.

[@memofromessex]

A truly brave man. Its too easy to point at others, but it's much harder to rise together.

[@obamna666]

Who in discussing the Ralph Northam blackface case has called for blackface or minstrel shows to be outright banned? There’s a difference between saying something should be legal and saying it’s okay for the Governor of Virginia to do it.

[@PaulEhrman]

Who didn't do dickish things in college/high school? Should youthful stupidity be eternally held against you only if you are of a specific gender, sexual preference, race or social class.

[@quicksilvuhh]

Seriously NYT, please continue with this type of bravery and commitment to truth. I'm honestly lost for words, and I feel so happy that this was allowed. I'm ecstatic!!! Now that we're talking about this issue in truth, we may actually be able to overcome true racism with continued introspection.